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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:33 GMT
#1217
jat I don't think you've really expressed your opinion on Onegu?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:34 GMT
#1218
I can see why you'd want to lynch Vivax instead but I'd still like to see your read.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:43 GMT
#1222
....Are you really deciding your reads before even reading? And those reads are mostly pretty terrible.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:44 GMT
#1223
Screw it let's just lynch Vivax today.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 19:45 GMT
#1224
##Unvote
##Vote Vivax
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:01 GMT
#1229
You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:28 GMT
#1238
On May 13 2015 05:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 04:33 Xatalos wrote:
jat I don't think you've really expressed your opinion on Onegu?

I have no reason to townread him if that's what you want to know.
I would lie if I said that I did not think about his stuff n0 being a traitor claim but it wouldn't be the first time for Onegu to just complain about not rolling scum as town.
His rsoultin read is awful and he doesn't seem to be willing to reconsider. Does that make him scum? Probably not.
I wouldn't mind him dying but I would not lynch a question mark like him over someone who is really obviously scummy like Vivax.


Maybe, but he also included the Traitor bit and afterwards tried to "clear" himself by saying he couldn't be Traitor if he didn't know about the rules. Felt like being weirdly defensive about the issue.

What about the other points I made and his overall apathy?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:30 GMT
#1240
On May 13 2015 05:21 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 05:01 Xatalos wrote:
You haven't really mentioned Vivax Trfel?
He's just being obnoxious. He's capable of playing way better than this as town or as scum.

It's just a policy lynch.


In my experience he just sucks as scum.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:32 GMT
#1243
On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:
BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn

I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp"

There are also too many outlier votes right now.

I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town

##unvote
##Vote: BlazingHand


I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this


You hurt my feelings, marv.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 20:38 GMT
#1246
On May 13 2015 05:34 TalkingDead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 05:32 Xatalos wrote:
On May 13 2015 05:29 marvellosity wrote:
BH could be mafia after all, because he's joined what is a pretty terrible sandroba wagon when what I posted should at least be enough for sandroba not to be lynched today. I don't understand how he can on one hand shoot down a nuke headed for me and then on the other hand completely ignore my fleshed out opinion on sandroba. I said earlier that I wasn't going to lynch someone who shot a nuke coming down on me, but the arguments about his lack of scumreads ---> sheeping this case on sandroba made my read do an about turn

I was leaning town on Palmar as well, but I also don't understand how he can ask me a question about sandroba, get a fuller response than I normally bother to give (apparently i like talking about good players or something) and then say "well, marv said all that but my points still stand herp derp"

There are also too many outlier votes right now.

I dislike Xata a little less than before, but would lynch in a pinch. Still finding it very difficult to believe that Vivax plays like this as town

##unvote
##Vote: BlazingHand


I don't believe BH "buys" Palmar's case. I think Palmar's case on sandroba is at best misguided tunnelly town and BH has been around long enough (and played with sand enough) to be able to at least grapple with this


You hurt my feelings, marv.

Were you hoping to be Marv's lynch of choice?


More about the fact that he didn't like me.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 21:16 GMT
#1291
Honestly I think while BH doesn't look good, we should probably just lynch Vivax today. At least BH has *something* going for him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 21:47 GMT
#1305
HtS, your case on me is already pretty old. You haven't commented on me really since then. What gives?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:17 GMT
#1326
I have to wake up very early tomorrow so I'll try to make this brief.

HtS - Could you explain why you're still just referencing your old case on me when it was made based on like the first 25% of my posts? I don't think you've really touched on anything after that. You're even still talking about "murky reads" or something... Based on my first brief read post I guess.

KSC - you're just flat out misrepresenting things. Like you saying that my post about Oats was wrong when you never bothered to do anything about the post where I explained why YOU were wrong. And me voting Vivax rather than myself (duh?). And going after Onegu as an "easy target" (does scummy = easy these days?). He wasn't even being voted at all.... Just what....

I think we should probably lynch Onegu, Vivax or BH. I'd really, really rather not day my tomorrow to stay up until the lynch.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:19 GMT
#1327
*ruin my day
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:25 GMT
#1337
On May 13 2015 07:23 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 07:17 Xatalos wrote:
I have to wake up very early tomorrow so I'll try to make this brief.

HtS - Could you explain why you're still just referencing your old case on me when it was made based on like the first 25% of my posts? I don't think you've really touched on anything after that. You're even still talking about "murky reads" or something... Based on my first brief read post I guess.

KSC - you're just flat out misrepresenting things. Like you saying that my post about Oats was wrong when you never bothered to do anything about the post where I explained why YOU were wrong. And me voting Vivax rather than myself (duh?). And going after Onegu as an "easy target" (does scummy = easy these days?). He wasn't even being voted at all.... Just what....

I think we should probably lynch Onegu, Vivax or BH. I'd really, really rather not day my tomorrow to stay up until the lynch.


oh BH is in your list now =). as long as it isn't you I guess that's all that matters

i'm not misrepresenting you at all, I was in the thread at those times and the thread sentiment was against those people and you pop up to try and bury them.


You never responded to my response about Oats and went ahead with that part in your case anyway....

And I already explained earlier that I agreed with marv on BH....

But I guess you're just not reading.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:33 GMT
#1345
On May 13 2015 07:28 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 13 2015 07:25 Xatalos wrote:
On May 13 2015 07:23 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 13 2015 07:17 Xatalos wrote:
I have to wake up very early tomorrow so I'll try to make this brief.

HtS - Could you explain why you're still just referencing your old case on me when it was made based on like the first 25% of my posts? I don't think you've really touched on anything after that. You're even still talking about "murky reads" or something... Based on my first brief read post I guess.

KSC - you're just flat out misrepresenting things. Like you saying that my post about Oats was wrong when you never bothered to do anything about the post where I explained why YOU were wrong. And me voting Vivax rather than myself (duh?). And going after Onegu as an "easy target" (does scummy = easy these days?). He wasn't even being voted at all.... Just what....

I think we should probably lynch Onegu, Vivax or BH. I'd really, really rather not day my tomorrow to stay up until the lynch.


oh BH is in your list now =). as long as it isn't you I guess that's all that matters

i'm not misrepresenting you at all, I was in the thread at those times and the thread sentiment was against those people and you pop up to try and bury them.


You never responded to my response about Oats and went ahead with that part in your case anyway....

And I already explained earlier that I agreed with marv on BH....

But I guess you're just not reading.


probably because your response was shit.

you said you didn't understand where oats change of reads, words to the effect of "where the hell did this town read come from" came from even though he outlined it in his post. you just tried t bury him

you also said that BH had something going for him but you are putting him on the lynch list now instead of oats or LS your other scum reads.


1) I just thought it was weird how his read changed abruptly from scum to town despite Sandroba posting pretty similarly from the start. First he was scum for it, then just town - because why? Nothing really changed. He posted far differently from his scum meta since the start. Did you even think that through?

2) Oats and LS could be lynchable, but not so much as those three. They're more like vague gut reads rather than having something concrete against them.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 22:47 GMT
#1355
On May 13 2015 07:40 Damdred wrote:
I kinda am on the fence, xata is still a parrot from glancing at his filter to me a least.

He picks up reads as they be one popular and just that's it... I don't see any real push in his filter just along for the ride.

Think,I'd rather him,be lynched


Seriously... I pretty much had to AFK most of the game until now and when I started playing, of course I wasn't magically going to find a ton of completely new findings. On Vivax there really wasn't anything more to be said. In fact I think I did point out new things about Onegu, Oats and rsoultin at least. Can't be completely sure if I accidentally repeated something but it is what it is.

Now I'm seriously tired and not sure if I can stay up until deadline. My postcount seems to be close to its limits too.

Do what you want I guess, but I'd rather not get mislynched for the first time in like a year or something. That time it was also a case of being far too busy.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 23:24 GMT
#1404
On May 13 2015 08:17 Damdred wrote:
Here's the question, do we give xata more,time to prove he's town if he is?

I think,if he's highly busy as he claimed sooner or later we can,catch him big,him or cop,check him if we want.

He's scummy at this point but his,final,post seemed kinda genuine to a degree to me.

We then have BH who is kinda meh and vivax who the wagon evaporated like td and GB have said. It is concerning I'm sorta tempted to give xata a little more time and lynch vivax or bh today.


I'll be mostly free during Thursday-Sunday (tomorrow still a bit of stuff to go through). It'd really be pretty annoying to get lynched like this after being AFK for the majority of the day and mostly for reasons that happened when I very quickly read the thread earlier on.

I'm already way past the time I was supposed to go to sleep today.... Can hardly stay awake. What's the vote situation like now... I'd be perfectly fine with lynching Vivax instead of BH....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 12 2015 23:37 GMT
#1430
I just can't go to sleep it seems -.- Thinking too much about the deadline.

I'd rather lynch Vivax atm I think. BH's recent posts looked better compared.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
May 13 2015 18:58 GMT
#1615
I think I'm about at the post limit so not gonna post much tonight. I guess I should focus more on bigger posts and reading with these restrictions instead of posting whatever I like usual.

Thanks for not lynching me yesterday. It was too bad that I had to wake up so early this morning, but life is life. In the next days I should have plenty more time and also capability to stay awake for deadlines.

I actually kind of liked BH's recent posts, especially the one where he talked about rsoultin's read changes. It matched well with my own thoughts... So I'm considering just waiting and seeing more from him for now.

Right now I'd most want to lynch LS. His attitude is just completely non-town any way I look at it. I may have to reconsider Onegu for a moment after looking at this exchange between LS and Onegu:

On May 14 2015 03:41 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2015 03:35 Onegu wrote:
On May 14 2015 03:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On May 14 2015 03:08 Onegu wrote:
Ok LS is lieing he doesnt have any strong scum reads at all this game. He scum read vivax for being different than what he remembers. Then after scum reading Vivax all game he wants to switch to xata because, well Im not really sure he never really gives a good reason to...

A town LS actively looks for scum. He is not doing any of that this game.

Second read his filter he is basicly only giving town reads. And commenting on what is popular in the thread. I mean he made 3 posts on who the smurf is...

This isnt a LS town game.

@rsoul. LOL at making a novel and then putting inside of it that people wont read it because it is a novel... <3. Still think you are scum with LS this game. You should have no reason to townread him at this point.

I had a strong scumread on Vivax but then I reconsidered later because he started to look very townie and tried to switch Xata since I liked KSC's case on him and other people also thought he was scum and so I tried to change my vote to Xata but for some reason mods didn't see my vote switch at all....... I still think Xata is scum along with Oats, and BH. Again you keep misrepresenting me on my meta because I did try to look for scum as both alignments..................................................................................................................... I mean check out JOAT and Guardians when I was scum............................



Ok no meta. You aren't looking for scum and making cases, you are only commenting on the thread direction. Therefore you are only trying to blend in. Therefore you are scum.


Why look if I think I found scum?


... It felt like Onegu was reading my mind there for a moment.

I'm also seriously considering that HtS might be scum. Just look at her overall posting style. It's way too clean and what's worse, "static". One example: I was her go-to lynch for a long time, even after I had started seriously posting for a while, but her read didn't take my many more recent posts into account at all. It didn't evolve. She just kept repeating her old case (2-3 times I think) and didn't interact with me. Ultimately, much later, her answer was something like "I don't see any change in you" when I had definitely started playing way more actively and focused (with some free time I had gained finally). At that point even Damdred and marv had somewhat changed their minds. And as for HtS... nothing? It feels like she just decided a read beforehand and sticked with it for the day.

rsoultin: I don't think flavor makes someone town. I'm sure the scumteam would be provided with fakeclaims or the game could easily be broken.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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