On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
The purpose of this post is to ensure that I comply with the "one post every 24 hours" rule. Meanwhile, enjoy some music.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
You even put a caveat into your own analysis. This is basically a policy lynch for BM being retarded. If you want to policy lynch today RoL is a much better option. Bill is being insane, but he's being active and insane. RoL's "Bold proposition" post was awful and sounded forced and his vote on me was equally terrible.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
On May 12 2015 19:48 Palmar wrote: Like if he's mafia what is his endgame nuking a bunch of people and antagonizing a bunch of players (I think he called me, marv and BH mafia all in the same post).
If BM is crazy as town I would expect he would be crazy as mafia as well. Reading the post I quoted don't you think he is misleading people on purpose? Also BM could simply be traitor fucking with the thread on purpose. I think townie is the least probable scenario.
I'd have to confirm this because my memory kinda sucks but BM is basically insane when he's town. when he's mafia he's much more constrained and basically cannot help himself from being right.
Like to me, just the fact that he thinks I'm mafia makes me more skeptical he is.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
You even put a caveat into your own analysis. This is basically a policy lynch for BM being retarded. If you want to policy lynch today RoL is a much better option. Bill is being insane, but he's being active and insane. RoL's "Bold proposition" post was awful and sounded forced and his vote on me was equally terrible.
Bill is insane and I'm very afraid that he ends up being townie, but this particular game I think he is more likely mafia despite being insane for the reasons I explained and you didn't bother telling me why those reasons are wrong. What does RoL has to do with anything? If you recall RoL's town games you will remember the same lvl of lurkiness/terribleness.
On May 12 2015 19:47 Palmar wrote: I don't really think BM is mafia but I haven't read too much up on the game.
Any time frame we should expect the reading to start? I enjoy playing games with you, but not when I can't actually discuss important points with you and get your input.
You're mafia so why do you care?
If you believe so, I want you to tell me why that is. I can't tell if you are trolling/tunneling aimlessly or you actually believe what you are saying.
How is your marv investigation coming along?
Let's say I'm glad BH shot the nuke off. I'm leaning town right now, but not strongly.
On May 12 2015 19:48 Palmar wrote: Like if he's mafia what is his endgame nuking a bunch of people and antagonizing a bunch of players (I think he called me, marv and BH mafia all in the same post).
If BM is crazy as town I would expect he would be crazy as mafia as well. Reading the post I quoted don't you think he is misleading people on purpose? Also BM could simply be traitor fucking with the thread on purpose. I think townie is the least probable scenario.
I'd have to confirm this because my memory kinda sucks but BM is basically insane when he's town. when he's mafia he's much more constrained and basically cannot help himself from being right.
Like to me, just the fact that he thinks I'm mafia makes me more skeptical he is.
If you could dig that up (bill's mafia meta) that would be useful. I know he is insane, but I don't recall he purposely misleading people with his posts as town and that is my whole point.
On May 12 2015 19:52 Palmar wrote: Okay let's ignore you being mafia for a bit.
On May 12 2015 19:34 sandroba wrote: I think we do need to lynch BM today. The bullshit level in his posts is a lot higher than anything I've seen from him. It is still possible that he is town and using a large quantity of drugs but that I cannot account for, and unless someone can confirm him town so he can be safely ignored we will need to deal with him at some point and I would prefer if it was today. One example of the BS he is pushing that I think points to him clearly lying on purpose and not being on drugs is this post:
On May 12 2015 16:22 Bill Murray wrote:
On May 11 2015 10:06 Trfel wrote: Hello.
I'll get to this game in a few hours at the latest. I am sorry for my absence today, I'll be better during the week than on weekends.
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
He is clearly nit picking and ignoring parts of trfel post. trfel states that he is going to be back in a few hours to this game but BM does not bold that part and bolds parts that change the meaning of the post. Also he flat out lies about the time elapsed between the 2 posts, which was 4 hours, not one, in accordance to the part BM chose to overlook in his first post. Conclusion is I think he is doing it on purpose and is mafia for it. ##vote: BM
You even put a caveat into your own analysis. This is basically a policy lynch for BM being retarded. If you want to policy lynch today RoL is a much better option. Bill is being insane, but he's being active and insane. RoL's "Bold proposition" post was awful and sounded forced and his vote on me was equally terrible.
Bill is insane and I'm very afraid that he ends up being townie, but this particular game I think he is more likely mafia despite being insane for the reasons I explained and you didn't bother telling me why those reasons are wrong. What does RoL has to do with anything? If you recall RoL's town games you will remember the same lvl of lurkiness/terribleness.
Sure, and his mafia games too.
The point being RoL is basically a policy lynch (like this BM lynch), although he does have the points I mentioned against him.
Morning everyone, I think i'm right near the cap limit so don't want to make too many posts , just going to update where i'm at and who I would vote on.
Firstly though
On May 12 2015 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote: BH is town probably.
On May 12 2015 02:50 Xatalos wrote: About BM: Never played with him before. His nuke spectacle was basically an anti-town way of using the ability, so it might be necessary to policy lynch him or just Vig him. Typically crazy plays come a bit more often from town than scum so that holds me back from just saying anti-town -> scum.
What a waffley defence that is super weird. I read this and instantly thought of scum asking xata to defend BM and this is what he came up with.
I think this point is really good, this reminds me of the Carols game where I made some awful play as mafia and xatalos made up some waffle to defend me for it, furthermore in that game damdred made a point that xatalos looks more like town when he is mafia, his play this game seems formulaic town.
I think this is a good read from oats and I won't lynch him today.
On May 12 2015 18:58 marvellosity wrote: Seen it been mentioned a few times, but I think BH is a pretty terrible lynch, certainly anyone saving me from a nuke I am not going to vote for today.
Three people who I think are good lynches, other than BM:
Vivax - somehow when I read his posts last night they didn't seem *too* uninteresting. So I was left feeling a little town from it. But in the end, they led nowhere, game has been going on quite a while now, not enough to hang my hat on
Oats - promised GB he'd try properly this game. I don't really remember his posts.
Xatalos - he's boring. that's enough.
I'm not very sure about my earlier Onegu read. I read Onegu + rsoultin arguing last night when I was pretty baked and I couldn't work out what the fuck was going on. Anyone have any bright insights?
I drank a whole bottle of wine last night and was pretty fucked up but I thought that onegu felt town in the exchange, he showed some good buck , the points against him were pretty weak all it amounted to was that he claimed traitor or something stupid like that.
---- I would lynch BM, reading his posts it's just awful I can't really give it a better word. something like 12 hours after his nukes he gives these long winded reasons about how he wants to "generate conversation" in a thread where things were already being talked about, then says how he has this huge burden and wants to make people aware of it.
he looks for a lynch on onegu with this dumb shit
On May 12 2015 06:51 Bill Murray wrote: Onegu is traitor too just need to find 2 more mafia. looking @ xatalos/talkingdead/vivax
yeh onegu claimed traitor ok, and then gives 3 people who are the thread sentiment mafia. posts a load of stuff about onegu
then trefl his mafia, but town for lurking is now mafia again
So Trfel makes excuses "ill be absent" "this post it so ensure that i comply with the one post every 24 hours rule" then he posts a video... cool. really beneficial before this all he had done was harass people
Then I nuke him for behaving like this, which didnt fit how he played last game as town
WITHIN AN HOUR of him "fulfilling his daily post on mothers day", he posts:
On May 11 2015 14:05 Trfel wrote: You're kidding me.
You nuked me for low activity on a weekend, and Mothers' Day?
I really hope you are not town here, because you being town would really kill my motivation to play this game. I mean, if you're going to give the majority of your posts for the first 24 hours away, you really shouldn't be killing me for not playing in a 24 hour period.
And not only that, but he wants to misrepresent what happened He instead attacks me NOT for me nuking him, but wants to lie and come up with some bullshit excuse to basically omgus me
1) he tries to nuke me in return that doesnt work 2) he votes me 3) he then proceeded to ask me if i have any more nukes after unvoting 4) he finds out i have no more nukes 5) he votes me again
this guy isnt enjoyable to play with, and his behavior is self serving and scummy as fuck
a very weak read overall he just seems to bounce around trying to get something to stick that isn't himself.
his nuke play was scummy, taking that out, the rest of his play has been terrible I don't understand how anyone has a townread on him at all and he needs to be removed from the game.
So moving on.
I'd probably lynch BM, Xat, TD,
in that order.
The only thing that gives me pause about lynching BM is that TD has basically pushed that and nothing else. my earlier points on TD still stand and are available to view in my filter. His read on oats is a total fabrication,
On May 12 2015 09:02 TalkingDead wrote: Reposted because it's relevant and people seem to have dropped the idea entirely.
However, the person that I find the most interesting is Oatsmaster. Generally what I've seen from Oatsmaster as town is that he's abrasive and does his own thing. Whereas in this game, he tends to just follow what's going on with thread sentiment. Specifically:
On May 11 2015 08:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Sandros shit seems really planned out and fake.
....
saying oats isn't being abrasive isn't supported by the first line of oat's statement.
So aside from a weak oats read TD has tried to push a lynch on BM and has raised the point that "even if he is town he will just be a pain to hear about"...giving himself an excuse for when BM flips town? you lynch the guy you think is mafia you don't lynch the guy who is town but will be a pain to read about. if you don't want to read about him then you can push discussion elsewhere in the next phase.
The likely scenario for me is that I will listen to palmar, marv and damdred and cast my vote to kill any of my scum reads.
I have other scumreads but not really worth discussing, incidentally where has JAT gone to?
I also want to hear something from bats, just anything really
Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.
Can you give more inputs about this? Let's lynch BH? Would you lynch Oats? What did you make of my answer?
On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.
Can you give more inputs about this? Let's lynch BH? Would you lynch Oats? What did you make of my answer?
dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason.
On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.
Can you give more inputs about this? Let's lynch BH? Would you lynch Oats? What did you make of my answer?
dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason.
Ok lets lynch Xata then.
100% scum. Im not even kidding
I'm not lynching Xata.
Let's lynch BH?
I don't remember lynching you on day one ever.
Also, care to answer my questions? Filter dive me, there is an ordered list of 4 directed to you
On May 12 2015 20:14 GlowingBear wrote: ##Pardon: Bill Murray
Now lynch someone that is scum.
Bye.
@GB did you read my points on BM? The post I quoted you can see he was clearly lieing and misleading town. I don't understand why you would do that or can be sure BM is town.
Here's where I stand for D1 - need to catch up on the last 5-7 pages, but my top lynches right now:
Vivax, Xatalos and from what I've read of Oats I didn't like him either, but I feel less strongly on him than I do the first two.
Onegu I'm pretty torn on based on what I know from his gameplay (though if he's done anything substantial in the last 5-7 pages, surely I've missed it). I was splitting hairs on him as both alignments; I am pretty confident at this stage Ras is town. I saw the post where I may have misinterpreted Rasputin and unless I'm misunderstanding again - whilst he's not using all the points to meta read Ras as scum (particularly her read on him), he's using a few...I'm not sure that makes him mafia.
I don't like BH either, not so much for the anti-nukes or how he used them but for the fact he's doing jack all in respect to scumhunting.
Bats and Stutters are what I would consider (pure) policy lynches.
OWS' filter is sparse but the one thing that jumped out at me (and not in a good way) was his response to Vivax -
On May 12 2015 02:52 Vivax wrote: On my read so far I also had the feeling JAT was mafia but I really had nothing I could justify it with. On the other hand lots of people seem to think the same but I will need to find something tangible on my own.
The nuke business was pretty interesting. Trfel was in the scummish list of BH during N0 and D1 BH didn't really bother to even figure his alignment out before deciding the anti-nuke. He only asked a question but doesn't seem puzzled about whether he should use it or not.
Beautiful.
Back to townpile with you.
Then he posts he'd move him back to the lynch pile if he didn't do more. Can't tell if that's an attempt at blending in, but he didn't seem to look at Vivax as criticially as he should.
On May 12 2015 20:41 GlowingBear wrote: Damdy, you asked me questions, never followed up. You said my read on BH is good, but it didn't change your vote, nor created interest in you to pursue more information on him.
Can you give more inputs about this? Let's lynch BH? Would you lynch Oats? What did you make of my answer?
dude you arent fucking lynching me again day 1 for no reason.
Ok lets lynch Xata then.
100% scum. Im not even kidding
I'm not lynching Xata.
Let's lynch BH?
I don't remember lynching you on day one ever.
Also, care to answer my questions? Filter dive me, there is an ordered list of 4 directed to you
Also, why am I town for you?
How is Xatalos' play any different from the way he played in Carol? You cased him for murky reads amongst other things. He's doing the same thing here. I think I drew a few parallels, Damdred I think did the same somewhere in this thread.
Sandro, your point is okay but you're evaluating it only through a mafia perspective when there is the possibility of a tunneled town there that is eager to focus only on the things that confirms his scumread, like any other tunneled townie. More than that, you can't decide he is mafia for that one single post when his overall gameplay fits a townie perspective much more.
You also said that
now BM is silly but I don't think this point you make makes him more or less mafia. I think a town would like to justify his actions when pressure is on him just as much as a mafia. I don't understand how you are so sure about this. I can understand and share the feeling of wanting to lynch him regardless just so he doesn't get away with this as mafia and I feel like a tard for letting it happen, but having seen BM's town play I deffinitely think it's just as much possible for him to be town in this spot, no matter how absurd his actions and reasons are.
This flip on his read felt very unnatural and opportunistic.
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