EPTAperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal
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On March 24 2015 05:25 WaveofShadow wrote: Me too Whatever people can lynch me for being afk again My D1 is going to be somewhat inactive due to RL this weekend but should have zero issues after D1. And Greymist, thank you for the heads up. Deadline time is perfect...*happy dance* | ||
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On March 25 2015 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Blazinghand I would like you to know ahead of time that I will be loudly and vehemently opposed to RNG lynching in any form, regardless of my alignment. You have been warned/enticed. This, 100%. I don't want another repeat of Titanic, please. | ||
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On March 25 2015 04:45 Blazinghand wrote: part of the beauty of RNG is it doesn't require your permission to go forward, it only requires its own intrinsic qualities. Part of the beauty of RNG is that RNG is most effective....when ignored. <3 BH On March 25 2015 05:15 kitaman27 wrote: *Heads to Secret Underground Volcano Lair To Get To Work* LOL | ||
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On March 25 2015 11:49 kitaman27 wrote: More third party incoming XD This is a good thing in an Aperture game, right? | ||
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RL has kept me really busy this weekend, but hell yeah I'm town again thank goodness, so I'll use the scant time I have this weekend to give the best reads possible. Taking notes, and catching up, give me a shout if you have questions. | ||
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rsoultin also has a poor track record of reading me so again, not worried. Seeing Trfel's opening post now, Trfel's initial post is towny - he's just trying to have some fun, but the expectation is that he'll come back and give a slew of insights over time. | ||
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Votes for the party: Any of ExO, Keirathi, HF or Kitaman would do. Keirarthi seems pretty straightforward, and I like ExO's general approach/tone to his game. Kitaman seems to have the same approach (picking out scummy points as he can) as he has had in his town games in Carol and JOAT, and I am quite comfortable with him, even if he doesn't post that much. I'm also fine with HF's train of thought, and tone-wise he appears to be speaking naturally. Willing to lynch (so far): Hapa and Koshi. Now I've not played with Hapa before, but I get the impression (and call me out if I'm wrong) that as a vet and as a reputable player, he should be doing way more as town. He's taken a platform of lynching BH when BH already said pre-game he wasn't RNGing his vote. Which is problematic. And Koshi generally has a scum meta of doing jack all, and unlike JOAT, where he was modkilled as town, I don't recall RL reasons for him not contributing as much in this game. More to come. | ||
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I'm not running for any of the adventuring party posts, so if I can recognise the top towns and what they've done, especially if I know they have a good case on someone that is scum, I'll be fine with sheeping that for D1. | ||
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On March 28 2015 11:00 sicklucker wrote: Im the wifmo king so obv theres a chance im not the real vet but im never mafia here. I would do this as a third party tho but never as mafia it puts urself in the spotlight and would get me caught in a corner at some point. Im confirmed town or serial killer by my claim I'm sure someone else already said this, but I think SL could be third party because of this. I've always found him hard to read, and erratic as both town or mafia, but as third parties aren't readily defined I'm not sure why he'd explicitly name a 3p-like role as for what he could be. It just seems like TMI from that angle. | ||
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Was that a joke, has that since changed if it wasn't? And if you still don't like Kita, why? I was pretty content with him. | ||
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I'm inclined to think LS seems town. Just the stay the course approach to his arguments is what has me thinking this. He hasn't been particularly articulate as either alignment but the key for him is to see whether his activity drops off. The excuses where he's been cited for, he's made as both alignments. Rasputin, I feel I'm going to need more time to fully evaluate her. She's good at picking details out from what I can tell here, but she has tricked me before, most notably in Titanic, and if that game was of any indication, I'm probably not going to catch her until much later. | ||
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He's not a crazy case maker, nor is he an Eden or a Marv that spams like crazy trying to converse with everyone. But he's still reading as town based on his content. | ||
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Night kills might be a way to ferret him out - as scum, he tends to be a fan of a "shit up the thread" strategy, so the deaths of people who aren't doing much could potentially be a red flag. I know he mentioned something of the sort in the past. | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:19 WaveofShadow wrote: That's not so true anymore honestly. VA is consistently inconsistent, though I'm usually ok at reading him. This game I'm inclined to think town. The only thing he is consistently good at is blue/3P sniping as scum and in a game like this that's probably irrelevant. If scum he'll be the last to go down and easily caught by that time so I'm not pushing him any time soon. On March 29 2015 09:25 VayneAuthority wrote: its irrelevant what my meta is anyway in a greymist game, its completely different. I had a massive filter in the last one. There's a lot of setup stuff to talk about and generally more of the stuff im interested in. I like what WOS has posted on this page though, been a while but it reminds me of his town game Fair enough. If I should be using other criteria to read VA, then fine. Seeing as you're (presumably) more experienced, why are you reading him as town then? If not (lack of) volume, then what? | ||
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On March 29 2015 09:15 Chezitwo wrote: Could you just explain a little what in his content makes him likely to be town? A better question - can you explain what in he has posted you don't think he can post as mafia? What has he posted that you don't think he could fake as mafia? The Iron Bank thanks you for your continued business. The post where he calls out HF for his few posts is what jumped out at me. Tone-wise he's pretty strong in saying that and then quoting where HF read into his own games. | ||
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Right now, I'm good with rsoultin, JAT, Koshi, any of them in the adventuring party. All three are doing the detail-picking and alignment searching that I'd expect from each of their towngames, and their play is standing out to me right now. For scumreads, I just finished Snarfs' filter, and I'm also fine with lynching him (assuming Rasputin wins the lynch control). Going to dive a few more filters for more scumreads. I'm going to take a closer look at WoS and a few others. I fully realise why people don't like my play (looking at you HF) when I flip town, I think you'll see how RL can wreck my play. Next cycle I should have more than 2h of playtime, but for now, just going to carry on. | ||
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On March 28 2015 08:27 Sepulchre wrote: Thinking about it, the cleric is probably the most important role of the three. I'm not very concerned about the rogue, the no-lynch is practically impossible to use without him eating rope the next day. So I will focus on getting town people on positions 3 and 1. Finding mafia would be a plus, but seems secondary. On March 29 2015 21:57 Sepulchre wrote: @Holyflare's listpost: I disagree heavily with batsnacks, I'd put him next to WaveofShadow personally. I'm somewhat okay with the rest of the list to varying degrees. The two people who said Hapahauli is a Jester-type role I read as very town. It fits perfectly the kind of wtf play he has been doing and I think no mafia would say that in this situation - Hapahauli was (and is I suppose) the prime lynch target and as mafia they wouldn't care one bit about that, so long as it's not a mafia member getting lynched. Between rsoultin and VayneAuthority I think VayneAuthority seems like the smarter guy. So I'll vote him now since I can't fully guarantee being back before the deadline. Now I don't understand where he got this since VA isn't doing much if any analysing compared to rsoultin, who I'd like to see in the adventuring party. Can someone who's played an Aperture game before tell me if third party roles GENERALLY work for, against, or independently of town wincons? If the answer is against, then maybe Sep or SL might be good lynches, but if we don't know, I'd say leave them alone. | ||
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This game, looking through his filter...mostly anti-Koshi for reasons outside this game. Softed blue, which makes me extremely hesitant to lynch him right now, and I have zero knowledge of his scum meta, so I'm going to say don't lynch BH. Especially since he inferred in his filter he was busy because of the weekend. I don't like his "I'm not going to read 50 pages" or whatever, so I think he should be on a tight leash...if he's a blue townie he needs to play to a level that supports that credibility. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:58 kitaman27 wrote: Could you justify this post hapa? When referencing several other players, you attack them for not looking for mafia. Why is BH the exception? Here's my question to you (based on what I said previously on my knowledge of BH gameplay) - do you know BH to be a scumhunter when he's town? And if so, how much of it does it do relative to the top towns? I am assuming you've had more exposure to him as a player than I have had in my scant two games alongside him. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:13 Onegu wrote: Looking at rsoul, slam, and BH Am I misunderstanding? If this is your lynch list, why? | ||
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Lynching SL for being third party and not knowing that person's win condition is a bit short sighted based on how well and thoroughly town Trfel plays. This is what appears to look scumlike for me for Trfel. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:35 Trfel wrote: I was out for all of today. I'm 36 pages behind. Is there anything I need to know/do before End of Day? On March 29 2015 16:06 Trfel wrote: I personally like a sicklucker lynch. He's basically claimed third party. Can you explain why you are wanting to lynch sicklucker for being/claiming third party when 1 presumably you don't know what the third party wincons are 2 if you are town, you should be lynching mafia, so why aren't/didn't you re-examining your other scumreads (Damdred and ExO) from your last post | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:45 Trfel wrote: You're right, I don't know what third party win conditions are, but I do know that they have to be eliminated.I haven't yet had a chance to examine my scumreads.[/QUOTE] On March 23 2015 05:44 GreYMisT wrote: Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town I see what you're saying, but we don't fully know that. My understanding of this is that some can and some can't, but if you want to take a chance on SL, then I understand, and obviously you haven't had the time to explore anything else. | ||
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On March 30 2015 07:45 Trfel wrote: You're right, I don't know what third party win conditions are, but I do know that they have to be eliminated. I haven't yet had a chance to examine my scumreads. On March 23 2015 05:44 GreYMisT wrote: Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town I see what you're saying, but we don't fully know that. My understanding of this is that some can and some can't, but if you want to take a chance on SL, then I understand, and obviously you haven't had the time to explore anything else. | ||
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I am ducking out to attend to Guardians, but I'll return after the flip. | ||
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I'm headed to bed, open to PMs, will get to anything sent in the morning. | ||
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On March 30 2015 08:36 LightningStrike wrote: Alright I wont tell you guys who I will check and hope for the best that I don't get roleblocked so if we got a doctor power on me and a watcher on me too that would be fantastic. Why would you claim at night? Especially in a game like this you don't know the powers/abilities that exist? | ||
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On March 30 2015 23:07 kitaman27 wrote: Where's your spine? What was the good point about sicklucker because it certainly wasn't that nonsense about allowing the coin flip people to talk about something else. Did it come down to filter size for a guy who hadn't even been in the thread all day? I want a refund. I took another read-through of HF's filter, and he seemed to be wanting to go for Hapa/BH for the longest time, and then it was boom on sicklucker (pages 13-14 of his filter) for the meta/page length, which I personally couldn't fault, but I'll ping him for the same thing I did Trfel, when he was sure of SL being third party, and not fully knowing wincon, what made him that much more attractive than his other scumreads - he names Hapa/BH and I think he had at least bh in his list post. I think up to page 11 of the filter, he was gunning especially for Hapa but unless I missed it I couldn't quite figure out why he just dropped Hapa for sicklucker on page 13 without a change in read on Hapa. On March 30 2015 05:16 Holyflare wrote: hapa is totes trying to buddy me by copying what i said already This gives me the indication that HF is either scumreading or indicating a scum tell on Hapa. This was on page 13 of filter. And then also on same page, he goes right to sicklucker. I know he said at some point SL had the greatest chance of being scum (paraphrasing) but I can't see how he quantified that as greater than hapa when he was pushing or mentioning hapa more in the filter. On March 30 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote: i think we should default lynch sicklucker for having 3 page filter in a 101 page game when his mafia tell that he loves to talk about is having no filter /discuss | ||
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On March 30 2015 23:25 Holyflare wrote: so if a guy only posts low amount of posts as mafia and spams the shit out of the thread as town and he has 3 pages this game what is the alternative to think? I don't fault your rationale for lynching SL, but after a read-through of your filter, can you explain why you were content with a meta-read on a claimed third party where wincon is not known over your reads on hapa and bh, the latter of whom you were sure was scum (and you list posted him as such)? I failed to see where your reads changed on them, so if I did miss them, call it. Did you believe sicklucker's claim when he first made it? | ||
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On March 30 2015 23:32 justanothertownie wrote: HTS are you seriously questioning why people didn't want to lynch BH eod? My mistake, I'd forgotten about the BH claim when I was going through the filter. HF's filter seemed jumpy just reading it though, even leaving BH out of the argument I was trying to connect his thought process from going from hapa to sl. | ||
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On March 30 2015 23:47 batsnacks wrote: You might question RS then who went from snarf, to trfel, to SL without any of them posting and almost won the election. If I recall right, she was going based off thread sentiment entirely. I'm positive it was thread sentiment for her vote and not a positive read. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:48 rsoultin wrote: he is i don't have a ton of strong scumreads at the moment Approx 20 mins later, same page of filter. Another 20m later in response to you (Bats) On March 30 2015 07:21 rsoultin wrote: i think both are decent lynches. snarfs for the odd posting around hapa and the blah townread on chez i believe it was truffle cause while earlier i thought the whole 3p thing was more null than scum, the instant belief in sicklucker's claim is odd which all isn't terribly important since as i've said multiple times now, i'm going with the majority vote i've also confirmed that i can change the lynch as long as it's not too close to deadline Bats, she's giving reasons for her reads, even if the content was so little. I interpret this as having an equal pool of reads (can lynch from anyone in this group because she feels they are equally scumlike) and on page 10 of her filter she's saying multiple times she is willing to listen to the rest of town to lynch. I'm not sure I see anything wrong with this provided that her choices were in line with town's. | ||
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On March 31 2015 03:53 Holyflare wrote: basically he did some qq about being demotivated and gave us his role so probably a good lynch yeh LOL. I hope some town blue or third party that is able is reading this and takes him out ASAP. And HF, if true, I would think he's more than "probably" a good lynch, more like lynch it with fire category | ||
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Have your thoughts on Damdred changed any based on what you said on him before? Unless I misunderstood he appeared to be your strongest scumread. | ||
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I'm assuming he comes from a TL era where people aren't or didn't post as much as the current meta, at least based on this. On March 30 2015 07:44 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm still here Vayne. Reading and trying to understand the craziness and who exactly should be lynched. If I'm wrong, shout. I've also never played a game with him, either so I'm disregarding meta. On March 29 2015 12:21 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't feel like doing that much work nor do I think it will be particularly helpful. I haven't played with a decent number of the players here and I doubt I'd be able to really understand each person's meta. I'm not the greatest at reading meta for people I haven't played with a lot and trying to determine meta from just reading filters is pretty difficult and can lead to erroneous conclusions because I don't understand the context. On March 30 2015 07:54 Crossfire99 wrote: I looked at his the filter lengths from other games and he's put up 8ish pages on day 1 in linux and 11 in slytherin by day 2. He was scum in both and was dead for the rest of those games. He had 8 and 10 in PYP protoss and horn as town for both dying in days 2 and 1 respectively. I'm not sure if we can make a determination just based off of day 1 here. I think it will take longer to figure out based on filter length. I'm also wondering though if he's smart enough to post in a way he could get by as scum. I don't see too many original ideas on his end, and whilst his "I don't want to do that much work" made sense in the context of LS's response - to be fair LS has been criticised for not expanding on meta reads instead of just throwing entire filters - he's not pushing too much work in the way of his filter at all. Can someone who has had experience with Crossfire expand on his gameplay? On filter length alone I'm giving him the BoD, but on content, I'm not seeing much he couldn't be replicating as either alignment. | ||
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In the current meta, filter length is being made as an argument for scumreading someone, and there are players that I think we need to look beyond that (such as Kita, who is not a spammer for instance). Call it cautious but that's just my interpretation of the way some people play and based on my experiences with people I've not had a game with before. | ||
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On March 31 2015 04:55 yamato77 wrote: I'd much prefer if we talked about crossfire, btw. HtS just isn't mafia. I think we should. Sleeper scum likely. | ||
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On March 28 2015 08:07 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm probably just going to vote for the person who wants to lynch someone who I think is scum. I don't think we need to get any more complicated than that. Obviously, people will need to say who they want to lynch so we can do that. So we basically just play mafia. Let's start with this first. (bolded) His first two scumreads are LS and Hapa per filter. He is fine with either of them being gone, but then questions HF as to why he wants LS over Hapa. Somewhere discussion of LS falls off, presumably when LS claims (admittedly I havent' checked exactly when LS claimed, just that it's fallen off). He continues to push Hapa and then throws his vote on Holyflare, who was looking to take out sicklucker. In that post he also discusses BH. Now I know Holyflare was looking to eliminate Hapa before yamato told him (accrording to HF) to drop Hapa. If Crossfire voted HF after Holyflare started the anti-sicklucker campaign, then this actually proves that he wouldn't have cared who had gotten lynched especially as he'd gotten on the Hapa train. This is certain scumlike behaviour. I have to go back and search the thread, but this might shed more light on things. But yes Yamato, I do agree. I need to check and confirm, but content wise he looks poor. | ||
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On March 30 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote: i think we should default lynch sicklucker for having 3 page filter in a 101 page game when his mafia tell that he loves to talk about is having no filter /discuss On March 30 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote: i will lynch sicklucker for either being mafia or 3p with a good chance of being mafia for having 3 pages of filter because i'd feel like as 3p he's be just as productive as town it also allows all these "coin flip" ppl to talk more On March 30 2015 07:26 Holyflare wrote: a lynch on sl is a lynch on guaranteed not town! Holyflare talks anti-sicklucker for at least 60-90m prior to Crossfire voting him. On March 30 2015 07:39 Crossfire99 wrote: I had to step away, but I'm back now. I see now BH is a target but slam doesn't want him lynched because he and the lyncher will die. Hmmmm. Kita's post on BH looks good and I have a town read on kita, so I'd want BH dead, but not if it kills the lyncher which will probably be rsoultin. I'm thinking of voting for HF because he needs to be in the top 3 because he's town. Yeah, I'll vote for HF now. ##Vote: HolyFlare And no mention of sicklucker or Hapa in the post where he votes Holyflare. Even better he tries to use a filter length argument for defending sicklucker but if he believed HF was making the wrong choice, he should have at least pushed Hapa moreor moved his vote to someone that would have supported whom he felt was scum, just as he said from the off. I checked the vote thread. No such change. It was a soft push against. He's scum. | ||
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On March 31 2015 05:28 justanothertownie wrote: When did he do that? JAT, this is the post I am referring to (attention to bold). According to the timestamps 5m before EoD. On March 30 2015 07:54 Crossfire99 wrote: I looked at his the filter lengths from other games and he's put up 8ish pages on day 1 in linux and 11 in slytherin by day 2. He was scum in both and was dead for the rest of those games. He had 8 and 10 in PYP protoss and horn as town for both dying in days 2 and 1 respectively. I'm not sure if we can make a determination just based off of day 1 here. I think it will take longer to figure out based on filter length. It's not a "hard" defence, but he's trying to dissuade a sicklucker lynch. That's what I'm getting at. | ||
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On March 31 2015 05:33 Blazinghand wrote: so to be clear, Crossfire votes to elect HF while HF is pushing SL, and crossfire has a townread on SL, so he wouldn't try to elect someone who had a scumread on his townread. is that what you're saying? No he doesn't have a townread, but he's dissuading the lynch whereas he was pushing others (Hapa) more strongly. The expectation that he set for himself: On March 28 2015 08:07 Crossfire99 wrote: I'm probably just going to vote for the person who wants to lynch someone who I think is scum. I don't think we need to get any more complicated than that. Obviously, people will need to say who they want to lynch so we can do that. So we basically just play mafia. In essence, it was incongruent with what he said at the beginning. I can understand if his read develops or changes on an individual person or something but this isn't the case. | ||
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On March 31 2015 06:40 Crossfire99 wrote: Hi I'm back. Sorry for not being too active. Been pretty busy. Trying to do as much as I can do. I understand why you think I'm scum and don't blame you. All I can say in my defense is that I had to step away for like an hour or something and when I came back there was like 30 minutes left before the lynch. I wanted hapa dead, but it looked like that wasn't an option, and there were a lot of possibilities being thrown around. I knew my vote would matter for who got powers, so I picked HF because he was lacking votes and I thought he was town. I seriously doubted hapa was a lynch option because every major candidate had moved past him by that point. Unfortunately, I have to leave now because family stuff came up, so I'll have to redeem myself tomorrow because I doubt I'm a night kill since everyone thinks I'm scum. Bye. Holyflare was lacking votes? I'm pretty sure he was one of the leading, if not the leading candidate. In any case, this reaction is weird. Everyone doesn't think you're scum. Three of us (OWS, yamato, and myself) talk about you and you become ridiculously paranoid. At least you sound like it. | ||
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On March 31 2015 21:28 batsnacks wrote: I still think exo and sepu are great lynches. They were great lynches d1 and nothing has changed to make them less scummy than then. Exo responded by far the worst to my pms. He said I was scaring him. Do you think it has something to do with the fact he doesn't have much experience with some of the playerbase on TL, including you? When he's town, he doesn't post much but at the same time, he hasn't given much insight at all this game. | ||
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Sepulchre seems to be trying to figure out the mechanics which counts for a slight town lean in this type of game, and ExO isn't even doing that. Which is the difference to me, and the answer to your question Bats. | ||
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On April 01 2015 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm......removing my vote from VA. BH smells fishy and with all the bussing supposedly going on EVEN IF we believe that VA was marv's target, there's no guarantee that's who the check was on ultimately. Or that even if he DID check VA, that the check itself wasn't tampered with by a framer-like role. I've been discussing this cop trifecta/mechanics thing with a couple of people, admittedly I generally have a rough time in normal games grasping some of these mechanics lol. I had a town lean on VA going into N1 and a scum read from Kita's meta read on BH, so I was a bit surprised when I saw the red check at first. | ||
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On April 01 2015 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm......removing my vote from VA. BH smells fishy and with all the bussing supposedly going on EVEN IF we believe that VA was marv's target, there's no guarantee that's who the check was on ultimately. I've also sent a few PMs to him that have gone unanswered this morning. Although there's a wide time difference between the two of us so it could be a while... | ||
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1 People don't trust you 2 Check itself could have been tampered with. | ||
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So I think kill the right scummer and you'll be set free. That's how I'm interpreting that. Unless you have cause to think otherwise. | ||
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On April 01 2015 03:31 Alakaslam wrote: I do have cause to think otherwise. GLaDOS is a mechanic. I'm thinking this through. So we have to vote out a mechanic.... That's incongruent with the rules though what Greymist linked...sort of... 4. You may (not) vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game. Maybe the mechanic is owned by someone. That person (presumably a scummer?) dies and you can set yourself free. Maybe? | ||
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On April 01 2015 03:32 justanothertownie wrote: There have been roles in earlier greymist games that had to get people to vote for slams target which was not in the game. EBWOP - I was typing my last post when you posted this. So I stand corrected then, this would be a possibility. JAT, what were the consequences of voting a mechanic? Town favoured, scum favoured or neutral? | ||
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On April 01 2015 05:54 LightningStrike wrote: I so wish we can use skype and teamspeak for this game like Office Mini was it would make it easier for us I think to figure out the game. I disagree. Some of us are/have been playing this game at work. | ||
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On April 01 2015 05:42 kitaman27 wrote: He told me he was going to post some reads, but didn't want to share them privately with me and then proceeded to afk -_- How long ago was this? | ||
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On April 01 2015 22:44 ExO_ wrote: Just to clarify, the power only ends the vote at 24 hours. The person who's leading in lynch votes is still supposed to get lynched. It is majority lynch, and there was no majority. | ||
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On April 01 2015 23:06 justanothertownie wrote: Rsoultin was also the one to hardpush for the shitty glados thing - coincidence? Not entirely accurate. Eh, Alakaslam was the one who was kicking and screaming both in thread and in PM (pages 181-182) but Rasputin posted saying listen to Slam. On April 01 2015 03:20 Alakaslam wrote: Yes! As in, ##Vote: GLaDOS But I don't want to delay a lynch when it seems actually, fuck it. It's majority, it's an uncertain day whatever Koshi thinks, we need to help me help you help us all. Vote Glados and free the Alakaslam. On April 01 2015 03:22 Alakaslam wrote: koshi it really had better be because of your role. Otherwise, once I am free you will die, no matter what you are immune to. And I am going to need people's medic protects. K? Because by now I am sure scum knows who I am and fear me because only GLaDOS is keeping me down. On April 01 2015 03:35 rsoultin wrote: LISTEN TO SLAM WE NEED TO VOTE GLADOS IF WE CAN'T AGREE TO VOTE VA THEN THERE IS NO REASON NOT TO VOTE GLADOS jat will you help me on this -_- i have every reason to trust slam. if you trust me, help me Also looking at the votecounts, votes for GLaDOS weren't counted so I doubt they triggered anything but who knows. But yeh, Slam largely instigated it. But then she did revert back to VA and then unvoted again before the day was cut short. That last unvote maybe indicates she didn't know the day was getting cut short? And maybe wanted to look for other scum prior? Congruent with this... On April 01 2015 10:30 rsoultin wrote: lol me...the idea was to hold onto it so no one could use it, but...well, that's apparently not how the role worked as you can see. i gain absolutely nothing from ending this day early -_- blah I don't think she's scum. I don't see that last quote and the quotes around it in her filter being a scum mindset. Unless I'm misunderstanding a mechanic in there somewhere. | ||
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On April 02 2015 01:07 yamato77 wrote: Crossfire coming back is retarded, his role sounds like bullshit, and I want to lynch him. He "killed" himself because the writing was on the wall and he was going to get lynched. I don't believe for a second that he would choose to appear as mafia as some sort of gambit, it sounds too retarded to be true. Also rsoul knowing about it makes it even fishier. I don't like Crossfire's returning either, seems like it could be a scum buff, and I wasn't happy with his play at all prior to his death. I think his play was incongruent with what he claimed to be. Also unless I'm misunderstanding you, his role exists, just scum, BH mentioned a "Strongbad" check from one of the cops, so the role definitely exists. | ||
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On April 02 2015 01:13 Snarfs wrote: Well I think one of wave/yamato is scum at this point. They read each other very well when both town last game. You're referring to the student game, right? You realise part of the issue this game is that 2/3s of the game so far has been in PM land, and them posting less or not reading each other could be partially influenced by that, right? That apples to oranges comparison... | ||
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On April 02 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote: what?? damdred needs to kill ls??? he told me he was also just a survivor Alright I didn't know this, could be an alternative wincon if someone has more than one wincon. Trfel who was the other claimed third party said he had a similar survivor wincon, but survivor wincons can also be outlasting other people too or having some direction or not in gettnig them killed. For example in JOAT I had to outlast Robik (we were third party ninjas) I didn't necessarily have to kill him or vote for him. Claimed third party Trfel said he had a few targets but he couldn't directly kill them. Might be the same thing here with Damdred, who knows. I tried to figure out a bit more but Trfel then said he didn't trust me. | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:15 Trfel wrote: I ended up keeping it for myself. I don't really trust anyone else with it. Why is Trfel saying he kept the mask when JAT said he has it? Something is wrong here. | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:36 justanothertownie wrote: I don't think we are talking about the same mask. Onegu is wanting for Majora's Mask. The mask you need or have is....??? (FTR, I'm not in search or wanting for any items.) | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:53 Keirathi wrote: It's really, really, really hard for me to imagine a game where notmafia HF, jat, and kita are all still alive on day 3. :\ So last night I used a redirect power on Kita, thinking he might be scum. I realise kp is factional, but if he had some anti-town ability it would have reflected on me as a result. I have maintained a fear read on him since the beginning of the game based on a number of things in the filter (despite my initial town read), his track record as scum (database) and left my last will privately with 3-4 others that I trusted in the event something he did or took killed me as a result. Damdred had done some sort of test though on Kita and Kita according to him has come up scum with Rasputin coming up town, which obviously now is confirmed. I'm sure there's a mole in there somewhere amongst the people I talked to or left a last will, so it's possible that a scum Kita, if Kita is scum may have pulled his action back. I cannot know this. I had asked him what his role was privately and he didn't answer. Like not even a semblance of a response. I wasn't afraid to divulge what I had since I didn't think it was that potent in the grand scheme of things (not compared to other abilities being talked about) and honestly being town, I had nothing to be afraid of really. JAT probed me for my abilties as well, If him and Kita are scum together it's possible any action Kita could have taken would have been pulled back given all the individuals I talked to. LS is confirmed town, Sepulchre is almost certainly town based on all the PMing I've been doing with him, and BH is looking a bit better also given the PMs I've had with him. I'm inclined to believe and trust Damdred with what he's done, and I think Kitaman should actually be the lynch today. Pass the tinfoil hat. ##vote kitaman27 | ||
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On April 02 2015 09:05 batsnacks wrote: Here's a better plan: Vote HTS until Damdred proves he's legit. Associative reads? If you don't like Damdred, why are you voting for me and not Damdred? | ||
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On April 02 2015 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote: so damdred says hes going to leave the game and then doesnt and you think hes not a lying piece of shit at that point? his role is literally changing by the hour. And it can't in a Greymist game? | ||
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On April 02 2015 08:58 justanothertownie wrote: I just realized I am an idiot for not advising some people to make different nightactions. Well, it could be worse. Such as? | ||
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On April 02 2015 09:15 batsnacks wrote: I fine with lynching damdred if he's lying but I don't think voting him now is going to help anything. He either is or isn't and we'll find out soon enough. @kitaman That's all the info I have about the soul fragment: negative reputation = can pm, good reputation = can't pm Bats, you didn't answer the question. So let's try again. On April 02 2015 09:08 Half the Sky wrote: Associative reads? If you don't like Damdred, why are you voting for me and not Damdred? | ||
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On April 02 2015 09:32 batsnacks wrote: I'm voting you because you're scummy and I felt like voting because no one else was and I don't think kita is ever the lynch today, there's way scummier people (you). Redundant. Let's try this one more time. You're voting me because I'm scummy. Of course you should be voting for scummy people. What is making me such? You're voting me because I voted Kita? I voted Kita after you voted me. I hope that's not the reason. You scumread me D1 for being forgettable. I provided a pre-game RL reason for being inactive. I was in PM land all of last cycle. So you're going to need 1) a better reason to scumread me 2) other scumreads because there are multiple scum, and from what I can tell you don't have much in the way of any scumreads. | ||
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On April 02 2015 09:41 Keirathi wrote: And besides all that, it is exceptionally weird that you know Damdred is probably telling the truth about the soul fragment usage, and yet you still don't want to lynch kita? 100% | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:19 justanothertownie wrote: My problem with this game is that my poe list looks similar to what snarfs just posted but everyone on that list has stil something about him that makes me think he could be town. The people I really scumread in this game have all claimed 3p so far. Have you looked at the credibility of the 3p claims? Particularly when people made claims in context to urgency? Which one looked the most suspicious? | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:01 Crossfire99 wrote: Yeah, I don't need to wait any longer. I'm voting. I'll wait on you, kita, until the next day. Your actual alignment doesn't matter when looking at her weird interaction with you. She might have just needed to find another lynch. *shrugs* whatever. ##Vote Half the Sky Pot. Kettle. Black? This coming from someone whose gameplay has been bleeding scum from the off. Ironic. If you're saying I'm mafia, then you are 1000% mafia. You've been just about as vague, broad, and noncomittal as they come, you had probably the worst response imaginable to when three of us were pushing you N1, and my "weird" interactions with Kita (unless you're talking about the vote itself, which I couched specifically) are not only unsupported on your end, but what I did have with Kita was pretty straightforward. If anyone is scraping for another lynch, it's you. | ||
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On April 02 2015 12:26 kitaman27 wrote: @HTS So is your vote 100% based on damdred's item, that clearly isn't a dt check? As for why I didn't claim to you, I didn't feel that it benefited town. I know this sounds silly coming from the guy who is asking everyone for claims, but all these claims being thrown around makes the mafia's job a lot easier. This rationale (bolded) - especially based on your large list post - makes no sense. If you didn't trust me, or thought you were scumreading me you not claiming to me would actually make sense. IIRC in PM land, I asked you what you were. You had me on the townlist - maybe not a strong townread but if you were doing detective work as role hunting as you claim, I don't know why you wouldn't assume others, at least on your town list/townleans wouldn't be trying to see where you stood. You didn't even say "I don't trust you." When I questioned Trfel on certain things (and I'll get to him later, I have issues with him) he actually did say he couldn't/wouldn't trust me, so having that expectation on my end I don't feel is unreasonable. Damdred's rationale as he told me was based partially off his experience playing with you as scum (correct me if I'm wrong) and I had voiced my concern based on how easily (through D2) a lot of your posting can be done as mafia. Also an item doesn't have to be an explicit copcheck to uncover someone as scum. I have other scumreads, but I suspect you as the sleeper scum. | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote: Have you looked at the credibility of the 3p claims? Particularly when people made claims in context to urgency? Which one looked the most suspicious? I think slam is definitely 3p. His play is so retarded otherwise it is not even funny. He still has to go of course. Trfel I have no idea about but claiming his really anti town win con seems a dumb move as scum I guess? HF could be anything. I don't trust him at all. Damdred I hope is gone in a few hours. If not we need to kill him with fire.[/QUOTE] JAT, has it occurred to you that some of these potential third party claims could be pulling back on their game assuming survivorship wincons? Particularly Holyflare? I'm surprised they would, because you're not supposed to be playing any different from a VT as blue or pro-town third party, but on the other hand scum can't know the third party wincons. But I can't see how they wouldn't see HF as a threat. It's a weird dilemma. I agree on Slam. Trfel in particular has been the least transparent with (I understand) a number of people, and as for this game, aside from him saying I'm not trustworthy (presumably) to his cause in PM land, he's completely dropped off this game. He claimed to me early on in PM and after that I believe he claimed in thread, but the latter was in response to him getting a load of pressure in thread. I'd have to double check thread, but him mentioning him dying or something brought that out. Even in large games, if and when Trfel were to take a town approach, he'd be posting something. He's generally a low post count person, but I've seen jack all in at least a cycle and a half. I'm still pretty sure he's third party though based on having specific targets. If he cannot win with town, based on the OP, he should be on the lynch list. Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town So I think for third parties, we lynch into Trfel and Slam. Damdred might have weird dynamics with his role, but if what he said was true, he should just take his gold watch and go home when he's able to. His actions in PM seemed pro-town. And I was third party in JOAT and I can understand the pro-town sentiment even when it's not part of your wincon, because that's how also I played. I don't think for the time being, that's unreasonable. | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:25 justanothertownie wrote: I think slam is definitely 3p. His play is so retarded otherwise it is not even funny. He still has to go of course. Trfel I have no idea about but claiming his really anti town win con seems a dumb move as scum I guess? HF could be anything. I don't trust him at all. Damdred I hope is gone in a few hours. If not we need to kill him with fire. JAT, has it occurred to you that some of these potential third party claims could be pulling back on their game assuming survivorship wincons? Particularly Holyflare? I'm surprised they would, because you're not supposed to be playing any different from a VT as blue or pro-town third party, but on the other hand scum can't know the third party wincons. But I can't see how they wouldn't see HF as a threat. It's a weird dilemma. I agree on Slam. Trfel in particular has been the least transparent with (I understand) a number of people, and as for this game, aside from him saying I'm not trustworthy (presumably) to his cause in PM land, he's completely dropped off this game. He claimed to me early on in PM and after that I believe he claimed in thread, but the latter was in response to him getting a load of pressure in thread. I'd have to double check thread, but him mentioning him dying or something brought that out. Even in large games, if and when Trfel were to take a town approach, he'd be posting something. He's generally a low post count person, but I've seen jack all in at least a cycle and a half. I'm still pretty sure he's third party though based on having specific targets. If he cannot win with town, based on the OP, he should be on the lynch list. Town: Objective - Kill all mafia, and all third parties that can’t win with town So I think for third parties, we lynch into Trfel and Slam. Damdred might have weird dynamics with his role, but if what he said was true, he should just take his gold watch and go home when he's able to. His actions in PM seemed pro-town. And I was third party in JOAT and I can understand the pro-town sentiment even when it's not part of your wincon, because that's how also I played. I don't think for the time being, that's unreasonable. | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:44 Crossfire99 wrote: It's not only me saying your scum it is marv and he's dead and he is 100% town. 1 Someone can be 100% town but 100% incorrect on someone if they cannot read them. Marv has admitted openly in the past that I am hard to read as town when I am town. (bolded). On January 13 2015 20:30 marvellosity wrote: edit: one other thing, i did actually briefly meta HTS after rsoultin died, and my first thought was that she was a difficult player for me to meta because she plays in a way that i find hard to hard-read as town (when she is town) what i did notice was that in this game her pushes came much later than in her towngames, there was a lot more preamble and somewhat less direction. Thought it was possible she might play that way as town though, I don't think I read closely enough to pick up any inconsistencies there may have been 2 I interacted with Marv in PM land and I specifically asked him his scumreads in addition to myself. He backtracked on his previous read on me. Obviously you didn't know that, but this is what he told me in PM land. Original Message From Chezitwo: I don't really know about you, your posts haven't seemed too bad. My only real scumread is VA, and I have a lot of "they should be doing a lot more but aren't" scumreads that I'm not sure count as real scumreads. To sum it up: If you are sheeping Marv, try again. | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote: Jat and xfire have been lying to you all. I know Crossfire's filter has been a steaming pile of rubbish all game, nothing new there. | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:50 Holyflare wrote: Jat and xfire have been lying to you all. JAT's been lying about what? Also I find it interesting how Crossfire and HF are tagging each other... And JAT and HF doing the same on their most recent posts. | ||
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Totally my fault, posts obviously cannot be edited, so I will accept whatever punishment they deem worthy. Until then I will carry on. | ||
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On April 03 2015 01:59 Blazinghand wrote: I'm from the government and I'm here to help so what are we thinking today guys? any reason to not lynch VA? Here are the topics at hand: 1 Kitaman (yes this is on me) 2 The veracity of the third party claims, who is likely to be true/false, who is likely to have an anti-town wincon 3 Kitaman's list post - if you are townreading him 4 the HF/JAT/Crossfire interactions Slam seems to be the main candidate based on his anti-town actions and there's been a bit of focus on the third party people. | ||
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On April 03 2015 03:56 yamato77 wrote: having a bunch of 3P just exit the game is actually bad for us right now, it would be better for damdred to actually want to kill moriarty. This is something I tried to say after EoD. How many scum do we possibly have in a Greymist game? We are eight townies down, possibly a 9th if JAT misfired on VA. We need the third parties for parity especially if there's more than six mafia. | ||
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On April 03 2015 04:02 justanothertownie wrote: Which according to his role should not be the case. According to the database we're in deep shit. Aperture 1 - 20x town, 1x 3p, 10x mafia Aperture 2 - 19x town, 4x 3p, 8x mafia Aperture 3 - I can't tell but there's a link if anyone can figure out the numbers http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/328392-aperture-mafia-part-3 Basically if history is of any indication we have 19 players left, soon to be 18....um we are in serious trouble. | ||
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Big deal? He loses as third party if he cannot fulfill his win condition and gets endgamed with the town. | ||
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On April 03 2015 04:14 Damdred wrote: I've ran the numbers a few times we are one mislynch away from Mylo basically. And we don't even know what KP situations could occur at night if we ML again. Game might even end via subsequent night actions the way JOAT did if too many die. | ||
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On April 03 2015 04:17 Alakaslam wrote: What is your wincon Dandre's? He explained on page 234. | ||
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On April 03 2015 04:18 Damdred wrote: I have to eliminate Moriaty if I accept this last mission. Slam do you know who he is? Is strongbad a good guy or bad guy in the series? According to wikipedia, it's a negative connotation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_Bad Strong Bad is sometimes referred to as the main antagonist of the series due to his pranks that he, Strong Mad, and The Cheat play on the other characters, and his insulting of his brother Strong Sad. He seems to be a character influenced by the American popular culture trends of the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s, such as heavy metal music and the second and third generations of video games and video game consoles.[4] Since he is one of the site's most popular characters, merchandise has also spun off of Strong Bad, which includes t-shirts and sweatshirts sold by the website. Another reason Crossfire is likely scum. Zing. | ||
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On April 03 2015 04:20 justanothertownie wrote: ANd you think Frank Underwood was a very positive character? Or the mafia banned list? Aw hell, good point. Still Crossfire is almost certainly scum based on his behaviour alone. | ||
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On April 03 2015 04:20 Keirathi wrote: @HtS: That link you posted was a recap of Aperture 1. I played in Aperture 2. It was like...a 15 player game or something? There was 2-3 people in a third faction, 2-3 scum, the rest town. But for some reason it's not listed in the "Themed Games" list in the database thread. It is in my games played list though. Aperture 2: Part 2 was the one you called Aperture 2. Which was really aperture 3. This is aperture 4. Ahhh disregard my last post. I went to the OP for each game, and now I realise what you mean about the Part 2 thing. | ||
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I'm looking for any and all possible reasons for him to remotely consider a check on LS. Because it doesn't sound believable, and for someone of his calibre, I thought he'd be smarter than that play. He's sure played with LS to know his style, but D1, he's barely mentioned him as null in a long list post he doesn't even have explanations for most of his reads, plus several were calling for reads. A check per his content would have made sense N1 but not N2. On March 29 2015 11:56 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, maybe LS is mafia. On March 30 2015 04:41 justanothertownie wrote: Ok so this is roughly where I am at (Order doesn't matter): Do not lynch today: Koshi rsoultin Do not lynch without a very good reason: Obi Exo Kita Bats VA ritoky yamato Chez HF On March 30 2015 04:50 justanothertownie wrote: Null: LS VE Keirathi Snarfs Slam HTS SL Onegu Sepulchre Possible lynches: Trfel Damdred Crossfire Hapa BH Then jack all after that. What JAT said after LS dies: On April 02 2015 08:07 justanothertownie wrote: It also displeases me greatly that LS had to claim such an awesome role day1. Not remotely credible. | ||
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He claimed D1, and nothing from JAT except a null read. This is weird. Just doing a ctrl F search in his filter for LS, and there's not a lot of explicit mention of him on LS at all, other than others' quotes. Not sure if anyone who interacted with him in PM land can even support a proper rationale for checking LS. I know I can't. Interactions with JAT were limited to role hunting. I wouldn't be surprised if HF was right here. JAT/Crossfire/Kita scumteam, and JAT's knowledge of my role prevented Kita from fully outing himself after I targeted him. FML. | ||
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On April 03 2015 05:13 justanothertownie wrote: Also wtf is this supposed to mean? That you are quite capable of spamming useless rubbish as scum since people with large filters tend to be townread in this current meta. *shrug* | ||
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On April 03 2015 05:10 Keirathi wrote: This whole thing smells fishy. Kita: who did you target last night? Nothing happened to me. I'm curious to see if anyone got any checks or results on me. I forced a redirect action from Kita. Anything he did to anyone else would have occurred to me. I did not get anything from anyone and I'm still alive. It's possible I could have been roleblocked if he tried something though, I don't know. | ||
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On April 03 2015 05:16 Keirathi wrote: How do you explain that Damdred has a check of kita visiting slam when you said you redirected all of Kita's actions to yourself? I told about 4-5 people what I was doing. Check my filter. I even said it was likely that there could have been a mole in there, so as scum, he could have had advance warning. As a possible result, I could have gotten roleblocked, who knows. | ||
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On April 03 2015 05:19 justanothertownie wrote: THEN YOU KNOW THAT DAMDRED IS LYING. WTF ARE YOU DOING?!?? It is possible for me to have gotten RBed or stopped or whatever. Damdred could still be telling the truth if Kita's stuff went through on someone else and I got RBed or if he has some ability that prevents from redirect. I don't know. Mechanics have been crazy in this game. | ||
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On April 03 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote: There are only three possible outcomes in this scenario. Damdred is lying, Damdred is telling the truth and hts is lying. Or some mechanical craziness that nobody knows about. HTS can you confirm to the thread that I was part of the people you confirmed your plan on kita to This I can actually confirm. In fact, let me say who I told - BH, you, Sepulchre, JAT, LS | ||
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Wait. So Damdred is saying Kita targetted Slam and Kita's saying he targetted no one. Um.... | ||
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On April 03 2015 05:29 Damdred wrote: Kita just said he either visited everybody or nobody. I need him to explain that more Damn I missed that. | ||
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On April 03 2015 05:31 Damdred wrote: Kita just said that he either visited nobody or visited everybody. we need him to explain that, it could mean hts was messed with by someone in the group she told or is lying herself Nope on the lying part. If I was redirected or tampered with, something of some sort would have likely happened to me based on someone else taking action and not Kita even though I targeted Kita. If Kita was town and some scum in my group that I informed wanted to tamper with this I could have been killed or had some adverse effect to frame Kita especially as I told multiple people what I was doing. The fact nothing happened could indicate he was tipped off and chose to do nothing. It is more likely to explain an outcome using the lesser number of actions. And the least number of actions would be one - myself alone, with Kita holding back or not doing anything. | ||
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On April 03 2015 05:33 kitaman27 wrote: lol I'm not sure myself -_- I'll let you know when I am. Seriously Kita? Seriously? *puts Kita in the lynch with fire category* Someone please vig Kita. This is stupid. | ||
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On April 03 2015 06:28 Blazinghand wrote: hey HTS when you have some time, I'd like to talk a bit more about your role. let me know when you're around I just got home. Going to be in and out for the next 40 mins, but will probably be in bed by 2am my time. | ||
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On April 03 2015 07:09 Holyflare wrote: Bh is also mafia Are you saying this based on the fact he's not dead yet? | ||
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Still catching up, but I need to read filters. Kita isn't getting lynched so right now, any of VA (redcheck), Snarfs (general scumread since the beginning of the game), Damdred (possibly lying given that I 100% redirected Kita, and nothings happened to me....but it's very very possible Kita could be lying too) and the reversal in not leaving the game is quite weird, take the gold watch and run. It doesn't look like there's a competing wincon, and given he's very much in danger, I'd take a partial victory over no victory either by lynch or getting endgamed if kp hits the wrong people. Especially when it's unknown what kp mafia have at night, go when you are more certain. I need to examine the whole actions with Damdred/Kita, etc again and the possibilities and compare with their behaviour. I know in Titanic 7, there was this garlic ability that erased a target visiting someone, can't remember if that ability erased roleblocks. I think it did. In theory that ability could exist here. | ||
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Good night lovely townies <3 And damn you scummers </3 | ||
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On April 04 2015 03:11 Keirathi wrote: If you're town, why the fuck would we want to throw away another body when we don't have to and we're already getting short on numbers? 100% Although earlier I think JAT said he didn't care anymore, I don't know. | ||
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On April 04 2015 07:33 Damdred wrote: Hahahshahahahahahahahahhahhaha I win ..... | ||
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On April 04 2015 11:14 kitaman27 wrote: Who was the person that was PMing with Damdred, suggesting they were suspicious of me? 100%. That person was me. I was suspicious of your early posting. I discussed that with him and a few others. LS, Sepulchre and BH. I redirected action from you for that reason and I left notes with people in case it got me killed. Now that he's flipped scum, I know I was baited. Which means I'm likely wrong on you and you really did do nothing...unless he was bussing you D1, which is generally unlikely. | ||
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Kitaman is the town leader, and Yamato and S&B got shot instead of him? WTF? | ||
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On April 05 2015 03:30 Keirathi wrote: In particular, take a look at how she reacted to the thing Damdred claimed to use that blocked rsoultin's PMs but didn't block Kita's, and then how she reacted when Damdred claimed to watch Slam and saw kita/xfire/<whoever else> visit slam but she should have known that she used her claimed ability and Kita couldn't have been watched at Slam. On April 05 2015 03:36 justanothertownie wrote: It is really weird to be honest. She kept defending damdred instead. The fact that both of them completely ignored this was concerning when I first read this, but seeing as they both flipped town, I realise the sentiment was honest. The fact that Kita did engage me via PM to probe me about my behaviour D2 makes me think he is less likely to be scum than I previously thought. But now it's DAY FOUR and I have to take into consideration that it's possible he could be playing me, and based on Damdred's play in Titanic where he also tricked me there as well, Damdred isn't one to leave too many clues for his teammates as scum, so Kita isn't out of the woods, but a general town tell is that he at least tried showing effort to figure out my alignment when people have been questioning my actions. I was very busy celebrating Easter, so my time was limited to checking and responding to PMs. I only got back home once the resolution period was already underway (FML). I used my redirect ability (and informed Trfel and Kita as such) on VisceraEyes because I thought he was one of the big question marks in the game. But VE is now dead and confirmed town. | ||
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On April 05 2015 08:10 justanothertownie wrote: Then why are you not dead? Why did you go out on your own instead of pming me your actions? I didn't trust you at all JAT, but you've flipped now. GGs. | ||
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JAT I'm going to be blunt here. I completely fail to understand your logic. My English cannot be this bad, so I'm missing something here. Kita has been effectively playing town leader. VE probably got done in by town actions and no one has claimed jack all on yamato, who was also done in for last night. You are telling me you don't find Kitas survival odd? Do you know of any prot action taken on him to justify his survival? Also you were suspicious of me. Why HF and Bats over others you found suspicious? | ||
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Did you read my latest posts yet? What makes you so sure on me? | ||
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On April 05 2015 14:44 Onegu wrote: HtS what did you do to VE last night? I thought he was potential scum so I used a redirect ability on him. It was the same ability I used on Kita N2. If VE had taken any action particularly adverse action on someone that would instead reflect on me. Which is why I left messages with those I trusted as to who I took action on in case I got killed because of it. The reason I'm doing this is because being a very likely mislynch I'm more than happy to trade myself in if I can catch a mafia in the process. Also you're (presumably) POEing based on this not being my town game. If I recall right the only game I've had with you was Hammertime, a 9p IML vanilla game where everything is easier to grasp. I maintained in JOAT that my approach to large games is different and the mechanics in this game have confused me like hell. I already demonstrated how I was baited by Damdred (page 275 in case you missed it). | ||
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On April 05 2015 10:31 Half the Sky wrote: Voting Bats. Will try to look into things more tomorrow as well. Good night. HF, you missed my vote. | ||
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On April 06 2015 13:23 Holyflare wrote: this is the case on bh, anyone sensible and town should vote for him more likely mafia + reasons: kita: Trying to derail every attempt at people pushing information based lynches by discrediting and providing no input by himself, has all these "meta reads" but doesn't do anything with them or push them at all, s&b summed it up nicely and was killed. He even metad bh as mafia and refuses to even push him now  and hasn't done so since d1hts: keeps posting all these things about redirecting crap too all the peoples mafia reads.... told CLAIMED ANTI TOWN HER NIGHT ACTIONS LOL, afking and not really pushing, no input in relevant things, classic mafia hts (check void? for me catching her for same thing) sepulcher: has mentioned hts once in the entire game and nothing positive, no read on hts at all, says he read previous game to know yamatos power was towny and good for jat so he didn't save jat, decides to save the person he knows 0 things about even though he said if he gets it wrong he is dead, doesn't use it on yamato when he looked at the power and thought it was "obviously" saving jat batsnacks: claimed mafia to me after i told him my role (3p with checks) and instead of helping me win he was a douche and instead of saying it was a joke decided to try and say i was lying instead bh: see above On April 06 2015 13:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holyflare is probably Moriarty. Holy shit. Not only does this remind me of how scum Holyflare tried to take out the "easy" lynches in Carol, but he's doing the same thing here. 3 of the 5 scum reads are low-post count people. It's funny how I was dinged for doing the same thing in Void (going after VA/Bats/Slam) and he goes and does the same thing here. Funny that, now. Except I've now caught him taking what I said out of context. Let's focus on the following (bolded): hts: keeps posting all these things about redirecting crap too all the peoples mafia reads.... told CLAIMED ANTI TOWN HER NIGHT ACTIONS LOL, afking and not really pushing, no input in relevant things, classic mafia hts (check void? for me catching her for same thing) I have said multiple times now that I am using my ability to redirect FROM my target's actions ONTO myself. JUST THE OPPOSITE of this claim. I am redirecting "crap" FROM all the people's mafia reads TO myself. I am taking 100% risk by incurring any adverse effect from a potential scum. Why am I doing this? Largely because I'm being widely scumread, and with how severely limited my time is playing this game (Easter namely screwing over my playtime this weekend, with the only TL time being spent on moderating my own game) that's honestly the best I can do for this town atm. If I trade myself in at night, save a more towny person that could be targetted adversely, and get someone caught out, it's much better than getting myself mislynched. The fact I've been actively trying to get myself hurt/killed should be a huge indicator I'm not mafia. The fact you are blatantly ignoring this tells me there is something wrong. Now it's regrettable I got VE killed, but if you understand the rationale for my actions you should understand why this cannot be a mafia agenda. The only thing I am guilty of in this case is misreading people, and you amongst a few others should know my town play isn't the best town play in the world. Except you do, and your listpost clearly shows that you are trying to take advantage of us. As for my lack of posting, if people choose not to believe that I've been massively hurt by RL, there's nothing I can do about this. Which leads me to how Crossfire is pushing me on the dead people's reads. It's funny how he picks Keirathi and Marv - the former of whom has only played twice with me and the latter who has admitted he has a hard time reading me instead of LightningStrike, also a confirmed town, who has played more games with me than the other two combined and knows how to read me extremely well regardless of alignment, regardless of postcount, regardless of my agenda. Not that he'd know that about LightningStrike but his selective criteria is astonishing. | ||
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I realise my gameplay has been problematic for some people, but I definitely have an issue with how Holyflare is opportunistically trying to take me down, I have honestly stumbled through this game, with reads and figuring out whom to trust. The winning together argument makes no sense as third party, lynching me wins the game for scum, as third parties are also endgamed as I understand it. So his gameplay is a scum agenda. My vote is on Bats. I am also willing to vote down Holyflare given how he's hijacking things. EoD is 1am for me but being in and out, I will try and check my phone as best as I can and take questions. Should be settled by 11pm and try and just figure out whatever I can. If people want to know why I trusted Trfel, I made the same mistake as I did Damdred. Goes back to just me being blown out of the water this game. I'm on phone now, but when I get to my laptop in a few hours I will get my PMs from Trfel and walk you lot through everything. Honestly if Crossfire is voting me down and he's (tunnelled) town, to be blunt, this game is already over. We don't know how scum are voting because of the hidden vote. | ||
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On April 07 2015 01:21 Holyflare wrote: why do you keep calling my play a scum agenda but then not commenting on anything i say..............? Already did. You keep repeating largely the same thing. | ||
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On April 07 2015 01:21 Crossfire99 wrote: No, if we do that we have no chance of winning. As town we need all the help we can get. We need to lynch someone who is not batsnacks. Mafia still get 2 kp tonight no matter what. We need all the kp directed towards them we can muster. If that is from VA, then that is fine. Please do. You know it would be so much more satisfying to lynch HtS. We're in lylo. You realise there are 4-5 scum left (likely 5 given past games). Aside from me, who else are your scumreads? If you're town and not moving your vote off me, this game is over. There won't be a night phase. If you're scum, then keep doing what you're doing. | ||
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On April 07 2015 04:21 Onegu wrote: How much interactions have you had in PM land? And how is she confirmed? That's the problem I have with Holyflare. There's a huge difference in wanting to win the game, versus actually wanting to win the game for town, and he's clearly not in the latter category. The spam meta is also a huge problem and nearly anyone can shitpost if they want to. Anyways, it's a bit after 10pm here in Paris, which means I actually have a little less than three hours to figure this out. Of course if OWS and some of the others afked their vote on me, it's gg, but not much else I can do, my schedule has been all over the place. Onegu, I've had several interactions with both Trfel and Selpulchre in PM land, and for lack of time I haven't had a chance to actually walk through the PMs like I have with Damdred. A bunch of people don't seem to understand why I trusted Trfel, so let's start with that first. Hang tight whilst I sum up things. | ||
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On April 07 2015 04:12 Onegu wrote: Yeah ok this makes no sense. Like I have not had any PM with this guy past maybe day2 and only one message. Like I have been obv town since d2 so anyone not talking to me in PM land I am suspicious of. Fair enough if you're lynching me for the same reason, just mind, I talked with you D1 though about the mask. Had zero time D2, literally only responded to two PMs and that was it. Wanted to talk to Keirathi too but just didn't have the damn time Saturday. Aggravating, but if you want to know why I didn't interact with you D2, well I didn't interact with hardly anybody. (Still going through the Trfel stuff, think I have another 10 or so to go through) | ||
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On April 07 2015 05:29 Holyflare wrote: and besides WHO GIVES A SHIT, hts doesn't know anything to do with trfel helping get majoras mask or anything, all she knows is that trfel is claimed anti town 3p and nothing more you can absolutely NEVER trust someone who has a claimed power that they can guess a mafia nk and win the game if it's right... NEVER NEVER NEVER they just talk to mafia and coordinate and win because they are ANTI TOWN Actually I do because this was one of the things Trfel and I discussed in PM. That will be in my walkthrough. | ||
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On April 07 2015 05:39 kitaman27 wrote: You must realize that talking about Trfel is about the least relevant thing right now? I also think it's pointless but at least three people are trying to lynch me for it. It's astonishing really. Crossfire probably doesn't know how to read me, first encounter with him, I'll give him town points for trying to understand my rationale on Trfel. The rest of them who have played with me and know how scummy my town play can be have no excuse. | ||
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On April 07 2015 05:41 Holyflare wrote: please don't waste anyones time with a "walkthrough" plz just talk to us because you aren't being transparent in a wall of text nobody will read because half the people are afk, have a god damn conversation with us where you actually talk in real time and not this fake bs Can't have it both ways, Holyflare. On April 06 2015 14:29 Holyflare wrote: you have literally just flung shit in every possible direction just now and even claimed your power to an anti town which anyone reading this game would have the slightest sense to never ever ever do, jat was also mad at you for not being open about your powers to him and you made up some excuse about not town reading him (more like you never tried) you said you couldn't trust jat but conveniently claimed your power to both him and kita (who you also didn't trust) earlier in the game [...] if you can counter these points congratulations, I've got a good list of mafia here so to say it's anything like carol where i pushed easy lynches is terrible On April 06 2015 13:23 Holyflare wrote: hts: keeps posting all these things about redirecting crap too all the peoples mafia reads.... told CLAIMED ANTI TOWN HER NIGHT ACTIONS LOL, afking and not really pushing, no input in relevant things, classic mafia hts (check void? for me catching her for same thing) I'll say it again Holyflare. Can't have it both ways. You want to lynch me for trusting Trfel, now you're just as dismissive of any reasoning that I'll provide. Good job with the double standard. Good fucking job. | ||
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On April 07 2015 05:44 batsnacks wrote: Can you explain your read on trfel better? I don't understand. Coming up. | ||
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Why I trusted Trfel - PM by PM PMs 1-2 First off, he claimed third party to me in PM land well before he claimed in thread. So yes I was aware of this. He admitted early on that he was not sure where certain targets of his lay and thus he couldn't conclude whether his wincon was pro or antitown. He also told me that he had no ability to kill people. I decided I'd probe Trfel on what his wincon exactly was. His response - he needed to kill two specific people. Or more specifically, have a hand in their death by piggybacking off by voting them. If two of them are killed without his being involved he'd be removed from the game. Now the way I saw this was thinking that if some of my scumreads lined up with his targets, we could pair up on a town aligned agenda. At the time I responded, I threw at him my scumreads of Hapa, Yamato, Snarfs, with the possibility of Holyflare, and Keirathi, who D1, wasn't doing much, so I was a bit suspicious of him. PMs 3-8 Trfel responded that one of his targets was Holyflare as it was the only one that matched my list. He also told me that he had incentive to lynch scum, obviously getting endgamed he'd lose by default. He also told me his win condition was unique and didn't think any of his targets had the same ones. I then asked him what his reads were on ExO, Kita and BH. I also felt Keirathi was scum at the time because his list post D1 was horrible. Trfel thinks BH is "probably" scum. I was waffling on this because honestly I couldn't tell. He elaborated that he didn't like how forceful BH was in pushing the VA check. Kita felt like town to him, but I was fear reading him earlier. He was suspicious of ExO, but not anymore, and didn't think that him falling off was alignment indicative -he has done this before. I then told Trfel I had trouble reading rsoultin as I metaed her against her Titanic game. He then told me that he highly doubted she was scum. Summary/TLDR: Generally speaking I needed help with my reads because several people I saw worlds where their posting could come from a town and scum perspective. Trfel helped with with a few people and when they flipped I felt he was a person that could be trusted in some respect. Are some of my reads poor? Yes they are, you can see I'm off on a number of them. I don't have a problem admitting that. | ||
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On April 07 2015 05:49 Holyflare wrote: i want to hear your reasoning about trfel in a conversation not a wall of text where you just spend 40 minutes writing it and afk again I don't know about you, but I work full time, and can't necesarily be on the computer consistently every time I play. (Never mind the fact I'm not even in the country atm.) You, Bats, and Crossfire don't like my trusting Trfel - fine and dandy. The trust came from PM land. If you are town/townaligned third party, deal with it. | ||
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On April 07 2015 05:39 kitaman27 wrote: You must realize that talking about Trfel is about the least relevant thing right now? That being said, what are your thoughts going into EoD? Vote still on Bats? Who else is on your lynch list? | ||
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On April 07 2015 03:59 kitaman27 wrote: So HF is claiming to have shot xfire and xfire is claiming that HF is lying about the shot....and now they're working together to determine the lylo lynch and you're all content with that? Problematic, but after being tunnelled on me, Crossfire actually circled back on me and asked why I trusted Trfel instead of just saying "her play is scummy" (paraphrasing) in spite of Snarfs saying there's no world where I'm scum and he's town after his claim. . I think Holyflare is taking advantage of the tunnel. Relevant quote. On April 06 2015 14:35 Holyflare wrote: i'm half tempted to drop my bh vendetta and follow xfire to hts :D :D :D | ||
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On April 07 2015 06:03 batsnacks wrote: k I read the post and I still don't understand why you trusted trfel or why you're posting trfel reads with 1 hour left in the day ^^ EoD is not for another 2 hours? Am I missing something? On April 07 2015 05:44 batsnacks wrote: Can you explain your read on trfel better? I don't understand. Cause people want me lynched for it? Anyways if people think this is useless fine. Honestly whether people mislynch me or not, the fact we're 1) hijacked by third party regardless of agenda 2) not able to agree on a lynch let alone a scum lynch, town is pretty much done for in two hours. I've already explained my inactivity. Holyflare, if you're scum, congratulations, if you aren't, you honestly deserve to lose with the rest of us. I'll take the blame for any of the mistakes I made this game, namely my bad reads in general, but lesson learnt for those of you who don't know me well - inactivity isn't a scum tell for me (I realise it's poor form, but I'm just being brutally honest.) | ||
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Actually if JAT is still voting Bats, that's three of us on Bats. 5 on me (HF, Bats, Onegu, Xfire, OWS) from what I can tell. That's 8/11 accounted for. OWS is likely conf town, Onegu is town. | ||
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Bats (4): Kita, JAT, HTS, Snarfs HTS (5): HF, OWS, Onegu, Xfire, Bats We need Onegu and OWS to switch. I forget where BH stood offhand. That's our six. THERE IS HOPE. | ||
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On April 07 2015 06:25 Snarfs wrote: I'm pretty sure dead JAT doesn't get a vote -_- ROFLMAO. I meant BH. | ||
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On April 07 2015 03:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If HF is scum then he won't lynch batsnacks anyway. If HF is 3p then we can't lynch batsnacks anyway. I don't think we're getting a batsnacks lynch today. Will you be our sixth? *dances* | ||
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On April 07 2015 06:36 Onegu wrote: @HtS when did trfel tell you about majoras mask? I want to say very late N1 or first thing N2. I didn't get to that PM, but hold on. | ||
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On April 07 2015 06:36 Onegu wrote: @HtS when did trfel tell you about majoras mask? Off hand I recall him saying he wasn't giving it to you, because he didn't trust you. Mired in PMs atm. Let me confirm. | ||
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I know he was busy IRL because he suffered from the same problem in Guardians and he also fell behind entirely in that game too. His reads were off in Guardians - I hosted that game so I had perfect information as the game was in progress - and I had just dismissed it as just being off here too. | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:44 Holyflare wrote: who are kitamans scum reads? 0 ppl while he afk's to victory who were hts' scum reads? 0 people because she just posted about trfel who is dead Still taking shit out of context, called you on it twice. Third time's a charm! \o/ | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:47 kitaman27 wrote: So we have myself, snarf, obi, and onegu voting together. Anyone that feels that all four of us are mafia should vote elsewhere, otherwise you need to vote together. I am voting Holyflare. | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:40 Crossfire99 wrote: Don't give into the temptation. Vote for HtS. HF will come around. If you think he's scum too you should probably vote for him. | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:52 kitaman27 wrote: As if you haven't flamed enough people already. 100% | ||
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In which case you hand scum the win. | ||
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On April 07 2015 07:58 Holyflare wrote: voting out the only guy that put misleading analysis into lylo smart plays guys really smart Fixed. | ||
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On April 07 2015 08:01 kitaman27 wrote: Well geript is banned and greymist has been afk for 14 hours. Might be a while for a flip. *facepalm* | ||
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On April 07 2015 08:10 kitaman27 wrote: Anyone opposed to a super short night cycle? :/ Scum still have 2kp right? | ||
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Yes. I am a redirector. I used my ability as follows: Night 1 - didn't use it at all. Night 2 - used it on Kita (fear read) Night 3 - used it on VE (like a copcheck) Using a hypothetical example, if I suspected X of being scum and he takes an action on say Y and if I target X, X's actions will resolve on me. And the idea of leaving messages with people was that if I died, people will know whom I redirected onto myself. | ||
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On April 07 2015 09:00 Onegu wrote: BTW I AM JAT TONIGHT. CLAIMS AND ACTIONS GO TO ME WILL LYNCH/VIGI YOU IF YOU DONT. So I should redirect off you tonight? | ||
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Honestly, to me, this is a scum claim. Massive scum claim. | ||
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On April 07 2015 16:56 Onegu wrote: WHEN I WAKE UP EXPECT PLANS AND CLAIMS IN MY INBOX It would be nice if someone didn't prevent me from PMing. I really hope it was a townie trying to check me. Honestly the first day in awhile I can actually play and I'm prevented from sending PMs. What a kick in the teeth. | ||
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Actually if you are going to even attempt to vigi shoot, I shouldn't. Because if you shoot and I redirect, I become your target. | ||
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On April 07 2015 23:58 Onegu wrote: So your ability takes what I do and makes it target you also? No, in place of. | ||
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On April 07 2015 23:57 Onegu wrote: lol how is this a scum claim? How isn't it? On April 07 2015 10:03 Crossfire99 wrote: I don't even care anymore. Great job! I wish HF had actually poisoned me so I wouldn't have to play in this game. Don't bother pming me. I'm not responding. Don't have time or really care. I don't care so much I'll actually be truthful for once. LOL. I'm not Strong Bad. And I lied about my abilities. Have fun everyone! Didn't do much all game (except take the toys out the pram approach on me), and then we are presumably in lylo and says he'll bail. If anyone's actually getting PMs from him, call it out, but lying about abilities/role and saying so this late in the game, what is the town motivation for that? | ||
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On April 08 2015 00:39 Onegu wrote: Oh I thought you said I was scum claiming... LOL, no, not you. | ||
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On April 08 2015 03:44 Onegu wrote: @HtS sucks you don't have PMs but I need you to claim in thread your role name and abilities. Not your actions. My role doesn't really do much compared to some of the other players here. It is also annoying because I am PSY, the creator of "Gangnam Style" so what I have found most aggravating on this game is everytime I play this game, that goddamn song keeps popping into my head and I can never fucking get it out. Hate it. ##vote greymist Anyhow, I digress. My abilities are as follows: 1 The "hey sexy lady" move. Redirected action onto myself. Explained this one many times as people used this one to scumread me. I have unlimited uses of this on one person per night. 2 The garageman dance off. If I "dance" at night, I can basically multiply voting power based on the number of dead scum but this is hardly useful because there is only one dead scum. | ||
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On April 08 2015 05:04 Onegu wrote: @Bats you haven't claimed your actions to me yet why not? He claimed scum. I doubt you'll be getting much more than baby seals from him. | ||
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On April 08 2015 06:08 Onegu wrote: Man do you people not understand sarcasm? Honestly it's pretty hard for me to tell on a forum, especially without emoticons. | ||
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The scumclaims honestly make me wonder if they are a bit too confident the game will end :/ | ||
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On April 08 2015 04:31 Blazinghand wrote: dang now it's stuck in my head too, curse you Blame Greymist | ||
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In the event I die, and if either of Bats/Crossfire survive, auto-lynch them. In the event I die, and if either of Bats/Crossfire survive, auto-lynch them. In the event I die, and if either of Bats/Crossfire survive, auto-lynch them. In the event I die, and if either of Bats/Crossfire survive, auto-lynch them. In the event I die, and if either of Bats/Crossfire survive, auto-lynch them. In the event I die, and if either of Bats/Crossfire survive, auto-lynch them. In the event I die, and if either of Bats/Crossfire survive, auto-lynch them. | ||
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Not surprised at the endgame given that Bats claimed scum. GGs. It is what it is. | ||
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On April 08 2015 08:29 GreYMisT wrote: Jat was bussed with onegu who was bussed with blazinghand who was bussed with jat who was also bussed with keirathi Holy fucking shit. | ||
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The complexity of the roles blew me away honestly, and as usual I mafia-sided so hard >_< | ||
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On April 08 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote: I still love you hts i'm sorry </3 You played to your wincon. Don't be sorry. Upon reading the obs qt though I feel relieved that I was actually getting townread by a number of people in Obs QT despite my awful play.... | ||
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On April 08 2015 08:37 GreYMisT wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pwaHTOs.jpg) Just wow Greymist. I definitely felt demoralised after N2 this game and a bit helpless at how much difficulty I had understanding what was going on (admittedly I didn't enjoy the game at parts), but I still appreciate the work you lot did. | ||
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On April 08 2015 08:43 GreYMisT wrote: But yea I will be talking about this game and the Aperture series/Hosting themed games in general on the next mafia podcast. So please leave any thoughts here. I am particuarly interesting in things that you found confusing about your role or things that you thought were really cool about the interactions. I would also like to know if there was a mechanic in your role that you found to not be fun to use. No issues with my role or understanding the abilities, thought it was fine. | ||
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On April 08 2015 09:12 kitaman27 wrote: I'm not sure if town actually was capable of lynching batsnacks on day four, but we should have. HF was just being so obnoxious that he was able to get under everyone's skin to a point where most of the town was sick of it. I shouldn't have let him get to me, but I was tired of the flaming from a player who honestly didn't seem to have a purpose for doing so. I kinda question how he played things out considering how easy it would have been to just claim Moriarty and have BH lynched early on in the game. That was seriously frustrating. He was scumreading BOTH Bats and myself, but then hijacked the vote by being incredibly stubborn by only willing to lynch me. He 1000% deserved to die for that. I played horribly this game and I could understand if he wasn't scumreading Bats, but the manner in which that lynch went down was shocking. On April 08 2015 09:12 kitaman27 wrote: I know that this has been brought up a ton in the past, but there really isn't a good reason for JAT or HF to have a combined 100 page filter. Discussing things is fine, but a lot of the posts really didn't accomplish anything. I don't mean to attack JAT because he was a good town leader, but when you have a limited amount of time to play each day, it just demotivates you. Even I found myself spamming more than usual this game. 100%. I actually skimmed 90% of their posts given that I averaged <30 min per day in this thread, and even less over the weekend. Honestly part of the reason I scumread JAT was because most of his filter really felt like one-liner shitposting. For me, I found it pretty frustrating how often people were calling me mafia based on some type of paranoia read. I haven't rolled mafia since March 2013, yet I always seem to have trouble getting people to trust me. I'm sure there are others that are probably better at mafia than town that deal with the same thing. It's just annoying to be told that you're mafia because you're still alive when there really that is out of your control for the most part. Yeah Kita, I'm really sorry for this. It wasn't until D4 that I realised your play more or less reflected JOAT. I also think part of the reason you were getting scumread was because as you said, you were unable to push the thread. | ||
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On April 08 2015 09:34 Holyflare wrote: Hts maybe if you read the thread you'd understand my reasons for wanting to lynch you over bats. You scum read half of my list and then proceeded to call me mafia for going after low hanging fruit. Despite the fact that my list was quite accurate indeed. I then asked ppl to comment on my reads and explain stuff and you bypassed it all just to call me mafia again because I was like carol. You then wasted time talking about trfel's reads and going into way too much detail about it right before the deadline. Actually I did (your filter, plus the last 40 pages), and I had concluded it was mafia agenda. And you've bussed like crazy before, so being convinced you were scum I just completely ignored you. Was it the right decision probably not, but when you hijacked the vote like you did, it's really hard to argue that you didn't deserve what happened to you. People wanted to lynch me for why I trusted Trfel, and I was the leading wagon so I'm not sure how me discussing Trfel was a problem. Crossfire also mafia sided hard, but when I saw in thread who was taking advantage of the wagon on me (namely Bats, OWS and BH) it made them even more apparent. Was the discussion on Trfel unproductive? Yes, but town wasn't being rational when Snarfs and others said there was no world in which I was mafia when Sepulchre was town. Also you of all people should know not everyone had the time to actually engage in conversation, or your style of scumhunting. You scumread Kita I think for something similar. I mean if you can't deal with people's methods of posting, that's on you. | ||
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The only thing I'd add for my role is to give myself the ability to protect myself in the event I redirect KP onto myself, or reduce the KP to a fraction so I can gather a little more information from my actions. Somehow find a way to make it not quite as powerful as a copcheck but more like a JK where you're not fully sure. Hard for me to articulate but there it is. | ||
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