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Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 08 2015 16:35 GMT
#1661
Oh Stutters is around!

So Stutters, if you were Vig. Who would you shoot tonight?
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 08 2015 16:55 GMT
#1662
Given the amount of CC's going on, I was kind of expecting someone to CC Super's Vig claim.

Anyways I'm around the next ~2 hours.

I'll get a post up regarding EoD and the claims before I take off for work, though I'm half tempted to just see how EoN goes.
I can take that responsibility.
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6052 Posts
May 08 2015 18:09 GMT
#1663
Eh I forgot EoN is in like ~5 hours. I'll get into details after we see what happens.

Super as Vig adds up, makes sense with my current read. Stutters wouldn't be my first pick as a shoot, but it's not a bad option either.

Doc Vig setup makes sense with Supers RB claim D2. Mafia would not stack RB and Kill targets in this setup. I guess we'll get confirmation on this given the night flips, hopefully.

Not even sure what to do with Dis and ritoky both claiming Doc. I agree with TS there's tons that I feel I want to say, but that's a discussion for D3.

Also fair warning: I have a friends Birthday as well as Mothers day stuff to attend to this weekend. I will do my best, but it's going to be a busy weekend.
I can take that responsibility.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 08 2015 18:17 GMT
#1664
On May 09 2015 01:35 Tictock wrote:
Oh Stutters is around!

So Stutters, if you were Vig. Who would you shoot tonight?

Semi around. Honestly, from an outside perspective from the people in this game SL, myself or Shining.

If you know my meta, it's a bad choice to shoot me (if anything, I play way more actively as scum and put out slam dunk cases on my partners but my town pushes are laughably bad by comparison) however my inability to actually play this game/awareness of this obfuscates any meta read off of that.

SL/Shining because they should know better than they're playing and any one of us could easily be scum just shitting around doing such.

Otherwise disfo/y0su because I can't read newbies for shit.

That might be changed if I get the time to actually filter read, but honestly unless prpl didn't get lynched somehow Vigs are best spent taking out unreadables/lurkers.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
May 08 2015 18:54 GMT
#1665
On May 09 2015 03:17 Stutters695 wrote:
That might be changed if I get the time to actually filter read, but honestly unless prpl didn't get lynched somehow Vigs are best spent taking out unreadables/lurkers.


prplhz was lynched. He flipped RB. That's why we're asking the next scum....
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
May 08 2015 19:47 GMT
#1666
On May 09 2015 03:54 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 03:17 Stutters695 wrote:
That might be changed if I get the time to actually filter read, but honestly unless prpl didn't get lynched somehow Vigs are best spent taking out unreadables/lurkers.


prplhz was lynched. He flipped RB. That's why we're asking the next scum....

I'm aware. I was saying that if some shit happened that ended up with him alive, it would take something like that(confirmed scum) for me to shoot for scum over a coinflip lurker like the ones we have in this game.

Obviously, it doesn't help my case at all and would vehemently disagree with shooting me, it's better to shoot one of us than hunting scum outside that group with the shot to avoid a repeat of the d1 lynch with everyone sheeping.

Honestly, I'm not in a position to find scum yet. I'm just now catching up completely but I'll try to get something out right before EoN.

Although I'm bummed the Bolts lost, it greatly reduces my workload so hopefully I'll have more time.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 20:48 GMT
#1667
On May 08 2015 22:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 11:09 The Shining wrote:
Yeah I was excusing the vote, not scumming him for it, and he comes back and tells me it's not alignment indicative. Felt like a defensive post, and unnecessary.

And I'd lynch him solely off of doing that more than once, while trying to direct blues without reading. I can't even begin to fathom where that town motivation would come from.


Shining he has done this as both alignments. If sicklucker is scum, it's not for this. What I'm more interested in, is how he knew he wanted to lynch Stutters and y0su earlier.

I asked him earlier who other than Superbia he wanted to lynch - he replied Stutters and y0su without any reasoning.

SL, what do you think on y0su now?

I don't have much time to answer everything...

I would shoot you. I'm bad at reading what people post, but I think I'm catching on to some of the logic behind moves.

Why did Super get RB'd and FF NK'd?

The events leading up to EoD1 have Super pushing hardest for the train to move from scott to HtS. Let's assuming our two roles are indeed Doc/Vig. Why RB Super and NK FF? I thought FF's play towards the end of the day was a bit weak, why NK him? Medic dodge?. Yes, but why? Super was coming strong after HtS (when I read it later I thought it was just an attempt to get a 2nd train - especially with how he decided he didn't want a d2 lynch of HtS.) But what if scum didn't read it that way (at least during the night?) Now, there were 3 people on the HtS wagon (one being Prpl) and one vote on Prpl (so 3 potential vigilantes to look out for). They guessed right and RB'd the biggest danger to HtS (If HtS wasn't scum, WHY RB SOMEONE GUNNING FOR HER??). Now, why not just kill Super? Again, with his EoD charge against HtS it would look kind of obvious to kill him (and there's the possibility that he had a doc visit since Ritoky + Show Spoiler +
beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade
was on that train as well and might have anticipated the danger to Super.

Beyond that, I think SL and his "I do math for a living - trust me" is my "wtf stutters is town" #3.

Anyway, been a long and hard day (had to put my cat down today) and I have a tournament to wake up early for tomorrow. (I'll recheck the thread in about 15 min before going to bed)
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 21:01 GMT
#1668
On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote:

beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade


Gigantic alarm bells going off in my head about you and Ritoky right now. This has NOT been confirmed and yet you're taking it as given, is this all a big plot to guarantee that Superbia doesn't shoot either you or ritoky tonight?

disformations last post:
On May 08 2015 08:10 disformation wrote:
Kinda hyped. Looks pretty bad for scum now.



ritoky claiming that:
On May 08 2015 08:13 ritoky wrote:
thanks for claiming my role for me disform, you don't have to cover for me any more; it was pretty obvious i was trying to bait prp into claiming my role with the role or mafia read so i could cc him. you don't gotta keep it up anymore.



The timestamps show it. ritoky posted that claim of his three minutes after disformation's very last post in this thread and disformation has NOT been back to confirm or deny it.

At the risk of going off the rails with a fanciful argument it would be extremely easy for ritoky to make this claim and then you reinforce it, gambling on disformation not picking up the counter claim and thus making everyone blindly believe ritoky's claim and that disformation is "merely" VT which means ritoky is safe from the NK vig shot.


Someone please tell me I'm missing something here because this post from y0su combined with ritoky's actions looks goddamn horrible.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 21:05 GMT
#1669
On May 09 2015 06:01 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2015 05:48 y0su wrote:

beyond pro play by dis to pick up the CC in place of Ritoky, just a shame Ritoky thanked him instead of keeping up the charade


Gigantic alarm bells going off in my head about you and Ritoky right now. This has NOT been confirmed and yet you're taking it as given, is this all a big plot to guarantee that Superbia doesn't shoot either you or ritoky tonight?

disformations last post:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 08:10 disformation wrote:
Kinda hyped. Looks pretty bad for scum now.



ritoky claiming that:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 08:13 ritoky wrote:
thanks for claiming my role for me disform, you don't have to cover for me any more; it was pretty obvious i was trying to bait prp into claiming my role with the role or mafia read so i could cc him. you don't gotta keep it up anymore.



The timestamps show it. ritoky posted that claim of his three minutes after disformation's very last post in this thread and disformation has NOT been back to confirm or deny it.

At the risk of going off the rails with a fanciful argument it would be extremely easy for ritoky to make this claim and then you reinforce it, gambling on disformation not picking up the counter claim and thus making everyone blindly believe ritoky's claim and that disformation is "merely" VT which means ritoky is safe from the NK vig shot.


Someone please tell me I'm missing something here because this post from y0su combined with ritoky's actions looks goddamn horrible.

I'll be happy to discuss that in the day
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 21:15 GMT
#1670
Except its directly pertinent to the night kills because if I'm right Superbia could be shooting the wrong person.

Explain why you outright believe ritoky's claim that disfo was claiming for him despite the fact that disfo has NOT confirmed this yet.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 21:21 GMT
#1671
do you want to help decide the NK or the Vig shot?
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 21:22 GMT
#1672
Think about it long and hard.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 08 2015 21:26 GMT
#1673
Stutters can you elaborate on your prp read in depth? Like your thought process behind the entire thing?

I will be back later.
Minimal effort.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 21:27 GMT
#1674
Superbia is free to shoot whoever the hell he likes. But until disformation confirms ritoky's claim I'm massively suspicious of it. And the fact that you're so blindly accepting of it bothers the hell out of me.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 21:31 GMT
#1675
did you think about my question? which do you think I'm trying to do?
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 21:31 GMT
#1676
ebwop (don't answer tonight)
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 08 2015 21:32 GMT
#1677
I'm looking forward to the night resolution. Things may not be as expected.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
May 08 2015 21:34 GMT
#1678
So incredible.
Way too unpredictable.
Always irresponsible.
Going to be invincible.
Minimal effort.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 21:39 GMT
#1679
I didn't actually get the point of your question. So far as I'm concerned ritoky looks dirty until otherwise proven given how he's effectively counter claimed a counter claim for absolutely no reason. And you're blindly following it.

How about you think for a moment: assuming ritoky's claim is TRUE (that disformation was fakeclaiming on his behalf) and that Superbia is the vig then the absolutely optimal play would be to shut the hell up and protect disformation that night. I don't think Superbia was even looking at ritoky anyway so he was probably safe from an accidental vig shot; meanwhile there is absolutely no way mafia doesn't shoot a claimed medic, in this case disformation.

As a result mafia wastes their shot at someone protected by the doc. Absolutely the best outcome for town. By claiming ritoky only does two things. One he puts a target on his head for the mafia and two he can claim towncred by pretending to be the doctor. The former is an absurd play given how unlikely it was he'd be shot tonight anyway and that he'd get an almost guaranteed free doc save out of it too, the latter is a bizarre play but if he's banking on disformation being too much of a newbie to catch it then he might just get away with it.

Either way ritoky's claim is weird as hell and makes zero sense. And you're accepting it blindly.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 08 2015 21:40 GMT
#1680
Oh damn you guys.
Sry, I am terribly late. Had a busy day today.
I am super torn. Rikotys play could either be a super pro town strat. Or he is setting up some super weird scum strat. Since I can not be certain of his alignment and am terrible paranoid of this being some sneaky scum shit.

I did not fake claim. I am doctor. Mafia is going to shot me tonight or you guys 100% auto lynch me tomorrow.

Again: super sorry for posting this only 1h30 before deadline.
If I ruined any pro plays I was not aware of: again: I am sorry. But my whole body screams at me to post this.
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