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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 27 2015 10:41 GMT
#821
Hmm... There could be something to LS. It's true that he ignored my counter to the Breshke TMI thing and voted him anyway. His added reason of Breshke being "meh" is pretty "meh" a reason to vote in itself.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 10:44 GMT
#822
On April 27 2015 19:39 Jean Valjean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 19:27 Breshke wrote:
I don't get why jean started the post with you should listen to me then went onto say that sandroba might probably maybe idk not sure be mafia


It is a play on a common role in mafia games, as well as a reference to the great work from which my name derives.

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 19:33 indignant wrote:
On April 27 2015 19:29 Jean Valjean wrote:
I don't believe there is ever such a thing as a concrete mafia read. In fact if you allow yourself to remove any hint of doubt or skepticism about your own thoughts, you're setting yourself up to fail.

I believe I had a significant conclusion, and I believe it also helps the rest of the players understand my motives better even if my conclusion isn't any kind of a solid read one direction or the other. It's much more important that everyone understands why I think what I think, rather than just what I think. I tried as best as I can to explain my thought process in forming this read. I think a conclusion like this is just as valuable to town as a strong town lean or strong scum lean.

I think I just found sandroba, and the reaction he created in the game, interesting.

But I can throw down much more concrete reads too, it's just that they're less interesting. Here is one that I feel okay about. I think Xatalos is town. I've thought he was town from the moment he called sandroba out for his opening posts because I just don't think mafia would target posts that almost specifically are made to look good, irrelevant of what I thought of sandroba at the time.

Then I quickly read through his filter in the past 20 minutes, and although it wasn't a deep dive, I believe most of his posts don't look forced or deceptive. I don't trust tonal reads as much as I do more concrete things, but I believe they are a helpful tool, and in this case I sort of confirmed my belief that Xata is unlikely to be mafia this game.

So yeah, I don't see myself supporting a lynch against him today.

That's cool and all. But Xatalos wasn't really a lynch target anyways. Don't get me wrong - every read you give will be appreciated but reads on actual lynch candidates are more important. Like SL or Breshke for example.


I understand why you feel this way. But I think it's much more constructive for me to simply progress through the game taking whichever direction I feel like taking, instead of forcing myself to read things I do not believe I'm ready to tackle yet. If nothing else, this townread on Xata, despite not being a lynch candidate, helps people understand my motives. In addition should I not reach any kind of a strong conclusion about someone's alignment being mafia today, I might default back to simply voting alongside the people I think are town, and now that I've explained in short why I trust Xata, I might choose to vote with him.

But we're far away from that part of the day and I have more things I want to read and share before the day is over.

Fine, play your way. But then make sure the bolded is really true and you don't just give 1 or 2 universal townreads.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 27 2015 10:47 GMT
#823
On April 27 2015 19:39 Jean Valjean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 19:27 Breshke wrote:
I don't get why jean started the post with you should listen to me then went onto say that sandroba might probably maybe idk not sure be mafia


It is a play on a common role in mafia games, as well as a reference to the great work from which my name derives.

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 19:33 indignant wrote:
On April 27 2015 19:29 Jean Valjean wrote:
I don't believe there is ever such a thing as a concrete mafia read. In fact if you allow yourself to remove any hint of doubt or skepticism about your own thoughts, you're setting yourself up to fail.

I believe I had a significant conclusion, and I believe it also helps the rest of the players understand my motives better even if my conclusion isn't any kind of a solid read one direction or the other. It's much more important that everyone understands why I think what I think, rather than just what I think. I tried as best as I can to explain my thought process in forming this read. I think a conclusion like this is just as valuable to town as a strong town lean or strong scum lean.

I think I just found sandroba, and the reaction he created in the game, interesting.

But I can throw down much more concrete reads too, it's just that they're less interesting. Here is one that I feel okay about. I think Xatalos is town. I've thought he was town from the moment he called sandroba out for his opening posts because I just don't think mafia would target posts that almost specifically are made to look good, irrelevant of what I thought of sandroba at the time.

Then I quickly read through his filter in the past 20 minutes, and although it wasn't a deep dive, I believe most of his posts don't look forced or deceptive. I don't trust tonal reads as much as I do more concrete things, but I believe they are a helpful tool, and in this case I sort of confirmed my belief that Xata is unlikely to be mafia this game.

So yeah, I don't see myself supporting a lynch against him today.

That's cool and all. But Xatalos wasn't really a lynch target anyways. Don't get me wrong - every read you give will be appreciated but reads on actual lynch candidates are more important. Like SL or Breshke for example.


I understand why you feel this way. But I think it's much more constructive for me to simply progress through the game taking whichever direction I feel like taking, instead of forcing myself to read things I do not believe I'm ready to tackle yet. If nothing else, this townread on Xata, despite not being a lynch candidate, helps people understand my motives. In addition should I not reach any kind of a strong conclusion about someone's alignment being mafia today, I might default back to simply voting alongside the people I think are town, and now that I've explained in short why I trust Xata, I might choose to vote with him.

But we're far away from that part of the day and I have more things I want to read and share before the day is over.


Oh, a potential sheep acquired?

Seriously though I don't dislike the back-and-forth thought process there. I often have the same fault of being a bit *too* (?) transparent. It may be confusing at times but it's also extremely risky to do as scum (more chances of contradictions etc.) so it's a townie leaning thing IMO.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
April 27 2015 10:53 GMT
#824
On April 27 2015 19:41 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... There could be something to LS. It's true that he ignored my counter to the Breshke TMI thing and voted him anyway. His added reason of Breshke being "meh" is pretty "meh" a reason to vote in itself.


he doesn't really revisit it or tell anyone to look into me when he is interacting with people later on which from what I remember is normally what LS does. To me it feels like he isn't trying to draw attention to it because he isnt confident he can push the read even though his posts directly about it seem to say otherwise.

On April 27 2015 07:49 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 27 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I here + Show Spoiler +
Dig won 3-2 vs Fusion and retains their NA LCS spot :O
I still not liking Breshke and Inspector Javert but I think Breshke is more likely scum than Inspector Javert since Breshke posts were pretty meh even on his large post it was very meh stuff.
##Vote: Breshke

OK so you say breshke is more likely scum than IJ but why is he more likely scum than anyone else in the game? Do you have no comment on anything anyone else has said?

I was agreeing alot with JAT post on Breshke and Breshke's large post wasn't good it was just a whole bunch of nothing when I had read it.



He also seems to dodge FF's question here could be unintentional
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 27 2015 11:06 GMT
#825
sicklucker... I have do admit I laughed at the "weak pussy plays" argument. It really was a weak backtrack though. Suddenly it was just some pressure to get marv playing or something? Quite possible it could be to save himself from the consequences of his failed push instead.

And if he did something similar as scum before too... Then again, that would almost seem like digging his own grave...
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 27 2015 11:09 GMT
#826
And the inconsistent push too...

I guess I wouldn't mind lynching him.

So basically sand/SL/LS in consideration atm
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 27 2015 11:15 GMT
#827
On April 27 2015 19:53 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 19:41 Xatalos wrote:
Hmm... There could be something to LS. It's true that he ignored my counter to the Breshke TMI thing and voted him anyway. His added reason of Breshke being "meh" is pretty "meh" a reason to vote in itself.


he doesn't really revisit it or tell anyone to look into me when he is interacting with people later on which from what I remember is normally what LS does. To me it feels like he isn't trying to draw attention to it because he isnt confident he can push the read even though his posts directly about it seem to say otherwise.

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 07:49 LightningStrike wrote:
On April 27 2015 07:47 Fecalfeast wrote:
On April 27 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I here + Show Spoiler +
Dig won 3-2 vs Fusion and retains their NA LCS spot :O
I still not liking Breshke and Inspector Javert but I think Breshke is more likely scum than Inspector Javert since Breshke posts were pretty meh even on his large post it was very meh stuff.
##Vote: Breshke

OK so you say breshke is more likely scum than IJ but why is he more likely scum than anyone else in the game? Do you have no comment on anything anyone else has said?

I was agreeing alot with JAT post on Breshke and Breshke's large post wasn't good it was just a whole bunch of nothing when I had read it.



He also seems to dodge FF's question here could be unintentional


His main contributions seem to be a listpost and a weak push with no real involvement... So it's not too good.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
April 27 2015 11:18 GMT
#828
2/3 are mafia probably: SL, marv, xata

I think SL/marv is the most likely pair. LS and sandroba have each said at least 1 thing I thought made them town.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 27 2015 11:20 GMT
#829
Page 34.
Mother company in Germany decided to install new firewall. Blocked TL because "Games Category". I dont know what this means for my mafia carreer.
I had a good night of sleep.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 11:26 GMT
#830
On April 27 2015 20:18 Inspector Javert wrote:
2/3 are mafia probably: SL, marv, xata

I think SL/marv is the most likely pair. LS and sandroba have each said at least 1 thing I thought made them town.

lol, what a clown
Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
April 27 2015 11:27 GMT
#831
On April 27 2015 20:20 Koshi wrote:
Page 34.
Mother company in Germany decided to install new firewall. Blocked TL because "Games Category". I dont know what this means for my mafia carreer.


Proxy, VPN, personal hotspot, phone, etc...
Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
April 27 2015 11:28 GMT
#832
On April 27 2015 20:26 indignant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 20:18 Inspector Javert wrote:
2/3 are mafia probably: SL, marv, xata

I think SL/marv is the most likely pair. LS and sandroba have each said at least 1 thing I thought made them town.

lol, what a clown


Maybe indignant is mafia too. Mafia likes to ad hom.
indignant
Profile Joined April 2015
1028 Posts
April 27 2015 11:30 GMT
#833
On April 27 2015 20:28 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 20:26 indignant wrote:
On April 27 2015 20:18 Inspector Javert wrote:
2/3 are mafia probably: SL, marv, xata

I think SL/marv is the most likely pair. LS and sandroba have each said at least 1 thing I thought made them town.

lol, what a clown


Maybe indignant is mafia too. Mafia likes to ad hom.

yeah yeah, sure.

Please enligthen me - how did you find out my 2 buddies? They did such a great job at distancing from each other yesterday. You must be some kind of town jesus.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 27 2015 11:30 GMT
#834
On April 27 2015 20:27 Inspector Javert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 20:20 Koshi wrote:
Page 34.
Mother company in Germany decided to install new firewall. Blocked TL because "Games Category". I dont know what this means for my mafia carreer.


Proxy, VPN, personal hotspot, phone, etc...

Only phone is an option.
Let's lynch marv!!!
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 27 2015 11:31 GMT
#835
anyway. Boring to phonepost. Marv is mafia.
I had a good night of sleep.
Inspector Javert
Profile Joined April 2015
314 Posts
April 27 2015 11:33 GMT
#836
On April 27 2015 20:30 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2015 20:27 Inspector Javert wrote:
On April 27 2015 20:20 Koshi wrote:
Page 34.
Mother company in Germany decided to install new firewall. Blocked TL because "Games Category". I dont know what this means for my mafia carreer.


Proxy, VPN, personal hotspot, phone, etc...

Only phone is an option.
Let's lynch marv!!!


You could also install Teamviewer on your work comp. and remote into your home comp. when you want to play games.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 27 2015 11:34 GMT
#837
Javert trolling?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 27 2015 11:36 GMT
#838
Btw this page is the meaning of life.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
April 27 2015 11:36 GMT
#839
Then I guess it's to troll and play Mafia at work by any means.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
April 27 2015 12:02 GMT
#840
Day 1 Vote Count

Breshke (3): Koshi, ObiWanShinobi, LightningStrike, Chezinu
marvellosity (2): Koshi, sicklucker, Inspector Javert, Koshi
sandroba (2): Holyflare, Xatalos, Holyflare
sicklucker (1): marvellosity, Holyflare, Fecalfeast
rsoultin (1): Fecalfeast
LightningStrike (1): Breshke
Xatalos (0): Koshi

Not voted (12): Sepulchre, sandroba, Vivax, Jean Valjean, rsoultin, The Shining, Stutters695, yamato77, rygart, indignant, Damdred, sicklucker

Given the current vote count, Breshke is most likely to be knocked out.
The voting thread is located here.
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