EPTAperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal
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I'm not very concerned about the rogue, the no-lynch is practically impossible to use without him eating rope the next day. So I will focus on getting town people on positions 3 and 1. Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary. | ||
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Because none of his abilities are public, so it is doubly important to be able to put faith into him. The other roles give us something to work with. I also have a feeling the one that gets no immediate benefit would be all the stronger for it, but that is speculation. | ||
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On March 28 2015 11:19 yamato77 wrote: I want to lynch sicklucker. Vote me for that, I guess. Well that's the best campaign platform I've seen so far, at least. LightningStrike, in addition to comparing the meta of completely different people being a rather poor idea, I'm farily certain you're also confusing rsoultin for rikoty. | ||
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On March 28 2015 11:36 rsoultin wrote: lol nah he's not gonna confuse me for ritoky i usually am pretty playful upon entering a thread, so i can see where his read is coming from. the interaction bit is what i don't fully understand Yes my mistake, I guessed wrong it seems: On March 28 2015 11:37 LightningStrike wrote: I meant Snarfs not ExO for all my posts so far about her interactions so far. I just figured it was you two since your names could maybe look a little bit similar. If you're drunk. | ||
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On March 28 2015 23:30 Onegu wrote: The last one he mod killed himself then posted salt pics everywhere Sounds like a problem that will take care of itself either way, I'm unconvinced of the wisdom of wasting the lynch on that. | ||
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On March 28 2015 23:39 Onegu wrote: So who do you want to be warrior at the moment and who do you want lynched? Well my strongest* townread would be ExO, so I'd want him on Cleric. I don't really have a strong preference for the Warrior specifically, Keirathi seems innocent enough for now and ExO also trusts him so I guess that's good enough right now. I don't really have strong mafia reads on anybody yet, gun to my head I would go with Hapahauli but see the *. *"strongest" does not mean much, it's just a couple of hours into the game and nobody really did anything super townie yet. Nothing super scummy either, not a whole lot of alignment indicative things in general. Doesn't help that most people just play by meta which doesn't really do a whole lot for me. | ||
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No. | ||
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On March 29 2015 00:06 Onegu wrote: See my reason for voting BH is awesome! Well I do understand it now, however that doesn't change the fact that we don't need to waste our vote on a probable modkill. From what I'm gathering his actions also don't really have anything to do with his alignment (considering people saw this coming beforehand), so I think we could probably do better. | ||
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Because Blazinghand/Onegu motioned to policy lynch him before his latest bunch of posts that made everybody (me admittedly included) want to get rid of him. | ||
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On March 29 2015 00:16 justanothertownie wrote: Ok. But BH and Onegu want to policy lynch him for being an annoyingly aggressive and aggressively wrong lunatic in his last games as town. As you can see he is the opposite this game which indicates that he is scum. He isn't able to emulate his townplay as scum at all. Well that is possible, but neither of them said that. IIRC the only reasoning before was Onegu saying that Koshi "ruins themed games" or something along those lines, so I assumed Koshi's recent behavior was him showing that. Could very well be the two meant what you are saying instead. As I have worded in my original post it's just what I gathered from their implications, I don't really have the time (or, I admit, motivation) to check for myself. Either way, the far more important point I made was the first one - Wasting a lynch on a potential modkill (or if need be there surely is going to be some form of town KP) seems to not be the most optimal course of action. | ||
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If mods are treating alignments unfairly and not modkilling mafia like justanothertownie suggests, then we get a free alignment check. Not bad either. | ||
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On March 29 2015 00:31 justanothertownie wrote: That's not what I am suggesting. I am suggesting that Koshi will not make himself be modkilled as scum while as town he sometimes can't help it. Also I don't get why you believe that he wouldn't vote at some point to avoid a modkill as scum. Hm, I see. Well, I can't argue this, I just don't see what he would gain from playing like that. One more cycle of being alive wouldn't get him that much I can't imagine. Then again, his play makes really no sense from any perspective so maybe I should just stop overthinking it. | ||
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The two people who said Hapahauli is a Jester-type role I read as very town. It fits perfectly the kind of wtf play he has been doing and I think no mafia would say that in this situation - Hapahauli was (and is I suppose) the prime lynch target and as mafia they wouldn't care one bit about that, so long as it's not a mafia member getting lynched. Between rsoultin and VayneAuthority I think VayneAuthority seems like the smarter guy. So I'll vote him now since I can't fully guarantee being back before the deadline. | ||
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I'll try to read the last couple but it's looking like rsoultin on 1 and justanothertownie on 3, which seems decent enough, though I would prefer them switched around. But I suppose trying to organize that would just add confusion right now considering it doesn't seem like we know who we're going to lynch yet. | ||
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I also don't see why everybody moved off Hapahauli. He came in, called 2-3 of the easiest people in this game to call mafia mafia without adding anything. His post on Trfel is just fingerpointing him for saying "sicklucker basically claimed 3p" and running away with the most damning conjecture. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=109#2161 I personally read Trfel's post as "my mafia suspect claimed 3p so now there is a 0% chance he is town, let's lynch him", which is the far more apparant interpretation. Hapahauli doesn't even consider that, and I will randomly add the most damning conjecture here, because he doesn't care about lynching mafia he's just trying to survive. I haven't read all of the thread so maybe some people have better reasons for lynching Trfel. If you do I'd appreciate a link, or at least the name of the guy so I can check for myself. As is I think Trfel is just getting lynched because he's afk. Which is ok I guess but don't disguise it as something more than a coinflip. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:39 Hapahauli wrote: Yes there are better reasons for lynching Trfel. The ones that you skipped over in my posts in order to cherry pick an attack against me. No, all you do is harp on about the 3p thing. Repeating something three times doesn't make it three different points. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:59 Blazinghand wrote: wait, I can block jat! hehuehuheue ##unvote ##vote VE Oh really | ||
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On March 30 2015 08:22 Holyflare wrote: but it killed sl so i'm not particularly bothered Yeah you certainly aren't.. On March 30 2015 08:19 Holyflare wrote: let's kill sepulchre | ||
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On March 30 2015 08:29 Holyflare wrote: can you tell me why jat is your ideal warrior when you hadn't really mentioned him at all other than to say he was number 3 in the list and you want him as number 1, even though you only talked about how va was better than rsoul in power??? also never even mentioned me despite you agreeing that the trfel case was really weak, not sure how you formulate any of your reads to be honest I never said justanothertownie was my ideal Warrior, I just compromise. The point of that part wasn't that I really wanted justanothertownie as the Warrior but rsoultin as the Cleric. VayneAuthority who had the same town tell as rsoultin is apparantly not very popular. I would have prefered him over basically anybody on the list but I'm just one man. I don't really know how to put it, but I'm just not feeling you as much. Agreeing or disagreeing with me on things doesn't really factor into that. I don't mind you being elected I'm just feeling a bit better about justanothertownie being town. That's all. | ||
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Because my towntell being wrong would bruise my ego. | ||
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Obviously him using it on a mafia is the more likely scenario, but the mindgames might be happening. Using it on a townie with bad reads is a possibility. It's also well possible he didn't use it, but I'd prefer to minimize bad surprises. | ||
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On March 31 2015 21:53 Koshi wrote: It's ok. I think as soon as that person votes the vote count will show who he is. I don't think it means anything to his alignment. No it doesn't, which is precisely why I would prefer it to not even be an issue. If every vote is on one guy, we won't have the risk of a free mislynch just happening, maybe on accident. It would be dead people and just more confusion/derail than we need. I would prefer lynching Hapahauli over VayneAuthority, I still think VayneAuthority is probably town, while the best thing Hapahauli has going for him is Crossfire99 having called him mafia a couple of times. It's not that bad of a best thing to have necessarily, but it's not enough to make me think he's town on its own. And now that we can have very reasonable doubt that the redcheck was on VayneAuthority, there really is no strong reason to lynch him anymore in my mind. Meh, I have so many questions about the cop triangle thing, and I doubt I'd get any of them answered.. | ||
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I suppose this is a thing. Just as a note, VayneAuthority's vote counted double, so did one of the people on VayneAuthority. Silver lining is that Crossfire99 either didn't use his additional lynch power or if he did then on somebody who didn't vote yet, something less to worry about as well. | ||
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On April 02 2015 06:11 Koshi wrote: Some mafia get stronger by killing town counterparts. Hm. Could somebody tell me if this is known and confirmed and all those good things? Because I don't know how you would, seeing as none flipped yet (most likely) | ||
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On April 02 2015 06:31 Holyflare wrote: I was thinking about these powers that xfire made up. Don't they seem a bit too.... Tmi ish? Given we have a million cop roles now + the majority vote thing? Looks... Weird? Like who says majority before the lynch is majority unless you KNOW it's getting made into a majority lynch??? Would mafia know about the majority lynch? I would think that information is either public, or fully secret. Everything else would just be biased. | ||
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On April 02 2015 06:44 Keirathi wrote: You haven't said anything in the thread in like almost 48 hours. Where's your head at? Mostly confused. If Alakaslam isn't removed in an hour we'll probably have to lynch him tomorrow to avoid further bad surprises. If Trfel doesn't use his stuff to help out we'll probably have to lynch him the day after so he can't buttsex us either. Throw Damdred onto that pile too. Gotta hope for some town KP I suppose or the mafia just kill us while we're dealing with third parties. Annoying is an understatement. My strongest scumread is currently batsnacks, and I don't even know when we could ever get around to that one. I suppose I'll find out soon enough. | ||
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Alakaslam is still here too. Just great. | ||
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On April 02 2015 12:26 kitaman27 wrote: By the way, the Moriarty pool is likely this group of players unless mistakes were made (quite possible). Not sure if anyone narrow this down further. Sep, yamato, VE, JAT, snarfs plus the 3p claims that aren't verifiable @snarfs are you opposed to revealing your role? Seems to be a valid discussion topic. It's good to see my decision to not claim to you validated, I suppose. | ||
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I'll also confirm that Half the Sky told me about the redirection on kitaman27. Either Damdred is bullshitting, or mafia/3p/Alakaslam have a way to tamper with tracking checks, or something unthinkably crazy happened which is also not impossible I guess. | ||
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On April 04 2015 00:42 kitaman27 wrote: I'd be interested in hearing you opinion on batsnacks, VE and VA.. You have heard my opinion on two of those quite recently. And also not so recently too. I am not sure how this could possibly interest you anymore, and as far as I am concerned neither of these people are relevant to today's lynch. But in case you just typed this out to be annoying and fingerpoint me for "not having reads" or whatever your intention is, mafia, possibly mafia, town. | ||
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On April 04 2015 01:21 kitaman27 wrote: I did look before I asked and I do not have your opinion on those quite recently....at least to my knowledge. What are you referring to? I haven't checked because it'd be a pain but I feel like I've told you what I think of batsnacks and VayneAuthority about a million times and I'm not sure how it became "interesting" just because VisceraEyes is in there too, a person that's not going to be lynched today because I doubt anybody has something solid enough on him to justify lynching him even over a policy lynch of Damdred. I sure don't. So unless you're going to claim a red check on him I find him extraordinarily irrelevant right now. | ||
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Even if you were willing to tell me your whole plan tonight, which you almost certainly aren't (only partially because you can't PM) it wouldn't really impact anything. I know what I'm doing. Probably. | ||
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I am the good shepherd. I am the way. I am the truth. I am the life. In America. You hear that right kids, I am the All-American Jesus. ![[image loading]](http://impactmagazine.us/wp-content/uploads/American-Jesus.jpg) You think this is a joke? Come at me. I'll turn the other cheek with the force of a hundred suns. This town is full of blasphemy, faithless heathens that do not believe in the one true God and his one true Son. But I will forgive the shit out of you. Because that's how I roll, baby. The jealous Clergy infesting your temples may call me a charlatan, a sinner, a criminal you should be afarid of. But you shouldn't be. The corrupt Roman leadership you have elected, and especially the ones that have elected themselves without asking may rally the people against me with their rhethoric and incessant bickering, but they do not understand. It does not matter how many people hate me. Because I still love my children in sickness, death and yes, even stupidity. I am still ready and willing to die for their sins. Their lives and happiness is still more important to me than anything else. This is my mission. To deliver the message of God. A message of love. A message of understanding. And in the end, a message of life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. That's fucking right, everlasting life. Who wouldn't want this shit? You think you don't, but you do. I will forgive your sins. I will grant you eternity despite none of you deserving it. Why? Because I know you will deserve it. You don't now, but you will. Once the game is over you will look back on your foolishness and pettyness and you'll feel like shit because you'll know you did this to yourselves. But I'm already forgiving you for it. You're just human, to be human is to err. To be human is to sin. When I'm done with you you'll be more than human. And not in the fucking Nazi sense of that, we all know that those Germans will burn in hell. If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you. - Me. Damn straight. I'm quoting myself.Tonight is the night I'm bringing forth what is within me, and I'm doing it to save you. The Clergy are not my people. The Romans are not my people. But you can bet your ass my love is still gonna reach those fools. They will believe eventually. Most of the true sinners are still out there. They have tasted blood and they are coming for your houses, possessions, families, and too your lives. But the worldly leadership is too busy with themselves to look towards them. So I must. Tonight I will choose the one amidst you that is the most worthy. He, and only he will be spared tonight. Such are the limitations of the earthly avatar of the one true God. To the others I can merely say, fear not! Your souls will be granted access to the kingdom of heaven, free and far away from the corruptions of the physical world. I may die in this attempt, it is true. The whispers are that one of my own may betray and slay me. But silence your objections and dry your tears, for that will not stop me. To sacrifice yourself for another, that shall be the ideal that too an apostle of mine should strife towards. And fear not death. If you put your faith into me, death will just be another life. Tonight, you don't die. That may be important now, but tomorrow we do what is actually important. Not dying is just a symptom. Tomorrow, you live. And then, we rip out the evil at its root. ... Unless I got roleblocked again in which case disregard everything and we probably lose. | ||
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On April 05 2015 08:07 justanothertownie wrote: Sepulchre what the fuck did you do? I used Divine Intervention on Half the Sky. Which means she would have died last night otherwise. It's good that I didn't choose you, I figured you were covered after I checked the previous Greymist games to get an idea what the #but the future ability was going to do. | ||
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It's a one-shot ability that gives me a list of people about to die in the night phase and I can prevent death on one of them. If I target mafia or a third party with a victory condition conflicting with towns I die as a price for using it, so I needed to be sure it didn't do that. | ||
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On April 05 2015 08:24 justanothertownie wrote: Apart from maybe VE she was the least towniest person who died last night oO Not only do I disagree, but it also sounded like Keirathi and yamato had already used up their roles. strongandbig I thought was town KP because why would mafia shoot him, so I figured he was the highest risk to kill me. | ||
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On April 05 2015 08:47 Holyflare wrote: and here we see that kita was not targeted at all I mean, probably not, but all my ability told me is that he wouldn't have DIED. It's still possible he had protection or a Veteran ability. | ||
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But do continue to do what Holyflare wants you to do, after all he spams a lot of posts so you have to! This site.. | ||
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On April 07 2015 04:21 Crossfire99 wrote: So you being a "town" player know that HtS is 100% "town" because you didn't die when you "used" your "ability." Who is actually mafia then? We need 5 of them. You should actually try and help solve the game if you think we're so wrong, but you won't because you're mafia. You can't even lynch one of them, what do you need 5 for? | ||
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You mean apart from the fact that he claimed an ability that is demonstrably on a different mafia player? He also plays like mafia, but really, you don't have to take my word for that. Because. He. Claimed. Damdred's. Ability. | ||
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Guess that means I'm voting HF real quick. | ||
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But he wasn't a survivor either and I suppose that means Blazinghand is probably town with a third party out to kill them cops. | ||
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Also sad my zombie never truly came alive, I was looking forward to it the whole game  And Keirathi's was such a perfect role too.. | ||
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