On May 11 2015 04:03 TalkingDead wrote: yamato77 Yamato like many veterans generally gives very few fucks when he can't lynch people. Between tone (slight hopeful, slight asshole) and his color coding, these are far more likely to come from town!yamato. The interesting thing to note is that he doesn't seem to care whatsoever what he says; instead, he pops in, makes a comment and leaves. I for one expect more from him, but there doesn't look like he has any ulterior motive in posting. Rather he just says what he wants to say. That's why I have him as so strongly town.
KelsierSC I think he's town mostly based on how obviously hypocritical he is. He spends the first half of his posts talking about how awful other people's post are and how they're wasting posts while he doesn't really bother adding anything himself. That's behavior that I tend to associate with town more than mafia. There's also the aspect that there's no real directional push; rather, it's pecking at a variety of other players. The only reason why I would put him on the town side of null instead of fully town is because his reads are pretty terrible. I find how he backs off of GB rather odd; I can't really understand:
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: He has gone back and looked over his reads and made some alterations which is a towny thing to do.
Because when you look at GB's filter, I'm not seeing any alterations in his reads. First post is essentially a joke; GB has 1 moderate length reads post and a post expanding upon his MIA Damdred read. Rather the GB read feels very much like a preemptive defense while trying to push elsewhere. So if either GB or Kelsier flips mafia, then I'd take a heavy look at the other.
VisceraEyes I find it rather out of place that VE is somewhat bothering to play if VE is town. I agree with Kelsier that on tone, VE looks a bit towny, but quite often VE has complained about not being able to lynch people. By this I mean that in games like PYP or here, where there's a 'pre-game' phase where you have alignment and can talk but are unable to lynch people quite often he as complained about not bothering to play because there's very little point in playing due to the lack of a perceived threat. He can't realistically threaten to lynch or shoot or nuke or whatever anyone and therefore feels less capable of applying pressure. I do find it odd that he didn't harp on BillMurray's last post at all because usually town!VE hates and tends to scumread the "leading on" type of post. His Batsnacks read and his GB/Batsnacks/Onegu observation are things that I'd normally expect from town!VE though. Since in at least a few of those games VE was mafia and because town!VE reads, I'm going to leave him at null to town.
marvellosity I have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1.
HalftheSky HTS is town. Period. She's made an exceptional number of interesting points (GB reaction to yamato, Damdred's word choice, initial poke at LightningStrike).
On May 10 2015 18:40 Bill Murray wrote: Oh I've been filter diving. Didn't expect anyone to post.
As per "This rule will not be absolutely strictly enforced" in the op
I hope going 3 posts over isn't a big deal... because I have been working on a massive post tomorrow.
This post strikes me as particularly odd. Not only had he donated posts to Damdred, something which historically has happened more from mafia than town, he doesn't use any of his posts productively. He promises more useful things in the bland future. Yet, the most interesting thing to me is his caring about going over the limit. That's a behavior that I expect far more to come from mafia as they know they're part of a team which they would hurt by getting modkilled due to rules. Town tends to just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. This is on top of BillMurray not being an awful player as town. By far the best lynch on day 1.
Onegu There's a variety of odd things with him. I think he's the third best lynch on day 1. He's drinking but doesn't post. There's this post:
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Which is a really odd thought process to me. How could town possibly get the traitor role? Usually town that can become mafia has a different role name. This is also a normal game and therefore no alignment changes should ever happen.
Trfel Trfel's posts aren't quite in-depth enough for me to really think he's town, but I like the points he's making. Null-town for now and flesh it out more on day 1.
LightningStike Others have covered this for the most part. LS is the second best lynch for D1.
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here.
5)Damdred This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now.
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I suppose the yamato thing is ok...I mean you had him as top town after two of his posts i think which were his all caps dreamflower and his colour code. Maybe you can argue a tone read now but at that point to call him top town i didn't like.
So at this stage if marv wanted to lynch a townread of yours , you would sheep that?
if I may be so bold to colour some of your reads would it be something like this
HTS GB Damdred VE Lightning Strike
because I have those exact reads yet apparently they are awful so i'm a bit confused.
Where i'm at from the n0 is a pretty good town circle consisting of
HTS Damdred VE Rs GB
I decided to add Rs because she is someone I remember being active in the night and did give lots of reads and explanations, it takes a bit of digging but it is there. mostly the fact that I remember her , some people called her town and some people, myself included, saying "woo take care don't town read her yet", probably means she is town.
Lightning is kind of all over the place but as pointed out this isn't really alignment indicative and he is trying to get some stuff done.
TD is who I want to lynch right now , TD i still want you to respond to the post I made before this, I asked you several questions that need a response.
For everyone else , I don't really remember you enough to say anything so..do stuff I guess.
I think in the next tier. Sandro, JAT, Xat were ok so need to read them again and make a judgement.
On May 11 2015 09:53 KelsierSC wrote: TD is who I want to lynch right now , TD i still want you to respond to the post I made before this, I asked you several questions that need a response.
Noted that you and several other people want answers that are wholly irrelevant. Do you have any other pipe dreams you want to talk about?
well...the answers are important to me so if you can indulge me and answer them. I think sandroba probably wants a response aswell. For clarity here is the questions i posed to you again.
On May 11 2015 04:03 TalkingDead wrote: yamato77 Yamato like many veterans generally gives very few fucks when he can't lynch people. Between tone (slight hopeful, slight asshole) and his color coding, these are far more likely to come from town!yamato. The interesting thing to note is that he doesn't seem to care whatsoever what he says; instead, he pops in, makes a comment and leaves. I for one expect more from him, but there doesn't look like he has any ulterior motive in posting. Rather he just says what he wants to say. That's why I have him as so strongly town.
KelsierSC I think he's town mostly based on how obviously hypocritical he is. He spends the first half of his posts talking about how awful other people's post are and how they're wasting posts while he doesn't really bother adding anything himself. That's behavior that I tend to associate with town more than mafia. There's also the aspect that there's no real directional push; rather, it's pecking at a variety of other players. The only reason why I would put him on the town side of null instead of fully town is because his reads are pretty terrible. I find how he backs off of GB rather odd; I can't really understand:
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: He has gone back and looked over his reads and made some alterations which is a towny thing to do.
Because when you look at GB's filter, I'm not seeing any alterations in his reads. First post is essentially a joke; GB has 1 moderate length reads post and a post expanding upon his MIA Damdred read. Rather the GB read feels very much like a preemptive defense while trying to push elsewhere. So if either GB or Kelsier flips mafia, then I'd take a heavy look at the other.
VisceraEyes I find it rather out of place that VE is somewhat bothering to play if VE is town. I agree with Kelsier that on tone, VE looks a bit towny, but quite often VE has complained about not being able to lynch people. By this I mean that in games like PYP or here, where there's a 'pre-game' phase where you have alignment and can talk but are unable to lynch people quite often he as complained about not bothering to play because there's very little point in playing due to the lack of a perceived threat. He can't realistically threaten to lynch or shoot or nuke or whatever anyone and therefore feels less capable of applying pressure. I do find it odd that he didn't harp on BillMurray's last post at all because usually town!VE hates and tends to scumread the "leading on" type of post. His Batsnacks read and his GB/Batsnacks/Onegu observation are things that I'd normally expect from town!VE though. Since in at least a few of those games VE was mafia and because town!VE reads, I'm going to leave him at null to town.
marvellosity I have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1.
HalftheSky HTS is town. Period. She's made an exceptional number of interesting points (GB reaction to yamato, Damdred's word choice, initial poke at LightningStrike).
On May 10 2015 18:40 Bill Murray wrote: Oh I've been filter diving. Didn't expect anyone to post.
As per "This rule will not be absolutely strictly enforced" in the op
I hope going 3 posts over isn't a big deal... because I have been working on a massive post tomorrow.
This post strikes me as particularly odd. Not only had he donated posts to Damdred, something which historically has happened more from mafia than town, he doesn't use any of his posts productively. He promises more useful things in the bland future. Yet, the most interesting thing to me is his caring about going over the limit. That's a behavior that I expect far more to come from mafia as they know they're part of a team which they would hurt by getting modkilled due to rules. Town tends to just damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead. This is on top of BillMurray not being an awful player as town. By far the best lynch on day 1.
Onegu There's a variety of odd things with him. I think he's the third best lynch on day 1. He's drinking but doesn't post. There's this post:
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Which is a really odd thought process to me. How could town possibly get the traitor role? Usually town that can become mafia has a different role name. This is also a normal game and therefore no alignment changes should ever happen.
Trfel Trfel's posts aren't quite in-depth enough for me to really think he's town, but I like the points he's making. Null-town for now and flesh it out more on day 1.
LightningStike Others have covered this for the most part. LS is the second best lynch for D1.
GlowingBear In looking through things there are a few things I find interesting.
On May 10 2015 12:36 GlowingBear wrote:
4)Kelsen
Null opening. Commenting on something already dropped in the thread it's an easy out for Mafia but the joke made me have a townish gut read on him. A negative read + a positive read = null FUCK YEAH MATHMATEKS.
Then he calls LS out for legit reasons. Townread.
I already know he is mafia because SICK READS (TM)
Saying Rasputin is town for her opening is odd, there is nothing alignment indicative in there, so bad opening.
6)LS
Posts two posts to say he will resort on consolidated posts. Lol I'm tempted to call him Mafia for that but I can see it coming from both alignments... Argh.
I found this post quite odd. Initially so because he reaffirms his Damdred scumread but then bothers to comment on something that's supposed to be viewed as scummy but is just null. The townread on KelsierSC I find interesting because Kelsier also ended up with an odd townread on GlowingBear. But also because GlowingBear doesn't mention Trfel at all while Trfel had an interesting point on how LightningStrike was posting. But in looking further at it, he doesn't seem to place heavy weight on LS being mafia based on talking about how he's going to make consolidated posts. He gives Kelsier a townread for mostly calling out LS for "legit reasons" which GlowingBear doesn't want to follow up on. It's just exceptionally odd. GlowingBear's reads in general are just exceptionally odd on top of that. Initially, I felt like GlowingBear was trying to bus Damdred and Damdred was (at least initially) trying to back him out of that read in a semi-natural way and get GlowingBear to chill out. But in looking more specifically at the connections, the KelsierSC-GlowingBear connection is a bit more odd. I think there are better lynches on day 1 because often enough the person with really weird fucked up reads is just a bad towny which wouldn't be out of place for GlowingBear. But I also wouldn't balk at his lynch since something's definitely wrong here.
5)Damdred This post is too long already and I need to get some food. I'll comment on him later. tl;dr I think GlowingBear vs Damdred is more likely to be town-town right now.
Nothing of note to say about Xatalos batsnacks ObiWanShinobi Oatsmaster justanothertownie
I suppose the yamato thing is ok...I mean you had him as top town after two of his posts i think which were his all caps dreamflower and his colour code. Maybe you can argue a tone read now but at that point to call him top town i didn't like.
So at this stage if marv wanted to lynch a townread of yours , you would sheep that?
if I may be so bold to colour some of your reads would it be something like this
HTS GB Damdred VE Lightning Strike
because I have those exact reads yet apparently they are awful so i'm a bit confused.
This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying.
However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content.
Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread.
HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.
KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point.
LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do.
Damdred chides GlowingBear while clarifying reads.
On May 10 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote: I'm glad that Trfel and KSC seem to be thinking critically now.
Your original question kel was a little lacking but the follow up was much better I think.
Firstly I don't necessarily have to agree with someones read on them to like the direction that they are going in the way that they are posting or the ideas they are pushing.
I think that HTS tone is decent in the post and I just kind of tacked it on to see who would call me out on it while they were reading. Plus it got some more conversation going
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Damdred makes what looks like a snide compliment implying GB isn't thinking whatsoever and just ignores GlowingBear.
On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Obviously I think that GB is a busser and will just keep hitting his team mates over the head until he dies or his team mate dies we did it ourselves in a previous game. And it is possible that there is some connection between who he is scum reading potentially and himself but i'm not sure that hes necessarily scum but he is on the scummy side of null currently.
For example in his reads list a lot of what he says follows thread sentiment, theres nothing here that is against the grain so to speak, nothing really is standing out a part from what other people have generally said.
Also the read on batsnacks is interesting because it is reversed from GB calling him townsnacks earlier for sarcasm (which is a sign of a town snacks at points.).
Theres also an unevenness to how GB is reading if I pull your attention to Yamatos post and HTS post that GB is referring to, both of them cover the same topics and both have this sense of excitement about specific roles. Others have already commented on the tone of it, however GB is reading both of them differently by the same amount of content and for the same crime. I dislike this and give GB a scum point
Also i'm a bit biased due to it being about me, but his read on me is by the large completely devoid of reason. My response to RS opening is pretty null usually par to town read the first person posting even if its joking. However I have around 6 other content posts that GB ignores and doesn't even comment on just being happy to call me scum for a bad opening which again the unevenness putting other people at null for the same reasons.
I actually think GB is a scum lean just a really weird list post with unevenness throughout
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Damdred counter pushes GlowingBear almost reactively in a "explore every detail" aspect.
On May 10 2015 13:55 GlowingBear wrote: I'm at the party, won't go more in depth. Anyone scumreading me now is bad.
Damdred is always Mafia this game. Already.
Summarising why: townreads me for having a bad read on yamato, but says nothing about yamato being town. Says HTS is town but does not say that my scumread on her is bad.
Has weird instant townreads, specially on people he knows he can't have a good read this early (Rasputin's scum and town play are very similar, and he knows my reads can be bad as both town as Mafia after the latest games we played together, he can't have a town OR scumread based on that)
On May 10 2015 14:23 Damdred wrote: I never town read you.... I make a sarcastic remark about your read being as bad almost as bad if I called you town at that point.... But no never town read you.
My read on rsoultin is actually really good now days. Her town and scum games are actually very different on a few levels but I don't want to go into that giving her hints how to improve at this point, also its tradition to always townread the first post lol..
But anyway
Also GB isn't reading it seems never tries to refute what I'm saying just throwing dirt on me to try to discredit some valid things in saying about the list but instead like I said is throwing sand without actual interaction or showing why in the original post or here.
It is strangely familiar if you look at mini mafia 2 and how he interacted with palmar early in the game.
(9) also <3 bill
Then Damdred tries to disengage with the classic, "He's just mudslinging for total discredit value instead of arguing points."
The point of this is that neither really goes ham on the other. There's no large shitstorm, mudslinging or dickwaggling contest. For the most part, both of them tend to believe that they're right and that ignore relevant points the other has while claiming the 'high ground' for themselves. Then for the most part they both disengage from direct contact to worth with others. To me, this is a situation where they share alignments because as town-town they both know they can be wrong here and instead want to either engage other people to confirm or deny biased views. As mafia-mafia, there's no real advantage to hard double bus this early and get heavily place the focus on both of you especially when Damdred is a player who (while good at scum) works best when he's out of the direct spotlight. I excluded mafia-town because normally in mafia-town interaction, one of the two will hold onto and beat a dead horse (in regards to arguing with the other person).
The specific reason why I end up at town-town specifically on the two is because that's where I end up on both of them individually. Damdred looks really towny to me based on how he's interacting, tone, interest level and thought process. GlowingBear is likely the most controversial person in the thread; the most controversial person is almost always town.
On the whole, I'm surprised that you're less interested in talking about BillMurray, Blazinghand, LightningStrike or numerous others. Potentially even Trfel.
well I guess that makes sense, I'm not sure about this point
"Damdred makes what looks like a snide compliment implying GB isn't thinking whatsoever"
I didn't see that in the quote..I'm not sure if you are trying to twist the quote to fit your narrative now. leaving this for now.
what about the other questions I asked you , the ones I quoted. furthermore , what is weird to me is that you call it town-town. but the way you spoke about GB in the large post is to call him mafia . but yeh want to hear the rest of your answers.
On May 11 2015 11:36 Damdred wrote: So this is hopefully going to be my least informative and worst post of the game.
I now have a town read on td and sandroba.
this will likely cause me some grief but its how I feel at the moment in time.
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you could explain why tney are town, rather than talk about how you are going to get questioned.
You are always so pushy and rude at times kel when you are like this lol.
sandroba this game is exceptionally wrong about his two primary reads in me and td I feel. However hrs pushing his own ideas and his own agenda in the thread. If you look at any past game he rolls scum in you don't really see this kind of activity and ability to push like this, at this point in the game generally. O think he's really wrong but he's town.
I just like td, he might be obstinate about answering at times but he is pitting himself out there. I think he's town I don't want to say much more than that. Well one last thing he's really putting himself forward and not trying to blend in, I don't see a scum who has received some heat still putting this forward I think hr would be more agreeable and trying to explain rather than not and not blending.
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well you said that you were going to get grief for it,
On May 11 2015 12:19 Damdred wrote: Actually yea that was a really good explanation for his read and why he left out mafia-town from his way of thinking. I think it is a bit of a narrative to an extent but I thought it showed his thought process and how he came about it. I still think hes town.
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well you said this
" I think hr would be more agreeable and trying to explain"
but he just posted an explanation, some of which feels like an over explanation. so how come he is still town.
Your point about "blending" doesn't make any sense, if people are questioning you and you dodge, don't answer and say reread you are going to get called mafia.
On May 11 2015 12:25 Damdred wrote: I'm not really understanding what your problem is, hes still not blending. He answered the question posed in perhaps an overexplained way, but it was really good I felt.
I don't think you know what blending is, hes still not doing it. If he wanted to blend in he would auto answer things or make comments that wouldn't get him called out and sink back into the muddy water that is the rest of the player list.
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your calling him town because he is not blending in, but that isn't an option for him at this point so calling him town for that is stupid.
On May 11 2015 12:25 Damdred wrote: I'm not really understanding what your problem is, hes still not blending. He answered the question posed in perhaps an overexplained way, but it was really good I felt.
I don't think you know what blending is, hes still not doing it. If he wanted to blend in he would auto answer things or make comments that wouldn't get him called out and sink back into the muddy water that is the rest of the player list.
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your calling him town because he is not blending in, but that isn't an option for him at this point so calling him town for that is stupid.
So basically you are complaining about my read because i'm right that hes not blending in?
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you called him town because he is being obstructive and not explaining...then he explains his read but you still call him town.
then you say he is town because he is choosing not to blend in, but I explained he has no option to blend in so it is completely irrelevant.
On May 11 2015 12:25 Damdred wrote: I'm not really understanding what your problem is, hes still not blending. He answered the question posed in perhaps an overexplained way, but it was really good I felt.
I don't think you know what blending is, hes still not doing it. If he wanted to blend in he would auto answer things or make comments that wouldn't get him called out and sink back into the muddy water that is the rest of the player list.
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your calling him town because he is not blending in, but that isn't an option for him at this point so calling him town for that is stupid.
So basically you are complaining about my read because i'm right that hes not blending in?
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you called him town because he is being obstructive and not explaining...then he explains his read but you still call him town.
then you say he is town because he is choosing not to blend in, but I explained he has no option to blend in so it is completely irrelevant.
So me making the largest analysis post of the game reasonably early on is "blending in"? That's a bit odd for someone who's hand is in every cookie jar.
As explained already, you haven't blended in because you don't have the choice. i don't even know what your cookie jar is a reference to , unless you are going to try and call me mafia now.
On May 11 2015 12:25 Damdred wrote: I'm not really understanding what your problem is, hes still not blending. He answered the question posed in perhaps an overexplained way, but it was really good I felt.
I don't think you know what blending is, hes still not doing it. If he wanted to blend in he would auto answer things or make comments that wouldn't get him called out and sink back into the muddy water that is the rest of the player list.
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your calling him town because he is not blending in, but that isn't an option for him at this point so calling him town for that is stupid.
So basically you are complaining about my read because i'm right that hes not blending in?
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you called him town because he is being obstructive and not explaining...then he explains his read but you still call him town.
then you say he is town because he is choosing not to blend in, but I explained he has no option to blend in so it is completely irrelevant.
Now you are just being kinda not fun right now.
He answered questions in a way that caused him not to blend in. Mafia like to blend in and will usually bend to peoples wills to fit in before they can't blend in anymore. They don't like being called out for things especially this early in the game.
(that is just a general heusitc.)
Of course i'll call someone town for a good post if i'm already town reading them. And you are kind of arguing a pointless thing? If you disagree with my reasoning then disagree with it but this isn't the way to prove i'm wrong or scum.
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i already explained that I disagree with your reasoning. your town read of him is bad and i'm explaining that to you.
On May 11 2015 12:25 Damdred wrote: I'm not really understanding what your problem is, hes still not blending. He answered the question posed in perhaps an overexplained way, but it was really good I felt.
I don't think you know what blending is, hes still not doing it. If he wanted to blend in he would auto answer things or make comments that wouldn't get him called out and sink back into the muddy water that is the rest of the player list.
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your calling him town because he is not blending in, but that isn't an option for him at this point so calling him town for that is stupid.
So basically you are complaining about my read because i'm right that hes not blending in?
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you called him town because he is being obstructive and not explaining...then he explains his read but you still call him town.
then you say he is town because he is choosing not to blend in, but I explained he has no option to blend in so it is completely irrelevant.
So me making the largest analysis post of the game reasonably early on is "blending in"? That's a bit odd for someone who's hand is in every cookie jar.
As explained already, you haven't blended in because you don't have the choice. i don't even know what your cookie jar is a reference to , unless you are going to try and call me mafia now.
you still haven't answered my earlier question
On May 11 2015 12:33 Damdred wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:29 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:28 Damdred wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:27 KelsierSC wrote:
On May 11 2015 12:25 Damdred wrote: I'm not really understanding what your problem is, hes still not blending. He answered the question posed in perhaps an overexplained way, but it was really good I felt.
I don't think you know what blending is, hes still not doing it. If he wanted to blend in he would auto answer things or make comments that wouldn't get him called out and sink back into the muddy water that is the rest of the player list.
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your calling him town because he is not blending in, but that isn't an option for him at this point so calling him town for that is stupid.
So basically you are complaining about my read because i'm right that hes not blending in?
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you called him town because he is being obstructive and not explaining...then he explains his read but you still call him town.
then you say he is town because he is choosing not to blend in, but I explained he has no option to blend in so it is completely irrelevant.
Now you are just being kinda not fun right now.
He answered questions in a way that caused him not to blend in. Mafia like to blend in and will usually bend to peoples wills to fit in before they can't blend in anymore. They don't like being called out for things especially this early in the game.
(that is just a general heusitc.)
Of course i'll call someone town for a good post if i'm already town reading them. And you are kind of arguing a pointless thing? If you disagree with my reasoning then disagree with it but this isn't the way to prove i'm wrong or scum.
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i already explained that I disagree with your reasoning. your town read of him is bad and i'm explaining that to you.
Nothing bad about it honestly. you are just trying to be nit picky and overly in your face for no reason. I think hes town.
Mafia like to blend he has done nothing but stand out when he posts, he had a choice to blend he chose not to.
I liked his post oh well, the conversation is pointless and you are just being meh at this point.
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fine , i don't agree with your reasoning but w/e.
i'm waiting for him to answer my other questions but I agree I have beaten this point to death.
TD you wanted people to talk about BM, LS etc. what are your thoughts on them?
not sure why TD won't answer my initial questions, pretty sure he is mafia.
- did things I didn't like early game, the yamato as top town, the town-town business. - very contradictory big list post, talks about GB like he is mafia then says it's town-town between dam and gb - calls me town with "terrible reads" but he shared the majority of my reads, wouldn't explain this - generally obstructive - when he does explain it felt like an over explanation and he was twisting quotes to fit his narrative , too much information gleaned is what it felt like - wants us to talk about other people without giving his own opinion of them.
I think sandrobo is town, his progression seems reasonable to me.
as for my fight with damdred...i guess town can disagree with eachother sometimes,
Morning everyone, I will try to be less, hostile, I wanted to push my points and inadvertently upset people. Anyway some shit went down whilst I slept so here are my thoughts
Xatalos - I like the point that damdred brought up about him, his play has been agreeable, just that, agreed with me about LS and then asked some questions without following up, since then disappeared. I too have a scum lean on this guy.
Nuke - wtf just happened here, firstly Trefl is nowhere near the most inactive in the game, the overall read on this guy was that his tone was ok and he raised some ok points, just needed to see more. If that is the impression why the hell do you nuke the guy, maybe raise suspicion of him to get him to talk but don't nuke him. If your criteria is inactivity there are people who haven't said a word and people like rebirth. Overall a horrible move, that being said. I don't know what it says for BM alignment yet.
BH - good anti-nuke, a plus in this guys favour. I guess town for now
I went into yesterday trying to get reads on Xat, Sandro and JAT
as mentioned I think sandro is town Xat feels scum after Damdred's point
I don't like JAT so far, in my experience I think he would have contributed a lot more, so far he has been snipey and either shot down reads or asked questions that don't lead anywhere
On May 10 2015 23:57 rsoultin wrote: jat also gets a hmmm...the early commitment is nice but lol i doubt my hts toneread, awesome amazing-sauce as it is, is the only thing in this thread worth commenting on xP
On May 10 2015 17:13 Bill Murray wrote: I don't play nice in games that have walls of texts. I am out of posts after this post, but just know that I did what I did to save all of you from my saltyness.
Why would you be salty?
I want to see a lot more from him and expected more so leaning scum for now
Some of this post (including this preface) was written before the anti-nuke. I'm tired and too lazy to edit it.
If I'm going to be playing this game knowing that I get nuked at the end of the cycle, at least I'm going to play it my way. So you will be dealing with extremely long posts, random Styx songs, and complete lack of self confidence. I'm not going to adjust my play to please people who nuke me for inactivity on Mothers' Day. If you don't like it, be glad I won't be here for very long.
On the bright side, at least I'm not going to be lynched today. Listen to the above song, it's really quite good. And fitting for the occasion. This song is a good example of why I like Styx: their songs have good melodies and good chord progressions, but they all have fairly good lyrics and most of them actually say something rather profound, or evoke a deep emotion. This song in particular makes me think of my friends and family separated by time and space, and pains me because in many cases, there is no more time.
Bill Murray
I do not have the ability to call down nukes. I have learned that Bill Murray's nuke is real or he has a role specifically allowing him to fake nuke people (which I do not believe is specified by the OP, can anyone else confirm this?).
So, I'm obviously biased against Bill Murray. We didn't get along all that well in Student Mafia VIII, despite both being town. He really doesn't like my style of using longer posts. And I'm obviously very annoyed at being nuked for wanting to spend time with my family on Mothers' Day, while saying that I would catch up with the game this evening (and Bill Murray supposedly read my filter).
Everything about Bill Murray's play is screaming mafia. But can town really be completely lazy, and decide to do this? I can't rule it out, especially knowing that Bill Murray really doesn't like me. So I think that it is best if I refrain from posting reads on Bill Murray, because anything that I say is clouded in personal bias and frustration.
On May 11 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote: JAT and Marv are underwhelming. Mafia please shoot one of them if they're town so I don't have to think about them.
So, GlowingBear doesn't want mafia to shoot other mafia, thus wanting mafia to stay alive?
More seriously though... he provided an early townread on batsnacks, and then reverses that townread for poor reasons (remembering that batsnacks' first post, and an unflipped association read).
However, I do like his early pressure on Damdred. And his posts seem to have a carefree attitude, he really doesn't seem like he cares what people think about him. I'm not too certain about this, but I'm slightly leaning town on GlowingBear at this time.
KelsierSC
I'm suspicious of KelsierSC. He opened the game very aggressively, pushing suspicion at many players (LightningStrike, rsoultin, and Damdred). His read development on these three players is very interesting.
On May 10 2015 09:30 LightningStrike wrote: So with a 10 post limit I might resort to like a Geript Student V style for this phase.
1st person to use post limit excuse
1 mafia down
I not mafia it just it going to be hard for me to post with only 10 posts allowed this phase.
you have used 3/10 already
1 to say hello and then 2 more to say you are going to play like someone else and that you will have a hard time posting
seems like you are trying to cover potential inactivity/shit posts already, not looking good. for you.
The initial scumread.
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Lightningstrike - called him scum because his first 3 posts were terrible and he has run away like a scaredy cat. pretty weak response overall
On May 10 2015 21:34 KelsierSC wrote: LS, that wall of text is hard to read but it's good you are putting reads and stuff forward, I will retract my scum read on you for now.
I don't think you have said anything particularly controversial in your post, things are sort of "odd" "pretty bad" "we shall see", can you go against the wall of text style and maybe give some towns and some scum? if you don't have any then just say that
On May 10 2015 23:09 Stutters695 wrote: Cool, this started. I don't think I've ever done a n0, anything special about it?
Not really except the really strict post restriction.
I can't read the LS post TLDR / conclusions, if any?
KSC: I can sort of agree with the fact that making weird plays (Damdred) more often comes from town. It's just that this assumes that it *was* in fact a prepared play and not to cover up questionable reads. In any case, how exactly did LS's post make you change your read? I at least couldn't really extract anything from it.
well, my initial scum read on him was because the first few posts were terrible and didn't say anything. He said he was going to post in a specific, albeit terrible, way and now he has actually made a contribution to the game I don't have any reason to scumread him anymore.
I'll reevaluate him when he gives more as his post didn't break any new ground, null for now
I don't see how KelsierSC's read progression matches LightningStrike's play. KelsierSC was very suspicious of him early on, and then dropped these suspicions for seemingly little reason at all, while still stating reservations (specifically, that LightningStrike's post didn't make any strong reads). Later, KelsierSC says that LightningStrike being all over the place isn't alignment indicative, suggesting that he has some knowledge of LightningStrike's meta. But this indicates that KelsierSC's early suspicion of LightningStrike is false. KelsierSC keeps going back and forth with his LightningStrike read, and this doesn't look good to me.
I was going to make some huge entrance post for this game, which I figured that approximately zero people would read. But then I didn't have enough time, so I didn't.
So instead, I'll just cut to the point.
I had this great toneread on Half the Sky, and then I realized that rsoultin already commented on the same thing. I agree that Half the Sky's "happiness" does feel very forced.
I'm also somewhat suspicious of LightningStrike. Not for wasting posts, but for justifying a lower posting (and higher content) style by saying he will play like someone else did in a game isn't necessary at all. If LightningStrike wanted to use a low post count style because of the post limit, I would expect him to just go ahead and do that (and quite possibly announce what he would be doing). But I really don't understand why he would justify this by comparing it to someone else in a different game.
I would be inclined to think that KelsierSC is town, but this post gives me pause.
On May 10 2015 09:58 KelsierSC wrote: rsoul you got a mafia yet?
Rsoultin already expressed that she is suspicious of Half the Sky, so I'm really not sure why KelsierSC is asking this. KelsierSC has no reason to say this, so it feels like buddying to me.
she made a post with a lot of words in it but I had no idea who was mafia.
Which shows that you did not read the post very carefully at all. You seem willing to be present in the thread and to talk with people, but you aren't reading carefully. Suspicious. + Show Spoiler [Explanation] +
hi ^^ yay for game finally starting lol so much hype! \o/
towniest town who ever towned por supuesto, who is the next towniest?
you only know if you're town, you don't know how towny you are yet
lol yeah? oh damn, you caught me xP shoulda read my pm! (the role changes how towny i am, does it? xP such odd ideas you have, ksc) hmmm try hard right from the start, ja? pero i don't know why you'd want to waste a post on saying my role pm changes my level of towniness, any more than why ls would waste a post saying hi before commenting on a geript student V style posting strategy
On May 10 2015 09:37 yamato77 wrote: MAKE ME A MOTHER FUCKING DREAM FLOWER
DO IT
Yamato-kun! how happy are you today? lol...finally ending that scum streak maybe?
First, there aren't actually that many words. It's just a post with a lot of quotes and white space.
I colored rsoultin's post as indicated by her statements. She's pushing at least the same level of suspicion on multiple people as you are with you own accusation (that rsoultin's made a wordy post with no scumreads).
pushing suspicion isn't calling someone mafia, hence the question.
What do you currently think about rsoultin, then?
On May 10 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote: hrum, truffle-bby you talk of buddying while mirroring my obviously wonderful preliminary reads but lol >< you don't see the humor in that? xP i presume since you're suspicious of ksc and talking of buddying you find me town (another easy read and i already told everyone as much xP)
what's with reposting the player list?
Oh hush, you...
Anyway, I didn't repost the player list... I originally added the filters, the official player list is a copy-paste of the player list that I posted
On May 10 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.
I'm obviously biased about myself... but Half the Sky only made one post, with nothing of actual value.
On May 10 2015 09:12 Half the Sky wrote: 1/10
Town here. Again. *happy dance*
Excited for this game, particularly with some of the possible roles I've not seen yet in normal games (puppeteer, dreamflower, pardoner, nuker etc).
Do tell me how you managed to arrive at your conclusion from this post?
I don't really understand why people are so quick to call rsoul town. Nothing jumps out at me as being particularly townie. A lot of people seem quick to call her town and sort of buddy up. She is bringing up the points she things are important but I don't agree with all of it. i don't agree with the HTS read and the rest of what she says is pretty lacklustre
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: rsoul - Lot of people call her town but I don't really know her style, her posts give me brain cancer. If you break down what she has said so far the only real commitment is HTS is scum, everyone else is "leaning town" or "town"
From there, KelsierSC adds rsoultin to his town circle.
On May 11 2015 09:53 KelsierSC wrote: I decided to add Rs because she is someone I remember being active in the night and did give lots of reads and explanations, it takes a bit of digging but it is there. mostly the fact that I remember her , some people called her town and some people, myself included, saying "woo take care don't town read her yet", probably means she is town.
I don't understand what KelsierSC was doing with his initial question to rsoultin. Initially, I thought it was most likely asking for rsoultin's townreads because he was townreading rsoultin and wanted to know. However, KelsierSC denied this, so he was either genuinely curious (in which case he didn't seem at all interested in the answer or its implications) or using the question as a means of pushing suspicion onto rsoultin (which didn't result in a read of rsoultin). Either way, when I asked KelsierSC for a read on rsoultin, he just complained that people were townreading rsoultin for bad reasons, and his read seemed to end up at null.
He basically is suspicious of rsoultin for no good reason, and then is more focused on showing why other people's townreads of rsoultin are bad than doing anything else, while his own read on rsoultin is null.
This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying.
However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content.
Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread.
HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.
KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point.
LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do.
I'm a bit confused damdred
Rs is pressing good ideas and important issues , but the only "good" idea she has really pushed is that HTS has a forced tone and is mafia.
The most impressive part is that you ignored the trutly contradicting things I put into the post but key'd in on something that I actually believe.
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you believe HTS has a forced tone and is mafia? but you just wrote she has a good tone about her.
that is what is confusing me, how can rs have good ideas about hts but hts have a good tone to you?
Initially, KelsierSC is suspicious of Damdred for a contradiction in his reads.
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Damdred - probably the person i've been struggling with the most. I didn't like his early rsoul read but he has defended it pretty well, I also didn't like his prepared play, to be honest it didn't look like it achieved much, but I guess Damdred decided Trfel and I were town from it and got called scummy for it. It seems a strange thing to do as scum, so i'm not going to wide eyed over it. I think his GB reads were actually quite strong post (8), they seemed to come from a town perspective. following on from that he has been active this phase and generated a lot of discussion so overall I think he is town for now.
Then KelsierSC included Damdred in his town circle. But then, he proceeds to argue with Damdred over some townreads, eventually resulting in this:
On May 11 2015 13:11 KelsierSC wrote: as for my fight with damdred...i guess town can disagree with eachother sometimes
KelsierSC has no reason to argue with his townread, and eventually reluctantly agree that he went nowhere and Damdred is still (grudgingly) town.
KelsierSC seems to be playing to keep his options open. He is throwing a lot of suspicion around, especially early in the game, and his reads change in a way that I have difficulty explaining from a town mindset.
However, KelsierSC has been extremely active and promoting discussion. He completely ignored the Night 0 post limit. This makes me much more hesitant to scumread him, because I don't think that scum would be posting so much. But I do not think that activity alone is a good enough reason to townread him here.
Initially I felt that Damdred was suspicious for making reads that felt strange to me (for reasons I don't care to elaborate on at this time). However, he has been widely townread. Were Damdred mafia, I would have expected him to back off a bit, but he has continued to change his reads and find new suspicions. Furthermore, he's brought up some better points lately. I don't really see Damdred being mafia with this play.
He's extremely focused on his scumreads, for which he provides some good points. And he also seems willing to discuss and reconsider. Enough to townread him for now, at least.
On May 10 2015 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I really don't like what batsnacks is doing so far this game, he comes across as trying intentionally to be mysterious and nonsensical. A style we can all pretty much recognize I'm sure.
On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Firstly VE, I like your batsnacks part about how he is trying to be intentionally mysterious.
Please explain what you mean in these quotes, about batsnacks being "intentionally mysterious"? What does this make you think about his alignment?
KelsierSC: Can you please respond to the above points that I made? (just the main points will suffice)
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The way that I arrived at my town reads is explained in the posts so I don't know what I can add apart from a summary.
rsoultin - I have trouble reading her posts , it seemed like she was reluctant to label anyone town or mafia hence my questioning, my town read comes from the fact that if you put the effort to decipher the posts she does give reads and the fact that I remember her as a standout from n0 makes her town to me.
Lightning strike - initially i called him mafia to put pressure on him because his early posts were pretty awful, he came out and started contributing things so I moved him back to null. his business with hts being mafia then town felt like someone floundering as mafia but some people believe that it isn't alignment indicative for him to be that way. I think he is mafia though.
damdred - I mean if someone contradicts themselves it is natural to question them, I explained that I struggled to read damdred but my explanation is in the post you quoted. when i questioned him about his townread of TD it is because i firmly believe TD is mafia and if someone in my town circle disagrees I want to explain why they are wrong and get them over to my side. I'm not reluctant that Damdred is town though.
I don't feel like i'm hedging and trying to keep options open , I feel I have been clear with who I think is mafia and who I want to push on.
Some of this post (including this preface) was written before the anti-nuke. I'm tired and too lazy to edit it.
If I'm going to be playing this game knowing that I get nuked at the end of the cycle, at least I'm going to play it my way. So you will be dealing with extremely long posts, random Styx songs, and complete lack of self confidence. I'm not going to adjust my play to please people who nuke me for inactivity on Mothers' Day. If you don't like it, be glad I won't be here for very long.
On the bright side, at least I'm not going to be lynched today. Listen to the above song, it's really quite good. And fitting for the occasion. This song is a good example of why I like Styx: their songs have good melodies and good chord progressions, but they all have fairly good lyrics and most of them actually say something rather profound, or evoke a deep emotion. This song in particular makes me think of my friends and family separated by time and space, and pains me because in many cases, there is no more time.
Bill Murray
I do not have the ability to call down nukes. I have learned that Bill Murray's nuke is real or he has a role specifically allowing him to fake nuke people (which I do not believe is specified by the OP, can anyone else confirm this?).
So, I'm obviously biased against Bill Murray. We didn't get along all that well in Student Mafia VIII, despite both being town. He really doesn't like my style of using longer posts. And I'm obviously very annoyed at being nuked for wanting to spend time with my family on Mothers' Day, while saying that I would catch up with the game this evening (and Bill Murray supposedly read my filter).
Everything about Bill Murray's play is screaming mafia. But can town really be completely lazy, and decide to do this? I can't rule it out, especially knowing that Bill Murray really doesn't like me. So I think that it is best if I refrain from posting reads on Bill Murray, because anything that I say is clouded in personal bias and frustration.
On May 11 2015 03:46 GlowingBear wrote: JAT and Marv are underwhelming. Mafia please shoot one of them if they're town so I don't have to think about them.
So, GlowingBear doesn't want mafia to shoot other mafia, thus wanting mafia to stay alive?
More seriously though... he provided an early townread on batsnacks, and then reverses that townread for poor reasons (remembering that batsnacks' first post, and an unflipped association read).
However, I do like his early pressure on Damdred. And his posts seem to have a carefree attitude, he really doesn't seem like he cares what people think about him. I'm not too certain about this, but I'm slightly leaning town on GlowingBear at this time.
KelsierSC
I'm suspicious of KelsierSC. He opened the game very aggressively, pushing suspicion at many players (LightningStrike, rsoultin, and Damdred). His read development on these three players is very interesting.
On May 10 2015 09:30 LightningStrike wrote: So with a 10 post limit I might resort to like a Geript Student V style for this phase.
1st person to use post limit excuse
1 mafia down
I not mafia it just it going to be hard for me to post with only 10 posts allowed this phase.
you have used 3/10 already
1 to say hello and then 2 more to say you are going to play like someone else and that you will have a hard time posting
seems like you are trying to cover potential inactivity/shit posts already, not looking good. for you.
The initial scumread.
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Lightningstrike - called him scum because his first 3 posts were terrible and he has run away like a scaredy cat. pretty weak response overall
On May 10 2015 21:34 KelsierSC wrote: LS, that wall of text is hard to read but it's good you are putting reads and stuff forward, I will retract my scum read on you for now.
I don't think you have said anything particularly controversial in your post, things are sort of "odd" "pretty bad" "we shall see", can you go against the wall of text style and maybe give some towns and some scum? if you don't have any then just say that
On May 10 2015 23:09 Stutters695 wrote: Cool, this started. I don't think I've ever done a n0, anything special about it?
Not really except the really strict post restriction.
I can't read the LS post TLDR / conclusions, if any?
KSC: I can sort of agree with the fact that making weird plays (Damdred) more often comes from town. It's just that this assumes that it *was* in fact a prepared play and not to cover up questionable reads. In any case, how exactly did LS's post make you change your read? I at least couldn't really extract anything from it.
well, my initial scum read on him was because the first few posts were terrible and didn't say anything. He said he was going to post in a specific, albeit terrible, way and now he has actually made a contribution to the game I don't have any reason to scumread him anymore.
I'll reevaluate him when he gives more as his post didn't break any new ground, null for now
I don't see how KelsierSC's read progression matches LightningStrike's play. KelsierSC was very suspicious of him early on, and then dropped these suspicions for seemingly little reason at all, while still stating reservations (specifically, that LightningStrike's post didn't make any strong reads). Later, KelsierSC says that LightningStrike being all over the place isn't alignment indicative, suggesting that he has some knowledge of LightningStrike's meta. But this indicates that KelsierSC's early suspicion of LightningStrike is false. KelsierSC keeps going back and forth with his LightningStrike read, and this doesn't look good to me.
I was going to make some huge entrance post for this game, which I figured that approximately zero people would read. But then I didn't have enough time, so I didn't.
I had this great toneread on Half the Sky, and then I realized that rsoultin already commented on the same thing. I agree that Half the Sky's "happiness" does feel very forced.
I'm also somewhat suspicious of LightningStrike. Not for wasting posts, but for justifying a lower posting (and higher content) style by saying he will play like someone else did in a game isn't necessary at all. If LightningStrike wanted to use a low post count style because of the post limit, I would expect him to just go ahead and do that (and quite possibly announce what he would be doing). But I really don't understand why he would justify this by comparing it to someone else in a different game.
I would be inclined to think that KelsierSC is town, but this post gives me pause.
On May 10 2015 09:58 KelsierSC wrote: rsoul you got a mafia yet?
Rsoultin already expressed that she is suspicious of Half the Sky, so I'm really not sure why KelsierSC is asking this. KelsierSC has no reason to say this, so it feels like buddying to me.
she made a post with a lot of words in it but I had no idea who was mafia.
Which shows that you did not read the post very carefully at all. You seem willing to be present in the thread and to talk with people, but you aren't reading carefully. Suspicious. + Show Spoiler [Explanation] +
hi ^^ yay for game finally starting lol so much hype! \o/
towniest town who ever towned por supuesto, who is the next towniest?
you only know if you're town, you don't know how towny you are yet
lol yeah? oh damn, you caught me xP shoulda read my pm! (the role changes how towny i am, does it? xP such odd ideas you have, ksc) hmmm try hard right from the start, ja? pero i don't know why you'd want to waste a post on saying my role pm changes my level of towniness, any more than why ls would waste a post saying hi before commenting on a geript student V style posting strategy
On May 10 2015 09:37 yamato77 wrote: MAKE ME A MOTHER FUCKING DREAM FLOWER
DO IT
Yamato-kun! how happy are you today? lol...finally ending that scum streak maybe?
First, there aren't actually that many words. It's just a post with a lot of quotes and white space.
I colored rsoultin's post as indicated by her statements. She's pushing at least the same level of suspicion on multiple people as you are with you own accusation (that rsoultin's made a wordy post with no scumreads).
pushing suspicion isn't calling someone mafia, hence the question.
What do you currently think about rsoultin, then?
On May 10 2015 11:00 rsoultin wrote: hrum, truffle-bby you talk of buddying while mirroring my obviously wonderful preliminary reads but lol >< you don't see the humor in that? xP i presume since you're suspicious of ksc and talking of buddying you find me town (another easy read and i already told everyone as much xP)
what's with reposting the player list?
Oh hush, you...
Anyway, I didn't repost the player list... I originally added the filters, the official player list is a copy-paste of the player list that I posted
On May 10 2015 11:20 Damdred wrote: HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.
I'm obviously biased about myself... but Half the Sky only made one post, with nothing of actual value.
On May 10 2015 09:12 Half the Sky wrote: 1/10
Town here. Again. *happy dance*
Excited for this game, particularly with some of the possible roles I've not seen yet in normal games (puppeteer, dreamflower, pardoner, nuker etc).
Do tell me how you managed to arrive at your conclusion from this post?
I don't really understand why people are so quick to call rsoul town. Nothing jumps out at me as being particularly townie. A lot of people seem quick to call her town and sort of buddy up. She is bringing up the points she things are important but I don't agree with all of it. i don't agree with the HTS read and the rest of what she says is pretty lacklustre
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: rsoul - Lot of people call her town but I don't really know her style, her posts give me brain cancer. If you break down what she has said so far the only real commitment is HTS is scum, everyone else is "leaning town" or "town"
From there, KelsierSC adds rsoultin to his town circle.
On May 11 2015 09:53 KelsierSC wrote: I decided to add Rs because she is someone I remember being active in the night and did give lots of reads and explanations, it takes a bit of digging but it is there. mostly the fact that I remember her , some people called her town and some people, myself included, saying "woo take care don't town read her yet", probably means she is town.
I don't understand what KelsierSC was doing with his initial question to rsoultin. Initially, I thought it was most likely asking for rsoultin's townreads because he was townreading rsoultin and wanted to know. However, KelsierSC denied this, so he was either genuinely curious (in which case he didn't seem at all interested in the answer or its implications) or using the question as a means of pushing suspicion onto rsoultin (which didn't result in a read of rsoultin). Either way, when I asked KelsierSC for a read on rsoultin, he just complained that people were townreading rsoultin for bad reasons, and his read seemed to end up at null.
He basically is suspicious of rsoultin for no good reason, and then is more focused on showing why other people's townreads of rsoultin are bad than doing anything else, while his own read on rsoultin is null.
This is almost as bad a read as me saying GB is town just saying.
However at this point I have a couple of preliminary town reads I believe just by tone and posting style and somewhat on content.
Rsoultin seems to be genuinely using the posts to press good ideas while pressing issues that are important in the thread.
HTS and Trfel both seem to have a good tone about them and it seems it is easy to follow what they mean while it somewhat mirrors what RS says I think it is a good sign of things to come and both are good leans.
KSC... is a bit harder for me to get a handle on at this point, I have a slight town lean on him. His tone and general demeanor remind me of Void Mafia at this point. However his style is also reminiscent of mini mafia to an extent, but the content is different. I'm pretty ok with him at this point.
LS is interesting, he always wastes posts but we'll see what his other posts do.
I'm a bit confused damdred
Rs is pressing good ideas and important issues , but the only "good" idea she has really pushed is that HTS has a forced tone and is mafia.
The most impressive part is that you ignored the trutly contradicting things I put into the post but key'd in on something that I actually believe.
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you believe HTS has a forced tone and is mafia? but you just wrote she has a good tone about her.
that is what is confusing me, how can rs have good ideas about hts but hts have a good tone to you?
Initially, KelsierSC is suspicious of Damdred for a contradiction in his reads.
On May 10 2015 19:27 KelsierSC wrote: Damdred - probably the person i've been struggling with the most. I didn't like his early rsoul read but he has defended it pretty well, I also didn't like his prepared play, to be honest it didn't look like it achieved much, but I guess Damdred decided Trfel and I were town from it and got called scummy for it. It seems a strange thing to do as scum, so i'm not going to wide eyed over it. I think his GB reads were actually quite strong post (8), they seemed to come from a town perspective. following on from that he has been active this phase and generated a lot of discussion so overall I think he is town for now.
Then KelsierSC included Damdred in his town circle. But then, he proceeds to argue with Damdred over some townreads, eventually resulting in this:
On May 11 2015 13:11 KelsierSC wrote: as for my fight with damdred...i guess town can disagree with eachother sometimes
KelsierSC has no reason to argue with his townread, and eventually reluctantly agree that he went nowhere and Damdred is still (grudgingly) town.
KelsierSC seems to be playing to keep his options open. He is throwing a lot of suspicion around, especially early in the game, and his reads change in a way that I have difficulty explaining from a town mindset.
However, KelsierSC has been extremely active and promoting discussion. He completely ignored the Night 0 post limit. This makes me much more hesitant to scumread him, because I don't think that scum would be posting so much. But I do not think that activity alone is a good enough reason to townread him here.
Initially I felt that Damdred was suspicious for making reads that felt strange to me (for reasons I don't care to elaborate on at this time). However, he has been widely townread. Were Damdred mafia, I would have expected him to back off a bit, but he has continued to change his reads and find new suspicions. Furthermore, he's brought up some better points lately. I don't really see Damdred being mafia with this play.
He's extremely focused on his scumreads, for which he provides some good points. And he also seems willing to discuss and reconsider. Enough to townread him for now, at least.
On May 10 2015 13:06 VisceraEyes wrote: I really don't like what batsnacks is doing so far this game, he comes across as trying intentionally to be mysterious and nonsensical. A style we can all pretty much recognize I'm sure.
On May 10 2015 13:25 Damdred wrote: Firstly VE, I like your batsnacks part about how he is trying to be intentionally mysterious.
Please explain what you mean in these quotes, about batsnacks being "intentionally mysterious"? What does this make you think about his alignment?
KelsierSC: Can you please respond to the above points that I made? (just the main points will suffice)
The way that I arrived at my town reads is explained in the posts so I don't know what I can add apart from a summary.
rsoultin - I have trouble reading her posts , it seemed like she was reluctant to label anyone town or mafia hence my questioning, my town read comes from the fact that if you put the effort to decipher the posts she does give reads and the fact that I remember her as a standout from n0 makes her town to me.
Lightning strike - initially i called him mafia to put pressure on him because his early posts were pretty awful, he came out and started contributing things so I moved him back to null. his business with hts being mafia then town felt like someone floundering as mafia but some people believe that it isn't alignment indicative for him to be that way. I think he is mafia though.
damdred - I mean if someone contradicts themselves it is natural to question them, I explained that I struggled to read damdred but my explanation is in the post you quoted. when i questioned him about his townread of TD it is because i firmly believe TD is mafia and if someone in my town circle disagrees I want to explain why they are wrong and get them over to my side. I'm not reluctant that Damdred is town though.
I don't feel like i'm hedging and trying to keep options open , I feel I have been clear with who I think is mafia and who I want to push on.
I like what marv has said so far, about BM . I was actually thinking that no scum would make that play because it is so terrible but the reasoning behind the play is so bad that this guy should probably die.
marv, what do you think about TD saying this, it came after you had made about 3 posts I believe
On May 11 2015 04:03 TalkingDead wrote:
marvellosity I have him as town for tone alone. It's really not worth considering him until day 2 at the very earliest and if he's alive on day 3 then just lynch him. But I will be sheeping him on day 1.
On May 11 2015 07:20 sandroba wrote: @damdred any comments on what I've said about TD? I feel that I made a pretty strong point. And regarding about me saying what other people stated I'm reading the thread for the first time and I've shared my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has adressed the issues I've adressed in quite the same way and if somehow I've missed it and they share my feelings I'm glad that they do. I'm kinda on the fence about you because you've said so much, but I can't help but feel like a lot that you've said doesn't make much sense/ doesn't add up/ looks like fake content. It might as well be that you are town producing huge amounts of BS to try to look town, which I don't think is a particularly good strategy, however the way you've adressed the suspicions saying acting scummy was all a part of a plan I'm having a hard time buying into. The person I feel most strongly about is TD and I would like you to share your thoughts on him/ what I've said about him.
On May 11 2015 05:59 sandroba wrote: @LS this post was by talkinghead if you cared to read, but maybe my formating is not the best. Anyone who read it will know that I'm very suspicious of both TD and damdred. I didn't say anything about GB in my posts but if you must know I think GB is town.
On May 11 2015 10:14 sandroba wrote: GB is my top town read so far, pretty much every single post he's made I agree with. I believe any questioning pointed towards him at this point is just a waste of space and we should be talking about TD and damdred instead.
so here you are suspicous of damdred, calling him scum want to talk about him , then
earlier marv had said this
On May 10 2015 20:17 marvellosity wrote: hey Kels. Why does anything you say about TalkingDead make him mafia, deary?
This postcount thing making people just list reads feels really weird :p I have Damdred as towny and GB as scumweird for calling him mafia and not a lot else just yet.
and followed up later with
On May 11 2015 20:43 marvellosity wrote: ok, so just read through the loltastic nuke + anti-nuke. I don't really get why people let this sort of thing slide. Also if BH was going to anti-nuke the nuke, I don't know why he did it so soon, it seems really information-restrictive.
On May 11 2015 13:10 Bill Murray wrote: TalkingDead Oatsmaster HalftheSky
I've read all three of you pushing suspicions my way When I bag scum with this (Trfel was super active last game, and is literally just skimping by posting to not put his neck out there this game) I want you all to bow down to me. ##Nuke: Trfel
BM being BM or not being BM, the bolded reasoning is just nonsense. Game's barely started. Why launch the nuke so soon? There's no reason for it. Time and time again in Ver games mafia are forgiven for really terrible in-thread plays on the basis it's too terrible to be scum. Except it's just ballsy yolo with the expectation of not being punished.
Giving posts unannounced to Damdred was also very weird.
tldr; terrible shot based on terrible reason, no sweepy under carpetty pls. I don't think this is a town nuke.
##Vote: Bill Murray Random other things - sandroba looks better than other games lately, reads are more indepth, also I like performing a sexy naked dance while his eye is on me My early damdy read good read TalkingDead lynch bad lynch
On May 10 2015 09:57 Onegu wrote: Man I really hope I get the traitor just realized I can get that. Then I can be scum!!!
Onegu may be mafia, the multiple !!! seem really OTT and follows up with this random post directed at a bunch of people with no meaning behind it
in response to this post you say
On May 11 2015 20:50 sandroba wrote: @marv I agree with all your points (BM, onegu, damdred), but I'm having a hard time with the TD town read so if you could go into a little more detail maybe I can be convinced and get over it. The only thing that actually gave me pause was that he insinuated something that I think damdred caught onto as well.
meaning you agree that dam is town now, i'm not really sure where this sudden change came from. Then you said you agree with the point marv raised on dam but all he said was that he called him town earlier , it wasn't really a point as to why damdred is town.
It would be good if you could flesh this out because it seems like you are contradicting yourself just to read dam as town.
EPT
TLDR / conclusions, if any?
since you think i can suss you out 100% of the time? lol
