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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 22:22 GMT
#1701
because i was trying to draw confusion at night (that would be easily settled in the day)?

I'd be inclined to believe i could be wrong if ritoky would have gone after dis. The only thing he went after was being NK target.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 22:23 GMT
#1702
On May 09 2015 06:48 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 06:44 y0su wrote:
god damn it.

ritoky was trying to take the NK! (and hoping dis would throw a hail marry save on him)

he didn't CC and go after dis. he was trying to protect TOWN and save the doc.



Something which was never, ever happening. I'm sorry but this is an absurd argument. No way does mafia EVER NK the second counter-claim here, especially post flip. "No rly, srsly guys believe me, scouts honour I'm the REAL Doc, he was just covering for me."

In a game with no PMs so that such an action couldn't be coordinated there is zero reason for mafia to believe the second claim here.


100% - I think also the pro play comment indicates TMI.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 22:23 GMT
#1703
Catching up btw.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 22:24 GMT
#1704
HtS, why do you think super was RB'd?
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 22:29 GMT
#1705
On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote:
Why did Super get RB'd and FF NK'd?

The events leading up to EoD1 have Super pushing hardest for the train to move from scott to HtS. Let's assuming our two roles are indeed Doc/Vig. Why RB Super and NK FF? I thought FF's play towards the end of the day was a bit weak, why NK him? Medic dodge?. Yes, but why? Super was coming strong after HtS (when I read it later I thought it was just an attempt to get a 2nd train - especially with how he decided he didn't want a d2 lynch of HtS.) But what if scum didn't read it that way (at least during the night?) Now, there were 3 people on the HtS wagon (one being Prpl) and one vote on Prpl (so 3 potential vigilantes to look out for). They guessed right and RB'd the biggest danger to HtS (If HtS wasn't scum, WHY RB SOMEONE GUNNING FOR HER??). Now, why not just kill Super? Again, with his EoD charge against HtS it would look kind of obvious to kill him (and there's the possibility that he had a doc visit since Ritoky + Show Spoiler +
beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade
was on that train as well and might have anticipated the danger to Super.


First off, sorry about your cat. That sucks.

But the rest of this quote is 100% WIFOM. Night actions in general are WIFOM. There are a load of reasons someone could have had actions taken on them, and in the absence of any knowledge, you'd presume the most townie/experienced players - should they have "blue tools" in their hands would be the most dangerous. (At least that's my thought on why I think Superbia was blocked in the absence of a breadcrumb.) Superbia was quite town, could have had protection - who knows - hence the medic dodge theory. An inexperienced player as a blue role may not know as much.

Also second argument, just because someone is town (in this case Superbia) does not mean he's accurate. It is very common for town players to scumread each other if they misinterpret each other. Superbia's push on any given player in of itself does not make that player scum.

If you're going to shoot me, you're going to shoot me for my behaviour during the day, not speculative night actions, when as town, you'd know jack all who did what.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 08 2015 22:33 GMT
#1706
On May 09 2015 06:15 -Celestial- wrote:
Except its directly pertinent to the night kills because if I'm right Superbia could be shooting the wrong person.

Explain why you outright believe ritoky's claim that disfo was claiming for him despite the fact that disfo has NOT confirmed this yet.

Compare VII (town) and this game.

You honestly don't even have to read his filter, just skim it and you'll see a remarkable difference.

If you do want to look it over, let me point you to pg 10/11 of VII. Prpl was active d1/n1 (9ish pg filter) then fell off d2/n2 when I started pushing him for the same reasons in that game. His reaction was to not push anything when he didn't have time and just straight defend him being town. Once the pressure was off he went back to low content, large quantity (not bad, just a lot of one/two liners related to the game). After the game, it made me see a larger difference in his play after misreading his meta twice (lack of defensiveness and longer posts that say less).

Dinner rush is happening, so I don't think I'll be around before the EoN again. If you shoot me no hard feelings.

Apologies for my play, I just haven't had enough time to really build a case.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 22:36 GMT
#1707
On May 09 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote:
Ritokys claim was so bad no ones ever falling for it. Makes it more likely scum


Makes me wonder if his "prp are you a role or mafia" (which he used to justify the post-counterclaim) was just him pretending to be invested in the push, but then again superbia did the same thing with me thinking I was either a PR or mafia D1. And though the latter is clearly town (and would soon be confirmed pending the nightkills), it just looked horrible to me.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 22:39 GMT
#1708
EBWOP - Basically in reference to the last cycle, it makes it hard to decide if that action alone was town or mafia motivated. The claim however (now that disinformation has reiterated his claim) from a town perspective could be him trying to WIFOM mafia, but I'm also with Celestial on this one - no way the scummers wouldn't believe the first claim.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 08 2015 22:40 GMT
#1709
Ugh.

This is why I said I'd speak to ritoky about this post eon, when the nk and shot flipped. Dis hadn't come back yet to refute the cc but I did pick up on what y0su did, though I found it far less likely and believable.

Especially since both blues have claimed. It could be a ploy to get the doc save onto him and leave Super open for the nk, instead of doc saving Super.

Of course, since it's been speculated on, scum has a better idea of what to do now. Meh.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 22:40 GMT
#1710
On May 09 2015 07:13 -Celestial- wrote:
In fact it could even be worse than that.

Under those circumstances its entirely possible town gets scared of potentially mislynching the Doc, consequently leaving both alone. Potentially leading to a mislynch on someone entirely different which would be increasingly painful at that point.


*cough*the Guardians game*cough*

(Except the blue role in question was the town vigilante. The CC turned out to come from mafia in that game.)
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 22:41 GMT
#1711
AFK for a few minutes.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 22:42 GMT
#1712
But yes, wait though.....again y0su, let's try this again, if you think the vig should shoot me, based on my own behaviour, why?
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 22:45 GMT
#1713
On May 09 2015 07:33 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 06:15 -Celestial- wrote:
Except its directly pertinent to the night kills because if I'm right Superbia could be shooting the wrong person.

Explain why you outright believe ritoky's claim that disfo was claiming for him despite the fact that disfo has NOT confirmed this yet.

Compare VII (town) and this game.

You honestly don't even have to read his filter, just skim it and you'll see a remarkable difference.

If you do want to look it over, let me point you to pg 10/11 of VII. Prpl was active d1/n1 (9ish pg filter) then fell off d2/n2 when I started pushing him for the same reasons in that game. His reaction was to not push anything when he didn't have time and just straight defend him being town. Once the pressure was off he went back to low content, large quantity (not bad, just a lot of one/two liners related to the game). After the game, it made me see a larger difference in his play after misreading his meta twice (lack of defensiveness and longer posts that say less).

Dinner rush is happening, so I don't think I'll be around before the EoN again. If you shoot me no hard feelings.

Apologies for my play, I just haven't had enough time to really build a case.


...what on earth are you talking about here and why are you linking me to prplhz when I'm questioning y0su and asking him about ritoky?
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 08 2015 22:47 GMT
#1714
HtS, the way I understood that post, he's insinuating Super was rbd to stop him from shooting a scum you, even though he hasn't crumbed a role, nor did he look blue.

And he's doing so without outright scumming you himself. Odd.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 08 2015 22:49 GMT
#1715
On May 09 2015 07:45 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:33 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 09 2015 06:15 -Celestial- wrote:
Except its directly pertinent to the night kills because if I'm right Superbia could be shooting the wrong person.

Explain why you outright believe ritoky's claim that disfo was claiming for him despite the fact that disfo has NOT confirmed this yet.

Compare VII (town) and this game.

You honestly don't even have to read his filter, just skim it and you'll see a remarkable difference.

If you do want to look it over, let me point you to pg 10/11 of VII. Prpl was active d1/n1 (9ish pg filter) then fell off d2/n2 when I started pushing him for the same reasons in that game. His reaction was to not push anything when he didn't have time and just straight defend him being town. Once the pressure was off he went back to low content, large quantity (not bad, just a lot of one/two liners related to the game). After the game, it made me see a larger difference in his play after misreading his meta twice (lack of defensiveness and longer posts that say less).

Dinner rush is happening, so I don't think I'll be around before the EoN again. If you shoot me no hard feelings.

Apologies for my play, I just haven't had enough time to really build a case.


...what on earth are you talking about here and why are you linking me to prplhz when I'm questioning y0su and asking him about ritoky?


He quoted the wrong post but Super did ask him to explain his entire thought process, read and push.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 22:53 GMT
#1716
On May 09 2015 07:40 The Shining wrote:
Ugh.

This is why I said I'd speak to ritoky about this post eon, when the nk and shot flipped. Dis hadn't come back yet to refute the cc but I did pick up on what y0su did, though I found it far less likely and believable.

Especially since both blues have claimed. It could be a ploy to get the doc save onto him and leave Super open for the nk, instead of doc saving Super.

Of course, since it's been speculated on, scum has a better idea of what to do now. Meh.


Again, in no universe does scum kill the second claim here. It just makes no sense in a non-PM environment where you can't privately set up your gambit with people you trust. The first claim is almost definitely the actual real one.

The sole way you get away with this is if there are only newbies on the scum team and they're not listening to their coaches. Which I find hard to believe.


On May 09 2015 07:49 The Shining wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:45 -Celestial- wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:33 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 09 2015 06:15 -Celestial- wrote:
Except its directly pertinent to the night kills because if I'm right Superbia could be shooting the wrong person.

Explain why you outright believe ritoky's claim that disfo was claiming for him despite the fact that disfo has NOT confirmed this yet.

Compare VII (town) and this game.

You honestly don't even have to read his filter, just skim it and you'll see a remarkable difference.

If you do want to look it over, let me point you to pg 10/11 of VII. Prpl was active d1/n1 (9ish pg filter) then fell off d2/n2 when I started pushing him for the same reasons in that game. His reaction was to not push anything when he didn't have time and just straight defend him being town. Once the pressure was off he went back to low content, large quantity (not bad, just a lot of one/two liners related to the game). After the game, it made me see a larger difference in his play after misreading his meta twice (lack of defensiveness and longer posts that say less).

Dinner rush is happening, so I don't think I'll be around before the EoN again. If you shoot me no hard feelings.

Apologies for my play, I just haven't had enough time to really build a case.


...what on earth are you talking about here and why are you linking me to prplhz when I'm questioning y0su and asking him about ritoky?


He quoted the wrong post but Super did ask him to explain his entire thought process, read and push.


Oh, right. That was very confusing. X-D
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 08 2015 22:57 GMT
#1717
On May 09 2015 07:53 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:40 The Shining wrote:
Ugh.

This is why I said I'd speak to ritoky about this post eon, when the nk and shot flipped. Dis hadn't come back yet to refute the cc but I did pick up on what y0su did, though I found it far less likely and believable.

Especially since both blues have claimed. It could be a ploy to get the doc save onto him and leave Super open for the nk, instead of doc saving Super.

Of course, since it's been speculated on, scum has a better idea of what to do now. Meh.


Again, in no universe does scum kill the second claim here. It just makes no sense in a non-PM environment where you can't privately set up your gambit with people you trust. The first claim is almost definitely the actual real one.

The sole way you get away with this is if there are only newbies on the scum team and they're not listening to their coaches. Which I find hard to believe.


Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 07:49 The Shining wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:45 -Celestial- wrote:
On May 09 2015 07:33 Stutters695 wrote:
On May 09 2015 06:15 -Celestial- wrote:
Except its directly pertinent to the night kills because if I'm right Superbia could be shooting the wrong person.

Explain why you outright believe ritoky's claim that disfo was claiming for him despite the fact that disfo has NOT confirmed this yet.

Compare VII (town) and this game.

You honestly don't even have to read his filter, just skim it and you'll see a remarkable difference.

If you do want to look it over, let me point you to pg 10/11 of VII. Prpl was active d1/n1 (9ish pg filter) then fell off d2/n2 when I started pushing him for the same reasons in that game. His reaction was to not push anything when he didn't have time and just straight defend him being town. Once the pressure was off he went back to low content, large quantity (not bad, just a lot of one/two liners related to the game). After the game, it made me see a larger difference in his play after misreading his meta twice (lack of defensiveness and longer posts that say less).

Dinner rush is happening, so I don't think I'll be around before the EoN again. If you shoot me no hard feelings.

Apologies for my play, I just haven't had enough time to really build a case.


...what on earth are you talking about here and why are you linking me to prplhz when I'm questioning y0su and asking him about ritoky?


He quoted the wrong post but Super did ask him to explain his entire thought process, read and push.


Oh, right. That was very confusing. X-D


I agree but regardless of the validity, us speculating and disproving it at night isn't the best move. Better off leaving scum drowning in the wifom and pinging ritos yosu during day phase.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
The Shining
Profile Joined December 2014
United States2406 Posts
May 08 2015 22:58 GMT
#1718
Ebwop: pinging ritoky and yosu during day phase.
Always and Never are two words you should always remember never to say.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 08 2015 22:59 GMT
#1719
That was about what Super asked me. Just quoted the wrong post since I'm phone posting from work.

Also I forgot to add this. If for some reason Super's kill doesn't happen, do not lynch him until there is a CC. If he only gets CCd in LYLO, lynch whoever CCs.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
May 08 2015 23:00 GMT
#1720

THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
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