On April 13 2015 23:42 Holyflare wrote:
doing wall of text style this game
doing wall of text style this game
I am shocked.
SHOCKED.
/in
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On April 13 2015 23:42 Holyflare wrote: doing wall of text style this game I am shocked. SHOCKED. /in | ||
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I mean at the very least i can once again attempt to improve my shitty game, not that I expect to do any better than usual. How many pages can I expect from you? | ||
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On April 16 2015 08:05 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2015 08:02 WaveofShadow wrote: I have this week and next week off, so probably? I mean at the very least i can once again attempt to improve my shitty game, not that I expect to do any better than usual. How many pages can I expect from you? oh snap i forgot i was supposed to be changing my style ![]() uhhhhhhhhhhhhh tbc, probably won't last long You were? To what? And when did you say that And yeah it defs won't last long | ||
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Also HF I'm voting you when I get homr | ||
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Alright so when does this game start | ||
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:D :D HF you never even answered me. What exactly are you supposed to be changing? How is you writing paragraphs supposed to be a change? | ||
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On April 16 2015 12:09 WaveofShadow wrote: LS wanna play pictionary? :D :D HF you never even answered me. What exactly are you supposed to be changing? How is you writing paragraphs supposed to be a change? | ||
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Also loafers I immediately thought the same thing of GB lol | ||
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Sok though cause I think I have a good way of finding scum this time around. Especially scumlyflare. | ||
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On April 16 2015 21:18 Koshi wrote: oh he is a real boy. I didn't know. Well mostly I was referring to the rest or your posting but whatever. | ||
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On April 16 2015 21:27 loafery wrote: it'd be really funny if gb told us the truth while he was drunk posting There's only one thing stopping me from snap voting him right now, and I can change my mind pretty quickly. But actually though if people don't start posting this game is gonna be pretty impossible. | ||
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On April 16 2015 21:32 loafery wrote: that vote is as confusing as the koshi test Nah it's Oats :D | ||
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On April 16 2015 21:47 GlowingBear wrote: WoS is a hundred percent Mafia Oh good, this again. Hey Koshi, let's inform our good friend GB how well that went for you last time. | ||
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After being wrong about VA last game I would totally lynch him as well today, btw. So scum, if he's town you can throw your hat in here for a freebie nice and early, k? | ||
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On April 16 2015 23:58 sicklucker wrote: WaveofShadow invites people to play pictionary and another 100 non game related things die Huh? On April 16 2015 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On April 16 2015 23:24 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 16 2015 21:47 GlowingBear wrote: WoS is a hundred percent Mafia Oh good, this again. Hey Koshi, let's inform our good friend GB how well that went for you last time. Why is GlowingBear wrong? Because I am town. I mean I personally think a better question is why is he right? Why is Vivax/oither people in thread mentioning your horrible entrance wrong about you? | ||
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On April 17 2015 00:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Wave is too happy to be playing. He must be mafia. And you know, I totally wouldn't mind getting lynched if this is why you do it. In truth though, it's actually because I have time to play and all this week/next week off before a month of pure hell. | ||
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This line of thinking makes me [i]think[/] you're town 'cause it's kind of odd but towny, but then again you haven't started your weird fakeclaiming bullshit yet, which I seem to remember you doing more often as town. I'd still lean town on you for now anyway. | ||
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On April 17 2015 01:10 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 00:44 LightningStrike wrote: On April 17 2015 00:20 sicklucker wrote: Did ls play pictionary? because thats more scummy then whatever you did No we played cards against humanity :O Also the thread was dead at the time we were playing it lol. says he has no time. runs off on waves win to play other games hum... Oh actually...don't mind this pickup. Instead of creating content when nothing is going on, would rather avoid thread...hmm... I will say that I don't find it quite as scummy as you do since me, hapa, HF, LS, yamato all played cards against humanity last night (instead of pictionary which we have done a few times before) and so I would think iot very likely that he'd simply want to play as we'd played before. Don't think I'd lynch him over HF or VA today though. Or even Oats but it's too early for me to tell on Oats anyway. | ||
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HF not tryharding in any fashion is scummy, simple as that. Koshi announced last game he'd be changing his style as well and was super weird about it at the beginning of the game as well. I'll admit there is something else he has/hasn't done that's given me pause as well, but he definitely wouldn't be my first choice. Now do you actually think he's scum or do you just want him to flip out? Because not only is that annoying (whether or not it's a viable tactic) but I don't even think you can so easily predict what makes him go crazy---I don't think calling him scum is it. | ||
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Remind me later. I mean if he doesn't participate we can just lynch him for that too. We may as well lynch everybody for that though. | ||
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On April 17 2015 01:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok well correct me if Im wrong, WoS, you think that HF is scummy because he isnt tryharding even though he has tryharded as mafia before, correct? Absolutely. | ||
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Also vivax what exactly is your prodding of oats supposed to accomplish? In any other thread it would look worse because it would seem like you're shitting up the thread for no reason, but there isn't really much else going on. | ||
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Anything. | ||
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On April 17 2015 10:39 sicklucker wrote: ls has not tried to read me for like 9 games now. whatever hes pretty scummy So they're both scum? How does that work? | ||
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On April 17 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote: Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die! artanis[xp] This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p I didn't like this post because it sounded very forced and it is useless when he started to inquire WoS for talking about unrelated and not game-solving focused posting. Feels like an unsuccessful effort to appear natural Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: I think its terrible. Ill just vote gb because hes being a prick and voting a town and ill probably never figure him out Uncalled for, Unreasonable justification just to call himself a town. Uncharacteristic since his common town stance is "leave it to me, I've got all figured out!" Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 08:17 sicklucker wrote: im just happy to omgus untill one of us are dead. Makes the game more enjoyable to me Unreasonable ranting, specially towards a game that is slow but nothing bad to call it terrible and to omgus for fun. Just an excuse to vote. Conclusion: SL is Mafia I honestly don't like this case at all. It seems way more forced than anything SL has done. In fact most of what you've done has seemed forced, never mind your weird 'joke' about the QT. Absolutely would not lynch SL today. So far: sicklucker lightningstrike loafery Vayneauthority Holyflare Pretty null on everybody else. Leaning slight scum on GB/Oats. I guess that greatdeepsoul guy isn't even going play. | ||
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On April 17 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Oats it's the weekend he can't be assed to play on the weekend normally :O In what country is it the weekend? On April 17 2015 11:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah thats a bad case. Hey WoS, wanna lynch Palmar? No. Lynching Palmar is functionally equivalent to lynching almost any other lurking shit in this game, and I think VA/HF have a higher chance to flip. | ||
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On April 17 2015 11:58 loafery wrote: No it means all the prominent players are scum What do you mean by this? | ||
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And why are you making excuses for him anyway? | ||
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On April 17 2015 23:43 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 21:15 loafery wrote: quick to discredit accusations on hf. The fact that you agree hf isn't [playing his town meta should give you enough reason to suspect him yet you don't bat an eyelid. He also doesn't play to his scum meta. He's usually tryhard and pushes a ton of stuff as both alignments, which is why I never bother figuring out his alignment on D1. He's the sort of player you figure out by seeing if he pushes on town or on scum. Really? Because he's been known to push both town and scum AS scum on D1. | ||
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On April 18 2015 00:43 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm a simple guy. I just wanted to know if wave had any interest in lynching Palmer. That's it man. I'm not gonna fake something just cause everything must have a very specific reason. Maybe wave would've done something interesting but as it stands, there is nothing further inferred from the question than what it looks like. I like this answer. Wave you just reminded me of cultured mini and you are right, but what does it change about HF this game? What do you mean? | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:19 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 02:27 Vivax wrote: On April 18 2015 02:04 GlowingBear wrote: Wow. I felt pretty bad yesterday, slept mostly all day long, then slept until now today, and the thread hasn't moved much. This is the slowest day1 I've participated in TL Mafia. Maybe it's a parallel to the slow development of Daenerys subplot? You guys never fail to amuse me. At this point I want to lynch scummy lurkers Names? HF, VA, that guy I don't know And those people are who I have wanted to lynch from the start. And as I recall you called me scum. What's going on GB? | ||
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On April 18 2015 03:18 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 18 2015 00:43 Vivax wrote: On April 18 2015 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm a simple guy. I just wanted to know if wave had any interest in lynching Palmer. That's it man. I'm not gonna fake something just cause everything must have a very specific reason. Maybe wave would've done something interesting but as it stands, there is nothing further inferred from the question than what it looks like. I like this answer. Wave you just reminded me of cultured mini and you are right, but what does it change about HF this game? What do you mean? It means that I have witnessed HF bus his buddy on D1, quite out of the blue. But I still don't see him being mafia based on a change of style that doesn't fit within both metas. It's pretty simple to me. I believe HF that he is attempting to change his meta. As either alignment that obviously fits so far. What is more simple, and more importantly, meta independent is the fact that he simply isn't doing shit. he might show up before deadline with his promised paragraph to fuck things up around lynch, but what kind of play would that be exactly? Meta change attempt or not, that is not good towny play, and HF is very capable of being a good townie. I don't give a shit about his meta. HF isn't helping town. He is scum. | ||
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Sit your ass down and get in line. | ||
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Your logic of HF being more helpful as the day goes on if town however is faulty, keeping him alive as scum as the game progresses is an equal am opposite effect if you're talking meta. Fuck meta, however. We're lynching HF regardless. | ||
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As is we're going to have modkills/replacements/warnings and people ninja voting by deadline. Gonna be a good old fashioned mislynch today boyos | ||
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He's in the lower end of my scum list with oats. | ||
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On April 18 2015 04:54 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 04:53 WaveofShadow wrote: Viva what do you think of GB exactly? He's in the lower end of my scum list with oats. Lol oats??? Have you ever played with him as scum? Yes. His push on me could just be Oats being shit, but it feels more disingenuous than that. I just don't see how he believes his own 'case.' I still don't lynch him ahead of others though. | ||
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Dude's town. You can lynch me instead. | ||
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I'm either scum defending my scum buddy or scum defending a town read with TMI right? That means your choice should be easy. | ||
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I believe him. If we're both scum then why him over me HF? | ||
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On April 18 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I liked HF case and I want to try a method to evaluate his gameplay + I said I would sheep him I'm voting LS until someone else agrees to vote deep soul or loafery Something I like about this post even if I disagree vehemently with its conclusions. | ||
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As for VA, everyone calls for vigs in him every game and nobody ever does. Aperture 4 is a good example. At the very least koshi might play, VA will not at all. Would still rather lynch HF over him though because I'm almost certain he's scum at this point with his push on LS and the weak almost push on me. | ||
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On April 18 2015 07:10 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote: On April 18 2015 07:05 Holyflare wrote: On April 18 2015 07:00 LightningStrike wrote: On April 18 2015 06:58 Holyflare wrote: guaewgwehugewhgujwehew LS IS DEFENDING ANOTHER PERSON GUYS You know I defend people regardless of my alignment had you forgotten how I play as Town? You say you're only going to use meta when it's 100% right yet you defend all of these afk people using meta when you have no idea whether it's true or not. Palmar fake claiming a role (he's 100% done this as mafia before, heavyweight championship (2 or 3?) being one of them, although at a different time and circumstance completely but regardless your meta read on him is incomplete and it's scummy that you just flat out use it to defend him when he hasn't really done much at all. Saying he's an "uncc'd blue" is silly since you've seen a plethora of people claim roles d1 as mafia. GB literally just did it last game (ongoing so w/e). It just looks like you have far too much information to defend all of these people. It looks like you're trying to be "TOO right" with it to the extent where you just only believe what you write and nothing to the contrary because you know their alignments. You do a lot of ONLY defending and not much pushing people who are scum. You use all of these metas to defend and none of the meta to attack. This can be seen when you show your list with like 6 null people on it and your 1 scum read is VA who has the exact same reason to be scum as all your people on your null list but is in fact in your scum list. It can also be seen with your GB read where you town read him but post hesitance in that read at the same time. You don't use meta to pick out these scum reads and null reads and say he does this as town or mafia or whatever. Only defending. If I get lynched you better flip Scum because your push on me reminding me of your push on 27ninjabunnies in Carol............................................ Show nested quote + On March 20 2015 01:06 LightningStrike wrote: On March 20 2015 01:00 rsoultin wrote: On March 20 2015 00:59 rsoultin wrote: On March 19 2015 23:48 LightningStrike wrote: Also rsoultin! + Show Spoiler + I added you on LoL on my Level 6 smurf on NA fyi + Show Spoiler + what was the name? ![]() nvm found it ^^ hey, LS, i think this time you should sheep me, boyo ![]() also, totes not important but since you asked, eden, yes we've discussed my age before xP 26 + Show Spoiler + It was Bladezzz4 Show nested quote + On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch. Show nested quote + On March 21 2015 22:10 LightningStrike wrote: On March 21 2015 21:55 Holyflare wrote: On March 21 2015 21:43 LightningStrike wrote: Okay I woke up. Holyflare it's because I was townreading Bill despite his short filter but I liked some of his stuff esp his questions towards Eden when he was here. The fact that you were so certain he was scum kinda reminds me of our time in Carol when you thought 27ninjabunnies was Mafia when she was a Miller that game and was lackluster after that lynch. Also when I said it had be 1 at least 1 of you 3 being Mafia you don't look as bad as Rayn and Palmar esp because of their switches to BM esp they weren't giving much reasons to switch. if you thought this then why on earth did you ask me a question about why i wanted to lynch bm!?!?!?!? you should KNOW why i wanted to lynch bm if you think it looked like carol???????????????? I mean the way the lynch looked like the way 27Ninajabunnies lynch in Carol. Also you brought up that he was likely lurky Mafia and sometimes people just have a bad game and BM had a game here regardless of their pregame stuff. Please don't make it too easy. This is your filter in guardians when you were mafia and said the exact same stuff. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the absolute best case I have ever seen as to why meta is absolutely fucking horrible. If HF is town, then it led him astray because a) he believes people can't change what they say or how they act in different situations b) he doesn't believe people are capable of faking things based on how they acted in past games. (The point here being not necessarily that LS was faking anything, but that just because he said/did one thing as scum in one game, doesn't mean he doesn't do it as town in another. Nobody knows his REASONS for doing/saying those things therefore just saying things =/= alignment). If HF is scum, then he knows the above is not true and knowingly used it to mislead the rest of town. (In which case honestly, gj seriously for finding that because under normal shit TL meta circumstances, that is fairly rock solid.) I have a bunch more to talk about so I won't answer anything until I'm done. | ||
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On April 18 2015 08:08 Holyflare wrote: people who afk'd deadline while voicing opinions against the ls lynch ignoring all evidence: waveofshadow vivax (grumble) people who just flat out afk'd: loafery va thisdeepguythatdidn'tevengetmodkilledorwarnedorreplacedwtf palmar koshi look into lynching these people but I'll be posting a lot more from now on in an attempt to get people to look more towny and/or give a shit This is the worst fucking post ever. First of all HF, I will politely and respectfully invite you to suck on a large bag of dicks. If it isn't well known by this point, deadlines before 8 PM or so EST are fairly shit for me and have been for the past couple years because I have a family, including a small child who goes to bed usually just before 8 PM. During this time, I am usually spending time with said family, eating dinner, putting my small child to bed, etc., meaning I will be away from my keyboard and cannot subject myself to every whim of the players in this game. Now, I am aware you're not calling me out solely for being afk on its own, but the fact remains that I participated in the thread for the previous LARGE number of hours before the deadline when I was around, I pushed a lynch (whether you like it or not), and attempted to get others to participate as well. You show up with a couple of hours to go, AS I PREDICTED. On April 18 2015 03:39 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 03:18 Vivax wrote: On April 18 2015 03:09 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 18 2015 00:43 Vivax wrote: On April 18 2015 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote: I'm a simple guy. I just wanted to know if wave had any interest in lynching Palmer. That's it man. I'm not gonna fake something just cause everything must have a very specific reason. Maybe wave would've done something interesting but as it stands, there is nothing further inferred from the question than what it looks like. I like this answer. Wave you just reminded me of cultured mini and you are right, but what does it change about HF this game? What do you mean? It means that I have witnessed HF bus his buddy on D1, quite out of the blue. But I still don't see him being mafia based on a change of style that doesn't fit within both metas. It's pretty simple to me. I believe HF that he is attempting to change his meta. As either alignment that obviously fits so far. What is more simple, and more importantly, meta independent is the fact that he simply isn't doing shit. he might show up before deadline with his promised paragraph to fuck things up around lynch, but what kind of play would that be exactly? Meta change attempt or not, that is not good towny play, and HF is very capable of being a good townie. I don't give a shit about his meta. HF isn't helping town. He is scum. Now, while I'd like to blame all the people who blindly sheeped his meta case, I can't for multiple reasons. First of all, it looked good. Second, I wasn't around to strongly attempt to steer the lynch back into him or at the very least off of LS who I was fairly sure was town, and like HF rightly said I didn't offer much proof as I was busy at the time and couldn't post in large amounts. Vivax attempted to do so for me, and I have to admit the fact that his thoughts are fairly in sync with mine around lynch time and after scares me just a little bit. I think I can count one game I've ever played with Vivax where I've trusted him. Regardless, I trust him for now. The fact remains LS was not a good lynch in my eyes simply because I've now played with him outside of mafia a few times and I think I have an idea of what the guy is like. His posting seemed absolutely genuine when you know what kind of a personality LS has. On April 18 2015 06:22 LightningStrike wrote: Holyflare you realized I hate playing as scum you should know this esp after what happened in Guardians -_- You got Paranoia or are you drunk? This one especially. I can envision him actually saying this, and it's genuine. I wasn't able to express that earlier and I'm sorry for that; yes I have a hand in the mislynch along with everyone else even though I never would have voted him. | ||
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GlowingBear On April 18 2015 05:12 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 05:06 Vivax wrote: GB have you stopped thinking that SL is mafia? Nope, the more I think about it, the more I see him as Mafia. And I had WoS as a null (some posts felt townish, other mafiaish), but I'm having a hard time believing town WoS would really believe drunk GB would be dumb enough to say he has a qt in a mason-less game and really mean it, and that he really wouldn't realise I was trying to develop discussion in this discussion-less thread. On April 18 2015 06:03 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote: LightningStrike ^ Read his filter First and foremost the entirety of his first page contains not only basic one liners, which is pretty uncharacteristic for LightningStrike, but also a distinct lack of meta (why would he be trying to change this I do not know but regardless of what he's trying to change his filter is contentless). It is defensive over the cards against humanity/teamspeak thing which fair enough might be the same of any alignment but then it contains attempts to try and scum hunt which just don't look like any kind of town scum hunting that I can think of, examples being: + Show Spoiler [ scummy gb pushing] + On April 17 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote: Did GlowingBear claimed Mafia with Artanis? On April 17 2015 04:35 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 03:55 GlowingBear wrote: On April 17 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote: Did GlowingBear claimed Mafia with Artanis? Nope, dear LS, I claimed having a qt with him There is no masons in this game therefore you must be Mafia for having a qt with him! ##Vote: GlowingBear On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote: OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt" lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner? After the last quote GB is clearly joking and makes it clear with the following quote below, however, in an attempt to actually try and continue his "fitting in" he continues to push this point AS SCUMMY. + Show Spoiler [continuing to push this non-point] + On April 17 2015 05:38 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 05:32 GlowingBear wrote: On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote: On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote: OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt" lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner? *hint* it strikes when a storm happens Not me I not Mafia and you know that. On April 17 2015 09:18 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 07:02 Palmar wrote: On April 17 2015 06:07 LightningStrike wrote: On April 17 2015 06:03 Palmar wrote: ![]() Hey Palmar thoughts about the game so far? I haven't read it. Can I just have the same thoughts as you? Ya because GB claimed to have a QT with Artanis and there is no masons in this game therefore they both scum together :O On April 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote: You're mafia. Otherwise I would just policy lynch sicklucker Day 3 out ![]() Then SL tells ls that GB was joking and ls says "oh I can't read sarcasm" which was the most disingenuous (maybe second most to wave pushing this gb qt shit) in the game. Following up from these quotes of silly trying to fit in the other classic scum tell is his defense of all these players that constantly keeps happening (just saw he posted a list with lots of town reads somehow too): + Show Spoiler [sl defence] + On April 17 2015 10:55 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote: On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote: Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die! artanis[xp] This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p I didn't like this post because it sounded very forced and it is useless when he started to inquire WoS for talking about unrelated and not game-solving focused posting. Feels like an unsuccessful effort to appear natural On April 17 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: I think its terrible. Ill just vote gb because hes being a prick and voting a town and ill probably never figure him out Uncalled for, Unreasonable justification just to call himself a town. Uncharacteristic since his common town stance is "leave it to me, I've got all figured out!" On April 17 2015 08:17 sicklucker wrote: im just happy to omgus untill one of us are dead. Makes the game more enjoyable to me Unreasonable ranting, specially towards a game that is slow but nothing bad to call it terrible and to omgus for fun. Just an excuse to vote. Conclusion: SL is Mafia Sicklucker can do your 2nd point regarding the "leave it to me I got all figured out" as both alignments. Point #1 was regarding Student VI when both Artanis and Sicklucker rolled scum together and Artanis gave up Day 2 idk how it seems forced? 3rd point yeah it might be unreasonable ranting but I kinda hate how slow the game is. I think it's easier to read sicklucker as either alignment around Day 2 to Day 3 area when it becomes painfully obvious when he's scum. + Show Spoiler [scummy palmar defense] + On April 17 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Oats it's the weekend he can't be assed to play on the weekend normally :O On April 17 2015 12:06 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: So what's his excuse for yesterday then? And why are you making excuses for him anyway? He prob forgot this game was going on lol. Also I <3 Palmar. On April 17 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote: Well Palmar is unCCed blue so he's town for that. saying un cc'd blue is equally silly especially as people outline why not to trust it and he says he wants to use meta only when "100% right" but uses it all the time to defend all of these people 10/10 I really thought he was confused and he is newbie after all, so WoS pushing the matter was more damning than him. But continuously pushing the matter looks forced. I'd lynch I absolutely didn't feel GB was trying to generate discussion in the thread by calling me scum right away and drunkposting stupid shit about a qt. My exposure to drunk mafia players is raynpelikoneet, and that should say it all, to be honest. It may not be likely, but I certainly find it possible that a drunk GB got online and acted like an idiot, softclaiming scum in thread either as some sort of brag for end of game or because he was just drunk. As such suspicions on him were open from the start. As the thread progresses I continually speak with him, continue to refer to him calling me scum but he doesn't seem to want to cement a read on me one way or the other. I was leaning scum on him as I stated earlier. On April 18 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote: Ok I liked HF case and I want to try a method to evaluate his gameplay + I said I would sheep him I'm voting LS until someone else agrees to vote deep soul or loafery The above quote gave me pause because although it could be bullshit, I'm not so sure mafia talks about methods of analysis. It's not of a scum mindset to really think about that kind of stuff. He later continues to bring it up in thread without actually elaborating which HF himself points out which loses him a couple of those points. Ultimately I'm right back where I started on him. Likely 3rd scum, especially given the sheeping of HF at the end of the day which was done in the most lick-his-boots way possible. | ||
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On April 18 2015 07:36 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 07:31 Holyflare wrote: i'm actually BOGGLED why nobody is voting ls or even TALKING ABOUT HIM Listen up, I talked about LS, I asked him about his shit. I didn't afk half of D1 only to come back at EoD to act like I have the super confidence about him. I reached two conclusions: - I don't trust you given the way you have played out this day. - I decided on my own that LS is not posting in the nervous mafia way he was in Guardians. BUT, he posts a lot of bs in my opinion. That doesn't make him mafia. I was successful in tone reading him and I will keep doing that. In summary, I want to lynch Koshi for what Artanis said, for afking, and on top of it I don't like the way he seems to play along with me which is something I'm not used to from him. He took sides with me in the Oats matter for example when as town it seems to be his life's task to tunnel me into oblivion. I have yet to witness the exception. I'd just like to say I fucking love this post. Absolutely love it and it's this post and one other that adds Vivax to my town list for the time being. No reason to think otherwise, even considering his desire to lynch Palmar at EoD (becuase anyone who has played with Palmar and/or Vivax should probably understand that desire). loafery While I did think the initial burst of activity when there was no need to have any activity considering the lurky state of the rest of town was towny, the fact that he/she/it afked the rest of the day completely while sheeping my vote onto HF just looks like absolute ass. I still don't udnerstand what this was referring to, who loafery thought was 'prominent' at the point in the thread. On April 17 2015 11:58 loafery wrote: No it means all the prominent players are scum On April 17 2015 12:37 loafery wrote: The ones u think should be posting who arent are scum Could be scum simply latching on to me since they're new and assumed I'm one of the better townies skillwise due to my activity (and I'm well aware I'm not). Downgraded to slightly scummy side of null. We'll see what the next day brings. | ||
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On April 18 2015 10:39 Holyflare wrote: So what was the point of that post? I said you defended ls based on absolutely nothing and were MORE than sarcastic when I politely asked you to give your reasons why he was town. Instead you just said I'm definitely even more confirmed mafia now that I've returned EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID THE CASE WAS GOOD???? You basically just made a post whining about meta and a post saying how good your ls read was and none of that talks about who is mafia in the slightest. All I know is that you think I am mafia for - no reasons - regardless of when I turn up it makes no difference to my alignment, I literally just did the same thing in the last game I played and it has nothing to do with meta or anything I was just busy so gloating means absolutely nothing. I didn't say the case was good, I said it was convincing, especially to the people who think meta is the be-all-end-all----namely fucking everybody. If you want me to post about you, fine. Here's my problem with you. You afk all day only to come back to steer the lynch off of yourself exactly to where you want it, and a player flips town. The method in which you did so was fairly admirable for the most part, except for the entire section where you call me scum and attempt to discredit everything I had done in thread thus far (along with GB in a vastly inferior way) and then don't bother to push me any further despite the fact that it logically makes way more sense to do so. If I'm scum you already have a few players on me, and considering the way I was defending LS it might be possible to learn a little something with my flip. If you're town. You never answered my question. Why did you push LS over me? | ||
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On April 18 2015 10:53 Holyflare wrote: I don't lynch people for information I lynch people who i think are scummy and have convincing cases on. It didn't help at all that he just rage quit the thread and didn't converse with me in the slightest while afking his vote on me and making me the highest wagon/with artanis. Fair points, I'm simply more concerned with why you chose him over me to push at the time you did. I am well aware you wrote a hgue case on him and a little one on me, which means you essentially 'chose' him. | ||
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On April 18 2015 10:56 Holyflare wrote: Like let's say for arguments sake that I'm town and I've been busy all day and I'm aggressive holyflare that likes getting his way and I come home and read the thread and want to give my thoughts/push my lynch. How do I go about what I did in any other way whatsoever? My case was pretty damn convincing to myself and had not really anything to do with meta in the slightest. The meta was just the back up to whatever it was that I was saying and pushed me over the edge AFTER I had already made the case and thought he was mafia. Yes, the first section of your case was considerably less meta-based even though there absolutely IS meta in it. Did you read what I wrote about LS though? I'm assuming none of that came across to you? | ||
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What do you think of my other reads? I should add I still think SL is town and upgraded Oats to null-maybe. | ||
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On April 18 2015 10:59 sicklucker wrote: Does anyone else feel like vivax just wants to lynch people out of spite based on previous game? Because I do that might be townie for vivax tho If 'previous' is 'ongoing' stop talking about it. You did that once in the thread already. | ||
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I don't feel confident in my ability to read VA anymore whatsoever, and the guy almost never gets lynched or shot so that's a bunch of trouble. Palmar/Koshi need to actually play to get a read on them and they all but outright refuse to. I think I know who your 'other' is, but whatever. Oh and on that note, one of the reasons I absolutely hate your list of afk/scummy lurkers is you called me out for the same shit when my scumreads were primarily you/VA. My reasons may not have been rock solid or fleshed out at the time but they were reasons nonetheless and then you call for us to lynch into a group of scummy lurkers with no reasoning after giving me shit about it? Like you call that shit 'easy' and then what the hell do you go and do? Come on. | ||
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On April 18 2015 11:07 Holyflare wrote: GB just because people are calling you mafia doesn't mean you get to jump down their throats while they discuss it. Respectfully ignore it and push some mafia reads instead. No no, I'm fine with him elaborating here. I can hold two conversations at once, though I agree he needs to do something besides push SL and/or sheep. What did I say that makes me full of shit, exactly? | ||
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HF what makes you think GB is town? | ||
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On April 18 2015 11:34 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + Oh and on that note, one of the reasons I absolutely hate your list of afk/scummy lurkers is you called me out for the same shit when my scumreads were primarily you/VA well your reads were surface level and on afkers whereas that list had nothing to do with who was scummy and was "look at these shit people", it's also weird/scummy that you had no input to my thing other than to be sarcastic and try and do some shit lynch me or him crap instead of just telling me why my points were wrong and you thought he was town, I even went to try and prove your points wrong but you just ignored it and went away now I have gb + afkers and one of those is based on reasons but at least I HAD reasons/cases on people at the time whereas yours wasn't critical thinking at all Yeah and look where critical thinking got us. Sometimes you gotta go with barebones and feels. The shit 'me or him' lynch crap actually had direction but I couldn't flesh it out at the time as I was super busy and then had to go. | ||
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So GB/afkers tomorrow? Because rarely is a scum team made up simply of afkers, though I suppose in this case it COULD explain the extremely low content. Oh and that reminds me of something i have to look at. | ||
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Ehh....actually I still kind of want to do stuff in thread but I don't know that there is much more to do atm. I had an idea earlier that most of the people showing up at the start of the game and doing stuff would be town because scum would have zero reason to bother with such an atmosphere (no one being able to do anything about the sheer amount of lurk, for example) but I don't think it really applies well. | ||
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![]() If you're looking to Shadow Game as an example, you probably shouldn't since he was suspected almost the entire game and his reads were bad. I don't remember about you posting weird shit day one, and I don't remember Russia mafia. I'll look it up. Yes, you're right generating discussion by having people suspect you is a shit way to play scum, hence the 'me thinking you're drunk and playing like shit.' Just because you were successful on a YOLO switch on an afk player once upon a time doesn't all of a sudden make you the Drunken Master of mafia. My reason for thinking you might be town is not absurd in the slightest and you get no points for being a good little boy and attempting to negate townpoints on yourself. I also don't see how you think I'm being wishy washy when I flat out say you're likely 3rd scum. The problem with your counterpoints to mine is that most of them are based on what you think my knowledge of you should or shouldn't be, and not only do you have no way to prove it one way or another, but that wouldn't matter to me at all since I am very well aware of what I am thinking and what I know/don't know/have forgotten. | ||
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On April 18 2015 12:20 Holyflare wrote: gb is 10000000000000000% mafia Well that's a nice upgrade to the Koshi method of scumhunting. Care to elaborate? | ||
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Like anything at all. As it stands you announcing all you're going to do is sheep HF makes me want to lynch you. And God help me I might feel a little better about HF and I hate myself for it. | ||
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At the very least i need to not tunnel him completely all game without looking back objectively. One major issue I have with my own scum narrative on him is the meta case on LightningStrike. I can't tell what is more likely from HF; that he truly believed what he wrote about LS and meta in general or he found that meta as scum perfectly knowing it would essentially put the nail in LS's coffin due to those similarities. | ||
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Talk about me being scum. Talk about vivax. Talk about koshi being useless. Talk about the afkers. Anything. | ||
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On April 19 2015 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2015 03:01 Koshi wrote: WoS is most likely mafia and I will park his vote on him tomorrow. I didn't know there were politicians in this game. Artanis are you voting koshi tomorrow? What do you think of his first and only contribution to the game bring that I'm scum? | ||
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On April 19 2015 03:01 Koshi wrote: WoS is most likely mafia and I will park his vote on him tomorrow. One of these games koshi you'll learn. Someday. | ||
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On April 19 2015 03:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2015 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 19 2015 03:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 19 2015 03:01 Koshi wrote: WoS is most likely mafia and I will park his vote on him tomorrow. I didn't know there were politicians in this game. Artanis are you voting koshi tomorrow? What do you think of his first and only contribution to the game bring that I'm scum? I will not talk about reads until EoN since that's pretty close anyway. I personally don't see that advantage in that at this point but fine. | ||
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On April 19 2015 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2015 03:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Anything, oats. Talk about me being scum. Talk about vivax. Talk about koshi being useless. Talk about the afkers. Anything. why do I have to do "stuff", Im not the one complaining. As town, are you happy with the state of the game right now oats? Do you feel town stands a good chance to win based on how things have been going? Because I do not. | ||
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On April 19 2015 03:41 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2015 02:25 WaveofShadow wrote: After my conversation with him last night. That is a weakness of mine though and we'll see what the next day brings. At the very least i need to not tunnel him completely all game without looking back objectively. One major issue I have with my own scum narrative on him is the meta case on LightningStrike. I can't tell what is more likely from HF; that he truly believed what he wrote about LS and meta in general or he found that meta as scum perfectly knowing it would essentially put the nail in LS's coffin due to those similarities. It bothers me that you made two posts on holyflare, clearly being suspicions of him, but never saying he is scum. Then you engage in a conversation as you've never been suspicious of him. It sounded like you both started the conversation with the objective of you dropping your suspicions on him. Lol nothing is enough for you. I call him scum all day and that's not good. Then I try and evaluate my read and that's not good either. You koshi and oats can all have a field day with me tomorrow if you like, but I'm not going anywhere, nor am I going to back down and give up like in recent games. At the very least I'm going to fucking try even if it doesn't get us anywhere because I'm sick of it. | ||
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On April 19 2015 04:34 Vivax wrote: HF and SL both acting scummy since EoD by insisting on false representations of me + all the other stuff me and Wave said, him saying that anyone not voting LS was scummy etc., he should know better than that. IIRC he also said he didn't post cause strategy and this night he said he didn't post cause busy, so what now? SL shows zero distrust towards people who afkd on Artanis and didn't post shit at EoD and instead says I'm afraid to hammer people when I couldn't and instead kept pushing my preferred lynch. This seems like the sort of push where he'd either say that me not hammering is scummy, or as displayed during the night he says I spitevote people, which means that if I hammered he'd probably say I'm scummy for hammering somebody I wasn't pushing. Really sketchy stuff especially since he was one of the people being afk most of the time and then instantly joining HF on LS and blowing into the same trumpet with him regarding people who didn't vote LS, skipping over the stuff they already said in my case. Wave is most likely town, I'll go with Oats being town, and with Artanis being town cause the latter showed many preferences at EoD and pretty much wanted to vote the same people as me. I just wonder why he was so trusting of HF cause given how he played out D1 that's something I don't see as rational. I actually forgot about the afk votes on Artanis. That alone is a good reason for Artanis being town I think. Who were the afk votes on him again? SL/Koshi/Palmar huh? Hmm. Maybe I would lynch Koshi tomorrow. Still don't think SL is scum though Vivax based on D1 play. | ||
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On April 19 2015 04:45 Vivax wrote: SL's read on Artanis is quite shady, it stopped the moment he voted LS apparently. No post-flip reconsideration from SL on this part. He said he'd unvote him if he voted LS and now that LS flipped town, what is Artanis to SL? Some of the way he went about things regarding Artanis does seem super sketchy, I will agree. Tonewise though he seems completely carefree and his reads and ideas change very fluidly. I dunno he's just not self-conscious of where his votes end up or what he says in game (his reaction towards the Palmar claim being contradictory for example). I also agreed with his calling out of HF's terrible list here. On April 18 2015 08:11 sicklucker wrote: like that list hf just made. ww just wow... If you two are mafia im going to help you win to spite my town team At the very least if you're not willing to budge I think there are many more/better targets to consider first. | ||
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On April 19 2015 08:41 Onegu wrote: I was RB. WoS why did you thought dump so early into night 1? Because I'd rather some discussion take place than none, and because there is absolutely no reason not to. Every single scum team I have ever been on decides on their night actions independently of what players' end of night reads are, especially a player like me who would never be night killed regardless. Why have you done nothing so far despite being in the game for ages? | ||
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On April 19 2015 09:09 Onegu wrote: Plus I have claimed town and that I was RB last night. Well good I guess that means we win the game then! No reason for anyone to do anything guys, onegu claims town and was roleblocked. | ||
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On April 19 2015 09:16 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 05:36 WaveofShadow wrote: GB until you explain what exactly you meant by QT, many people (me included ) have very good reason to assume it's a mafia QT. Also vivax what exactly is your prodding of oats supposed to accomplish? In any other thread it would look worse because it would seem like you're shitting up the thread for no reason, but there isn't really much else going on. Also why did you not think this was trolling? I've explained this multiple times in thread Onegu. And if you're going to call me scum come right out and do so. It didn't stop the rest of the derps in here. | ||
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On April 19 2015 09:28 Onegu wrote: Like I think GB town, HF town, Vivax scum. I kinda agree with the loafery post but yah. LIke the post you like on Vivax is the one I dont like. Like you admit yourself that HF case was good. It was good. "- I decided on my own that LS is not posting in the nervous mafia way he was in Guardians. BUT, he posts a lot of bs in my opinion. That doesn't make him mafia. I was successful in tone reading him and I will keep doing that." Like this is the part I really dont like. Not reading if you think that's what I said. And as far as Vivax's read of LS, I find it to be spot on. I've gotten to know LS a little better in recent weeks and I see exactly where he is coming from. Why do you think GB and HF are town? HF MAYBE I can understand despite his impeccable timing especially since I'm not likely to want to lynch him today either, but I'd like to know what you like about GB exactly. | ||
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On April 19 2015 09:29 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2015 09:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Well then who IS scum Onegu? And as far as Artanis goes, I'm fine to sheep his read at this point. We'll see where it goes. ##vote: Koshi The only problem I have with this is he only says its a OMGUS read and that he is going to pursue his lynch day 2. Would be more agreeable to lynch his second scum read in loafery He has other reasoning for it which comes in a little later which involves something about the method in which all the afk lurkers posted, not that I agree with that. Honestly, the afk vote on Artanis is pretty damning in and of itself when you consider that Koshi hasn't done dick all, and if you also want to throw in meta, go look at ANY Koshi towngame in existence. I personally don't need the meta to be convinced, and I trust Artanis as he is a better player than I am for the most part. | ||
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On April 19 2015 09:44 Onegu wrote: rolled vivax The guy you just told me was probably scum. | ||
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On April 19 2015 09:50 Onegu wrote: plus I redacted my read on him Lol it really didn't take much convincing to make you redact about everything you came into thread with, did it? Alright someone else can take over I'm done for now. Onegu PROBABLY town for this but just...ugh. | ||
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On April 19 2015 17:22 sicklucker wrote: If im seer/mesandra my n1 is va green I really wish you would do this. Now as for 'people who pushed palmar' I follow your logic on GB and agree with it but the only other person who you exclaim 'looks worse' for pushing him should be vivax and yet you don't mention him. Wouldn't mind your thoughts. Also who do you think the rest of the scum team is right now? | ||
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Actually I missed that part. How in the shit do you think Artanis is the vig shot? And considering we basically know the second kill was a town shot, what does claiming accomplish? | ||
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On April 19 2015 23:58 Holyflare wrote: none Useful. Alright until other people really feel like contributing I'm done. I just don't see the point. | ||
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On April 20 2015 00:56 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On April 19 2015 23:23 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 19 2015 17:22 sicklucker wrote: If im seer/mesandra my n1 is va green I really wish you would do this. Now as for 'people who pushed palmar' I follow your logic on GB and agree with it but the only other person who you exclaim 'looks worse' for pushing him should be vivax and yet you don't mention him. Wouldn't mind your thoughts. Also who do you think the rest of the scum team is right now? I just read vivax pretty well gb not so much. Id have to reread vivax but his filters pretty big so im giving him more time That should say I really wish you wouldn't do this. I hate all your claiming bullshit. And there's no way you actually believe Palmar is the mafia shot here if you have any idea of anything going in thread at all. So the question is now have you just scummed the fuck out, or are you pulling more stupid bullshit? Better come clean SL because there were things other people pointed out that I was willing to overlook but this is getting ridiculous the way you're pushing something so obviously stupid. | ||
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On April 20 2015 01:30 Holyflare wrote: Why do i care how i look? I want to lynch the guy that isn't playing the game he signed up for over my scum reads. Problem with this is twofold. First of all, I'd at least like to [i]attempt[/] to win despite the absolute ridiculous magnitude of uselessness in this thread. Solely lynching the people who aren't playing won't necessarily do that for us unfortunately. (I feel like it's 2013/2014 again before you started playing HF. I felt like this every goddamn game where there were just shit tons of people who just didn't fucking play---this game in actuality is probably a great deal worse than those given the post count) Secondly, at the very least I feel like Koshi might flip scum. Do you not? | ||
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On April 20 2015 01:49 Oatsmaster wrote: lets kill koshi man. On April 19 2015 23:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Also interesting that there were at least three people who said they'd be voting me today and none of them have. So I'm voting your presumed scumread and you're ok with this? | ||
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And no, not lynching Onegu for that absolutely abysmal peformance last night. With Onegu it's pretty much a crapshoot I think. I don't think he plays this poorly as scum tbh so I'll go with shit town for now, though I know it's possible. I think overall we just have to get lucky because people just don't care about trying to look towny in this game or solve it. Real easy scum win unless we get lucky and happen to the lynch into the right shitters for the first little bit. | ||
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On April 20 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote: Kind of agree with a lot of what onegu says I asked you to read over that and you said you had nothing to say about it. What do you agree with? You ignore the fact that he retracts all his statements after I discuss shit with him? | ||
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On April 20 2015 02:09 sicklucker wrote: I just refuse to believe someone shot palmer one of the best players in the game when he didnt even play. Its more likely they incorrect found something scummy in artanis. Ill bet you any money im right at 1:1 odds. of course the bet does not count if were mafia or the veg You either haven't been around long enough, you're bullshitting, or you're scum. When somebody doesn't play, that doesn't make them the best player in the game. I've let marvellosity live when I was scum before when he wasn't doing shit. I'll even spell it out for you SL. There is literally ZERO reason for scum to shoot Palmar a) since there were attempts to lynch him D1 and he could be a potential mslynch target going forward b) he made it very clear he wasn't going to try and solve the game c) even IF scum were afraid he would pick up his play at some point going forward, he's not nearly as big of a threat as town artanis, or town HF, for example. | ||
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On April 20 2015 02:12 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2015 02:10 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 20 2015 02:09 Holyflare wrote: Kind of agree with a lot of what onegu says I asked you to read over that and you said you had nothing to say about it. What do you agree with? You ignore the fact that he retracts all his statements after I discuss shit with him? This is nothing to do with his interaction with you just the things he poses to the thread. Vivax looking scummyish but not when reading but still kind of is. You calling me scum but saying things that made me town. Just good observations that i agree with. I'd call them 'observations' but not good ones. No insight as to what I or Vivax are actually thinking/doing. And I showed him as such. Either way we don't lynch him. | ||
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On April 20 2015 02:20 Koshi wrote: What do I have to do to not get lynched? A) not be scum B) play the game C) All of the above Correct answer + Show Spoiler + C | ||
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On April 20 2015 02:26 Holyflare wrote: thank you for the continued narrative of your afking scummy life So....who is your scumteam exactly right now? GB/Vivax/Koshi? 'Cause that doesn't make any sense at all. | ||
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On April 20 2015 02:27 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2015 02:22 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 20 2015 02:20 Koshi wrote: What do I have to do to not get lynched? A) not be scum B) play the game C) All of the above Correct answer + Show Spoiler + C You would prefer C. But A should be enough correct? Not in this game it isn't. | ||
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On April 20 2015 02:29 Koshi wrote: I ll read EoD1. And will let you know what I think. In before "WoS is 100% scum" | ||
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On April 20 2015 03:05 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 11:22 WaveofShadow wrote: On sicklucker? He's here and he's playing which is more than I can say for most of the people in this game. It doesn't clear him but still. On April 17 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote: On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote: Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die! artanis[xp] This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p I didn't like this post because it sounded very forced and it is useless when he started to inquire WoS for talking about unrelated and not game-solving focused posting. Feels like an unsuccessful effort to appear natural On April 17 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: I think its terrible. Ill just vote gb because hes being a prick and voting a town and ill probably never figure him out Uncalled for, Unreasonable justification just to call himself a town. Uncharacteristic since his common town stance is "leave it to me, I've got all figured out!" On April 17 2015 08:17 sicklucker wrote: im just happy to omgus untill one of us are dead. Makes the game more enjoyable to me Unreasonable ranting, specially towards a game that is slow but nothing bad to call it terrible and to omgus for fun. Just an excuse to vote. Conclusion: SL is Mafia I honestly don't like this case at all. It seems way more forced than anything SL has done. In fact most of what you've done has seemed forced, never mind your weird 'joke' about the QT. Absolutely would not lynch SL today. So far: sicklucker lightningstrike loafery Vayneauthority Holyflare Pretty null on everybody else. Leaning slight scum on GB/Oats. I guess that greatdeepsoul guy isn't even going play. Did WoS defend LS? Who defended LS and suddenly left when the LS was getting lynched? And what world does town Koshi not call me scum here? Especially after this. On April 19 2015 03:01 Koshi wrote: WoS is most likely mafia and I will park his vote on him tomorrow. | ||
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On April 20 2015 03:19 sicklucker wrote: Im not playing untill veg claims then. I just made a case that you all thrashed and I cant prove untill he does. Should be pretty clear im town anyway. You're playing really oddly. The fact remains that a bunch of people believe GB to be scum, so you shouldn't have a problem even if they haven't listened to your case. I guess than in itself makes you town because scum has no motive to need to be listened to---it's a town ego thing imo. I think. I dunno you keep doing weird and scummy shit and I find I have to try and keep convincing myself you're town which is weird because I don't know why I feel the need to do that. | ||
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On April 20 2015 03:26 GlowingBear wrote: Sicklucker is obvious Mafia here, that post where he talks about nightkill sounded completely forced as all of his posts in this game. Everytime I read sicklucker I see a guy pushing his own agenda rather actually trying to help town into solving the game Yeah but I don't see scum agenda in that specifically. And there are plenty of other people in this game doing worse in terms of not helping us solve the game. Even if SL starts slipping into scummy territory for me I don't lynch him above Koshi or you. | ||
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On April 20 2015 06:43 Holyflare wrote: I've clearly stated that koshi is purely a policy lynch and I have reasons to think he's town throughout the game. Before you even started your nk wifom I posted multiple reasons why GB is mafia. I just don't care enough to switch off of koshi till he plays the game. That's not what you said when I asked earlier. I will absolutely switch off of koshi if people are lynching him for policy only. | ||
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On April 20 2015 07:06 GlowingBear wrote: I still need to know why people are reading you as town I've explained a bunch of reasons why I say SL is town. I'd give him an A for effort right now even if I still think he's being weird and wrong. Vivax I thought you were back? Also also if the thread stays this way tomorrow I might need convincing not to attempt shennanies onto VA or loafery | ||
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On April 20 2015 07:28 Koshi wrote: I like you sicklucker. You are a townhero when you need to be. Unlike people like VA/WoS who complain about big threads and then when there are small games they go for the easy lynches and do completely nothing of value. Imagine if you are right and GB is mafia. Would be awesome. This is pretty silly especially since I was calling GB scum since yesterday. I will totally claim partial credit for that flip, sorry. | ||
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Once again, I've been calling GB scum since yesterday, but I wanted to sheep Artanis's read (and still kinda do tbh). If people don't agree with Artanis and don't think koshi will flip scum though then I don't want to lynch him over GB. There is also still at least a scum amongst HF/VA/losf | ||
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When koshi is town it's usually super fucking obvious and I don't like that it hasn't been in this game so far. | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:12 Koshi wrote: I already told you I have no interest in investing my soul in this game. I am now hard to read. I will not use a towntell of mine. Like emotions or activity. only the other 3 which I forgot and probably also am not doing but that makes it more fun for you guys anyway. Gogo town! Really. It is on you to find out my alignment and then to be proud to be right. It's not on me to towntell. This is the absolute worst fucking attitude ever. Even IF you wanted to change your playstyle, that's not an excuse NOT TO PLAY THE FUCKING GAME SL if you want me to switch to GB now you've got even more work ahead of you lol | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:17 Vivax wrote: I'm not as sure scum killed Palmar as SL is. I also don't think it's a reason for going after GB. 90 % scum cause NK? Nah man. I can't stand people who just use NKs for their reads. It's really stupid if you don't combine it with own analysis. Anyway I noticed what this post looks like to me: Show nested quote + On April 20 2015 07:28 Koshi wrote: I like you sicklucker. You are a townhero when you need to be. Unlike people like VA/WoS who complain about big threads and then when there are small games they go for the easy lynches and do completely nothing of value. Imagine if you are right and GB is mafia. Would be awesome. ![]() Only thing that stopped me from voting Koshi so far is that HF made him his new LightningStrike (the tunnel vision), I don't think we should let HF go undiscussed today if we plan on also considering Koshi. I still don't know what exactly the point was of agreeing with Onegu there since apparently he only thinks about Koshi but when the latter shows a completely opposite read on Koshi HF doesn't bat an eyelid. Stuff that makes me think HF can be mafia here is how during lynch time he tried to put suspicion on me for not voting LS, tried again with everyone not voting him during the night, and how today is just another tunnel vision for him. Seems like all his reasoning on the LS non-voters is something he isn't using today. Then again Koshi is scummy as well for giving even less a fuck than when I last saw him and that's already a lot. Wouldn't actually be surprised if this is a bus. I mean I'm definitely fine to start talking more about HF if you'd like, but you haven't been around. On April 20 2015 08:22 Vivax wrote: Not to mention HF felt like pointing out he doesn't bus teammates any more in one of his posts, I just remembered. So if he sees a time to do it, it's probably now lol. With Artanis and Palmar dead and SL starting to look townier it gets hard to believe that none of those afk voters on Artanis yesterday didn't at least have one scum in them. On April 18 2015 07:55 Keirathi wrote: Vote Count: LightningStrike (4): Holyflare. Artanis[XP] (2); Holyflare (3): WaveofShadow, loafery, LightningStrike, Palmar (1): greatdeepsoul (1): VayneAuthority WaveofShadow (1): Oatsmaster VayneAuthority (0): Koshi (0): loafery (0): Oatsmaster (0): sicklucker (0): GlowingBear (0): Not voting: greatdeepsoul Currently, LightningStrike is set to be lynched. Day ends in Vote analysis (as well as the way some of the EoD stuff went down) would suggest both HF and GB cannot be scum together. All the votes were spread out otherwise so I HIGHLY doubt any two scum were on one person at all as well. This actually might be another reason to vote into GB today because it probably further clears SL (not that I think he's scum as is) and probably clears HF as well.... | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:24 VayneAuthority wrote: palmar is a self proclaimed day 1 legend he also claimed a blue role and in previous games ive played with him where he was mafia he likes to troll and claim stuff so yea i had thought he was mafia. Loafery doesnt adjust to the thread (hes not reading it) and he just posts stuff that is annoying to read and pointless to the thread so its pretty likely hes mafia I think if we can all agree on GB thats a better lynch then koshi but i dont feel confident on either. I'd prefer a loafery lynch and see if i have any idea whats going on this game. Is this a claim? | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:27 Koshi wrote: Damn. At this rate I will never get lynched. I like it. /bows to Mr. Vayne Tbh playing and not getting lynched feels pretty good. Get out of my thread. | ||
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##unvote ##vote: glowingbear GB probably the lynch today. On April 20 2015 08:33 Holyflare wrote: loafery extremely good kill I'm keeping this in mind for multiple reasons. | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:52 sicklucker wrote: Loaf head might get modkill. not a good a lynch currently At this point if he doesn't I'm MORE likely to assume scum. Take that. | ||
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On April 20 2015 08:40 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2015 08:39 WaveofShadow wrote: The fact that Koshi is pissing me off now probably means he's town, but I want to lynch that smug %#^@$^ out of spite. ##unvote ##vote: glowingbear GB probably the lynch today. On April 20 2015 08:33 Holyflare wrote: loafery extremely good kill I'm keeping this in mind for multiple reasons. Which are? Eh...I was thinking something about seeing if he tried to steer the lynch off GB later in the day but I can't say I necessarily disagree with a loafery lynch entirely, nor am I sure I'd even learn anything from an extremely mediocre 'trap' like that. So f it | ||
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SL never scumreads artanis at all so I think your whole second point kinda falls apart I dunno if I should feel bad because the case isn't awful but I just don't feel convinced I think all of SL's inconsistencies have been pointed out before but for some reason I don't find myself caring about them too much and clearly neither does anyone else I truly don't know why SL you should explain some of this stuff at some point | ||
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On April 20 2015 10:57 VayneAuthority wrote: alrighty so ill just be voting loafery then, cute walrus btw MAKE NOTE /afk vote already prepared. If we shenanny now I think I want it to be on VA. | ||
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On April 20 2015 11:09 VayneAuthority wrote: its plurality, i can do whatever i want with my vote I never suggested you couldn't, my dear. ![]() | ||
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On April 20 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 20 2015 11:02 WaveofShadow wrote: A glaring mistake in your case just skimming through btw SL never scumreads artanis at all so I think your whole second point kinda falls apart I dunno if I should feel bad because the case isn't awful but I just don't feel convinced I think all of SL's inconsistencies have been pointed out before but for some reason I don't find myself caring about them too much and clearly neither does anyone else I truly don't know why SL you should explain some of this stuff at some point I posted the quote he scumreads Artanis... He voted Artanis until the very last second... He assumed Artanis was killed by vigi because Artanis was scummy... I looked through his filter and you're right, but the post you quoted is not technically a scumread of him. Alright more to explain SL go ahead | ||
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On April 20 2015 11:12 VayneAuthority wrote: ok i just dont like you keeping me on the edge of a mislynch its sketchy. I dont think you actually fleshed out this game yet why im a scum read of yours so that would help Suggesting I could ever solve/flesh out a game entirely is just silly imo. You know me better than that. The point remains that you are still and always have been on the lower end of a lynch list of mine if it proves necessary; the fact that a bunch of people have tossed out loafery's name super early makes me wary of possible shenanigans onto him going badly so I'd rather not make the shenanigan possibility predictable, if that makes sense. It might not. | ||
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On April 20 2015 11:19 VayneAuthority wrote: well theres a reason GB and loafery name are both getting tossed around a lot, they are both likely mafia lol. thats just how this game works. and i think you misread my post, i was just wondering why you were scumreading me so i can see if you're just trying to use me as a mislynch. In mini games i am always a good target for that and i actually have a good track record of OMGUSing people in minis because it works. Yes but you'd agree you rarely ever get lynched at all for some reason. Your name gets tossed around but you have this unholy talent of looking incredibly scummy and not getting lynched and/or not doing a damn thing. Once upon a time I'd read you and feel confident in either leaving you alone or pushing you but in this game (especially after being wrong in Aperture 4) I am not confident of doing either so here we are. | ||
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Also, explain this. On April 17 2015 12:37 loafery wrote: The ones u think should be posting who arent are scum | ||
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Also what makes SL scum? | ||
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Reads to follow in a few hours when I get a chance but I think I'm going to shake things up if things go as expected. | ||
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Loafery Originally liked his posting at the start of D1. Going back and reading I have no idea fucking why. He actually had one decent post yesterday right here: On April 20 2015 14:33 loafery wrote: Its a win win situation for u hf if u lunch gb its a ml if u lynch koshi u get towncred for bussing. You can literally do whatever you want losing koshi wouldnt be a big deal cos he has been lackluster and the gain of towncred far outweighs the existanc of koshi right now. The fact that u say koshi is policy and u are fence hogging the idea of lynching himmakes it clear that if u had a choice u would rather lynch someone else which in this case is gb. Based on votes i would rather go for sl than gb and it makes the mind boggle. except if you consider that he has been tunneling HF literally the entire game and has done nothing else. He's been really cryptic in terms of how much he professes to know about the people in this game considering he's only played one other game on this site. Verdict: Could lycnh Koshi This fucking guy. Trying to leave meta completely aside, Koshi could absolutely be lynched in this game for doing absolutely nothing other than sheeping blindly, begging not to be lynched, and otherwise not helping town in any possible way. The main thing I've been trying to look at while rereading is motivation and what each player seems to be attempting to do while avoiding the ever-present meta analysis, and looking at Koshi through this lens makes him look absolutely fucking awful. If one adds meta, it makes him look a little bit towny because again, he looks somewhat jovial/dumb and town Koshi has an uncanny knack for pissing me the hell off. I don't know yet if I want to add that lens or not, however, and the fact that he is taunting people by saying shit like this On April 20 2015 08:12 Koshi wrote: I already told you I have no interest in investing my soul in this game. I am now hard to read. I will not use a towntell of mine. Like emotions or activity. only the other 3 which I forgot and probably also am not doing but that makes it more fun for you guys anyway. Gogo town! Really. It is on you to find out my alignment and then to be proud to be right. It's not on me to towntell. While at the same time begging not to be lynched and saying he is only being lynched for policy just further highlights his rampant refusal to help town win this game. It all boils down to this in my eyes: If you're not working with town in the game of mafia, you're working against them. Verdict: would lynch More to come. | ||
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April 20 2015 17:18 GMT
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This one was incredibly difficult. I looked back and my original reasons for suspecting him and my continued reasons to do so and actually realized they were a little bit faulty for the most part. There were a lot of specific EoD events to look at for each person as well and GB was no exception. The thing about GB's EoD was that he jumped on HF's LS case after not talking about LS at all, 'licking his boots,' while at the same time thrrowing around the idea of jumping off onto Loafery/Koshi and suggesting to HF that he would lynch any of those/whoever HF wants to lynch. Now on its own that doesn't look amazing because he truly appears as though he is attempting to absolve himself of responsibility for the mislynch. This is further proven by GB's posts such as this one On April 18 2015 08:36 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 08:29 Holyflare wrote: i kind of want to kill glowingbear because he obviously just gives no shits at all and his train of thought on ls makes no sense whatsoever 10/10 case on ls would lynch would lynch loafery more though just waiting for an excuse not to vote ls votes loafery afk's long time with no word as to why till he gets back still afk's vote's ls afk's again and doesn't care about flip + he hasn't scum read me yet, legitimate heuristic Then you're confirmed Mafia because it will be the second townie you will push Or are you mad because when I decide to sheep you, you screw up? where he blames the lynch on HF (even though I do myself) right after professing how much of a god HF was for all of it. Not great. The thing is though, on further analysis there are two things scum is trying to do here: get a mislynch, and not look like shit. GB on the surface seems like might be concerned with those things but then looking at the targets he pushes, why would he be attempting to try and push/suggest people move OFF of LightningStrike, and easy town lynch? Not a great scumplay since it contradicts the first goal and doesn't do an amazing job of the second either. Of course if all three targets suggested are town its one thing but I just don't see scum pulling that. Way too easy to get caught for it. Of course time will tell base don flips but this, and GB's play in D2 clears him a little bit. The GB vs SL war looks suspiciously like town vs town, especially when you consider that NOBODY ELSE CARED. His posting against SL was pretty well thought out and his points solid, even if I may not necessarily agree with some of them. Verdict: would not lynch | ||
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Monster townread on him for his D1 play, mostly because I shared his views completely around the LS lynch, and agreed with his posting on HF. Biggest problems I have with him currently are not doing shit all until now D2 (yes apparently he has been busy but even when he was around didn't seem to contribute a great deal) and the parking of his vote on Palmar at EoD. The vote on Palmar in and of itself isn't particularly awful because I can 100% see Vivax believing everything he wrote about Palmar. Specifically Palmar. The problem was the fact that he pushes Koshi for most of the end of the day, randomly wants to shenanny onto Palmar and then disappears. I see both town and scum Vivax motivations for this unfortunately so it's really hard to pinpoint which is more likely based on that. Later on during N1 he reaches the conclusion about GB I am only reaching now so points to him probably for that, and calls HF/Koshi scummy/bussing which also is a pretty decent post. His attack on HF currently isn't something I mind to be honest, but I'm not 100% sure I agree with his conclusions. Yet. In summary, more of what Vivax has done has come from a pretty cleanly town place then a murky scum one and has been pretty transparent with his pushing and not altogether tunnelly. Verdict: would not lynch | ||
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On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote: On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote: On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote: Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation. Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting. And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that. what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post. To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town. Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him. Before I get to you HF, let me be very clear. Most of your case on LS was absolutely meta and I'[ve showed that before. Let's disregard the massive meta post part 2 entirely and go for the first one: On April 18 2015 05:40 Holyflare wrote: LightningStrike ^ Read his filter First and foremost the entirety of his first page contains not only basic one liners, which is pretty uncharacteristic for LightningStrike, but also a distinct lack of meta (why would he be trying to change this I do not know but regardless of what he's trying to change his filter is contentless). It is defensive over the cards against humanity/teamspeak thing which fair enough might be the same of any alignment but then it contains attempts to try and scum hunt which just don't look like any kind of town scum hunting that I can think of, examples being: + Show Spoiler [ scummy gb pushing] + On April 17 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote: Did GlowingBear claimed Mafia with Artanis? On April 17 2015 04:35 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 03:55 GlowingBear wrote: On April 17 2015 03:50 LightningStrike wrote: Did GlowingBear claimed Mafia with Artanis? Nope, dear LS, I claimed having a qt with him There is no masons in this game therefore you must be Mafia for having a qt with him! ##Vote: GlowingBear On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote: OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt" lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner? After the last quote GB is clearly joking and makes it clear with the following quote below, however, in an attempt to actually try and continue his "fitting in" he continues to push this point AS SCUMMY. + Show Spoiler [continuing to push this non-point] + On April 17 2015 05:38 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 05:32 GlowingBear wrote: On April 17 2015 05:10 LightningStrike wrote: On April 17 2015 04:51 GlowingBear wrote: OH GEEZ UHM ACTUALLY It's not a Mafia qt it's a, uh, "special obs qt" lies. You and Artanis Mafia now who is your unnamed partner? *hint* it strikes when a storm happens Not me I not Mafia and you know that. On April 17 2015 09:18 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 07:02 Palmar wrote: On April 17 2015 06:07 LightningStrike wrote: On April 17 2015 06:03 Palmar wrote: ![]() Hey Palmar thoughts about the game so far? I haven't read it. Can I just have the same thoughts as you? Ya because GB claimed to have a QT with Artanis and there is no masons in this game therefore they both scum together :O On April 17 2015 09:55 LightningStrike wrote: You're mafia. Otherwise I would just policy lynch sicklucker Day 3 out ![]() Then SL tells ls that GB was joking and ls says "oh I can't read sarcasm" which was the most disingenuous (maybe second most to wave pushing this gb qt shit) in the game. Following up from these quotes of silly trying to fit in the other classic scum tell is his defense of all these players that constantly keeps happening (just saw he posted a list with lots of town reads somehow too): + Show Spoiler [sl defence] + On April 17 2015 10:55 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 08:51 GlowingBear wrote: On April 17 2015 02:21 sicklucker wrote: Guys I got an idea. Lets lynch artanis unless he proves hes town. Because a scum artanis will roll over and die! artanis[xp] This is sort of revenge for when you left me as a solo mafia one game ;p I didn't like this post because it sounded very forced and it is useless when he started to inquire WoS for talking about unrelated and not game-solving focused posting. Feels like an unsuccessful effort to appear natural On April 17 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: I think its terrible. Ill just vote gb because hes being a prick and voting a town and ill probably never figure him out Uncalled for, Unreasonable justification just to call himself a town. Uncharacteristic since his common town stance is "leave it to me, I've got all figured out!" On April 17 2015 08:17 sicklucker wrote: im just happy to omgus untill one of us are dead. Makes the game more enjoyable to me Unreasonable ranting, specially towards a game that is slow but nothing bad to call it terrible and to omgus for fun. Just an excuse to vote. Conclusion: SL is Mafia Sicklucker can do your 2nd point regarding the "leave it to me I got all figured out" as both alignments. Point #1 was regarding Student VI when both Artanis and Sicklucker rolled scum together and Artanis gave up Day 2 idk how it seems forced? 3rd point yeah it might be unreasonable ranting but I kinda hate how slow the game is. I think it's easier to read sicklucker as either alignment around Day 2 to Day 3 area when it becomes painfully obvious when he's scum. + Show Spoiler [scummy palmar defense] + On April 17 2015 11:51 LightningStrike wrote: Oats it's the weekend he can't be assed to play on the weekend normally :O On April 17 2015 12:06 LightningStrike wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: So what's his excuse for yesterday then? And why are you making excuses for him anyway? He prob forgot this game was going on lol. Also I <3 Palmar. On April 17 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote: Well Palmar is unCCed blue so he's town for that. saying un cc'd blue is equally silly especially as people outline why not to trust it and he says he wants to use meta only when "100% right" but uses it all the time to defend all of these people Now obviously here there is content aside from meta, which is fine, but don't delude yourself. Your case was not amazing, it was not super solid, and most importantly, it WAS heavily based on meta---and I argue the fact that made people want to vote LS in the first place (which you've agreed even convinced yourself) was the meta portion. Now I will continue. | ||
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April 20 2015 17:46 GMT
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I mean...probably lynch this guy. The sad part is he has actually done more than Koshi in this game with a smaller filter since he has actually provided reads (though mediocre). Again trying to ignore meta here so based on his play alone in this game he has proven to be completely disinterested and unhelpful, but again not as much as Koshi so while I'd lynch him, he actually probably ends up lower priority. Verdict: probably lynch Sicklucker Ugh. He just looks so ass, but there are so many things in his filter that make more sense from a sicklucker town point of view. The main thing I currently have a problem with is the pushing of the vig angle. I actually have decent answers for GB's accusations against him even though he doesn't address them particularly well himself and whether or not he articulates himself well, they make sense to me. For example this section of GB's case is probbaly what GB himself describes as the most egregious infraction: 4) Throws suspicions based on an affirmative even he denied + Show Spoiler + On April 18 2015 07:40 sicklucker wrote: Show nested quote + On April 17 2015 23:22 LightningStrike wrote: Well Palmar is unCCed blue so he's town for that. im pretty sure this is also s joke. On April 18 2015 07:42 sicklucker wrote: Like palmers not the jailkeeper thats not something you claim on day 1 ever. Its just a joke from an on going game DISSONANCE BARRIER On April 18 2015 08:26 sicklucker wrote: vivax you could have voted before me and had your choice of ls/hf lynch. You could also have voted artanis. Instead you went for a lynch on a possible power role that was never gonna happen "You're suspicious for voting on a possible blue role which I said with certainty that he wasn't a blue role" The thing I see here is not dissonance at all though, he's simply framing it from an outside point of view in the final sentence. I see nothing in his thoughts that suggest a disconnect from that the entire game, which honestly worries me just a little bit more. I'm going to come right out and say this because I truly don't think it makes a difference in this game at all. SL himself could very well be the vig and thus actually knows what's going on, or he could also be scum, and knows exactly what's going on. The fact that he is consistently pushing a view that nobody else in this game shares suggest extraneous knowledge, or of course, just weird/bad/terrible/etc play from town but I think the former might make more sense here, and I'm not sure I see it as scumplay, especially when considering that SL has been very active and engaging throughout the game. The GB vs. SL fight struck me at one point as very town vs town which I mentioned earlier. I'd keep an eye on him here because I think ultimately he probably comes off looking a little worse than GB but still probably town. Verdict: would not lynch | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 17:48 GMT
#1125
On April 21 2015 02:38 Holyflare wrote: i actually forgot oats was in the game lol YUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUP | ||
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April 20 2015 17:51 GMT
#1131
The fact that in just 2 minutes of conversation with him I was able to make him all but forget about all of his reads/change his mind truly does not suggest mafia despite his below-par play. Pretty easy townread here imo. Verdict: do not lynch Oats Comes in to thread every so often, snipes at people and disappears. Does not actually appear to have any stake in this game at all, no proper reads, no proper motivation. I'm unsure where he could even be townread at all to be honest (though I'm not considering meta here, and have no desire to). Verdict: would lynch | ||
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April 20 2015 17:53 GMT
#1139
On April 21 2015 02:50 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 02:48 Holyflare wrote: you're picking all the weirdest options wave, it's really confusing "SL is town because he looks like he's playing with too much info about nk's so i'm going to assume he has too much info but that makes him.. town"???? Considering all of the rest of SL's play and his general oddness, I find it more likely that he is town than scum very obviously pushing his TMI into the thread. He's not off the table completely but I wouldn't lynch him today. | ||
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April 20 2015 17:54 GMT
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On April 21 2015 02:53 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 02:50 Koshi wrote: On April 21 2015 02:46 WaveofShadow wrote: VA I mean...probably lynch this guy. The sad part is he has actually done more than Koshi in this game with a smaller filter since he has actually provided reads (though mediocre). Again trying to ignore meta here so based on his play alone in this game he has proven to be completely disinterested and unhelpful, but again not as much as Koshi so while I'd lynch him, he actually probably ends up lower priority. Verdict: probably lynch Mafia tends to do the least effort in the game so they are sure to be lynched when people want angry mob plynches. Good read WoS! btw. Aren't you good at reading VA? I remember your giant Waffle read on VA in aperture. So you legit think VA is mafia but for some reason I should be lynched first because I did less? So terrible... Koshi go away. | ||
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April 20 2015 17:58 GMT
#1143
Would rather probably lynch Oats or Koshi today. I have yet to do my read on you because of course it's the longest/hardest one (lululululul). Gonna try to read over Vivax's current issues with you, I think it's about the Koshi policy lynch? | ||
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April 20 2015 18:01 GMT
#1146
In fact I'm unlikely to listen to 'your lynch' specifically because as of right now I am clearly the towniest person in this thread so at the very least I should be the one making the calls, wrong or right. | ||
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April 20 2015 18:07 GMT
#1152
On April 21 2015 03:04 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote: the same bs that people always push on me when they try and mislynch me zzzz "hf didn't talk about this until now so he must be mafia!" It's a fact. When you miss something it's cause it didn't concern you but I wouldn't believe you if you said that you didn't notive my vote on me which is pretty much the only excuse for you not suspecting me specifically for that until now that I'm up your butt. The fact remains Vivax that HF does get all OMGUS-y but it's not directly related to his alignment from my experience. It's pretty easy to do either way. I don't want to take that into consideration though 'cause meta so in terms of reading HF I keep to within the confines of this game only. Ultimately Vivax I'm not sure I'd want to lynch him today above the people sitting back and doing dick all here because sitting back and doing dick all is the right play as scum. I am obviously leaning towards Oats but we'll see. Vivax can you explain why you townread him currently? | ||
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April 20 2015 18:21 GMT
#1155
It's very hard to really attempt to read his content and nitpick things from there so I'm going for overall motivations and goals here. HF's motivation to play D1 was very clear. EXTREMELY clear. Nothing needs to be said about that imo. Entirely possible he's town but the scum motivation to do what he did there is stronger. N1/D2 he pushes a sort-of-policy lynch on Koshi for a while, argues with a presumed town SL and believes GB is scum, then OMGUS's Vivax after getting pushed. The basic fact here is I don't get the feeling that HF is trying to DO anything in particular. Yes lynch Koshi, yes GB scum, yes Vivax scum, but it's all very reactionary (aside from Koshi really, which is a very obvious/safe lynch/plynch because Koshi is useless/infuriating and because of Artanis). His content looks good, but it always does and I have to throw in just a bit of meta here to explain why I'm not bothering with the actual content---it's because players like me and Holyflare are more or less indistinguishable when we want to be from purely our content (when we want to be at the very least which isn't something I can say for myself lately). It's motivation behind the content that matters and HF's motivations just don't lean town for me. Ultimately I'm not certain I'd vote him over some of the chaff though (this is also kind of a dangerous way of proceeding), and I'm not particularly convinced by what Vivax has had to say about him. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 18:24 GMT
#1157
On April 21 2015 03:14 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 03:07 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 21 2015 03:04 Vivax wrote: On April 21 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote: the same bs that people always push on me when they try and mislynch me zzzz "hf didn't talk about this until now so he must be mafia!" It's a fact. When you miss something it's cause it didn't concern you but I wouldn't believe you if you said that you didn't notive my vote on me which is pretty much the only excuse for you not suspecting me specifically for that until now that I'm up your butt. The fact remains Vivax that HF does get all OMGUS-y but it's not directly related to his alignment from my experience. It's pretty easy to do either way. I don't want to take that into consideration though 'cause meta so in terms of reading HF I keep to within the confines of this game only. Ultimately Vivax I'm not sure I'd want to lynch him today above the people sitting back and doing dick all here because sitting back and doing dick all is the right play as scum. I am obviously leaning towards Oats but we'll see. Vivax can you explain why you townread him currently? Still D1 stuff where I decided to do so.More on a whim based on his cocky posts than anything else, so can't even call it a townread, more like a decision to ignore him and let him live. Present some arguments and I will listen. I think we're pretty fucked if HF keeps meddling tho. The case for Oats is pretty short and sweet. Cocky on its own doesn't mean much to me, it's pretty simple. Nothing Oats does here has any clear direction. He shows up, says some stuff, fucks off. (meta) Oats is perfectly capable of forming coherent arguments/pushing stuff and here he just isn't. Even if you ignore meta I see no towny in anything Oats has done this game. I'd like to make what I think is a nice distinction here too---both he and SL are very flighty and throw votes/accusations/shit around a bunch D1 but the difference here is SL's has clear direction/explanation. Oats has none of that. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 18:27 GMT
#1158
Vivax do you mind re-outlining your current case/list of gripes with HF? I'm not sure I see much in the current shitfight between you two that is particularly indicative of anything. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 18:27 GMT
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April 20 2015 18:35 GMT
#1163
On April 21 2015 03:28 Holyflare wrote: lynch me and then actually get off your arse and read my content and stop being a useless dick and then lynch gb and vivax because my posts may very well be reactionary but they aren't mafia posts and they outline specifically everything that makes gb and vivax mafia <3 you too honey. :D On April 21 2015 03:28 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote: On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote: On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote: On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote: Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation. Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting. And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that. what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post. To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town. Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him. slam dunk Alright, read this but I dont like it much. Nor do I really like Viva'x recent points against you. It's very easy to say any of what you've both said can come from either perspective. What matters to me more in this game is an overarching direction and motivation and Vivax's to me seems much clearer than yours. (It also doesn't hurt that I've been on the same page as him multiple times throughout). You can calm your tits though, I probably won't lynch you today because I'm not as confident removing you as I am others. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 18:38 GMT
#1166
On April 21 2015 03:32 Holyflare wrote: You can say anything you want about my "mafia motivation" but quite simply it's wrong, I was just afk d1 and did the exact same thing in mafia mini mafia 2. It's just because I was busy and couldn't play. I would absolutely abuse the fact nobody is posting if I was mafia, like vivax did. I believe you that you were afk, but it's the way you came back and exploded into the thread and what you did with it that concerns me. I also didn't like how Vivax afked his way through N1/D2 much but I generally don't like to assume it's because scummy lurking same as I did for you, and his return to thread currently seems less 'THIS IS WHY I AM RETURNING TO THE THREAD,' making a big show of shit. You can tout your boost in activity as helping the town all you like but remember two things: it didn't end well, and I wasn't available/didn't have as strong a 'read' to push as you. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 18:40 GMT
#1167
On April 21 2015 03:37 Holyflare wrote: I read everything you write and I already said you come to weird conclusions and you make weird jumps in logic. You kind of ignore everything I write though and it annoys the shit out of me. I read what you wrote too, I just don't have much to say specifically about the content of it. I always read everything everyone has to say. And yes I had noticed GB's absence as well as SL's. I would very much like them both to be around within the next few hours otherwise things could go poorly. For now, ##Vote: Oatsmaster | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 18:41 GMT
#1168
Any thoughts period? | ||
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April 20 2015 18:48 GMT
#1173
On April 21 2015 03:43 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote: I also disagree that HF is 'meddling' per se because he has nobody listening to him right now. I don't feel good/confident about my current position because of my own capabilities but at the very least I know that if people listen to me/I listen to myself the lynch is town-decided. Vivax do you mind re-outlining your current case/list of gripes with HF? I'm not sure I see much in the current shitfight between you two that is particularly indicative of anything. Sure, I'll make it nice, bulleted and straight to the point.
I'ma decide if I vote anyone with you before I go to bed as so far you're the most trutstworthy of the bunch here. 1 - Yup. 2 - He's right though. You pushed Koshi, fine, then you switched to Palmar and afked pretty randomly. 3 - Agreed somewhat, more egregious is the clear points that I brought up against Koshi that a) Artanis found him scummy, b) he is actually scummy. Policy is not enough on its own here. 4 - Ehhhh sort of? I can totally see that being fine as town especially if he's focused on other stuff at the time. 5 - I missed that. Interesting actually. Can you show me that? 6 - Yeah we talked about that. I'm pretty guilty of it too actually 7 - Yeah I'm not sure I get this but fair. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 18:50 GMT
#1175
On April 21 2015 03:45 GlowingBear wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 03:38 Holyflare wrote: everyone is really, and GB HAS AFK'D AGAIN PLZ LYNCH I'M SORRY I'M NOT ACTIVE ALL DAY LONG, WHAT A CRIME!!!! I slept. Just woke up. Catching up I'm not one to not believe shit but this excuse is kind of odd given how long you were gone and what time of day. At the same time, being away from thread for 1.5h is not a crime. Comment on stuff that's happened please. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 19:03 GMT
#1179
On April 21 2015 03:59 Vivax wrote: So HF would like to hear how you will handle Oats in the near future. You confident enough to trust into WoS being town to give him todays lynch? Well to be fair he doesn't have a choice. He either votes with me or throws it away. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 19:06 GMT
#1181
On April 21 2015 03:55 Holyflare wrote: basically there is 0% chance a town vivax makes any of these assumptions after playing the last game with me 0%%%%%%%%%% I don't give a shit about this. On April 21 2015 03:57 Vivax wrote: I didn't afk, I constantly asked for a vote on Koshi, when Palmar made his terrible posts I voted him. Everyone who voted Artanis looked terrible to me since it was just a huge afk blob at the time so if you see it from my point of view it makes perfect sense. I also was suspicious of SL on D1. Now I think he's more likely to be town based on his tone. Except the afk part cause it's simply not true. I was prolific at voting and at talking during EoD, that's pretty much how I recall it. I also recall how I backed from HF cause I felt I was being too impulsive and it's like a self imposed task of mine not to judge him on D1. + Show Spoiler + I missed that. Interesting actually. Can you show me that? In the last few pages I felt that GB wasn't reall engaging in the HF vs me fight even though he claimed that he was his scumread. So if he's scum it's for that, would like to hear him out on this part. HF ignored that particular. Ah ARTANIS called for the Palmar vote. Hmm. Can't tell if that improves my view of you here or not because on the one hand it makes it easier for you to switch but on the other it very clearly follows your narrative. No I'm fine with your EoD, just wanted a little more explanation. So this GB point, you're just throwing that in now? Was that present anywhere before that bullet point post? | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 19:09 GMT
#1184
On April 21 2015 02:58 Holyflare wrote: yes because I don't care what other people do as long as I get my lynch and now i'm caring what other people do so I can get my lynch again | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 19:10 GMT
#1185
On April 21 2015 04:07 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + So this GB point, you're just throwing that in now? Was that present anywhere before that bullet point post? Ofc, I asked GB why he wasn't voting HF. KK. If by any chance you happen to be awake around EoD, please come back ![]() | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 19:19 GMT
#1187
On April 21 2015 04:13 Holyflare wrote: look wave just leave me alone, i don't really care what nonsense people post my way because at the end of the day it's all trash and people are bad for following it when there is overwhelming evidence to say the opposite i've quite clearly been pushing vivax and gb for the past fucking 5 hours while you ignore it, tell me you read it, say nothing about it until i force it down your throat and then tell me i've just been pushing a lurker lynch not to mention you say all these things (n1 - your post on me - hf looks towny for that good case, but you push a scum read on me still) (day 2 - all of your filter diving you give reasons why people should be mafia but then conclude town) you have really backwards reads that conclude the opposite of what you should be doing if you read them properly basically i think you're mafia but i'll just let you win the game and i don't really care because people have demotivated me enough I'm not ignoring it, I just don't find it particularly engaging over what I think myself. I thought the same thing about Vivax's points on you if you recall. You can 'boo hoo nobody listens to me' all you like but a) you've had people listening to you for a good part of the game already, and b) getting demotivated because I disagree with you is shitty, especially when I am continuing to engage you and discuss things rationally. Your scumteam now is me/vivax/GB? | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 19:26 GMT
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April 20 2015 19:51 GMT
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April 20 2015 19:56 GMT
#1199
On April 18 2015 07:18 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 07:17 Vivax wrote: HF what was the point of the posting style change? I was going to do a post style change but then nobody posted much at all and I had to go afk for a long time. I tried to incorporate it with my case on LS but now I'm just trying to boost activity because everyone is afking and not doing much at a deadline. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 19:57 GMT
#1200
Point is, shouting afk at GB isn't going to make anything happen for you or for him. And Koshi is just sitting here trying to get himself lynched/playing against his wincon. So much fun. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 20:07 GMT
#1206
I'm off for now, will only be able to post sporadically most likely until after deadline. You two have fun. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 21:16 GMT
#1236
On April 21 2015 05:48 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 05:33 GlowingBear wrote: Fuck this I want to lynch SL first If impossible, I want to lynch HF If impossible, I'll lynch Koshi I will lynch no one else. I'm pretty certain this is the scum team + Koshi is intentionally trying to piss WoS off, reinforcing the argument that Koshi is mafia with them. I basicly hate this list... Onegu thoughts on Vivax v HF, GB v SL | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 21:25 GMT
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WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 21:34 GMT
#1248
wont be happy to have replacement starting N2 | ||
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April 20 2015 21:36 GMT
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April 20 2015 21:45 GMT
#1256
On April 21 2015 06:39 Koshi wrote: Because why is Onegu not talking about his scumread getting lynched? Instead quoted a post of the counterwagon and said "this looks strange" Onegu is totally different from town Onegu on multiple fronts. Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 05:48 Onegu wrote: On April 21 2015 05:33 GlowingBear wrote: Fuck this I want to lynch SL first If impossible, I want to lynch HF If impossible, I'll lynch Koshi I will lynch no one else. I'm pretty certain this is the scum team + Koshi is intentionally trying to piss WoS off, reinforcing the argument that Koshi is mafia with them. I basicly hate this list... 1) scum Onegu is on scum Oats and wants away. 2) scum Onegu is on town Oats and wants to leave. 3) Town Onegu is not liking his own lynch and wants to go to GB. But why? Onegu filter around GB: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 16:51 Onegu wrote: I'm still reading but I didn't like how WoS jumped on GB trolling Show nested quote + On April 19 2015 01:09 Onegu wrote: On April 18 2015 13:29 GlowingBear wrote: On April 18 2015 12:51 Onegu wrote: Wtf did I start? I'm quoting every like small message looking for hidden messages... Well I stole it from dabears from desert mini, but I made it popular The wrong thread is strong in this one nope talking about this thread I quoted like 12 posts in this thread that were either blue claims or things to do with blue claims looking for hidden messages... Show nested quote + On April 19 2015 09:28 Onegu wrote: Like I think GB town, HF town, Vivax scum. I kinda agree with the loafery post but yah. LIke the post you like on Vivax is the one I dont like. Like you admit yourself that HF case was good. It was good. "- I decided on my own that LS is not posting in the nervous mafia way he was in Guardians. BUT, he posts a lot of bs in my opinion. That doesn't make him mafia. I was successful in tone reading him and I will keep doing that." Like this is the part I really dont like. So why is he posting things about GB? meh. I basically turned him around on all those reads right after he made them---read my conversation with him around those posts | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 21:49 GMT
#1260
On April 21 2015 06:46 Koshi wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 06:45 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 21 2015 06:39 Koshi wrote: Because why is Onegu not talking about his scumread getting lynched? Instead quoted a post of the counterwagon and said "this looks strange" Onegu is totally different from town Onegu on multiple fronts. On April 21 2015 05:48 Onegu wrote: On April 21 2015 05:33 GlowingBear wrote: Fuck this I want to lynch SL first If impossible, I want to lynch HF If impossible, I'll lynch Koshi I will lynch no one else. I'm pretty certain this is the scum team + Koshi is intentionally trying to piss WoS off, reinforcing the argument that Koshi is mafia with them. I basicly hate this list... 1) scum Onegu is on scum Oats and wants away. 2) scum Onegu is on town Oats and wants to leave. 3) Town Onegu is not liking his own lynch and wants to go to GB. But why? Onegu filter around GB: On April 18 2015 16:51 Onegu wrote: I'm still reading but I didn't like how WoS jumped on GB trolling On April 19 2015 01:09 Onegu wrote: On April 18 2015 13:29 GlowingBear wrote: On April 18 2015 12:51 Onegu wrote: Wtf did I start? I'm quoting every like small message looking for hidden messages... Well I stole it from dabears from desert mini, but I made it popular The wrong thread is strong in this one nope talking about this thread I quoted like 12 posts in this thread that were either blue claims or things to do with blue claims looking for hidden messages... On April 19 2015 09:28 Onegu wrote: Like I think GB town, HF town, Vivax scum. I kinda agree with the loafery post but yah. LIke the post you like on Vivax is the one I dont like. Like you admit yourself that HF case was good. It was good. "- I decided on my own that LS is not posting in the nervous mafia way he was in Guardians. BUT, he posts a lot of bs in my opinion. That doesn't make him mafia. I was successful in tone reading him and I will keep doing that." Like this is the part I really dont like. So why is he posting things about GB? meh. I basically turned him around on all those reads right after he made them---read my conversation with him around those posts Nha. Just tell me why he is town. I will trust you. On April 19 2015 09:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol it really didn't take much convincing to make you redact about everything you came into thread with, did it? Alright someone else can take over I'm done for now. Onegu PROBABLY town for this but just...ugh. This plus popping into the thread with stuff that matched up with stuff later on sporadically The RB claim was kinda weird but meh. Still wouldn't lynch today. | ||
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April 20 2015 21:50 GMT
#1264
On April 21 2015 06:46 sicklucker wrote: Ok read thread. Need to read oats/vivax filter. As of now I dont like an oats lynch. I think gb/vivax team is making sense. I dont really wanna lynch hf beause theres so much value in seeing if he gets nked. This is stupid. HF never gets NKed in this game. Like everything you say is categorically wrong so on one hand it makes me think you're town, but lord you make it so difficult to keep that up This is why HF has a problem with me because I keep having to make logical leaps to townread you but scumplay doing what you're doing also doesn't make sense. You're probably not off the block for tomorrow. GB looks way better than you | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 21:55 GMT
#1270
On April 21 2015 06:50 Koshi wrote: Ok. I think he isn't town for it but sure. The thing about this game is I could very well be wrong about a lot of stuff----as town I often am, but the point is at the very least this time I have a handle over what should be done/what I want done so if I fuck up I can say at least I did my best and yall can blame shit on me. I'm trying to improve in confidence and skill both--- I don't get the leader position often and I don't want to waste it. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 21:55 GMT
#1271
On April 21 2015 06:54 sicklucker wrote: But seriously Hf can be the nk your smoking some great herb. He prop wont be the nk if we miss but if we hit and hes town hes very likely a nk hes under decent role cover atm Never | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 21:55 GMT
#1272
On April 21 2015 06:53 Koshi wrote: Oh fuck. No. We need a save before a 4th ml. Sucks. Yes because vig messed up | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 21:57 GMT
#1276
Vote oats. Yes oats is absolutely a good lynch. VA and loaf could be mafia but they also have a chance of flipping useless town. Why are you asking me this after already voting him? | ||
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April 20 2015 21:58 GMT
#1277
On April 21 2015 06:57 sicklucker wrote: I cant really defend lynching oats other then this. If hes a role hes not around to claim... If he's a role he's as good as useless anyway because Oats never uses blueroles, and when he does he fucks them up. | ||
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April 20 2015 21:58 GMT
#1278
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April 20 2015 21:59 GMT
#1281
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April 20 2015 22:07 GMT
#1289
On April 21 2015 06:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 05:48 Onegu wrote: On April 21 2015 05:33 GlowingBear wrote: Fuck this I want to lynch SL first If impossible, I want to lynch HF If impossible, I'll lynch Koshi I will lynch no one else. I'm pretty certain this is the scum team + Koshi is intentionally trying to piss WoS off, reinforcing the argument that Koshi is mafia with them. I basicly hate this list... Onegu thoughts on Vivax v HF, GB v SL Right now plz | ||
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April 20 2015 22:37 GMT
#1315
You can only do so much when 1/3 to 1/2 of your game doesn't play | ||
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April 20 2015 23:20 GMT
#1395
How do you win a game like this | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 20 2015 23:21 GMT
#1397
I'm setting up mislynch for tomorrow by mentioning loafery and you want to lynch him Hahahah Oh man. Ok some else can lead tomorrow then Whayevs | ||
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April 20 2015 23:22 GMT
#1398
Kill them probably | ||
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April 20 2015 23:24 GMT
#1399
On April 21 2015 08:11 loafery wrote: The hf i know would have dragged town kicking and screaming to one of his preferred lynches gb or koshi but he doesnt crystal clear The HF you know? Who the fuck ARE you? | ||
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April 20 2015 23:30 GMT
#1402
Well we both led and failed so someone can have a chance to lead this shit fuckery. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 21 2015 00:46 GMT
#1407
HF im not exactly inclined to think the GB rage is fake... I'm going to make a meta exception here, has he been known to fake rage before? | ||
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April 21 2015 01:25 GMT
#1414
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April 21 2015 21:07 GMT
#1419
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WaveofShadow
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April 21 2015 22:06 GMT
#1426
You're welcome to do it right now. | ||
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April 21 2015 22:26 GMT
#1428
My fuck meter is incredibly depleted. When other people don't play, why should I? | ||
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April 21 2015 22:31 GMT
#1431
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April 21 2015 22:32 GMT
#1432
Not this game tho | ||
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April 21 2015 22:36 GMT
#1434
I wish I were dying tonight | ||
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April 21 2015 23:09 GMT
#1440
Let's go. | ||
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April 21 2015 23:11 GMT
#1443
And I doubt I'm voting GB. | ||
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April 21 2015 23:12 GMT
#1445
No reason for scum to even do that | ||
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April 21 2015 23:20 GMT
#1452
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April 21 2015 23:21 GMT
#1453
F this game Vivax or hf | ||
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April 21 2015 23:27 GMT
#1459
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April 21 2015 23:28 GMT
#1460
If we no lynch then vig don't claim. Alright yeah vig don't claim yet. | ||
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April 21 2015 23:42 GMT
#1463
Absolutely loafery. He just ninja voted again. Wasn't around at all but magically was at deadline. Hasn't done anything but tunnel HF ALL GAME. H Remove this filth. ##vote:loafery | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 21 2015 23:43 GMT
#1464
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April 22 2015 00:21 GMT
#1471
And this time it's scum. It's glaring at you straight in the face. He is trying his absolute hardest not to get modkilled while still technically playing. THIS is not a simple lurker lynch. Loafery. I'll even use the dreaded percent. 10000000000000000000% mafia. | ||
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April 22 2015 00:28 GMT
#1473
On April 22 2015 09:24 Holyflare wrote: Oh fuck off i said that yesterday and you didn't say shit about it What's your point? He did it again at deadline just before. I appreciate that you could be right about GB actually, in fact now that SL flipped town, I'd be interested in GB's reevaluation of his reads, but I just don't see myself lynching someone participating in the game over someone willfully ONLY PLAYING NOT TO BE LYNCHED. Pray tell, in case I have forgotten, which faction ONLY cares about not getting lynched again? | ||
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April 22 2015 00:29 GMT
#1474
Koshi you too. VA do whatever the fuck you want cuz probably scum | ||
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April 22 2015 00:37 GMT
#1476
You can cry that I'm ignoring stuff all you want just because I'm not doing what you want me to do. | ||
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April 22 2015 00:41 GMT
#1479
On April 22 2015 09:39 Holyflare wrote: spent the entire game giving reads on gb and calling him mafia and you want to afk lynch another lurker because that worked out so well, I DEFINITELY pointed out that he was here at deadline which you ignored and still went onto oats, you can't use that crap anymore Then you should be agreeing with me. I felt Oats had a better chance of flipping scum, I was wrong. You felt LS was scum, you were wrong. I don't see why I have to be the one to listen to you here because you have absolutely no credentials here that makes your read superior. | ||
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April 22 2015 00:42 GMT
#1482
The fact remains that I'm still not sure GB is scum despite your pushing. I don't understand why you're being so unreasonable here. | ||
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April 22 2015 00:44 GMT
#1485
On April 22 2015 09:41 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 07:38 Holyflare wrote: wow wave mafiaing up the thread hard with his push off of loafery despite the ninja vote and afking Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 07:50 Holyflare wrote: like loafery returns 20 minutes before deadline with not a SINGLE word in the thread and wave says "yeh let's lynch oats" totally legit right? Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 08:01 Holyflare wrote: wave definitely mafia now, saving loafery who he will set up for the lynch tomorrow Yeah, and you could just as well be saying that to try and get people not to vote loafery. Truly HF, as I said before, my care factor is just at about zero here. You can rant and scream all you want all day if you like. Call me scum. Call the whole rest of the game scum (I think you have already by this point). I don't vote GB over loafery. End of story. It's up to everyone else to decide what they want to do. The evidence has been presented. | ||
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April 22 2015 00:45 GMT
#1488
On April 22 2015 09:43 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 09:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Like...if you think loafery is scum then there's no reason to be obstinate/throw the game. The fact remains that I'm still not sure GB is scum despite your pushing. I don't understand why you're being so unreasonable here. please tell me how legitimately someone can rage with 2 votes against someone with 5 votes when the 2 votes are his 2 exact scum reads Very easily. I've done it multiple times as town. That doesn't make it a good town play, nor does it mean he's not scum, but I firmly believe loafery is scum here and I do not firmly believe GB is. | ||
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April 22 2015 00:46 GMT
#1490
On April 22 2015 09:44 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 09:44 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 22 2015 09:41 Holyflare wrote: On April 21 2015 07:38 Holyflare wrote: wow wave mafiaing up the thread hard with his push off of loafery despite the ninja vote and afking On April 21 2015 07:50 Holyflare wrote: like loafery returns 20 minutes before deadline with not a SINGLE word in the thread and wave says "yeh let's lynch oats" totally legit right? On April 21 2015 08:01 Holyflare wrote: wave definitely mafia now, saving loafery who he will set up for the lynch tomorrow Yeah, and you could just as well be saying that to try and get people not to vote loafery. Truly HF, as I said before, my care factor is just at about zero here. You can rant and scream all you want all day if you like. Call me scum. Call the whole rest of the game scum (I think you have already by this point). I don't vote GB over loafery. End of story. It's up to everyone else to decide what they want to do. The evidence has been presented. then go away, stop playing this game, don't vote, get modkilled because fuck off Now now, no need for obscenities my good man. + Show Spoiler + And the answer to that is a resounding no. | ||
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April 22 2015 00:46 GMT
#1491
On April 22 2015 09:46 Holyflare wrote: loafery your whole scum read on me is based on sl switching to save me which is now moot but you're still voting me, what gives? Yup. Totes town | ||
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April 22 2015 00:52 GMT
#1493
Hope you enjoy yourself. | ||
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April 22 2015 00:56 GMT
#1495
Once again, if you wanted to lynch loafery yesterday, why is he all of a sudden town now if nothing he has done has changed? | ||
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April 22 2015 15:21 GMT
#1525
It's hilarious how you're essentially trying to convince a scum player that he's town now. | ||
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April 22 2015 15:45 GMT
#1527
On April 22 2015 23:54 loafery wrote: The fact that ur alive until now should be enough reason to lynch but town is meh like carol...i cant be be arsed to fight the tide and drag town kicking and screaming when they are dumb. Like look at this joke of a post. He can't be arsed to fight the tide HF. He's been trying SO HARD this game and nobody's listened to him and look at all the effort he's put in but all for naught. Boo hoo hoo | ||
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April 22 2015 15:53 GMT
#1529
I mean I for one would have loved it if he'd actually have done something/posted throughout this entire game so this wouldn't be necessary, but here we are. | ||
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April 22 2015 20:09 GMT
#1545
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April 22 2015 20:10 GMT
#1546
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April 22 2015 20:36 GMT
#1551
Where do I fit into all that? | ||
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April 22 2015 20:36 GMT
#1552
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April 23 2015 01:28 GMT
#1579
Come do stuff | ||
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April 23 2015 05:26 GMT
#1589
On April 23 2015 13:49 Holyflare wrote: This game is driving me mad because people are intentionally just afking and not caring. No matter what alignment either which is fucking sad that people played so awfully that mafia could just do that. Well you'll be pleased to know that since nobody seems to want to vote loafery at the very least I'll vote GB in that case. If it means I hand the win over I don't honestly think I care. Can't win games like these when people outright don't play. | ||
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April 23 2015 11:51 GMT
#1593
On April 23 2015 16:32 Koshi wrote: Well knowing you can't all be mafia and I guess some people are extremely terrible in this game I shall claim vig. I shot Artanis. Reason? I had none. Pretty tempted to subscribe to the BH school of playing with Koshi at this point. | ||
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April 23 2015 11:52 GMT
#1594
Who left alive would have any reason to be afraid of Palmar? | ||
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April 23 2015 16:15 GMT
#1643
On April 24 2015 00:14 Vivax wrote: Except Koshi who is suffering from game throw syndrome. Don't know what's wrong with him lately. lol | ||
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April 23 2015 16:47 GMT
#1647
Just vote loafery. | ||
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April 23 2015 16:53 GMT
#1649
I truly don't know where you get the patience/resolve/insanity to post for 10 more pages against people who don't give a shit/don't want to play/don't care but I don't have that resolve. If loafery flips scum I'll probably start caring a little more. I do think it's pretty hilarious how one big post from GB makes you all of a sudden change your mind considering how rabid you've been. Vivax and GB are probably the two most implicated by that Palmar kill so after loafery flips red I'm probably going for them. I've made the mistake before of assuming you're town based on something and at this point I'll probably just make the mistake again because I don't see why you have to put in that kind of effort as scum over the past 36h or so. I could be wrong of course but fuck it, if town loses the game now it's far from my fault. | ||
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April 23 2015 17:06 GMT
#1651
Yeah that guy too. son of a bitch | ||
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April 23 2015 17:07 GMT
#1652
All that would go to show is that you can literally do NOTHING in a game and still win. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:15 GMT
#1693
He's contradicted himself more times than it's even possible to count and is actively antagonizing people for fun. I mean...at this point I'd truly be ok just plynching him to lose the game just to end it. And if that's a big part of his convoluted master plan than so be it but at least it's the last game I'll ever have to play with him. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:34 GMT
#1712
On April 24 2015 03:21 Koshi wrote: WoS is anybody even townreading you? Like... Where do you even get the nerf to complain after playing this game? I have cared in games 3 times as much as you are doing now. I had people in my games who cared 3 times as less as I am doing now. I just played. Rarely I blamed players. Sometimes balance. lol. ![]() You just don't play and mass blame people. Terrible. Who calls me Terrible. u suck bro You make the game truly unfun to play. Simple as that. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:40 GMT
#1719
I never said I wasn't going to actively vote with Koshi, but I've already explained who I'd like to vote today and why I think it's the best vote. You and him have both flip flopped 100 times, when I think it's pretty damn simple. Look I'll even drag out meta. Go look at loafery's other game where he was town and look at this game. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:41 GMT
#1720
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April 23 2015 18:43 GMT
#1722
There is absolutely nothing wrong with my reasoning or logic for wanting to vote loafery. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:46 GMT
#1726
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April 23 2015 18:51 GMT
#1734
On April 24 2015 03:49 Holyflare wrote: wave you holding out regardless of if you want to lynch loafery or follow koshi puts us in the position where i can be mislynched at the end of the day and only serves a mafia agenda, so unmafiaagenda yourself and vote on gb Stop whinging. Obviously when it comes down to it I'll switch to GB, not that I'll like it. I doubt it's as simple as loafery/vivax being the last two though. (Though admittedly it'll be kinda hilarious if true) | ||
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April 23 2015 18:52 GMT
#1738
Loafery HAS to be scum because they're voting you HF. If loafery was town we'd see two/three people on loafery now instead so they could engineer a switch knowing that's where I'd stay/be at the end of the day if I saw it was possible. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:54 GMT
#1742
If Koshi doesn't say a word for the rest of the day, I'll switch. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:56 GMT
#1745
At the very least if I'm going to risk giving you the satisfaction of winning if you're scum, I want the satisfaction of not having to listen to Koshi for the rest of the game. If the game continues on (if you're not scum) then he can talk again. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:58 GMT
#1748
If Koshi goes back on his word here then I switch onto you HF, and if someone on the GB wagon is scum and you're town we lose. ##unvote ##vote: Glowingbear | ||
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April 23 2015 18:58 GMT
#1750
You know it's truly sad, there is probably nobody in all of mafia I am so unbelievably unable to trust other than you. We could have done great things, you and I. | ||
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April 23 2015 18:59 GMT
#1751
On April 24 2015 03:58 Holyflare wrote: you are fucking mafia there is not a single way that you are not mafia with a post like that, that's absolutely awful You know that makes absolutely no sense HF. | ||
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April 23 2015 19:00 GMT
#1753
Like...you're a far better player than I am but at the very least I can still look really damn town when I need to, unlike you ![]() | ||
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April 23 2015 19:02 GMT
#1755
GB/loafery...vivax or VA? If it's vivax he played really well imo, if it's VA I'm going to be simultaneously super pissed at myself/him/everyone for constantly allowing him to go unlynched for his non-play | ||
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April 23 2015 19:03 GMT
#1757
On April 24 2015 04:00 Holyflare wrote: just because you dislike koshi who is a confirmed vigilante means you're willing to throw the game if you're town or actually push a mafia agenda if you're mafia i don't think you're a complete dick wave and i don't think you'd do that as town, especially not when i've been putting this much effort into a mylo so unfortunately you're probably mafia and vivax has probably lost us the game with his afking eghh. The fact that Koshi is town and we all have to vote together is the only reason you're right, because voting you on its own is not a mafia agenda. And once again, I don't think I'm a complete dick for wanting taunting and personal attacks against me to be silenced. | ||
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April 23 2015 19:04 GMT
#1758
On April 24 2015 04:03 Holyflare wrote: this game is a testament of why you should never sign up to more than one game at a time if you can't handle posting that much Are you referring to me? | ||
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April 23 2015 19:06 GMT
#1761
On April 24 2015 04:04 Holyflare wrote: yes but you can ask him to stop that or ignore him and play the game but you instead held the entire game hostage which i don't think you would do 'the entire game' the only one here who seems to care is you. And I have asked him to stop and go away multiple times. This isn't helping anything. You've got what you wanted once again, so now we can all just sit back and wait, unless there's something else you want to do. | ||
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April 23 2015 19:19 GMT
#1764
Jesus what's wrong with me I'm actually trying to sift through your filter right now as if I'd learn anything. | ||
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April 23 2015 19:32 GMT
#1768
On April 24 2015 04:29 GlowingBear wrote: I just got home and I have 6 pages to read, pardon me if I came to the last page and pointed this out I'll save you some time. Don't bother. Seriously. | ||
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April 23 2015 20:23 GMT
#1779
On April 24 2015 05:21 Holyflare wrote: Loafery played in a newbie game so he would be banned if that were the case. LOL KUSH HAS DONE THAT BEFORE Except he got caught, right? EXCEPT IF THIS TIME WHOEVER WAS RUNNING THE GAME DIDNT CHECK WITH GMARSH Oh my god it's amazing. | ||
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April 23 2015 20:26 GMT
#1782
On April 24 2015 05:21 Vivax wrote: And if loafery is kush he's like super mafia. How the hell dos this guy know about HF so much? Vivax you are a fucking genius if this is true. I mean except just 'cause WIFOM but why would he admit to knowing HF (and then lying about reading his games or some shit) in thread if scum? (kush, that's why probs) And also if so the fact that he's managed to avoid antagonizing me as well is pretty nice 'cause he loves to do that. | ||
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April 23 2015 20:26 GMT
#1783
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April 23 2015 20:36 GMT
#1789
Legit | ||
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April 23 2015 20:38 GMT
#1791
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April 23 2015 22:03 GMT
#1802
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April 23 2015 22:04 GMT
#1803
In the case that GB is town we lose. | ||
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April 23 2015 22:52 GMT
#1816
On April 24 2015 07:42 Holyflare wrote: Gb i don't care if you're town anymore. If you let yourself get mislynched it's on you for playing badly and choosing me as your target for dumb as fuck reasons and never rethinking it when evidence is provided. LOL. Spare us that bullshit please. | ||
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April 23 2015 23:18 GMT
#1831
Alright koshi ded tonight, loafery ded tomorrow. HF assuming this wasn't the stupidest bus of all time, itll come down to one of va/vivax I think. | ||
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April 23 2015 23:19 GMT
#1832
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April 23 2015 23:32 GMT
#1835
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April 23 2015 23:35 GMT
#1838
On April 24 2015 08:33 Holyflare wrote: Super annoyed that I'm amazing and you shit ony amazingness all game? plz. You're not that amazing otherwise LS wouldnt be dead Point stands that I'm still garbage if vivax is scum though. (im garbage anyway tbh) | ||
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April 23 2015 23:36 GMT
#1840
HF thoughts on VA? I'm assuming you townread him at this point, but why? | ||
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April 23 2015 23:41 GMT
#1843
On April 24 2015 08:38 Holyflare wrote: Va seems to give a shit and was my only town read at the start of the game. He was also the only one that tried to read me. I mean...that's kind of subjective and/or a relative term really. I'll give him another look later there's no rush, but I am do want to know what other people think of him when they get the chance. | ||
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April 23 2015 23:41 GMT
#1844
On April 24 2015 08:36 Holyflare wrote: Palmar shot by mafia really bad. So much this. | ||
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April 23 2015 23:48 GMT
#1848
On April 24 2015 08:42 Onegu wrote: A no lynch tomorrow might be right call. But I might lynch loaf for the ninja vote This might not be the worst idea. Although I don't know if narrowing it down becomes any easier if HF or I are the second kill. Still think I'd rather loaflynch. | ||
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April 24 2015 14:12 GMT
#1859
Yall know where my vote's going though. | ||
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April 24 2015 21:22 GMT
#1868
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April 24 2015 21:23 GMT
#1869
I mean I'll talk about other dudes but I still want loafery dead. Plus that makes lylo easier. | ||
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April 24 2015 23:05 GMT
#1873
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April 24 2015 23:06 GMT
#1874
And if you're scum you've already won. | ||
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April 24 2015 23:41 GMT
#1876
Probably | ||
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April 25 2015 02:37 GMT
#1890
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April 25 2015 03:29 GMT
#1894
On April 25 2015 11:42 Holyflare wrote: Don't forget your promise wave you gotta put effort in to talk about other people that aren't loafery Yeah you're right. Gimme a minute. | ||
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April 25 2015 03:30 GMT
#1895
On April 25 2015 10:41 Holyflare wrote: Basically waves scummy push on gb day 1 where he pushes that qt post crap could only be from ls or someone that knows gb is mafia. There's also the fact that wave analyses sickluckers posting at d2 and has 2 options (that sl is mafia with tmi or vigilante) he picks the latter for no reason whatsoever. This line of thinking is very mafiaish because it a) jumps to the correct conclusion for mafia who know the nk's to make despite not being the most obvious And b) highlights why sl was shot Waves posting on n1 has also been full of inconclusive drivel where he basically berates me and calls me scummy but actually continuously calls me town throught every single post instead. Also, when gb was yelling d2 and was obvious mafia and loafery ninja voted, wave ignored both of them (and he was around) to push oats. It is only after oats flips town that wave acknowledges and tries to push loafery for that ninja vote despite it being pointed out to him at the time. He also never really acknowledges gb being mafia and i have to force him to it instead. All of his filter dive on gb basically point out mafia things and wave concludes not mafia. It's very fishy. Most of his filter diving is fishy tbh. OH HAHAHA I JUST REALIZED I WAS RIGHT ABOUT GB AND THE MAFIA QT SUCK IT ALL OF YOU | ||
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April 25 2015 03:33 GMT
#1896
On April 25 2015 10:57 Holyflare wrote: When it came down to crunch time yesterday what happened to wave? He afk voted loafery the entire day and when koshi actually started to play he held the entire town hostage with his vote unless confirmed town koshi stopped typing and helping me. He was not helpful and did not cooperate well at all. It wasn't until i spammed forever that wave moved his vote and that was very very forced. HF let's consider something, shall we? Self meta, so this is pretty terrible and all, but consider what you know about me as a person, and what you know about me playing both scum and town. Does this really look like scum play to you? | ||
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April 25 2015 03:37 GMT
#1897
It's between him and VA for final scum for me. VA trying consistently harder as a game goes on actually looks more like the kind of thing he does as scum but I dunno, still kind of impossible to tell. I think it's going to be a complete crapshoot at LYLO, and that's exactly what scum want to hear but meh. Vivax On April 18 2015 06:43 Vivax wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 06:36 LightningStrike wrote: On April 18 2015 06:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 18 2015 06:31 LightningStrike wrote: On April 18 2015 06:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On April 18 2015 06:22 GlowingBear wrote: I'd rather lynch loafery tbh I'm kind of ok with a loafery lynch either. Pointed out how he's just been sniping from the sidelines. Seriously though guys, why don't we just lynch Koshi? Okay why is Koshi scum? On April 18 2015 05:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Also I kinda wanna lynch Koshi for afking a vote on me whilst never saying a single word and only pushing Oats. VA's vote is worse since he voting on a guy who most likely getting Mod Killed or Replaced. But VA is VA. Vig him or check him nobody can read that guy for shit. LS seems less shaky in his posting so I'm hopping on Koshi with Artanis. This "I will play like this and hope to be lynched" type of posting coupled with what he pointed out AND less than one page of filter is probably the best lynch. ##Vote Koshi I remember actually liking this post for his fearless read of LS, but consider that everyone he's talking about lynching/killing thus far is all basically policy. Palmar. Koshi. VA. The best part about this is that all of these players are town if he's scum (probably, VA COULD be scum with Vivax but seems unlikely to me), and they're easy as hell reasons to toss out for when they flip because they weren't really playing. | ||
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April 25 2015 03:42 GMT
#1898
And I still highly doubt Onegu is scum----though it makes me wonder about the RB on him. Is it likely for us to have a third blue role this game? The fact that GB was GF could be a red herring but at some point I want to consider what we do if we have a cop or something (and if scum just so happened to guess right and its Onegu or if he could be scum hiding/preparing for a claim/etc) | ||
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April 25 2015 03:42 GMT
#1899
On April 21 2015 01:23 Vivax wrote: His push on LS looks even more terrible to me now given it was the only guy he talked about after afking ALL of D1, but he doesn't mind throwing that accusation around when it isn't even true about me. I don't even want to make this my main point. My main point is his shitty scummy focus on people who are easy to lynch and he barely worries about anyone else except for meaningless prods. This is pretty interesting. Contradiction =/= scum but this is essentially all he did D1. | ||
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April 25 2015 03:46 GMT
#1902
On April 21 2015 04:06 Vivax wrote: Meh, I'll just trust you on this one cause I need to sleep and HF isn't happening. I doubt HF will be able to look townier over the course of the game, didn't work in Carol. I'll make sure it doesn't work. ##Unvote ##Vote Oats This is also....like he didn't even consider Oats at all, he just pushed HF all day and then we had to go he was completely comfortable sheeping me despite me announcing in thread how non-confident I was. The loafery kush snipe throws me off just a little. On one hand if he's town, picking up on that is super genius (even if it's not true, the fact that he thought of it lol) and the smurf sniping in this way looks towny because it showcases kush's scumgame pretty well if true. On the other hand if he's scum WITH loafery he could simply know this and be bussing? I dunno that feels like a stretch. Maybe I just ignore the loafery/kush stuff 'cause as fun as it is it's super weird. | ||
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April 25 2015 03:47 GMT
#1903
On April 25 2015 12:46 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2015 02:24 Holyflare wrote: On April 21 2015 02:15 Holyflare wrote: On April 21 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote: On April 21 2015 02:05 Holyflare wrote: Like you use all this surface level shit and none of it is content right now. How am I discrediting vivax's stance on me? Quote the relevant posts where I discredit him that isn't using logic. It's impossible. Everything he's said about me I've countered with my thought process and logic behind it. Yet you just ignore everything and write it off in a terrible false summation. Being AFK and suddenly voting on Koshi doesn't make him Mafia. If that was so, sicklucker would be right on Artanis, as you said it was his motive. The same goes for palmar who AFK voted Artanis. So your logic is based on a wrong basis. And you use this to call Vivax Mafia, trying to convince people he is scummy. By doing this, you bring suspicions on his motivation for voting you. This is discrediting. And I will again refer to the case. If sicklucker didn't scumread Artanis, he wouldn't arrive to the conclusion he was shot by the vigi. Simply as that. what the fuck are you writing? When did I say being afk and voting on koshi made vivax mafia? I just outlined reasons why vivax was mafia and none of it is contained in this post. To elaborate, Vivax's is mafia because when he accuses me of being scummy and discrediting people who don't vote for me he quotes post that aren't scummy in the slightest and don't needlessly discredit, they quite blatently point out scummy actions. This could just be awful vivax. However, vivax then says that I'm only pushing easy mislynches, such as LS and Koshi. He then tries to make my play fit a scummy narrative. He said I only lynched LS based on meta, which really isn't very true at all AND YOU SHOULD KNOW THIS BECAUSE YOU 10/10'D MY CASE YOU SCUMMY FUCK. Then he says i'm pushing an easy mislynch in koshi WHO HE IS FUCKING VOTING. If my pushes are only on scummy lurkers and he is doing the same thing but 10x worse then why does that make me mafia if he is town? Surely I should be capable of doing the same thing as him? Regardless, none of my play is focused on pushing scummy lurkers. I made cases on people I want to lynch. I made a case on LS, I made a case on you GB, I wanted to policy Koshi because I wasn't sure what alignment he was and was being a douche. None of this makes me mafia, it in fact shows i'm exploring possibilities and making cases which makes me town. Vivax doesn't comment on any of these cases he just afk's (he has 0 pages made since d1) and returns to vote for the person he said I was pushing as a free lurker mislynch (koshi). He asks questions that aren't relevant in crunch time, such as him asking "why did you change your posting style this game" instead of replying to the case about LS at all during the eod. Today he has only asked me questions that I actually answered just 1 page before he asked the question. Twice. His read on LS was "because he was honest" and then just afk'd and let the lynch happen without giving any shits while he just voted palmar (who is a scummy free lurker mislynch lolollol hypocrite). Basically vivax is writing me into a mafia narrative that he is exceptionally guilty of and ignores everything I write and just calls me mafia while he afk's and you follow him. Except your problem is you've called basically everybody mafia at some point or another this game and I never have any idea who you actually think is on a scumteam at any given point in time. Who is your scumteam RIGHT NOW, and let's go from there. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 25 2015 03:48 GMT
#1904
On April 25 2015 12:44 Holyflare wrote: Fuck you wave Stop it. | ||
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April 25 2015 03:49 GMT
#1905
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April 25 2015 03:50 GMT
#1907
On April 25 2015 12:49 Holyflare wrote: You/vivax/loafery/va/onegu My scum team has been the same variation the entire game dude. It hasn't changed at all. It's always been you/gb/vivax/loafery while you casually discredited everything i pursued on mafia. Yeah except there's two people now. Not four, not five. Pick two people. | ||
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April 25 2015 03:53 GMT
#1910
On April 25 2015 12:50 Holyflare wrote: Why did you ignore these points before??? HF I can truly say to you I don't care how butthurt you are about being ignored. I get ignored every single game. Get over it. Fact remains I found Vivax towny for the first day or two and I was looking elsewhere to scum, and didn't find most of your cases convincing/thought you were scum. If that's not good enough for you then keep your vote on me and fuck off, or work with me productively. | ||
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April 25 2015 03:57 GMT
#1912
On April 25 2015 12:55 Holyflare wrote: What on earth do you think I'm doing? You're one of my scum reads and I'm asking you why you ignored the now read you are pushing in the thread. And I gave you an answer. Getting butthurt about it doesn't help. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 25 2015 04:00 GMT
#1913
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April 25 2015 04:01 GMT
#1916
See you in 12h | ||
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April 25 2015 04:03 GMT
#1917
On April 25 2015 13:01 Holyflare wrote: People will follow my vote wherever it lands. It's the only way to play triple mylo. I'm going to vote you if vivax steps up and posts otherwise I'll vote him. Then if you don't plan on bothering with any of this, then why am I here doing anything? Onegu and VA don't agree with you about me being scum so you're welcome to fight that battle if you want to, but I'm certainly not. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 25 2015 04:06 GMT
#1920
On April 25 2015 13:04 Holyflare wrote: Show nested quote + On April 25 2015 13:03 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 25 2015 13:01 Holyflare wrote: People will follow my vote wherever it lands. It's the only way to play triple mylo. I'm going to vote you if vivax steps up and posts otherwise I'll vote him. Then if you don't plan on bothering with any of this, then why am I here doing anything? Onegu and VA don't agree with you about me being scum so you're welcome to fight that battle if you want to, but I'm certainly not. You're welcome to persuade me you're not mafia. Just carry on and ignore me. I don't feel like adding another 20 pages of uselessness to my filter. Loafery is by far the smarter lynch here and once again, if you think that Vivax and I are scum and you have the whole game, why are you bothering with him and trying to get him to talk? | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 25 2015 04:08 GMT
#1921
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April 25 2015 04:11 GMT
#1924
You're not going to get him to play. On April 25 2015 13:01 Holyflare wrote: People will follow my vote wherever it lands. It's the only way to play triple mylo. I'm going to vote you if vivax steps up and posts otherwise I'll vote him. This doesn't seem like you have an open mind in the slightest. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 25 2015 04:16 GMT
#1927
On April 25 2015 13:13 Holyflare wrote: Of course if he doesn't respond to me my views on him change. That's not even hard to understand. He hasn't responded to you or done shit all game, dude. If Vivax is scum he can wait another day. The lynch still will be and always has been loafery. I don't really care if you think I was just setting up for today, so far the thread agrees with me so YOU'RE the one with work to do, not me, especially since you seem to be hellbent on people who will actually attempt to play the game and you can learn more form. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 25 2015 04:21 GMT
#1929
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April 25 2015 04:27 GMT
#1931
On April 25 2015 13:22 Holyflare wrote: Well obviously i mean a considerable number of pages I don't understand how you don't see what I am seeing here. You're literally letting loafery off scot free for NO reason by stating your refusal to vote for him today and would rather someone who is obviously going to post today with or without your threats control what you're going to do. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 25 2015 04:46 GMT
#1936
I've already said I'm not going to pad my filter just to lick your *ahem* boots, especially since people have stated they're more likely voting with me today. If you have what to discuss that's a different story, but I'm not going to sit around just looking for stuff to post. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 25 2015 13:31 GMT
#1942
On April 25 2015 20:31 loafery wrote: Let me ask you a question then. do you think i am mafia by not answering your questions and do you think by my answering said questions do you think it will make me any townier than now. My answer is that it wouldnt make a difference. I have given you my fos and reasons for it. I was on you from d1 and then gb suddenly jumped on it too. Waves was on u d1. Va has been wasting his votes all the time. Va has been answering your questions good for him. Has he pushed anyone strongly he has not. I have been pushing you since the first day. I was wrong about koshi and sl and in the scheme of things even you. I even agreed with a mafia when he was the main wagon. If i were mafia wouldnt i have switched votes or put it on someone else rather than follow it through than face this scrutiny. Is this wifom. Who knows. If i were mafia wouldnt i have just killed you who were suspecting me rather than koshi who was doing nothing. They left you alive because your reads are wrong and its really hard to change reads thats been set concrete so they left you alive to make a wagon on me. First to 3 votes dies. Game on So one of your only real posts in the game and it's a monster WIFOM post. Solid. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 26 2015 16:51 GMT
#1975
##unvote ##vote: vivax | ||
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April 26 2015 23:04 GMT
#2006
That's nice. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 26 2015 23:04 GMT
#2007
And I'm probably gonna be wrong at LYLO too. Which means it's probably Onegu who's scum. | ||
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April 26 2015 23:05 GMT
#2008
I wanna actually win at LYLO and not hate myself like yamato in his recent LYLO failure. | ||
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April 26 2015 23:06 GMT
#2009
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April 26 2015 23:08 GMT
#2011
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April 26 2015 23:09 GMT
#2013
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April 26 2015 23:11 GMT
#2016
GF/RB/framer is pretty ridiculous. So if you die here tonight and you flip blue, we simply lose and again, it's out of my hands. If you don't flip, we lynch you. | ||
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April 26 2015 23:13 GMT
#2020
Nothing else to say because I'm not going to fight against a claimed redcheck I know to be categorically false. We either win or lose based on the flip or new information. GL guys. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 26 2015 23:14 GMT
#2024
I want to know if I stop playing. | ||
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April 26 2015 23:16 GMT
#2027
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April 26 2015 23:17 GMT
#2029
GG. | ||
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April 26 2015 23:17 GMT
#2031
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April 26 2015 23:30 GMT
#2036
I can't concede because I am not scum, but consider that extending the game just to be an asshole is not in my nature. I have conceded as scum before. I have absolutely no desire to fight against a claimed redcheck so unless something else happens, this is the last I will be posting in the thread. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 27 2015 23:18 GMT
#2058
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April 27 2015 23:20 GMT
#2059
Also makes more sense knowing my reads are often shit terrible. Also HF would have been nice if you had actually talked with me like I asked instead of thinking scum wouldn't kill you. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 27 2015 23:20 GMT
#2060
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WaveofShadow
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April 28 2015 00:58 GMT
#2063
K. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 28 2015 02:31 GMT
#2065
Oh man you know what sucks? I'm not even around for deadline tomorrow. Won't be home until close to 10 and then DnD session. I'll have to decide tonight basically. | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 28 2015 03:12 GMT
#2066
Then decision will be made. | ||
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April 28 2015 03:13 GMT
#2067
On April 19 2015 01:10 Onegu wrote: Something is bothering me but I dont think I should bring it up until day... Onegu I don't think you ever talked about this. What is it? | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 28 2015 03:20 GMT
#2068
I would generally expect scum to be more wary of shit like that. One big problem with this is he seems to be going pretty YOLO this game. 'RNGing' his vote D2, switching his reason for reading Koshi, trolling... On April 20 2015 06:30 Onegu wrote: People really need to be more like onegu.... On April 20 2015 06:23 Onegu wrote: Why so angry? Some decent posts after this but then immediately clings to the strongest two townreads at the time On April 21 2015 07:19 Onegu wrote: Like basicly I'm not enjoying this game and have 2 town reads WoS and HF rest of you are Null to scummy These posts make me want to lynch him. They REALLY sound like they come from scum. Can';t explain it all that well. Weak as shit suspicion on HF and then dropping it immediately? On April 22 2015 10:06 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2015 10:03 Holyflare wrote: because you have completely ignored him when we could have lynched him and are only pushing him now despite knowing all of this information yesterday and you are mafia so we lynch gb Then why wouldnt you lynch WoS... Like you jumping around is now starting to give me the heebie jeebies. Like yesterday you called GB 10000000% scum but didnt want his lynch and now WoS and scum but you are on GB lynch. Where are you really HF? On April 22 2015 10:37 Onegu wrote: Yeah I realize but what Im talking about is giving me heebie jeebies is the fact that you were 100000000% on him at the start of the day but wanted to lynch someone else.... and now you are all up in WoS.... Ehhhh nvm you are most likely still town.... On April 24 2015 03:22 Onegu wrote: I claimed blue who else they going to RB? Where did you claim blue Onegu? On April 27 2015 02:46 Onegu wrote: Ive given my vivax thoughts up multiple times. Uh oh...somebody's lying. lol...I don't even think I need to read VA's filter. Onegu looks super scummy upon review (does that mean I should vote VA? lol) I dunno he talks about voting for GB/Vivax a whole lot but switches off when it becomes convenient. When he DOES vote for scum he does with absolutely zero reasoning. I suppose I did the same thing but I'm town so it doesn't matter ![]() | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 28 2015 03:32 GMT
#2069
Gragh. K VA: On April 17 2015 12:11 VayneAuthority wrote: ##vote greatdeepsoul scared to post hes mafia Feel good about this post. Dunno why---I feel like general tells don't apply to VA necessarily but I dunno....scum should be more wary of joking about lynching afkers, no? Bleh On April 19 2015 08:12 VayneAuthority wrote: could be a one time vig or something like our les mafia team. anyways they shot 1 of my really strong townreads so thats a shame. This is so flat out wrong it's weird as shit. Doesn't even come back to it. Random VA thought: Blues didn't die at night so VA probably not scum lol. I mean unless Onegu actually IS blue but I have a hard time believing that. On April 20 2015 11:12 VayneAuthority wrote: ok i just dont like you keeping me on the edge of a mislynch its sketchy. I dont think you actually fleshed out this game yet why im a scum read of yours so that would help Hate this post for so many reasons. VA knows me better than that, VA isn't paranoid about being mislynched (oh wait mebbe he is I forget). VA's filter is super murky. LUBADIUBWSIFUWBS Think it comes down to once again the one who looks less obvscum ends up being the scum...gotta find that LYLO strategy shit | ||
WaveofShadow
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April 28 2015 03:51 GMT
#2072
On April 28 2015 12:42 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2015 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote: On April 19 2015 01:10 Onegu wrote: Something is bothering me but I dont think I should bring it up until day... Onegu I don't think you ever talked about this. What is it? Was about you thought dumping early into the night. Then say it now. On April 28 2015 12:44 Onegu wrote: Show nested quote + On April 18 2015 12:03 Onegu wrote: On April 18 2015 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote: Hi Onegu. Do stuff. Effective immediately. Sounds good. I'm green or blue, but not both. There is my standard game start claim. not really a blue claim but its what I do. I don't understand what the point of that is. Nobody would ever attempt to read you off of that. Care to explain why you lied about reading Vivax? And why you never talked about either him or GB really? | ||
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April 28 2015 20:26 GMT
#2085
Well one of you is terribke Can't figt cause at work So gg | ||
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April 28 2015 22:40 GMT
#2088
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April 28 2015 22:50 GMT
#2090
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