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Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 09 2015 00:02 GMT
#1761
disformation.
Minimal effort.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 09 2015 00:06 GMT
#1762
On May 09 2015 09:01 sicklucker wrote:
who did you shoot suber?


On May 09 2015 09:02 Superbia wrote:
disformation.



Well I lold
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 09 2015 00:08 GMT
#1763
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The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 09 2015 00:10 GMT
#1764
On May 09 2015 09:01 sicklucker wrote:
who did you shoot suber?


1 Why aren't you reading the thread?
2 You realise you're most likely up for (policy) lynch if y0su flips town?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 09 2015 00:11 GMT
#1765
Superbia is confirmed town now. So....your thoughts on y0su scumreading me?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 09 2015 00:12 GMT
#1766
Does anyone get the impression tictock's last few posts before EoN don't really say much of anything?
Could he be posting just to post?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 09 2015 00:14 GMT
#1767
Hmmmmm.....on second thought....I might stand corrected.....

On May 09 2015 01:31 Tictock wrote:
Yea, -c- I realize Super isn't actually confirmed yet. My point was more so that this post implies TMI to me.
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 15:44 sicklucker wrote:
On May 08 2015 13:55 Tictock wrote:
SL said himself
On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote:
oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia.

50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this


His math is that good guys, he doesn't need to read the thread or talk to people. Maths will save town!


just because he was the 25% does not mean my estimate was wrong in the slightest.


SL goes from being certain that voting Super is the best lynch + Show Spoiler +
On May 07 2015 01:01 sicklucker wrote:
oh ok thank I will be voting super now and never changing. This means to mean mafia will fake rb here 50-75% of the time. Probably on the higher side because super has done this very play before in his last newbie game as mafia.

50% chance to flip scum is very good odds. 75% is amazing I have no reason to ever change this

to suddenly Super being town. For a guy who has issues reading before posting and who has no real reads, he likes to talk in absolutes an awful lot.


Nevermind, I missed this. Not sure if he's really feeling this or if he's just parroting, but to be fair I felt the newbies were doing a lot of this last cycle. Doesn't always make them scum.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 09 2015 00:15 GMT
#1768
Anyways now I'm out.

One last parting shot at the last scumbag alive:

(Since Fecalfeast isn't alive to post MVs for every moment, I'll do so in his place.
<3 FF RIP.)


The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 09 2015 00:16 GMT
#1769
On May 09 2015 09:11 Half the Sky wrote:
Superbia is confirmed town now. So....your thoughts on y0su scumreading me?


EBWOP - this is directed at sicklucker - relevant quote.

On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 22:50 Half the Sky wrote:
On May 08 2015 11:09 The Shining wrote:
Yeah I was excusing the vote, not scumming him for it, and he comes back and tells me it's not alignment indicative. Felt like a defensive post, and unnecessary.

And I'd lynch him solely off of doing that more than once, while trying to direct blues without reading. I can't even begin to fathom where that town motivation would come from.


Shining he has done this as both alignments. If sicklucker is scum, it's not for this. What I'm more interested in, is how he knew he wanted to lynch Stutters and y0su earlier.

I asked him earlier who other than Superbia he wanted to lynch - he replied Stutters and y0su without any reasoning.

SL, what do you think on y0su now?

I don't have much time to answer everything...

I would shoot you. I'm bad at reading what people post, but I think I'm catching on to some of the logic behind moves.

Why did Super get RB'd and FF NK'd?

The events leading up to EoD1 have Super pushing hardest for the train to move from scott to HtS. Let's assuming our two roles are indeed Doc/Vig. Why RB Super and NK FF? I thought FF's play towards the end of the day was a bit weak, why NK him? Medic dodge?. Yes, but why? Super was coming strong after HtS (when I read it later I thought it was just an attempt to get a 2nd train - especially with how he decided he didn't want a d2 lynch of HtS.) But what if scum didn't read it that way (at least during the night?) Now, there were 3 people on the HtS wagon (one being Prpl) and one vote on Prpl (so 3 potential vigilantes to look out for). They guessed right and RB'd the biggest danger to HtS (If HtS wasn't scum, WHY RB SOMEONE GUNNING FOR HER??). Now, why not just kill Super? Again, with his EoD charge against HtS it would look kind of obvious to kill him (and there's the possibility that he had a doc visit since Ritoky + Show Spoiler +
beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade
was on that train as well and might have anticipated the danger to Super.

Beyond that, I think SL and his "I do math for a living - trust me" is my "wtf stutters is town" #3.

Anyway, been a long and hard day (had to put my cat down today) and I have a tournament to wake up early for tomorrow. (I'll recheck the thread in about 15 min before going to bed)

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 09 2015 00:21 GMT
#1770
On May 09 2015 08:42 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 08:33 The Shining wrote:
Note that Stutters wasn't on that list.


Oh shit, scum tend to ignore their scumbuddies in any reads together. That is another point against y0su.

Alright, now I'm out.


Wait, did yosu not scum Stutters either?

I was actually talking about SL in that post...He voted Super and had him as scum before the vig claim, along with yosu.

And I just revisited SLs filter. I'm back to bad town on him, I completely misread. He scummed Stutters, not Super, and made two posts about Stutters, regarding motivation for killing FF(Stutters towned him) & attacking his unexplained tr on FF. I don't think scum buddy does that to scumbuddy.

Lynch yosu. SL, can you please read and not make yourself a plynch this late in-game?
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 09 2015 00:42 GMT
#1771
huh wheres the flip?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 09 2015 00:42 GMT
#1772
oh ok i missed it gg.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 09 2015 00:43 GMT
#1773
why should i do anything shining? the other 8 players in the game besides the likely mafia all think im town. I helped push scum on stutters he pushed scum on me
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 09 2015 00:46 GMT
#1774
If you need a reason to town read me I would be conceding here.

I also tend to try when im mafia
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 09 2015 00:47 GMT
#1775
also i dont dumbtell when im mafia thats a made up read so im town for that
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 09 2015 00:49 GMT
#1776
Like do I really make that huge push if I know theres no veg in the game. Thinking supers the real veg (because i roleblocked himA)

like really guys like really? get out of the gutter
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 09 2015 00:54 GMT
#1777
disinfo super townreads me hard (i think?) the two confirms

Anyway my poe circle is pretty big. Think we only need 1 town for auto
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 09 2015 00:57 GMT
#1778
Actually I already have auto. kill yosu ritoky tictoc win the game. So ya im not gonna try im an easy townread if you wanna throw the game go for it
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 09 2015 01:02 GMT
#1779
Spoiler contains all 5 posts in yosus 5 page filter regarding Stutters.

+ Show Spoiler +
On May 06 2015 16:13 y0su wrote:
-Celestial- I see why my filter looks so poor, I've been too worried about being wrong. There's clear thoughts and direction in almost every post. I have no idea why/how he survived the night!

Tictock He's also one of the few people that expressed hesitation to jump on the "easy" train. I felt the same as d1 rookie town. I believe the way he voted was just a rookie mistake.

disformation is it supposed to be disINformation? (that's not a read on him, just curious if people have been writing his name like that on purpose?) His smiles bug me - they make me feel like he's trying to win favor. Trying to sound friendly and helpful. However, a few of his posts have well explained thought processes and I'll chalk up his indecision on learning - for now.

ritoky + Show Spoiler +
On May 05 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:
IMAGINE THIS: YOURE GOING TO GET LYNCHED ALMOST 100%? AND HTS IS THE OTHER WAGON. AS MAFIA SCOTT, DO YOU A) PUSH ON HTS OR B) GO ON SOMEONE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

gluck, hope you guys chose right. at least we got some 2ndary wagon info.
This post would have changed my vote. I'll be making every effort to be active every EoD.

The Shining giving him red on tone. Very willing to reconsider if/when we get d2 stuff he's promised.

Half the Sky beyond "holding my hand" - for which she got T (as it seems very town beneficial) - her posts show a lot of effort and supported conclusions.

Sorry, having trouble keeping my eyes open...

I'll get back with
super, prp, sl and stutters (but the last 3 at least need to step up a bit)


On May 07 2015 04:35 y0su wrote:
Superbia d1 posting was sporadic and I can let some go with his birthday. His EoD comes off as either just super rushed or trying to create confusion. His posts read like he doesn't have any aim but to get people to vote HtS in a hurry. His posts have a lot of pressure (am I using that right?) to get answers but any conclusions he keeps to himself. He also does a 180 on HtS (based on her meta - not that he survived the night) but keeps his (unexplained) pressure on dis (although as a 3rd wagon). I like is desire for multiple trains but that seems NAI

*I haven't had a chance to read his latest - HtS wanted some EoD analysis* Okay, he's gone full red with his defense of prpl. I think we can have 2 wagons without defending one of them.

prplhz more like rdhz. No d1 excuse... no filter.. OMGUS vote on HtS. All of that could change if we get some d2 out of him. I particularly don't like + Show Spoiler +
you guys need to push this hts thing btw. don't know when's the last time i saw a scum be up for lynch and then oppose the alternative wagon (well okay i sort of did that when it was me or LS in titanic but that was probably a bad move lol).


sicklucker I've been waiting for some d2 content from him... all I see is statistical claims. (one of my favorite quotes of all times is "figures don't lie, but liars do the figuring"). Since then, I've always been a skeptic and need some proof(s). "75% of statistics are made up"

Stutters695 another "no d1" case... but picking up a bit more now. His posts seem to have direction but it's all at prp without much more than meta.

So far I'm not trying to form a scum team so I'm not concerned with a red read voting another red read.
Going to be on more now and looking into d2 more critically (especially the interactions of the reds and half red)


On May 07 2015 08:32 y0su wrote:
Stutters, after prpl who's your top scum?


On May 08 2015 02:31 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2015 08:32 y0su wrote:
Stutters, after prpl who's your top scum?



On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 22:50 Half the Sky wrote:
On May 08 2015 11:09 The Shining wrote:
Yeah I was excusing the vote, not scumming him for it, and he comes back and tells me it's not alignment indicative. Felt like a defensive post, and unnecessary.

And I'd lynch him solely off of doing that more than once, while trying to direct blues without reading. I can't even begin to fathom where that town motivation would come from.


Shining he has done this as both alignments. If sicklucker is scum, it's not for this. What I'm more interested in, is how he knew he wanted to lynch Stutters and y0su earlier.

I asked him earlier who other than Superbia he wanted to lynch - he replied Stutters and y0su without any reasoning.

SL, what do you think on y0su now?

I don't have much time to answer everything...

I would shoot you. I'm bad at reading what people post, but I think I'm catching on to some of the logic behind moves.

Why did Super get RB'd and FF NK'd?

The events leading up to EoD1 have Super pushing hardest for the train to move from scott to HtS. Let's assuming our two roles are indeed Doc/Vig. Why RB Super and NK FF? I thought FF's play towards the end of the day was a bit weak, why NK him? Medic dodge?. Yes, but why? Super was coming strong after HtS (when I read it later I thought it was just an attempt to get a 2nd train - especially with how he decided he didn't want a d2 lynch of HtS.) But what if scum didn't read it that way (at least during the night?) Now, there were 3 people on the HtS wagon (one being Prpl) and one vote on Prpl (so 3 potential vigilantes to look out for). They guessed right and RB'd the biggest danger to HtS (If HtS wasn't scum, WHY RB SOMEONE GUNNING FOR HER??). Now, why not just kill Super? Again, with his EoD charge against HtS it would look kind of obvious to kill him (and there's the possibility that he had a doc visit since Ritoky + Show Spoiler +
beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade
was on that train as well and might have anticipated the danger to Super.

Beyond that, I think SL and his "I do math for a living - trust me" is my "wtf stutters is town" #3.

Anyway, been a long and hard day (had to put my cat down today) and I have a tournament to wake up early for tomorrow. (I'll recheck the thread in about 15 min before going to bed)


First one is first half of list posts. A ton of town reads, and a half/half on me. Scum has trouble finding scum because they know who scum is. Much easier to to give town reads to town than scum them. Cel's tr is fluff. "Clear direction" yet no examples. TT's tr is saying his vote was bad but it's a rookie mistake. Newbie judging newbie. As a newbie, I remember being more paranoid, not less, over a fellow newbie making a mistake like that. Dis is slight town lean. He at least used an example for ritoky but he doesn't explain how post makes him town. HtS easiest tr in game imo.

Who does he leave out? Both scummers, Super, SL. His second post gets to them and here's where it's interesting. Assuming scum knew they wanted to rb Super and suspected him blue, it makes sense that he'd scum Super and see if there was any chance for a blue mislynch. Note the effort and size of Supers read compared to anyone else's. He sets up Super for defending prpl...while setting himself up to bus prpl next read. Considering he wasn't flipped yet, Yosu seems pretty sure Super is scum for defending scum Prpl. And his reasons for scumming prpl are one liners, where Supers is a paragraph. Looks like a bus, with a nice little caveat that Prpl playing d2 could completely change this scumread. Then he scums SL off of activity and only talking numbers.

Then Stutters. Another "no d1" case, by his own admission. So how are SL and Prpl scum for activity, but not Stutters? He implies the Stutters push on prp is weak(seems to have direction [b]but[/] It's all at prp with not much more than meta.

Next post. He asks Stutters a question. Scum have trouble interacting in thread and drawing conclusions from said interactions. What happens? Stutters misses the question and yosu asks again. Then he never addresses this ever again. No conclusion. I'm not even sure he ever got an answer. But instead of doing the town thing and realizing his "nullread" is avoiding his questioning and trying to deduce said nullread's alignment, he never addresses it again. I also don't remember seeing any attempt to figure out or interact with his other scumreads, Super AND SL. Admittedly, though, I was paying much more attention to his Stutters and prp reads/interactions.

His next post even mentioning stutters is a post throwing a bad tinfoil theory regarding HtS being scum and that she should be vig shot. Who was the current expected vig shot? Stutters.

I think I just cased our gf, girls and boys.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
May 09 2015 01:03 GMT
#1780
My mobile borowser keeps crashing when I try to quote, ugh.

HtS I'm confused why you are saying I'm parroting.
I can take that responsibility.
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