Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

On March 28 2015 08:17 Onegu wrote:



Cool vote Onegu then.

On March 28 2015 08:17 Onegu wrote:



Cool vote Onegu then.

On March 28 2015 08:19 Keirathi wrote:

Rogue only gets to force a no-lynch if they want.

On March 28 2015 18:49 Onegu wrote:



Nope Onegu is cleric get rekt. Did you steal from me?

On March 28 2015 21:13 ExO_ wrote:


You could argue it's the same thing, but you need to find town more than mafia (for this particular day 1 setup). 3 really townie people specifically. I'd say its easier and more important to focus on finding and electing the 3 most townie people.

In my opinion getting really solid reads on scum is damn near impossible on day 1. It's a crapshoot of people spewing meta reads and bullshit. However I think certain people almost always stick out as super townie. Right now I'm not seeing the super town people. So until I think we're in the right direction as far getting townies elected that's what I'm going to focus on.

On March 28 2015 23:21 Onegu wrote:



Wants to kill Koshi and I'm down with that!

On March 28 2015 23:27 Onegu wrote:



Cuz it's koshi in a large themed game, need I say more?

On March 28 2015 23:30 Onegu wrote:


The last one he mod killed himself then posted salt pics everywhere

On March 29 2015 01:17 Onegu wrote:
Slam is town btw

On March 29 2015 01:17 Onegu wrote:
Slam is town btw

On March 29 2015 00:14 Sepulchre wrote:

Because Blazinghand/Onegu motioned to policy lynch him before his latest bunch of posts that made everybody (me admittedly included) want to get rid of him.

On March 29 2015 06:14 Onegu wrote:

Will you vote for me? Will give you something during the night if you do I am a salesman afterall

On March 29 2015 13:52 yamato77 wrote:
Is the LS thing because of this?





It is strange, but idk why a mafia would just choose a player to tunnel from the start of the game.

On March 29 2015 20:51 Onegu wrote:



I asked you for a loan

On March 29 2015 00:16 justanothertownie wrote:

Ok. But BH and Onegu want to policy lynch him for being an annoyingly aggressive and aggressively wrong lunatic in his last games as town. As you can see he is the opposite this game which indicates that he is scum. He isn't able to emulate his townplay as scum at all.

I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party.

On March 30 2015 03:09 Onegu wrote:



Seems like a town BH to me though...

On March 30 2015 03:17 Chezitwo wrote:

Then you can hold him accountable to it then.

Hapa has been lynched once as town ever, and it's not by playing like this that he has a nice unlynched record.

On March 30 2015 03:48 Onegu wrote:
But why are you stepping off of it HF?

On March 30 2015 04:50 Onegu wrote:
@ HF do you not want any Party roles or just not warrior?

On March 30 2015 04:59 Onegu wrote:



Just seems weird to me, you get pressure on who your would house for lynch so your bck off wanting warrior but still want a PR?

On March 30 2015 04:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
Booooo. This town lacks vision.

On March 30 2015 04:48 Onegu wrote:



So you town read me but don't want me to get stuff?

On March 30 2015 05:03 Koshi wrote:
kita/bh/hapa are mafia.

On March 30 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote:
hapa is totes trying to buddy me by copying what i said already

On March 30 2015 05:19 Onegu wrote:



You could just vote me for cleric... I did agree with you to kill Koshi for a while...

On March 30 2015 05:24 Onegu wrote:



I have a ability later in the game that can kill him if scum if I get my stolen item back so there is that...

On March 30 2015 05:58 ritoky wrote:


who should be removed for you and why?

On March 30 2015 06:02 Onegu wrote:

Meh really not sure about this..

On March 30 2015 06:11 Onegu wrote:



So town Koshi always reads you scum regardless of alignment, and him town revading you this game tells us what then? He obviously isn't likely scum atm, you are really off to me and I am standing by my TMi thing even if nobody else commented on it.

On March 29 2015 03:34 Onegu wrote:



Btw I really don't like this post feels like he knows I'm town. Like if I was scum I would want a josh I who I know can't read me for shit in this game. This stinks of TMI to me

On March 30 2015 06:20 Onegu wrote:


Why would I want to lynch you as scum? We just finished a game where you town cased me as scum where me and JAT were scum mates he knows this. So why post this if he doesn't think I'm town?

On March 30 2015 06:44 Onegu wrote:
Slam you think I hide that as mafia? Your vote please

On March 30 2015 06:46 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Lmao I've been freaking out about lynch being in 15 minutes.

On March 30 2015 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:
ok fine let's kill snarfs then

as long as we're not killing me I'm good honestly. I don't really have reads since this thread is a monstrosity and every time I leave for a half day I come back and there's 50 pages of "wat"

On March 30 2015 06:58 kitaman27 wrote:


Could you justify this post hapa? When referencing several other players, you attack them for not looking for mafia. Why is BH the exception?

On March 30 2015 07:03 Koshi wrote:

THIS GUY RIGHT HERE

On March 30 2015 07:11 Onegu wrote:
I need votes get on it people. Promise to confirm myself town by D2, with cleric powers combined with my role

On March 30 2015 07:13 Onegu wrote:
Looking at rsoul, slam, and BH

On March 30 2015 07:14 Onegu wrote:



Why not?

On October 20 2013 14:57 Blazinghand wrote:
don't lynch me

On October 20 2013 07:25 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah not having read the thread at all I think I can comfortably vote mocsta unless he's also an innocent townie somehow

##vote mocsta

On October 20 2013 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:
man that would require having read the thread. it's like my birthday a couple days ago and today I like went and hung out with my dad. I don't even know who's like in my house or who got shot or who even signed up for this game, i literally have not read thread.

On May 16 2014 09:41 Blazinghand wrote:
Sorry I'm actually like at dinner but after dinner I'll read. I don't see any reason to read things other than the filters of the other 2 mccains though since the last scum must be amongst us

On May 16 2014 14:33 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah same here. I might as well vote for posterity sake

##vote dicksmashcockguy

On May 17 2014 06:22 Blazinghand wrote:
yeah i haven't read anything thrawn cause the game is solved, I don't see why I need to? 3 blue claims, 3 lynches, scum is in the blue claims. is there any reason I need to be reading here?

On August 28 2014 10:49 Blazinghand wrote:
I haven't read the thread, because none of you worms are close enough to my level to merit my attention, and today is a lynch day.

On August 30 2014 02:55 Blazinghand wrote:
I have no illusions about whether or not I'm getting lynched. I don't have time to defend myself, so I'm getting lynched today, mostly becasue all you guys are too umad about how much I beat you at mafia to play a reasonable game. Ah well! You can apologize to me in post game

On August 30 2014 06:02 Blazinghand wrote:
dude i'm not reading 40 damn pages of posts, i'm at work. the only reason I could use the scanner is cause i'm the IT guy so I won't give myself crap for using it

On October 08 2014 01:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Hi guys, I've returned to the thread. I'm currently catching up, but I took a moment to observe that OO still hasn't posted anything of note, or anything at all really since I last mentioned him. This kind of lethargy and uninterest is not too uncommon for scum players, and might even be a scumtell for OO (someone earlier said that OO's meta as scum is to do nothing and be uninterested). Those of you who want me to formulate a case against OO, allow me to show you the entirety of his filter:








aaaand that's literally everything this guy has posted.

Surely everyone agrees with me here that someone like this can't possibly be allowed to live. Anyone complaining that people voting for an RNG target are opting out of the discourse, look at OO's filter and tell me with a straight face that he isn't also opting out of the discourse.

In any case, let me know if you guys have any questions or anything you want me to focus on as I catch up.

On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty much caught up on the thread, and it looks like there was some good action between hf/obi and storr/lian for me to check out. Before I dig in, I'd like to reaffirm my confidence that OO is the best lynch today.




Sure!

I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian.

I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544



Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating:



The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow.

I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say:



When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG.

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I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick

1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined.
1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something.
2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow

On November 01 2014 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok I won't actually have time to make a real case between now and 2 hours from now when I promised I'd vote by. Some dinner issues came up. However, as the best player here I still have an obligation to lead town to victory, so I will lead, as I always do.

It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch.

So here's what happens

1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here

2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively.

I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. In the past game, this has lynched scum 100% of the time and it caused town to basically win. You can't deny RNG.



In this case,
1 = OWS
2 = LT

etc etc all the way up to

16 = HF
0 = JB

(since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14).

+ Show Spoiler [player list] +

there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty

On November 02 2014 07:07 Blazinghand wrote:


The whole point or RNG, GB, is that I don't have control over who is lynched. Nobody does. It's RNG. If it was "I'm gonna use RNG, but only follow up on it if the guy is a lurker", that wouldn't be RNG, that would be "BH likes to talk about RNG but when the chips are down he folds" and I am not a guy who folds when the chips are down. I take RNG seriously, and yes, sometimes RNG lands on an active scum instead of a passive scum. That doesn't make it less valid.



Fair enough. Look at how GB has responded to RNG this game. Most people who don't like RNG just dismiss it, or call it bad (which eventually, it seeems he did). What GB isntead has done has said it was "disruptive" somehow (even though basically i was the only one voting along those lines) and responded with a counterattack against me. Is this how a town player, one who is familiar with RNG, would react? Why not just call RNG bad? Why not just call me scum for using RNG? Why call attention to the fact that RNG is disruptive to the town discourse, or say that it's unusually bad becuase it landed on him? This is not how my thought process would go if I were RNGed as town and I think it shows us that GB is scum.



Eh, I wasn't really planning to do it, but it turned out I had to go to dinner and didn't have enough time to do any other voting strategy or do a bigger analysis of the thread. I'm 100% sure I already said this. Didn' you read my filter?



Explain?

On March 30 2015 07:01 Half the Sky wrote:
I am assuming you've had more exposure to him as a player than I have had in my scant two games alongside him.

On March 30 2015 23:56 rsoultin wrote:


i'm amazingly awesome and female xP will this be the fun sorta questioning? you sent me <3s bats >> i think you run a secret underground business of ill repute with unwilling women

ze eeeevilness

that or i may still be slightly tipsy from last night after celebrating my VICTORY lolol

On March 31 2015 08:11 rsoultin wrote:
oooooh dead mafiosos! nice

kita can i trust you? >> i get the feeling i might be able to trust you >>

On March 31 2015 08:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Whoever killed Crossfire or visited VA last night pls pm me.

On March 31 2015 08:54 Onegu wrote:



Like if you were RB that's one thing but still I need it plz

On March 31 2015 09:00 Onegu wrote:



Lol like you should trust JAT

On March 31 2015 09:03 Onegu wrote:



Figure you the main person scum reading me atm

On April 01 2015 01:48 Alakaslam wrote:
is it your birthday JAT or is that just what you told the site?

On April 01 2015 01:49 Onegu wrote:
Used a ability

On April 02 2015 08:15 Trfel wrote:
I ended up keeping it for myself. I don't really trust anyone else with it.

On April 02 2015 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=217#4337

Anyone mind sharing their opinions? I was the only one to post a list of deadline reads and it has been 5 hours already and nobody has even commented.

Post-flip I'd bump obi up to town and yamato to null-town as a just mentioned.

On April 04 2015 05:11 Onegu wrote:



Damn and I wanted to know what my mask did so I could avoid making a duplicate

On April 04 2015 06:05 kitaman27 wrote:
Dunno if that falls under the generic cryptography rule or not.

On April 04 2015 06:28 justanothertownie wrote:

A good idea. No timestamps BUT:
Onegu, in your pm you send me when you said you trust me and what I should do you explicitly named 2 things that would be good. The second one is what happened.

On April 05 2015 03:36 strongandbig wrote:
Also - I want opinions on this. I propose that there are three factions, one of which has each sherlock. BH in some way knows that VA is on the other scum team. That would explain his tunnel and would let us kill BH without a claim from moriatry.

On April 05 2015 06:34 Onegu wrote:



Role PM. It's in the part about me getting MAJORAS mask by then.

On April 05 2015 08:11 Onegu wrote:



Nope.... And you need to give me back MAJORAS mask asap

On April 05 2015 08:16 Onegu wrote:



No idea but somehow you took it at the worst possible time I may just be VT forever now, I had until the end of n3 to have it.

And I got a broken mask

On April 05 2015 08:22 Onegu wrote:



I'm sure how my role works, also as per the op you can give items during any phase. And yes I know it's not caps but my iPad likes to cap MAJORAS

On April 05 2015 10:01 Blazinghand wrote:
uh, Onegu, this is important. apparently I don't actually have majora's mask, and it was an error on the part of the hosts. not sure there's any way to verify this really but I definitely DO NOT have it

On April 05 2015 10:11 Onegu wrote:



Then why would he try to help me make a item that has a vigi shot?

On April 06 2015 11:39 Onegu wrote:



If you town read me and you should then BH has been mod confirmed town through PMs I had confirming my actions and about majoras mask

On April 06 2015 11:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Hf, you claimed that the mods fucked you up and that you didn't have any checks. You hardclaimed survivor to me last night.

What are you?

On April 06 2015 11:51 Onegu wrote:


I know he targeted me trying to help make a mask for me. But because of how his role works it can't be inverted. He tried to help me make a vigi shot frame item. He knew I was being medic saved so if he is scum why help me make a vigi item, it doesn't make any sense for or scum BH to help town Onegu amke a vigi shot item.

Also JAT said someone didn't use a mask that person needs to talk to me tonight.

On April 06 2015 13:37 Onegu wrote:


It wouldn't be just a frame it would be a vigi shot also. Unless you can tell me why scum gives town me a vigi shot you are just wrong. He helped me get a vigi shot!!! Not voting BH.

On April 07 2015 02:43 kitaman27 wrote:


Says the guy with a 50 page filter.