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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 26 2015 02:45 WaveofShadow wrote: Yeah you clearly haven't played with me before and aperture barely counts pppbbbbffftttxP unless it's something actually alignment indicative of you being town, don't care ^^ oh right -_- add meta to go through to the list...i'm terrible with meta...meh PALMAR WHY NO ANSWER ME?! ^ you solve this problem for me, yes? yes ^^ of course, yes | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
dont bother with meta | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Besides that the town list goes something like this Damdred Breshke Wave Palmar Yamato Trfel Artanis From least scummy to most scummy, I could potentially see wave and Palmar swipping slots his case on yamato wasn't really that bad, and his insistence coupleled with the push looks pretty good and his ability to troll early has me having some decent feelings about him I think. Yamato has probably dropped off the most over the past cycle for me, it is really worrying that hes quit playing right now right when people are starting to talk about him instead of fighting against it. Its a scum trait of his that I've seen in the past so hes dropping pretty fast. Trfel...trfel.... I thought he was town early with his postings looked pretty decent. Now idk, it looks kind of rough to me. And granted I might just be looking at something badly here, but I still think him trying to invalidate his own read and then not responding to a longer post that I made unless i missed it still has me worrying. Art even though hes claiming earlier that hes trying not to be so posty hasn't really influenced the game I think, and honestly looks super disinterested in pushing discussion or anything related to game solving. Which is a really broad statement I know, but its just how i feel about him currently. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
I'll try tonight, perhaps. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Actually a problem I see in his filter is that he's droning on about the same things over and over again. First WoS, then the thing with me on waiting for Palmar/BH to contribute, and then on BH. He doesn't really re-evaluate anything nor does he share many thoughts on other things than whatever he's chasing at the time. Could prob lynch/10. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 26 2015 03:00 Damdred wrote: I'm totally ignoring you today Rsoultin on any list post just so you know, you are my top town and i'd never lynch you ever. Well maybe just dpeneds on how angry I am on you, i'll keep my options open just in case you flip scum so i can go see see i knew it. Besides that the town list goes something like this Damdred Breshke Wave Palmar Yamato Trfel Artanis From least scummy to most scummy, I could potentially see wave and Palmar swipping slots his case on yamato wasn't really that bad, and his insistence coupleled with the push looks pretty good and his ability to troll early has me having some decent feelings about him I think. Yamato has probably dropped off the most over the past cycle for me, it is really worrying that hes quit playing right now right when people are starting to talk about him instead of fighting against it. Its a scum trait of his that I've seen in the past so hes dropping pretty fast. Trfel...trfel.... I thought he was town early with his postings looked pretty decent. Now idk, it looks kind of rough to me. And granted I might just be looking at something badly here, but I still think him trying to invalidate his own read and then not responding to a longer post that I made unless i missed it still has me worrying. Art even though hes claiming earlier that hes trying not to be so posty hasn't really influenced the game I think, and honestly looks super disinterested in pushing discussion or anything related to game solving. Which is a really broad statement I know, but its just how i feel about him currently. If we're talking about expectations, I could prob lynch you for this post, and in general. So unrefined, something I'm not used to seeing from you. You usually bring out lots of analysis, deep and refined thoughts at some point in the game. We're like 6 days in and I haven't seen any VCA or detailed reasoning on really anyone. You cased Trfel, nothing happened and now suddenly I'm your main scumread. Why? "He hasn't really influenced the game". As for pushing discussion, I haven't had strong suspects in this game as I haven't really found anything yet. If I were scum (I can already hear the cries for WIFOM) I'd probably be pushing something since it doesn't matter what you push, as pushing itself looks good. The fact that I HAVEN'T pushed anything strongly is because of my uncertainty. Meanwhile, I see a Damdred unwilling to think critically at this juncture in the game, has made a jokey list post and hasn't pushed his main scumread all game except for a vote which he later claimed was just policy to get me to do something. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Especially when you apply it incorrectly and presume that since Marv once told you that Yamato is absolutely terrible at scum, you figure he can't have 4 pages so far and have pushed some things. Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote ##vote: yamato77 | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 24 2015 22:20 Damdred wrote: 1) Underplaying yourself is one of the scummy things that I believe exists 2) The main issue is that you come out of the gate really strong on Yamato. Heres why I think hes scum, and you line up all these reasons but then at the very read you dismiss yourself and make it seem like you aren't strong on him at all. 3) How do you know its throwing the game if you push your Yamato read forever? If you think hes scum legitimately you wouldn't think you would be throwing the game, if you are scum you know that it will lose the game for town. Hence why you just said "If you want me to throw the game for town" you said for town because you aren't town. ##Vote Trfel Posts Trfel made since: On April 25 2015 01:48 Trfel wrote: But he didn't really follow up with his other pushes either. That or he just likes to feign complete confidence in his reads without actually being that confident in them. On April 25 2015 01:53 Trfel wrote: I'm not sure if Palmar has started playing the game seriously yet or not? Can someone please enlighten me? On April 25 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Sorry, I'm not going to be around for the deadline. I'm fairly confident that at least one of my townreads is mafia, I'll take another look at them soon. Unless one of these or something else changed your mind on Trfel, why did you make a case on your second biggest scumread instead of your biggest, Damdred? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 26 2015 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Where did I do this? And no in my experience meta is shit terrible, and I am certainly not marv, one of very few people who can maybe attempt to use it correctly. essentially the call is are we feeling lynchy or do we wait for yamato And frankly by the time 48h rolls around im always feeling lynchy I want to see a flip so I'll sheep rsoul ##unvote ##vote: yamato77 Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 21 2015 12:08 WaveofShadow wrote: They were real reads before I realized the premise was wrong. And why the fuck do I have to call you town? Why are you fishing for townreads from me yamato? You're behaving so oddly, and it's not even your normal hyper-aggressive early game push that Im used to. I just wanted to wreck scum with you for once. Just once. Apparently it was too much to ask. from the one who doesn't like to use meta xP | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On April 26 2015 03:20 rsoultin wrote: from the one who doesn't like to use meta xP It's an observation, and I'm not calling him scum based on that. He's absolutely behaving oddly, even ignoring what I already know of him. On April 26 2015 03:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean that you did this, I meant that I did that. So that means you found him town earlier based on him pushing some stuff 'cause meta and now you're rethinking it? | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On April 26 2015 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote: It's an observation, and I'm not calling him scum based on that. He's absolutely behaving oddly, even ignoring what I already know of him. So that means you found him town earlier based on him pushing some stuff 'cause meta and now you're rethinking it? Basically, yes. I think I might want to lynch Damdred over him though. His list post is followed by a bunch of fluff that doesn't really say anything and doesn't have any of the intricate reads Damdred usually has. It's so unrefined and fluffy, and his apologetic tone on "I know it's pretty global" only compounds it. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
On April 25 2015 12:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I still have an issue with how he treated EoD and beginning of day as scum---like that's super shit play and screaming TMI at everyone, especially considering the explanations and posts he made after the fact. wave wave wave wave wave! can you explain what you meant here about yamato? when i first read it i thought you meant that made you more inclined to think he's scum, but on a reread it actually looks like this is why you weren't voting him back to the gloating bit about bh or what? | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
town circle shrunk to just me and palmar...? what happened to breshke? he and artie were the only two you trusted EoD1, and you've talked about artie since, but not bresh | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
he has no scumreads but loosely links me to yamato in the sense that we were townreading each other but i think the oddest part to me is his day 2 play? lol >< literally for the first 24 hours after the flip he only comments on whether or not the blue role should claim, how likely it is scum withheld their shot, and presses palmar for why palmar says bresh is his top town...like of all the things to be interested in that seems very strange although he makes it clear he's not townreading yamato, he really did never talk about him like ever...most everyone else he gave reasons for why he was townreading them, something behind his read, but not yamato i dunnae i think the fact that he's pretty reasonable and not antagonizing people is generating a misconception of how valuable he's actually been this game...the bh push looks like mostly policy until late in the day, and he even agrees that another 24 hours may be better but he's not willing to do so lol >< something seems off to me about breshke. his vote on Wave at the beginning, too, fell flat as a joke :/ | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
can you look at my post and look at his filter? (3 pages, but more like 2 1/4, shouldn't take that long) | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On April 26 2015 04:11 rsoultin wrote: okay, not gonna lie, looking back through bresh's filter it's a lot of townreads/defending people he has no scumreads but loosely links me to yamato in the sense that we were townreading each other but i think the oddest part to me is his day 2 play? lol >< literally for the first 24 hours after the flip he only comments on whether or not the blue role should claim, how likely it is scum withheld their shot, and presses palmar for why palmar says bresh is his top town...like of all the things to be interested in that seems very strange although he makes it clear he's not townreading yamato, he really did never talk about him like ever...most everyone else he gave reasons for why he was townreading them, something behind his read, but not yamato i dunnae i think the fact that he's pretty reasonable and not antagonizing people is generating a misconception of how valuable he's actually been this game...the bh push looks like mostly policy until late in the day, and he even agrees that another 24 hours may be better but he's not willing to do so lol >< something seems off to me about breshke. his vote on Wave at the beginning, too, fell flat as a joke :/ This is interesting though | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
First page of breshkes filter is dedicated to basically talking about wave for the most part. There were two or three posts I really liked on this part, the first was asking about why wave liked one vote better than another and why did he pick breshke. I really liked the thought put into this I think. A bit of overexplaining on the joke vote though that I didn't notice. Really playful though at the start of second page with me, and i like that. Its obvious i'm being forced to do things and i'm being an ass sorta especially towards my waifu, but plays along to get me involved in the thread. I really could see town motivation to do this. I also see a good bit of reasoning and thought for some of the town reads, and even the vote on BH isn't bad, its poe but he explains it decently well. Page two looks really towny to me honestly. Page three is a bit hit and miss not much activity, I don't think its necessarily fair to say that bresh doesn't have any scum reads, obviously voting for yamato. And is using a sort of POE list early when not much information is in the thread. I can see scum sorta doing this, but not scumbreshke. After reading the filter again with all of this in mind I still give him a town stamp of approval at this point. | ||
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
granted he's slow to pick up on scumreads anyway, but by day 2 that's when he usually picks up some On April 25 2015 10:22 Breshke wrote: ##vote Yamato I like palmars case don't get why people thought he ment they had to be mafia together. I think him referencing yamato not interacting with his case on WoS shows that he wasn't actually looking for an alternative to the BH lynch as from what i can tell he still didn't like wave at EoD yet failed to bring him up at all. I think this read can stand by tiself from his wave read since I still disagree with him on that i think wave is town. i do kinda like the comment about yama really looking for an alternative bh lynch, but obviously palmar's case he's directly sheeping, and i dunnae i'll have to take another look at truffle's case but i know that i commented something to the effect of yamato bugging me because of the 40 minutes between his "strong" push not to lynch bh and EoD where he didn't do anything further...it's also been said that he didn't really try to push anyone >< so while it kinda seems like maybe possibly an original thought on the surface it's really not that's also my problem with his "scumread" on bh, which was pretty much mimicking me  he first said that he liked my comments about bh's case...then goes on to rehash a few, gets told by wave i think it was that i'd already pretty much said that and goes oh thanks for pointing it out...when it was from the post he claimed to have likedi dunnae damdy...i'm not getting solid town off bresh...like you have actually had more original thoughts than he has >< you're higher on my list than him presently | ||
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