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Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 25 2015 00:42 GMT
#124
lol i missed it :sad: :cry:

25 players so small T__T
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2015 14:25 GMT
#159
I want the real ace though
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
March 26 2015 18:13 GMT
#163
Whoever rolls balrog can you replace out first pls? I'd like to extend my perfect record with balrogs to 3/3
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 17:57 GMT
#5220
Hi everyone

So I've been skimming the thread each day. I was going to take notes until I saw that PMs are allowed at night, at that point I figured there's no point in trying to keep up from outside.

Anyway, it would be really helpful to me if people could say what exo has claimed to them about his role. This can wait until the night phase if it's information that hasn't been given out to the thread. This role has some pretty interesting mechanics that AFAIK haven't been claimed yet in the thread, although I could have missed something.

I feel terrible for Exo for going through what he is right now and wish him the best, but unless he worked with people in pms to find some kind of plan, I really really don't understand why he did what he did with his role.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 17:59 GMT
#5222
One more point is, I don't plan on reading every post in the thread in order or anything like that - that's just unrealistic, I won't get any research done, I'll burn myself out, and I will probably end up getting lynched for inactivity in like four days. However, I'll read filters and read interactions if they're pointed out to me.

I think I hear my advisor coming but I'll try and post a few initial reads soon.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:16 GMT
#5249
OK so false alarm. Anyway, here's my first read - this is something I've been thinking for several days now.

Remember that for all of these reads, I don't have the benefit of PMs so there's a lot of information I'm lacking.

So I think that Kita is mafia. The things he's pushing in thread and the kind of posts he's making are exactly the kind of things I remember him doing as mafia.

- Being really active.
Straight up activity has won Kita at least one game as mafia that I've been in where he was actually more active in thread than any townie; I distinctly remember the sentiment "kita can't be mafia, if he is we might as well give up because he's the only one being active." He's the kind of player who is confident enough in not getting caught out as mafia that he can put in a lot of effort and not just make a lot of posts but actually maintain thread presence.

- Being really active without actually accomplishing anything.
Think about it - who has he pushed this game? What has he really gotten done in terms of scumhunting? No one and nothing. And yet he's got a ten page filter, and has some of the longest posts (at least that I remember seeing when I was skimming the thread).

- Making the kind of posts that demonstrate effort without actually accomplishing objectives.
List posts. list posts and more list posts. But in none of those list posts does he really present and push a preferred lynch target.
Also the big early BH read post. So much effort, so little conclusion.
Same for the VE read post, really.

- Declining activity as the game goes on and his position is more and more secure.
Admittedly this one is based on my impressions, but there's a pretty clear scum motive to this trend.

This isn't how Kita plays as town. I mean, unless things have changed since I was here, but I remember Kita being someone who would make plans and push things - not necessarily cases but either cases or plans or coordination. Right now I can't say Kita is pushing anything except his own activity.

##vote: Kita
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:17 GMT
#5252
On April 04 2015 03:03 kitaman27 wrote:
Hi S&B!

I'm still not real clear how item transfer abilities work, but how would damdred give JAT the lurker item if it would have been bussed to koshi by hapa?

The fact that nobody has claimed the creation of it does make it sketchy though.


Hi Kita!
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:19 GMT
#5256
catching up. I am looking through damdread's filter but I may need this broken down for me.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:21 GMT
#5259
oh nm I see it.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:30 GMT
#5270
On April 04 2015 03:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2015 03:20 Keirathi wrote:
On April 04 2015 03:16 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 04 2015 03:15 Keirathi wrote:
Yes. Everyone who doesn't agree with JAT is scum. Woo!

Explain to me in which world it is better to risk the game on a random other lynch to let a single townie survive this day. Explain it to me in detail.

I don't even fucking disagree with you.

I'm just worried that for the big picture, this auto-lynch makes things worse for town. Nothing about his play today makes much sense otherwise.

Because scum has a huge lead thanks to a fucking idiot whos name I won't tell and because they take out towns leader in the process they don't have to care that much. That does not mean that we should not lynch the only 100 % scum we have.
Like you people can discuss other targets and do analysis about them as much as you would like but in the end we are lynching damdred today.


Here's how I'm thinking about this - we already have a game with a somewhat gimped lynch (majority lynch) with at least one ability to cancel a lynch (controlled by town but still) and potentially more.

In the last couple of Greymist games the lynch was also pretty underwhelming, and town powers were supposed to make up for that. It's definitely not out of the question that damdred could have some anti-lynch power - one-shot lynchproof, suicide bomb/vengeful, vote redirector. It's also not out of the question that he's just claiming scum.

The thing is, we can't just let him live. So unless we have some really reliable way of either killing or investigating him tonight, we kind of have to lynch him anyway and just grit our teeth.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:33 GMT
#5275
yeah ima be pissed if this is some kind of scum endgame, i fucking just joined.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:34 GMT
#5280
On April 04 2015 03:33 yamato77 wrote:
if your objection was that JAT would die, he won't

literally the same minute
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:36 GMT
#5283
So I guess we just keep going and assume he was fucking with us
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strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:37 GMT
#5284
and don't answer damdred, in case he can change targets and was lying about his soul bond thingy.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 18:38 GMT
#5287
Anyway - is anyone a playerlist-order-based dayvig by any chance?
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 19:00 GMT
#5311
On April 04 2015 03:59 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2015 03:58 Holyflare wrote:
we should get rid of this bh guy he's ridiculously useless/mafia


after damdred

and after kita

On April 04 2015 03:16 strongandbig wrote:
OK so false alarm. Anyway, here's my first read - this is something I've been thinking for several days now.

Remember that for all of these reads, I don't have the benefit of PMs so there's a lot of information I'm lacking.

So I think that Kita is mafia. The things he's pushing in thread and the kind of posts he's making are exactly the kind of things I remember him doing as mafia.

- Being really active.
Straight up activity has won Kita at least one game as mafia that I've been in where he was actually more active in thread than any townie; I distinctly remember the sentiment "kita can't be mafia, if he is we might as well give up because he's the only one being active." He's the kind of player who is confident enough in not getting caught out as mafia that he can put in a lot of effort and not just make a lot of posts but actually maintain thread presence.

- Being really active without actually accomplishing anything.
Think about it - who has he pushed this game? What has he really gotten done in terms of scumhunting? No one and nothing. And yet he's got a ten page filter, and has some of the longest posts (at least that I remember seeing when I was skimming the thread).

- Making the kind of posts that demonstrate effort without actually accomplishing objectives.
List posts. list posts and more list posts. But in none of those list posts does he really present and push a preferred lynch target.
Also the big early BH read post. So much effort, so little conclusion.
Same for the VE read post, really.

- Declining activity as the game goes on and his position is more and more secure.
Admittedly this one is based on my impressions, but there's a pretty clear scum motive to this trend.

This isn't how Kita plays as town. I mean, unless things have changed since I was here, but I remember Kita being someone who would make plans and push things - not necessarily cases but either cases or plans or coordination. Right now I can't say Kita is pushing anything except his own activity.

"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 19:03 GMT
#5315
Also - Geript told me it is okay for everyone to PM me copies of the PM chains they had with Exo. I don't know how I could prevent them from being altered, so I will be taking them all with a grain of salt, but everyone should go ahead and do that.

Crossfire actually sent them to me already, before anyone knew that this is okay. This actually makes me more suspicious towards him, rather than less, but I would rather kill Kita first anyway
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 19:06 GMT
#5317
ok bh we get it you only care about va
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 19:16 GMT
#5322
On April 04 2015 04:06 Crossfire99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2015 04:03 strongandbig wrote:
Also - Geript told me it is okay for everyone to PM me copies of the PM chains they had with Exo. I don't know how I could prevent them from being altered, so I will be taking them all with a grain of salt, but everyone should go ahead and do that.

Crossfire actually sent them to me already, before anyone knew that this is okay. This actually makes me more suspicious towards him, rather than less, but I would rather kill Kita first anyway

Lol, I asked GreY once I saw you replaced in. Since I pmed Exo, I thought it would be nice if the replacement was able to actually play the game with the knowledge the previous player had. Sorry for being helpful...

I appreciate it - it was just weird that you sent it to me but didn't mention anything in the thread about having asked if it was okay, made me think of a different place than PMs where people ask hosts questions sometimes. I don't think it's a big deal.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 03 2015 19:22 GMT
#5327
On April 04 2015 04:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2015 04:06 strongandbig wrote:
ok bh we get it you only care about va


oh, some context. I as lestrade the role-category-cop i also recieve the results, but not the target, of two other cops. one of them was marv the alignment cop, who was shot N1 but checked someone and got GUILTY. he crumbed no checks but had VA as a scumread. I'm pretty sure he checked VA.

i get it if you don't want to lynch VA today, during our first lynch, but i have zero comprehension of why people actually think VA is TOWN.

no i read all that when it happened, I have been sort of following the game

it's just you, like, refuse to acknowledge the evidence people have presented as to why the check may not have been on (probably wasn't on) VA - marv specifically saying in his how-to-cop not to check the first suspect

I don't have any particular reason to think VA is town but I'm inclined to discount the red check for a few reasons:
1. I don't 100% trust you in the first place
2. Especially since you really haven't talked about anything but this check
3. Especially since AFAIK you've never engaged the counterargument to this check
4. Especially since your intentional baiting of Koshi is specifically in line with your scum philosophy
5. Especially since you did the same thing to like rayn I think in a game where you and I were scum together
6. Basically I think you're scum too but I am less sure about you than Kita because of the missing-moriarty question
7. Also sometimes you just play shitty so this could be one of those times.
8. But since I think you're play is pretty fucking scummy and you haven't engaged with the counterarguments to the only thing you've been saying, I'm not going along with that thing.
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