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Newbie Student Mafia IX - Page 91
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The Shining
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ritoky
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I am abt to get an appendectomy in 30 mins so if hosts want to sub me that is fine but I will be highly limited for 24 hrs | ||
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ritoky
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sicklucker
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On May 09 2015 11:24 ritoky wrote: It's a classic robik vt play it was not even remotely good tho.Robik turning in his grave | ||
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On May 09 2015 11:20 ritoky wrote: I am abt to get an appendectomy in 30 mins so if hosts want to sub me that is fine but I will be highly limited for 24 hrs Hope everything works alright for you. But honestly that was a godawful town play. >_> | ||
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-Celestial-
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Half the Sky
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We're down to one scum. What has changed? Why? You didn't have thoughts on Stutters all game either. Why? On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote: I don't have much time to answer everything... I would shoot you. I'm bad at reading what people post, but I think I'm catching on to some of the logic behind moves. Why did Super get RB'd and FF NK'd? The events leading up to EoD1 have Super pushing hardest for the train to move from scott to HtS. Let's assuming our two roles are indeed Doc/Vig. Why RB Super and NK FF? I thought FF's play towards the end of the day was a bit weak, why NK him? Medic dodge?. Yes, but why? Super was coming strong after HtS (when I read it later I thought it was just an attempt to get a 2nd train - especially with how he decided he didn't want a d2 lynch of HtS.) But what if scum didn't read it that way (at least during the night?) Now, there were 3 people on the HtS wagon (one being Prpl) and one vote on Prpl (so 3 potential vigilantes to look out for). They guessed right and RB'd the biggest danger to HtS (If HtS wasn't scum, WHY RB SOMEONE GUNNING FOR HER??). Now, why not just kill Super? Again, with his EoD charge against HtS it would look kind of obvious to kill him (and there's the possibility that he had a doc visit since Ritoky + Show Spoiler + beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade Beyond that, I think SL and his "I do math for a living - trust me" is my "wtf stutters is town" #3. Anyway, been a long and hard day (had to put my cat down today) and I have a tournament to wake up early for tomorrow. (I'll recheck the thread in about 15 min before going to bed) [/QUOTE] If you still think it's either sicklucker or myself, what behaviour based actions are you seeing to draw those conclusions? | ||
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Half the Sky
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Half the Sky
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Or alternatively you can provide a baby seal which would save us all some trouble. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Half the Sky
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But I can see the wifom argument coming from a newb townie. So I want a behaviour based argument. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On May 09 2015 11:20 ritoky wrote: I cc'd dis to try to eat a bullet for the doc and cause confusion abt who the mafia should shoot I am abt to get an appendectomy in 30 mins so if hosts want to sub me that is fine but I will be highly limited for 24 hrs On May 09 2015 11:24 ritoky wrote: It's a classic robik vt play Do you really think you would have achieved anything with that? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 09 2015 10:23 sicklucker wrote: No ritokys a confident mafia he can think thats a good idea in a newbie game. And what he did is null its just classic filler to have more posts. Reading yosus filter all im sure of is that hes not afraid to post which is a town tell for a first time mafia. His logic is flimsy but he posts what he thinks. Not what his scum qt tells him Which is why I'm curious to hear his answers. What do you think is the difference between newbie town and newbie scum? I'm guessing he's waiting for answers from the mafia qt? How do you know others weren't advising him? | ||
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Half the Sky
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Half the Sky
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For sheer amusement: | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
So, we have Superbia, -Celestial- and Half the Sky all pretty much confirmed town. I might give -c- and HtS one more filter dive later on today as a formality, but I don't expect to change those reads the rest of the game. I'd like to put myself in that group but given my D1 vote and that I was pushing for Vig shot on SL other than Stutters I get the suspicion. Still would like to know why HtS says I'm parroting here, besides her I've seen TS and ritoky voice concerns about me but haven't seen anything solid for me to respond to. If you guys are still scum reading me, care to share why? I've been a little back and forth on The Shining, but re-reading his D2 has him solid town for me. I was also in the same mindset as him last night phase not wanting to dive too deep into ritoky's CC (CCC?) for doc given that discussion only had benefits for Mafia until Day phase. + Show Spoiler + -c- makes a good point, that mafia is unlikely to shoot anyone but Dis there. Still no reason to point it out for them. That leaves 3 people who I've been scumming for the past day or so, y0su, ritoky and, SL. Shoot, was going to get into better reads on them but I need to take off for a little bit. I wont be gone long, soon as I get back will be filter diving these 3 and giving you guys my reads. | ||
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Half the Sky
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First off, I said this on all the newbies and not just you at different points in the game. When you presented your reads, especially after others had made the same conclusion, it was difficult to tell whether you really felt what you were saying (or really came to that conclusion) or whether you just copied what others were saying. Sheeping (copying/parroting) in of itself is not a problem provided that you are sheeping honest town reads. A lot of what you had said was after what others had said. Veterans often (and this includes myself) get scumread for that. That said, even in my first game (student 4, link in my profile) as town vanilla, I did sheep a few reads D1/D2 and I almost got lynched for it D2. Fellow town Oatsmaster saw newbie scum in me and I was just a split second from getting hammered. However, newbie town and newbie scum generally do this a bit, so for me to make a solid case against you, I'd have to fully filter dive you and follow your progression. But given the amount you've been doing it, for awhile I felt I might need to keep my eye on you a bit. | ||
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Half the Sky
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Guess what sicklucker? Guess who tried to get me lynched on this? I also said I had a major problem with this too. Then ritoky comes out with this, which I mentioned why I had a problem with all this D1. On May 05 2015 01:26 ritoky wrote: i like hts because she is keying into the same posts as me i dislike hts because she is having opposite reactions to them. Off of one post without reading my filter he said this: On May 05 2015 04:54 ritoky wrote: wtf, this is way too diplomatic sounding. has damdred taken over your account and taught you the diplomacy voice? Then the full blown scumread - this read is very contrived which I contested afterwards. On May 05 2015 05:01 ritoky wrote: reasons being: you're noticing the same things i am but reading them opposite, you have an overly diplomatic tone that also feels forced, you're interested in a lot of things but not pushing for them, you don't feel obviously town, and your early reads were primarily summary reads that others had already made. The above is very contrived. The best part is that he uses tone to defend Superbia (when I pushed him) and then used it off one post to push me. I know him and Shining discussed that, the problem with ritoky's response is that he said that tone was my primary argument against Superbia. Actually. it wasn't. Here are the pertinent quotes from ritoky. On May 04 2015 02:03 ritoky wrote: he made one of the highest quality observations in the thread in regard to shining and i had literally the exact same thought reading the exact same thing: he is also giving definitive alignment reads instead of hedging. if i remember prp's play right he hedges a lot more as mafia. This response is straight up wrong. Could also be trying to take some attention off prplhz. Unfortunately Superbia did something similar, but I don't think he made a tonal argument against me. More or less and he's confirmed vigilante. So how do we know ritoky wasn't parroting off him? He called superbia and prplhz town. Even worse, he tried to deflect using vote logic (which I argued can be contorted to fit a mafia agenda) by saying that there's no way that two scum would be on my wagon out of three. I had argued prior that ritoky's rationale for trying to push my lynch based on tone was pretty screwy because he accused me of being diplomatic off one post. When I was actually pretty forceful on Superbia. Voting helps narrow, but I'm glad you're seeing the same thing I am sicklucker. I don't buy mindmelding at all, not on D1, anyone can say at any time that they mindmeld with people. It's something you can confirm to yourself and use to draw conclusion for yourself, but at the same time, making that a primary argument to the thread, there are so many things wrong with that. I want to stress this quote again: On May 05 2015 05:01 ritoky wrote: reasons being: you're noticing the same things i am but reading them opposite, you have an overly diplomatic tone that also feels forced, you're interested in a lot of things but not pushing for them, you don't feel obviously town, and your early reads were primarily summary reads that others had already made. I explained to ritoky why the first point does NOT make me scummy, yet he proceeded to push my lynch. Pages 35-39 have the progression of things. On May 05 2015 05:45 ritoky wrote: and there's such a tonal shift between this: and this: in terms of my 3rd point. you're actually pushing me on the points i made above, which is cool and i can get behind that. yet here you're curious and in passive voice and not actively seeking responses or answers, which i can't get behind and sounds mafia being diplomatic style. It's very difficult because I can see this going both ways on him. There were a lot of gaps in his logic as well in his SK/third party game (which is anti-town role btw, but not mafia). The only thing that complicates things is that Superbia also scumread me for reasons that didn't make me mafia either, though it didn't help RL nearly canned me D1. | ||
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Half the Sky
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1 y0su 2 ritoky 3 sicklucker I will probably go through filters for everyone else to make sure no one is slipping by. | ||
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