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Chezinu
United States7446 Posts
YOU MAFIAS NEEDZ TO FIND SOMEBODIES ELSE TO LYNCH. YES A BODY, NOT A + Show Spoiler + | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
rsou, all your posts are annoying. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
marvellosity (2): Inspector Javert, Koshi Breshke (3): ObiWanShinobi, LightningStrike, Chezinu sandroba (2): Xatalos, Holyflare Xatalos (0): Siclkucker (1): marvellosity rsoultin (1): FecalFeast Not voted (14): Sepulchre, sandroba, Vivax, Jean Valjean, rsoultin, The Shining, Stutters695, Breshke, yamato77, rygart, indignant, Damdred Given the current vote count, marvellosity is most likely to be knocked out. The voting thread is located here. Countdown: | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
Its weird that he said I TMI as scum but never eally pointed to a game where it happened. He also ignored Xat explaining how it wasn't TMI which makes me think he doesn't really believe it because he isn't trying to persuade anyone. ##Vote LS I also would be happy lynching SL this game because the fake confidence irks me | ||
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
I am not the fastest worker, but I do believe I can provide some insight. The first thing I want to break down without actually reaching any conclusions on what my actions will be yet, is sandroba. He is a controversial figure with votes against him. On April 26 2015 07:03 sandroba wrote: Hello guys. I'm happy to have finally rolled town. Looks to me we have ~ 1 and a half lynches per complete cycle based on my own HP. Seems sweet and I expect mafia/3rd party to have some powerful roles based on that. At the start of this cycle, Sandroba posted this, which I don't think is alignment indicative at all. Despite not saying anything at the time, I considered this to be more likely to come from town. On April 26 2015 07:04 sandroba wrote: This has become a trend lately for you afaik. Why do you even sign up for games if you are not going to care? Or do you just feel like you have to say this since you had simillar starts on both your past games as town? And this is even more likely than the first one to come from town. He seems to be genuinely concerned about the effort koshi will be putting up in the game, and not only is he concerned: On April 26 2015 07:13 sandroba wrote: You can do w/e, but I won't buy the lame excuse of not caring about the game for inactivity. If you want to post less that's fine, but I expect you to make your posts count. I even would prefer if everyone took the same aproach as it gets bothersome really quickly to read the recent games with the current level of spam and one liners. And LOL at you carrying me =) He is also cocky about it. After this series of posts sandroba didn't really post anything more that day and his next activity hour came later. I was tempted to comment, given that at least Xatalos had called sandroba out, that I believed it to be more likely sandroba was town. But at the time I decided not to comment for two reasons. #1: Sandroba is perfectly capable of fighting his own battles #2: More importantly, he set himself up to take a leadership role in town with these three posts. I felt that posting about him already instead of waiting on him to deliver on what I felt like was an attempt to become an important figurehead in this town, would help set expectations for him that he could then meet on demand. And #2 is precisely why I am somewhat uncomfortable with sandroba at the moment. Because when he next did come back, and I was hoping for some serious effort to actually lead the game: On April 27 2015 02:40 sandroba wrote: This thread is indeed incredibly dull. So far people I lean scum on like are LS and indignant (if he is jat). I see plenty of people are talking about my 1 and 1/2 lynches post. I thought about it some more and I suggest we use the promoter (which koshi pointed out correctly that it does 10 dmg) to make 2 of our inactives / people we cant read fight. That way we keep lynching into our top scum reads and dmg inactives and borderline people over time so we can either finish them off easily if people have dmg abilities or keep them fighting each other and kill them off. He complained about the state of the game. I'm not gonna comment on the mechanics side of it because I honestly don't understand the game yet. Then he followed up with questioning JAT: On April 27 2015 02:46 sandroba wrote: @jat I find your questioning of breshke quite weak and grasping at straws, do you agree with me or do you think you were indeed onto something? On April 27 2015 02:59 sandroba wrote: So I thought that you might have been just trying to stir something up in the beggining and purposefully just attacked someone randomly and that would be towny. I can't believe you were indeed genuine in your questioning, from what I remember you were a pretty good town player so that makes you likely scum. It looks to me like you were trying to find something to fake a contribution on and now you are afraid to back pedal. And finally a question to LS: On April 27 2015 03:04 sandroba wrote: @LS any commentary that isn't trolling, talking about past games, or random chat? I don't think these contributions fit the expectations that I had set for sandroba. I feel like he has failed to live up to the role that I thought his initial posts suggested. This is, obviously, something mafia is likely to do. However, I do not know, and hence I'm not even sure I should be posting this, whether he intended to follow up today. I just felt like I had to say something if only for my own sake of participating in the game. There is also the possibility that I misunderstood his early posts and he had no intention of taking a leadership role, although I think that's unlikely. At the moment I would support a sandroba lynch, but I am still working and I expect to have thoughts on more players as this day comes along. To clarify my position, I have no massive faith that sandroba flips mafia, I am not going, based off of his posting so far, to go out on a limb and yell and scream he's mafia. He might well be, and if he is the reason is that he failed to meet the expectations he set for himself (indirectly) at the opening of the game. But he might also just be town and have not been available yesterday or something. So yes, without a better alternative, I'd lynch him, because there exists at least one reason to think he might be mafia. But it's somewhat weak scumlean. | ||
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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indignant
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On April 27 2015 18:12 marvellosity wrote: I do wish we'd got a bit more from sand by now. rsou, all your posts are annoying. Agreed. Sandro might have contributed more than rsoultin despite the respective filter size btw. CHEZINU! What is you name? And why do you trust the people that train in you? | ||
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Holyflare
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indignant
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On April 27 2015 18:46 Jean Valjean wrote: However, I do not know, and hence I'm not even sure I should be posting this, whether he intended to follow up today. I just felt like I had to say something if only for my own sake of participating in the game. My guess. | ||
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Holyflare
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indignant
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Holyflare
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Xatalos
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Breshke
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
I believe I had a significant conclusion, and I believe it also helps the rest of the players understand my motives better even if my conclusion isn't any kind of a solid read one direction or the other. It's much more important that everyone understands why I think what I think, rather than just what I think. I tried as best as I can to explain my thought process in forming this read. I think a conclusion like this is just as valuable to town as a strong town lean or strong scum lean. I think I just found sandroba, and the reaction he created in the game, interesting. But I can throw down much more concrete reads too, it's just that they're less interesting. Here is one that I feel okay about. I think Xatalos is town. I've thought he was town from the moment he called sandroba out for his opening posts because I just don't think mafia would target posts that almost specifically are made to look good, irrelevant of what I thought of sandroba at the time. Then I quickly read through his filter in the past 20 minutes, and although it wasn't a deep dive, I believe most of his posts don't look forced or deceptive. I don't trust tonal reads as much as I do more concrete things, but I believe they are a helpful tool, and in this case I sort of confirmed my belief that Xata is unlikely to be mafia this game. So yeah, I don't see myself supporting a lynch against him today. | ||
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indignant
1028 Posts
On April 27 2015 19:29 Jean Valjean wrote: I don't believe there is ever such a thing as a concrete mafia read. In fact if you allow yourself to remove any hint of doubt or skepticism about your own thoughts, you're setting yourself up to fail. I believe I had a significant conclusion, and I believe it also helps the rest of the players understand my motives better even if my conclusion isn't any kind of a solid read one direction or the other. It's much more important that everyone understands why I think what I think, rather than just what I think. I tried as best as I can to explain my thought process in forming this read. I think a conclusion like this is just as valuable to town as a strong town lean or strong scum lean. I think I just found sandroba, and the reaction he created in the game, interesting. But I can throw down much more concrete reads too, it's just that they're less interesting. Here is one that I feel okay about. I think Xatalos is town. I've thought he was town from the moment he called sandroba out for his opening posts because I just don't think mafia would target posts that almost specifically are made to look good, irrelevant of what I thought of sandroba at the time. Then I quickly read through his filter in the past 20 minutes, and although it wasn't a deep dive, I believe most of his posts don't look forced or deceptive. I don't trust tonal reads as much as I do more concrete things, but I believe they are a helpful tool, and in this case I sort of confirmed my belief that Xata is unlikely to be mafia this game. So yeah, I don't see myself supporting a lynch against him today. That's cool and all. But Xatalos wasn't really a lynch target anyways. Don't get me wrong - every read you give will be appreciated but reads on actual lynch candidates are more important. Like SL or Breshke for example. | ||
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indignant
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Breshke
Australia3749 Posts
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Jean Valjean
France216 Posts
On April 27 2015 19:27 Breshke wrote: I don't get why jean started the post with you should listen to me then went onto say that sandroba might probably maybe idk not sure be mafia It is a play on a common role in mafia games, as well as a reference to the great work from which my name derives. On April 27 2015 19:33 indignant wrote: That's cool and all. But Xatalos wasn't really a lynch target anyways. Don't get me wrong - every read you give will be appreciated but reads on actual lynch candidates are more important. Like SL or Breshke for example. I understand why you feel this way. But I think it's much more constructive for me to simply progress through the game taking whichever direction I feel like taking, instead of forcing myself to read things I do not believe I'm ready to tackle yet. If nothing else, this townread on Xata, despite not being a lynch candidate, helps people understand my motives. In addition should I not reach any kind of a strong conclusion about someone's alignment being mafia today, I might default back to simply voting alongside the people I think are town, and now that I've explained in short why I trust Xata, I might choose to vote with him. But we're far away from that part of the day and I have more things I want to read and share before the day is over. | ||
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Breshke
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