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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 21:44 GMT
#1681
god damn it.

ritoky was trying to take the NK! (and hoping dis would throw a hail marry save on him)

he didn't CC and go after dis. he was trying to protect TOWN and save the doc.

y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 21:45 GMT
#1682
fuck. you've kept me up too long, g'night.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 21:45 GMT
#1683
@disformation: Honestly I don't care if its "pro-plays" or not. Mafia is effectively a puzzle and mind game. Deliberately throwing confusion into it screws up people's reads.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 08 2015 21:47 GMT
#1684
On May 09 2015 06:45 -Celestial- wrote:
@disformation: Honestly I don't care if its "pro-plays" or not. Mafia is effectively a puzzle and mind game. Deliberately throwing confusion into it screws up people's reads.


Yeah, I agree. As I said: I can see super confusing stuff happening d3 if mafia shoots neither rikoty or me. Escpecially if riko is mafia himself.
Again: sry, should have posted this earlier.

Also feels like another huge rock off my chest.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 21:48 GMT
#1685
On May 09 2015 06:44 y0su wrote:
god damn it.

ritoky was trying to take the NK! (and hoping dis would throw a hail marry save on him)

he didn't CC and go after dis. he was trying to protect TOWN and save the doc.



Something which was never, ever happening. I'm sorry but this is an absurd argument. No way does mafia EVER NK the second counter-claim here, especially post flip. "No rly, srsly guys believe me, scouts honour I'm the REAL Doc, he was just covering for me."

In a game with no PMs so that such an action couldn't be coordinated there is zero reason for mafia to believe the second claim here.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 08 2015 21:51 GMT
#1686
Yeah, I also think my claim was more believable than his. So I am quite confident I am dead either way.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 21:52 GMT
#1687
Like right now I am never, ever reading y0su as town for the rest of this game.

I mean lets assume this had all gone through and the little plan hadn't worked and disfo were to get shot anyway. Where the hell does that leave ritoky? "Oh, I was just messing, trying to get the mafia to shoot me instead, really, I'm innocent, don't lynch me." Where the hell does that leave anyone who BELIEVED ritoky and pushed that narrative along "oh I knew that's what he was doing all along, I'm innocent too!"

Again, this game doesn't have PMs. Therefore there is no way to coordinate such an action. Why would anyone ever believe that argument?
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 21:56 GMT
#1688
Its a clever gambit in a game coordinated by PMs where you can pull it off with people you're sure are town.

In an open setup like this you just screw absolutely everyone's reads.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 08 2015 22:00 GMT
#1689
Ritokys claim was so bad no ones ever falling for it. Makes it more likely scum
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 08 2015 22:01 GMT
#1690
I role swaped in my last two town games. Once with onegu as cop and once with koshi as veg. Its not impossible but what hes doing is very amateur and I dont think he believes it can work
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 22:03 GMT
#1691
Also I think y0su's explanation above is terrible.

"Oh I knew what he was doing all along! He was trying to help!" Really now. Again, how did you figure that out? What is making you townread ritoky so hard? His counter-claiming a counter-claiming Doc? Really?

Like...y0su is rapidly climbing my "to-lynch" list every minute I spend thinking about this. That's how bad this little gambit worked out if y0su and ritoky really are innocent here.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 22:04 GMT
#1692
a) ritoky is scum. he believes dis to be dr. he's going to nk dis. everyone is going to know his claim is false.
b) ritoky is vt. he believes dis to be dr. he tries something desperate to save dis.

which is more likely?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 08 2015 22:06 GMT
#1693
On May 08 2015 22:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2015 11:09 The Shining wrote:
Yeah I was excusing the vote, not scumming him for it, and he comes back and tells me it's not alignment indicative. Felt like a defensive post, and unnecessary.

And I'd lynch him solely off of doing that more than once, while trying to direct blues without reading. I can't even begin to fathom where that town motivation would come from.


Shining he has done this as both alignments. If sicklucker is scum, it's not for this. What I'm more interested in, is how he knew he wanted to lynch Stutters and y0su earlier.

I asked him earlier who other than Superbia he wanted to lynch - he replied Stutters and y0su without any reasoning.

SL, what do you think on y0su now?


I have had answered this like several times?
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
May 08 2015 22:08 GMT
#1694
On May 09 2015 07:04 y0su wrote:
a) ritoky is scum. he believes dis to be dr. he's going to nk dis. everyone is going to know his claim is false.
b) ritoky is vt. he believes dis to be dr. he tries something desperate to save dis.

which is more likely?


c) rikoty is scum. he believes I am the dr. mafia shoots neither rikoty nor me. hilarity ensues.

not saying that rikoty is 100% scum. But this could happen.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 22:10 GMT
#1695
On May 09 2015 07:04 y0su wrote:
a) ritoky is scum. he believes dis to be dr. he's going to nk dis. everyone is going to know his claim is false.
b) ritoky is vt. he believes dis to be dr. he tries something desperate to save dis.

which is more likely?


Okay, now you're being deliberately misleading about the possibilities. You are absolutely scum here and its going to take a hell of an argument for anyone to convince me you're not red.

He doesn't HAVE to NK dis. He can NK ANYONE ELSE in this game which leaves us running in goddamn circles for the entirety of day 3 trying to work out which of disformation and ritoky is lying.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
May 08 2015 22:11 GMT
#1696
He could just be a silly person tho. That and a newb in his first game
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 22:12 GMT
#1697
If someone other than whoever super shoots dies, i'll entertain that. you yourself said there's no reason not to nk
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
May 08 2015 22:13 GMT
#1698
and THEN (as I said before dis's counter counter counter... whatever claim) I'd be willing to talk about it in the morning.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 22:13 GMT
#1699
In fact it could even be worse than that.

Under those circumstances its entirely possible town gets scared of potentially mislynching the Doc, consequently leaving both alone. Potentially leading to a mislynch on someone entirely different which would be increasingly painful at that point.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 08 2015 22:17 GMT
#1700
On May 09 2015 07:12 y0su wrote:
If someone other than whoever super shoots dies, i'll entertain that. you yourself said there's no reason not to nk


Unless Super is talking nonsense about being vig then there WILL be two kills tonight. No way does mafia not kill someone tonight especially after this whole absurd situation with ritoky.

Right now you're pretty much my top scumread given how you're reacting here.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
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