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Other things that are sticking out to me about people just skimming through.
1 I asked Stutters to name two scumreads if prplhz replaces out. He is pushing prplhz, his action which is is 100% town. However, though he hasn't named, he is exploring other scumreads. He doesn't appear to like sicklucker and doesn't seem to like y0su and ritoky from what I read of his filter.
2 sicklucker named Stutters and y0su as secondary scumreads, and y0su for making the "worst post of all time" - wish he'd elaborate on this. Or Stutters, and why. Only issue here is that he's not pushing either of these two, or even Superbia for that matter even though I contested there were town and scum motivations to claim RB.
I still haven't gotten to read Superbia's filter from Campus Mafia admittedly but Superbia contends SL took his play out of context.
prplhz should absolutely be the lynch today. However, sicklucker definitely needs some pressuring, and I almost want to say, possibly as a second wagon.
Also don't like this quote either, this doesn't make Stutters scummy at all as Stutters doesn't know his meta.
On May 07 2015 02:10 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2015 02:02 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:56 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:53 Stutters695 wrote:On May 07 2015 01:36 sicklucker wrote:On May 07 2015 01:30 Stutters695 wrote:
Sorry guys, busy at work (catering a shit load of luncheons today). Where in the blue hell are you getting 75% from?
Homeboy might be scum, but I'm not getting how you reach those odds. 50% chance theres a veteran in the game. Mafia will always roleblock ff last night incase hes a veteran so they dont lose a kp. This is just standard mafia play and the correct play. Maybe I should lower it a bit because it is a newbie game but I know super 100% makes this play. 0-25% added because super might claim rb as mafia even if theres not a veteran because he has won games doing it before (meta) thats how I got 50-75% Do you remember what game he claimed RB as scum in? 75% is a strong estimate. That looks real bad for you (like almost have to lynch you d3 bad) if he flips town so I want to see where you're coming from. Hts just linked it. Its not me to say if you should lynch me if im wrong or not. But making mathematical mechanical game decisions is kind of my town play style and im right more then im wrong I'll check it out when I have more time, but if you're wrong you've contributed next to nothing and will have caused a mislynch based on probability rather than anything really mafia related. I'll check out your previous games tonight/tomorrow (no rush on that really since it wouldn't be applicable until d3 in this case), but surely you can see how bad that would look. Im offering you a really good lynch math does not lie! This preflip blame is hella scummy
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If prplhz does flip scum I think ritoky and Superbia should be revisited as both hard towned prplhz for mindmeld or something.
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Also I think y0su also needs revisiting. There are some scummy behaviours about his end.
I can see where he's scumreading sicklucker. But he's not pushing him.
He's saying Superbia is doing the most to confuse town though, and I can't tell if he's parroting me - would be nice to see him elaborate on his read on Superbia. And if he feels this way why wasn't he pushing Superbia?
I see he's questioning Shining before he TRs him but what confuses me is why y0su wasn't doing more to separate sicklucker and Superbia. He's separated them by association, that, but he hasn't done more (esp with Superbia) to see if Superbia could be scum or not.
The argument that y0su could be parroting also comes from the fact that he tells Superbia he's saying he's asking a trick question without thinking through why the question is or isn't a trick question (I at least fleshed out with Superbia where I had issues with it).
So those points make him look poor.
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I'll be back. More things to tie up at work...huzzah.
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Actually busy at work today as well. So not much time. A few things I like to point out as of now. Just some quick notes, I'll have to look at stuff again when I am at home in 2-3 hours.
On May 07 2015 03:26 ritoky wrote:
@disform, i will have questions when i can read your filter later. but mostly i just don't think you are so obviously town to deserve all the cheap town reads you are getting. and you seem to just accept them. when ppl town read me and i don't feel particularly overwhelmingly town i am like...wtf why you town reading me?
There was no follow up from ritoky.
TickToc: I like that he actually put out some well explained reads. But there were a few strange things. In his "case" on me he calls pretty much all my reads super weak and then calls me an impressive newbie. And I posted:
On May 07 2015 05:14 disformation wrote:
ticktocs filter is super short. Did not do much D1. Throws away his vote. Though his vote is consistent with his initial reads. Then he does some really towny looking posts N1 with explained reads and some attempts at vote analysis, which I really liked. And so far nothing real on D2, but the vote on his initial read. though I can agree with the vote. Could the N1 stuff have been done to appease people? Kinda null. Def. another player I want to see way more of in the near future.
Earlier. So am feeling a bit like he wants me to TR him for TRing me this hard. Will def. have to read his other stuff more carefully.
The Shining: probably should have interacted with him, but I was in a loop of reevaluating superbia and got pretty tired of that. So I went to do something not related to mafia for once. xD
Will have to look at what he wrote more closely, but from what I have skimmed so far I am probably willing to move my vote off him.
Otherwise I think prplhz is still the worst offender for today and I think HtS is pretty towny for how hard she was pushing me to try and decide what I think of Superbia and why I have such a hard time deciding on him.
inb4: "If you think prplhz is the worst offender, why are you voting for the shining?" The Shining was my second worst offender, so I wanted to push in his direction early, as to avoid the situation we had EoD Day 1.
Will post more stuff, when I am back at home. Cu later. 
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On May 07 2015 21:49 Half the Sky wrote:
If prplhz does flip scum I think ritoky and Superbia should be revisited as both hard towned prplhz for mindmeld or something.
Just woke up. Gonna get some thoughts out today since work + another Bolts game tonight.
Tyler "Literally Stamkos" Johnson is the best thing ever btw.
Anyway, first impressions are it looks significantly better for Rit (more null/slight town than anything) . He "mindmelded" or w/e but dropped it when prpl went afk which would be the correct call.
The biggest question imo is on Super. He's hard defended someone who hasn't done anything for 5 days basically.
It's really hard to say scum would hard defend scum for that long over such shitty reasons. And when he finally got off the defense it felt unnatural as fuck. Unless he was stalling for prpl to come back from outside information, why not just cut your losses?
I don't get it, feels too obvious almost.
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And called into work early, I fucking hate my job. 2-9 switched for 11-8 is a totally fair trade right?
I'll be here to get stuff out when I can.
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On May 07 2015 23:08 Stutters695 wrote:
The biggest question imo is on Super. He's hard defended someone who hasn't done anything for 5 days basically.
It's really hard to say scum would hard defend scum for that long over such shitty reasons. And when he finally got off the defense it felt unnatural as fuck. Unless he was stalling for prpl to come back from outside information, why not just cut your losses?
I don't get it, feels too obvious almost.
Stutters - I just read Superbia's scumgame from Campus Mafia, the game that sicklucker contended it might make him mafia here.
Superbia actually looks very bad based on meta. He hard defended scumreads in that game. He defended scum Sentinel hard.
Rayn calls him on the hard defence D2/D3 or whatever.
If prplhz flips scum, this strengthens the case that Superbia is mafia.
Activity parallels are also similar. Sicklucker is actually right.
Scumperbia was VERY active in his scum RB game in Campus Mafia. He's VERY active here too.
Town Superbia in Guardians and Down Under 2 - nowhere near active or combative. He's very pointed statements and more combative (particularly the swearing) in this game. It's tonal but it's still another parallel on top of that.
I have to look into WHEN Scumperbia claimed being RBed in that game. Here he's claiming under zero pressure.
Also in that game he's pushing lynches from odd angles.
Other players in that game found him a very hard read - in Campus, he does a very good job of pointing scummy things in other town players. Unfortunately this complicates things.
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EBWOP - in Campus, he's pushing lynches from odd angles. His push on me to create a second wagon came out of nowhere.
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I have to look at that game harder. sicklucker, do you remember if superbia claimed under pressure?
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Another EBWOP -
Town Superbia in Guardians and Down Under 2 - nowhere near active or combative. He has very pointed statements and more combative (particularly the swearing) both in Campus and in this game. It's tonal but it's still another parallel on top of that.
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Also on the unnatural part.....
I tried to point him to Titanic 7, a game that we were all in.
That game, scum prplhz is very much similar to here. Doing jack all.
Town Superbia was passive until EoD/EoN in that game too (he was veteran). He's not anywhere near as tryhard as he is here.
I asked him how he didn't remember, he says prplhz he forgot was in that game. So I know what you mean by unnatural as fuck.
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I reiterate that prplhz needs to be the lynch today.
sicklucker and y0su need to be pressured secondary. The latter especially has to answer for not really having direction.
Superbia/ritoky - not today. Revisit Superbia especially if prplhz flips scum.
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More to sicklucker - if sicklucker can elaborate on his scumreads on superbia and y0su, it will go a long way for me.
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AFK again. I have a longer day at the office.
Damn me.
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Back. Though I'll leave again in like 1h30mins. *rolleyes*
This day... 
Will give my utmost to be back at least 1h before lunch time. (typo was intended  )
Probably have given y0su too much free room for being a fellow newbie. And looking at how hard I was waffling especially on superbia I got the feeling he had the samish problem. But I slept on him for a long time tbh.
So: I'll reread The Shining, y0su, ticktoc, stutters and sicklucker. If I drop The Shining, which I probably will, I am willing to get a wagon going for one of the others, if I read them as scummy.
Also If there are questions: gogogo!
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EBWOP:
I am not good at math. I have 2h30mins.
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On May 07 2015 23:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Another EBWOP -
Town Superbia in Guardians and Down Under 2 - nowhere near active or combative. He has very pointed statements and more combative (particularly the swearing) both in Campus and in this game. It's tonal but it's still another parallel on top of that.
Wrong. Look at the point in both games were people are starting to pressure me and wanting to lynch me and compare that to here. It really annoys me. I'm only chill if the game is going according to my will.  So far it has been far from it, but I'm warming up to the prp lynch. Also, iirc from the titanic game, I also read prp sort of townie d1 for subscribing to my thought pattern, so yeah.
We should have a second wagon for infos though. If prp flips town it's going to be meh. I want 2nd wagon on someone like y0su or something. His entire town circle consisted of (town, imo, except maybe TT) people who were having doubts on him at that point in time, if I'm not mistaken. Also didn't really do much until he was pinged out, and the entire list felt forced. Like he didn't really want to accomplish anything with it.
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I'm in between shit right now, but I'll on active tonight with some game solverino.
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Oh and I also never (hard) defended sent... I bussed him really hard from d1.
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