EPTI'd be inclined to believe i could be wrong if ritoky would have gone after dis. The only thing he went after was being NK target.
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y0su
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I'd be inclined to believe i could be wrong if ritoky would have gone after dis. The only thing he went after was being NK target. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On May 09 2015 06:48 -Celestial- wrote: Something which was never, ever happening. I'm sorry but this is an absurd argument. No way does mafia EVER NK the second counter-claim here, especially post flip. "No rly, srsly guys believe me, scouts honour I'm the REAL Doc, he was just covering for me." In a game with no PMs so that such an action couldn't be coordinated there is zero reason for mafia to believe the second claim here. 100% - I think also the pro play comment indicates TMI. | ||
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On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote: Why did Super get RB'd and FF NK'd? The events leading up to EoD1 have Super pushing hardest for the train to move from scott to HtS. Let's assuming our two roles are indeed Doc/Vig. Why RB Super and NK FF? I thought FF's play towards the end of the day was a bit weak, why NK him? Medic dodge?. Yes, but why? Super was coming strong after HtS (when I read it later I thought it was just an attempt to get a 2nd train - especially with how he decided he didn't want a d2 lynch of HtS.) But what if scum didn't read it that way (at least during the night?) Now, there were 3 people on the HtS wagon (one being Prpl) and one vote on Prpl (so 3 potential vigilantes to look out for). They guessed right and RB'd the biggest danger to HtS (If HtS wasn't scum, WHY RB SOMEONE GUNNING FOR HER??). Now, why not just kill Super? Again, with his EoD charge against HtS it would look kind of obvious to kill him (and there's the possibility that he had a doc visit since Ritoky + Show Spoiler + beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade First off, sorry about your cat. That sucks. But the rest of this quote is 100% WIFOM. Night actions in general are WIFOM. There are a load of reasons someone could have had actions taken on them, and in the absence of any knowledge, you'd presume the most townie/experienced players - should they have "blue tools" in their hands would be the most dangerous. (At least that's my thought on why I think Superbia was blocked in the absence of a breadcrumb.) Superbia was quite town, could have had protection - who knows - hence the medic dodge theory. An inexperienced player as a blue role may not know as much. Also second argument, just because someone is town (in this case Superbia) does not mean he's accurate. It is very common for town players to scumread each other if they misinterpret each other. Superbia's push on any given player in of itself does not make that player scum. If you're going to shoot me, you're going to shoot me for my behaviour during the day, not speculative night actions, when as town, you'd know jack all who did what. | ||
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Stutters695
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On May 09 2015 06:15 -Celestial- wrote: Except its directly pertinent to the night kills because if I'm right Superbia could be shooting the wrong person. Explain why you outright believe ritoky's claim that disfo was claiming for him despite the fact that disfo has NOT confirmed this yet. Compare VII (town) and this game. You honestly don't even have to read his filter, just skim it and you'll see a remarkable difference. If you do want to look it over, let me point you to pg 10/11 of VII. Prpl was active d1/n1 (9ish pg filter) then fell off d2/n2 when I started pushing him for the same reasons in that game. His reaction was to not push anything when he didn't have time and just straight defend him being town. Once the pressure was off he went back to low content, large quantity (not bad, just a lot of one/two liners related to the game). After the game, it made me see a larger difference in his play after misreading his meta twice (lack of defensiveness and longer posts that say less). Dinner rush is happening, so I don't think I'll be around before the EoN again. If you shoot me no hard feelings. Apologies for my play, I just haven't had enough time to really build a case. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
On May 09 2015 07:00 sicklucker wrote: Ritokys claim was so bad no ones ever falling for it. Makes it more likely scum Makes me wonder if his "prp are you a role or mafia" (which he used to justify the post-counterclaim) was just him pretending to be invested in the push, but then again superbia did the same thing with me thinking I was either a PR or mafia D1. And though the latter is clearly town (and would soon be confirmed pending the nightkills), it just looked horrible to me. | ||
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The Shining
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This is why I said I'd speak to ritoky about this post eon, when the nk and shot flipped. Dis hadn't come back yet to refute the cc but I did pick up on what y0su did, though I found it far less likely and believable. Especially since both blues have claimed. It could be a ploy to get the doc save onto him and leave Super open for the nk, instead of doc saving Super. Of course, since it's been speculated on, scum has a better idea of what to do now. Meh. | ||
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Half the Sky
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On May 09 2015 07:13 -Celestial- wrote: In fact it could even be worse than that. Under those circumstances its entirely possible town gets scared of potentially mislynching the Doc, consequently leaving both alone. Potentially leading to a mislynch on someone entirely different which would be increasingly painful at that point. *cough*the Guardians game*cough* (Except the blue role in question was the town vigilante. The CC turned out to come from mafia in that game.) | ||
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-Celestial-
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On May 09 2015 07:33 Stutters695 wrote: Compare VII (town) and this game. You honestly don't even have to read his filter, just skim it and you'll see a remarkable difference. If you do want to look it over, let me point you to pg 10/11 of VII. Prpl was active d1/n1 (9ish pg filter) then fell off d2/n2 when I started pushing him for the same reasons in that game. His reaction was to not push anything when he didn't have time and just straight defend him being town. Once the pressure was off he went back to low content, large quantity (not bad, just a lot of one/two liners related to the game). After the game, it made me see a larger difference in his play after misreading his meta twice (lack of defensiveness and longer posts that say less). Dinner rush is happening, so I don't think I'll be around before the EoN again. If you shoot me no hard feelings. Apologies for my play, I just haven't had enough time to really build a case. ...what on earth are you talking about here and why are you linking me to prplhz when I'm questioning y0su and asking him about ritoky? | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
And he's doing so without outright scumming you himself. Odd. | ||
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The Shining
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On May 09 2015 07:45 -Celestial- wrote: ...what on earth are you talking about here and why are you linking me to prplhz when I'm questioning y0su and asking him about ritoky? He quoted the wrong post but Super did ask him to explain his entire thought process, read and push. | ||
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-Celestial-
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On May 09 2015 07:40 The Shining wrote: Ugh. This is why I said I'd speak to ritoky about this post eon, when the nk and shot flipped. Dis hadn't come back yet to refute the cc but I did pick up on what y0su did, though I found it far less likely and believable. Especially since both blues have claimed. It could be a ploy to get the doc save onto him and leave Super open for the nk, instead of doc saving Super. Of course, since it's been speculated on, scum has a better idea of what to do now. Meh. Again, in no universe does scum kill the second claim here. It just makes no sense in a non-PM environment where you can't privately set up your gambit with people you trust. The first claim is almost definitely the actual real one. The sole way you get away with this is if there are only newbies on the scum team and they're not listening to their coaches. Which I find hard to believe. On May 09 2015 07:49 The Shining wrote: He quoted the wrong post but Super did ask him to explain his entire thought process, read and push. Oh, right. That was very confusing. X-D | ||
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The Shining
United States2406 Posts
On May 09 2015 07:53 -Celestial- wrote: Again, in no universe does scum kill the second claim here. It just makes no sense in a non-PM environment where you can't privately set up your gambit with people you trust. The first claim is almost definitely the actual real one. The sole way you get away with this is if there are only newbies on the scum team and they're not listening to their coaches. Which I find hard to believe. Oh, right. That was very confusing. X-D I agree but regardless of the validity, us speculating and disproving it at night isn't the best move. Better off leaving scum drowning in the wifom and pinging ritos yosu during day phase. | ||
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Stutters695
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Also I forgot to add this. If for some reason Super's kill doesn't happen, do not lynch him until there is a CC. If he only gets CCd in LYLO, lynch whoever CCs. | ||
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