Aperture Mafia 4: This Time it's Personal

On March 23 2015 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
/in

RANDOM.ORG uses radio receivers to pick up atmospheric noise, which is then used to generate random numbers. The radios are tuned between stations. A possible attack on the generator is therefore to broadcast on the frequencies that the RANDOM.ORG radios use in order to affect the generator.

On March 25 2015 05:23 Blazinghand wrote:


See any time someone tries to talk about my RNG and brings up random.org I know they don't actually know how my RNG works.

On March 25 2015 05:29 Blazinghand wrote:

I have great respect for you for this, VE. I'd rather a game filled with people like you than a game filled with people who misunderstand my RNG, even if they agree with me.

On March 25 2015 05:34 Blazinghand wrote:

FWIW in a big themed setup like this RNG lynch isn't actually a good idea. Ideal scenarios for RNG lynch are like, cell games, or smallish multifactional games. Minis can be ok since we're bad at D1 lynches in minis. Big normals, maybe. But a big themed game like this? too many roles involved for RNG to be legit as a straight-out-the-gate suggestion.

On March 28 2015 08:17 Blazinghand wrote:
Oh man is Koshi in this game? Dammit, I legit would have /outed if I knew he was on the final signup list. When did this tragedy happen?

I'll elect anyone who will kill Koshi

On March 29 2015 11:45 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah and you replied like a cunt so you get treated like a cunt

On March 29 2015 11:47 Blazinghand wrote:

haha are you kidding me? want me to quote it? the fact that you're even replying to anything I say shows you what a liar you were

On March 29 2015 12:11 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah I'm aware, I'm done with it. I still think objectively that Koshi shoudl die but there's no good to come of it with arguing with him in thread and it will just lose me credibility

On March 29 2015 12:13 justanothertownie wrote:

wat
How is Koshi being useless right now? You could argue that he is being unreasonable at times but the difference between his play here and Horn is night and day.

On March 29 2015 11:56 Blazinghand wrote:
whoa Koshi voted to elect me earlier, even though my entire concept is lynching him? I srsly got to read the thread

On March 30 2015 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:
ok I'm back and there's 50 more pages. I really am not a fan of all this reading guys so I'm just not gonna do it

looks like lead mayoral candidates are hf, ritoky (who has a deal with rsoultin judging by voting), and VE and Koshi. since I'm lazy anyoen want to tell me what the platforms are?

On March 30 2015 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:
ok I'm back and there's 50 more pages. I really am not a fan of all this reading guys so I'm just not gonna do it

looks like lead mayoral candidates are hf, ritoky (who has a deal with rsoultin judging by voting), and VE and Koshi. since I'm lazy anyoen want to tell me what the platforms are?

On March 30 2015 05:17 Blazinghand wrote:
ok I'm back and there's 50 more pages. I really am not a fan of all this reading guys so I'm just not gonna do it

looks like lead mayoral candidates are hf, ritoky (who has a deal with rsoultin judging by voting), and VE and Koshi. since I'm lazy anyoen want to tell me what the platforms are?

On March 30 2015 05:22 Blazinghand wrote:


well, i'd vote for you but I don't see any reason to give cleric powers that are unspecified and probably won't give you a kp to use against koshi.

On March 30 2015 05:27 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah normally I would but my role is like, super sweet and because of what it is, if I claim it in-thread it helps two other roles, one of which is scum and the other of which is town, and boosts the strength of their night actions. I'm not sure it's actually a good idea to claim, though I get the feeling it would proooobably be more useful for town than scum if I did, I'm not sure.

On March 30 2015 05:38 Hapahauli wrote:


Is BH-trolling alignment indicative?

On March 30 2015 05:42 Blazinghand wrote:

Look dude when I /inned for this game Koshi wasn't signed up for it, then he like signed up and the game started before I realized he was /in. If I knew he was in, I'd have /outed. You can't begin to imagine the depths of my... feelings of love towarrds Koshi because he's such a great guy, I can't even play with him because he's so awesome (*winks at greymist*). Koshi is handsome, intelligent, and best of all, friendly with his criticisms. Yes, he's definitely good for the TL Mafia community and makes games fun and not terrible and awful.

On March 30 2015 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:

ok fine let's kill snarfs then

as long as we're not killing me I'm good honestly. I don't really have reads since this thread is a monstrosity and every time I leave for a half day I come back and there's 50 pages of "wat"

On March 30 2015 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:


dude look at the cluster that is D1 and tell me you expect me to read that now? I can commit to reading going forwards since it's not the weekend any more and I'll be able to spend time. I'm sure nobody said anything interesting anyways

On March 30 2015 05:48 Blazinghand wrote:

ok fine let's kill snarfs then

as long as we're not killing me I'm good honestly. I don't really have reads since this thread is a monstrosity and every time I leave for a half day I come back and there's 50 pages of "wat"

On March 30 2015 06:27 Blazinghand wrote:
Hmm, I'm still not feeling too secure here, I guess I should claim?

On March 30 2015 06:53 Blazinghand wrote:
slam you sure look strange with that don't lynch me thing. do you agree with what I've said here?

On March 30 2015 07:40 Blazinghand wrote:
OK WAIT I'M DETECTIVE LESTRAD

the way my role works is that I have to submit a night actione very night and I get a generalized rolecheck like "kill power" or "healing" or "roleblocking"

there are 2 other players, sherlock and moriorarirty. we all recieve each other's results but not who each other targeted. Also, nto sure if the others have this power, but I can follow one of them to see who they targeted since I can assign the cops under me to do it

seems fairly clear to me. Slam is probably sherlock "sure looks" remember and realized what I was

On March 30 2015 07:44 Alakaslam wrote:

Nope, I'm not. I think there is a scum or 3P action on us BH.

On March 30 2015 07:45 Chezitwo wrote:
So LS has claimed a weird parity cop.

BH has claimed Lestrade, and knows (?) there exists two other roles which receive checks of some variety?

That's a lot of checking power lying around

On March 30 2015 07:49 Blazinghand wrote:


so specifically mine is a mild rolecop (returns category of power, like healing, killing, roleblocking, etc) and is linked to 2 otehr roles in the game, Sherlock and Morioarity. All 3 of us recieve each other's checks, but NOT each other's targets. I'm not sure if they're ALSO rolecops, or what. My guess is Sherlock is an alignment cop or a name cop so that our powers can work together if we get into PMs together.

My checking is compulsive, since ther esults go to all 3 of us. I can choose to not get my own result back, and instead learn who someone's target was. So normally I get this:

My own result
Sherl's result
Mor's result

I can choose to get this:

Sher's result
Mor''s result
who either sherl or mor targeted

and i don't see what my own result was

On March 30 2015 23:32 justanothertownie wrote:
HTS are you seriously questioning why people didn't want to lynch BH eod?

On March 30 2015 23:56 rsoultin wrote:


i'm amazingly awesome and female xP will this be the fun sorta questioning? you sent me <3s bats >> i think you run a secret underground business of ill repute with unwilling women

ze eeeevilness

that or i may still be slightly tipsy from last night after celebrating my VICTORY lolol

On March 30 2015 23:49 kitaman27 wrote:


Are you not concerned in the slightest that one of these players is mafia, especially in a PM game?

One option is that we have is that Sherlock, moriorarirty, and lestrad all role claim to whoever they have as their strongest town read at the final seconds of the night cycle where mafia is unable to react to the PM if they choose wrong. The recipients then posts the targets of the check in the thread, revealing the information to the three roles without identifying the players themselves. Some players may die due to night hits here, but it's less likely all three are hit. Obviously BH and slam can simply claim in the thread if they live. When selecting the targets, keep in mind that a mafia player may be receiving results for a role cop etc.

Furthermore, if there is a a player that will receive an investigative night action tonight and does not want to reveal their identity you can PM me tonight with your target and a code trigger word. The following day if you want me to day mason you to reveal your check, post your trigger word and I'll set up the mason link. Obviously this relies on me living the night and you trusting me with your role.

On March 31 2015 00:57 LightningStrike wrote:
VA shoot BH if he flips a town investigative role we lynch Slam.

On March 31 2015 01:07 justanothertownie wrote:

Damdred is a target I approve.

This is a really really bad plan and almost looks like mafia agenda.

On March 31 2015 03:28 Blazinghand wrote:


I find this believable and probably evidence HtS is town. I'm gonna lay it out and say Scum is very unlikely to forget that I'm a cop

On March 31 2015 01:10 LightningStrike wrote:

It makes sense for me since I a investigative role and there is like 1% chance that there is 3 town investigative roles and 2 is the most I seen in most games and considering we got pms it seem a little to much I think knowing I almost lost at MYLO in a pm game in Office Mini taking out scum!sicklucker on the final day as a Cop.

On March 31 2015 01:14 LightningStrike wrote:

Slam is town since he been very serious this game and who was the other one that claimed because I don't remember seeing another claim after BH's and Slams.

On March 30 2015 05:27 Blazinghand wrote:


yeah normally I would but my role is like, super sweet and because of what it is, if I claim it in-thread it helps two other roles, one of which is scum and the other of which is town.

On March 31 2015 02:54 Koshi wrote:

Read WoS filter. Read kita hapa bh filter. Why doesnt WoS think other 3 are mafia? I said 1 is town. It was kita or WoS obviously. 1 replied as town. 1 attacked me for my collective reads.

On March 29 2015 06:25 Trfel wrote:
Probably Town

LightningStrike + Show Spoiler +
batsnacks + Show Spoiler +
sicklucker + Show Spoiler +

Slightly Town

rsoultin + Show Spoiler +
ObiWanShinobi + Show Spoiler +
WaveofShadow + Show Spoiler +

Slightly Mafia

Damdred + Show Spoiler +
ExO_ + Show Spoiler +

Mafia

Hapahauli + Show Spoiler +

Third Party

Holyflare + Show Spoiler +

On the Adventuring Party
+ Show Spoiler [Thoughts on the Adventuring Party] +
However, scumhunting is definitely the most important thing, and the adventuring party should only be the focused on later in the day (when it does matter to elect the right people).

ExO_

ExO_'s decision to run for the adventuring party was very delayed. Initially, he seemed to wonder about the game mechanics, and sit on the sidelines, but then he made a slight push for becoming the warrior. And then, he keeps posting campaign pictures, and then suddenly decides that he's willing to be second to someone else's campaign. The goal of his campaign seems to be constantly changing. It's not clear why he decided to run, and why he is so determined to get a spot on the adventuring party. This doesn't necessarily make ExO_ scum, but I am suspicious of him. I'm interested in seeing how he continues from here.

I also don't want to elect ExO_ to the adventuring party because I'm not sure if I trust him with whatever additional abilities the adventuring party is given. I do not want to see ExO_ elected today.

sicklucker

I'm very confident that sicklucker is town here. His play seems to be an obvious fakeclaim. He does like to fakeclaim as town, so I'm comfortable with townreading sicklucker here.

Holyflare

I'm guessing that Holyflare is a third party in this game. His play doesn't show indications of extra information, but it appears that he isn't playing with the full force that he does as town. I'm guessing he's a third party with a survival goal.

[red]Hapahauli

Hapahauli seems to be inactive for quite some time. As many others have pointed out, this suggests that Hapahauli is mafia here. My guess is that he will come back to the thread and make a falsified case against someone to save himself. When he does this, you know that he is mafia, and you can lynch him.

I have this feeling that justanothertownie, Holyflare, and rsoultin are going to be elected. And I'm pretty sure that Holyflare isn't town, so we shouldn't let this happen.

On March 31 2015 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:

Words cannot express the depth of my disbelief in your claim of being a cop.

On March 31 2015 03:50 Blazinghand wrote:

you really think I fakeclaimed a role with 2 counterparts? what kind of insane player would do that?

...hmm, actually that IS the kind of thing I'd do as scum. Then I'd laugh at all the newbs in post game for believing me. gah

On March 31 2015 04:00 Blazinghand wrote:


what's your read on me? surely you have an opinion by now. I'm a hot item.

On March 31 2015 04:22 yamato77 wrote:

I'm working on people I think aren't being talked about much, keirathi up next

On that note, HTS seems townish. Nothing glaring in that filter.

Also, I know I'm on some people's shit lists but my role really only works well if I know other people's roles, so if I could be somehow given some information about important actions taking place and the results of those actions tomorrow, that would be cool.

On March 29 2015 06:57 batsnacks wrote:


What about exo's filter made you feel like he was posting cautiously/carefully?

On March 28 2015 11:56 ExO_ wrote:


idk in Guardians he did something similar with "meta" reads when he said something along the lines of "I think ExO is town based on the Student Game we played last". Granted, now he's reading scum where in Guardians he was reading me as town.

Still doing that same silly kinda meta reading back to back as scum would be silly, so maybe I'm just over thinking it.

On March 28 2015 20:48 ExO_ wrote:
I think we're getting a bit distracted. The little squabble HF/Rsoultin is having isn't being productive right now. And while it's important to find scum I think it's more important to focus on who we're electing today. It's a bit rough right now since this game seems to really be off to a slow star and we've yet to here from a lot of people.

On March 28 2015 22:10 ExO_ wrote:


I've gotten very little. I'm leaning town on rsoultin. I lean town on you as well, but not as much as rsoultin.

Everybody else? Almost nothing. If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick scum I'd probably say JAT right now. He's answering questions and responding which I like, but he's not really adding information. He's not offering anything just reacting to what's there. It's the kinda thing that I think looks decent but isn't really helping town at all.

On March 30 2015 06:05 Holyflare wrote:
i think we should default lynch sicklucker for having 3 page filter in a 101 page game when his mafia tell that he loves to talk about is having no filter

/discuss

On March 30 2015 07:19 Holyflare wrote:
i will lynch sicklucker for either being mafia or 3p with a good chance of being mafia for having 3 pages of filter because i'd feel like as 3p he's be just as productive as town

it also allows all these "coin flip" ppl to talk more

On March 30 2015 07:26 Holyflare wrote:
a lynch on sl is a lynch on guaranteed not town!

On March 30 2015 07:39 Crossfire99 wrote:
I had to step away, but I'm back now. I see now BH is a target but slam doesn't want him lynched because he and the lyncher will die. Hmmmm. Kita's post on BH looks good and I have a town read on kita, so I'd want BH dead, but not if it kills the lyncher which will probably be rsoultin.

I'm thinking of voting for HF because he needs to be in the top 3 because he's town. Yeah, I'll vote for HF now.

##Vote: HolyFlare

On March 31 2015 06:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Koshi

Hey Koshi you basically never mention Keir except to say he will prove himself

so.... what do you think of my case? I'd love to hear some heard thoughts about Keir from you Koshi

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/481138-aperture-mafia-4-this-time-its-personal?page=147#2929

On March 30 2015 07:54 Chezitwo wrote:
(VA best lynch)

On March 31 2015 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:
so uh, i seem to have missed the VA claim, anyone want to fill me in?

On March 31 2015 08:34 Blazinghand wrote:
"va best lynch" can't be his crumb since he said that during D1 btw

i'm looking for the crumb now to confirm

On March 31 2015 08:46 Blazinghand wrote:
kita want to vote VA

On March 31 2015 08:46 kitaman27 wrote:
So who wants to be my day mason today? -_-

On March 31 2015 09:24 Holyflare wrote:
yes

On March 31 2015 10:20 Blazinghand wrote:
I see no reason to be suspicious of HF at this juncture unless you can posit that Chezitwo/Marv checked someone who isn't VA

On March 31 2015 12:58 justanothertownie wrote:
Did BH even say that? Didn't he say one of the others would be town and one scum? I don't think he counted himself as 3p.

On April 01 2015 03:38 Blazinghand wrote:


ok, for #1, let me say that I think we can agree that only one of me + morty is scum at most, right? So if I were scum, why wouldn't town morty show up and be like "actually it wans't a red check"

the check could have been tampered with but it's still a red check, even if there's like a 20% chance of it being tampered with, a 80% chance of lynching scum is pretty great

On April 01 2015 03:49 Blazinghand wrote:


Barring someone having a peeking role, I'm gonna say "no". The other cop is Morty and almost certainly mafia-aligned, he's not gonna come forward and confirm that Marv got a red check. If someone did have a peeking role and got to read my night results, feel free to claim because it seems like without your help VA won't get lynched. I can't imagine what these people are thinking.

On April 01 2015 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:


OK, so now that you accept Morty is scum what reason could you possibly think I have for lying about the red check? Heck, at the time I claimed it I hadn't even pieced together that Marv probably checked VA, that was someone else, so it's not like I've carried over some wierd anti-VA bias from the last game, you can't even accuse me of that

On April 02 2015 00:28 Koshi wrote:
WoS is mafia (I am sure this time)

On April 02 2015 01:13 Snarfs wrote:
Well I think one of wave/yamato is scum at this point. They read each other very well when both town last game.

On April 02 2015 00:53 Koshi wrote:

the PMs for example is also why he is mafia. He is lighthearted about not tryharding, but then is overdramatizing the PMs.

I don't know who exactly complained about the PMs but except for rsoultin and maybe kita nothing special is happening there that is hurtful for town. I am reading the thread and almost didn't PM and I can follow just fine. I am not missing anything.

On April 03 2015 01:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm from the government and I'm here to help

so what are we thinking today guys? any reason to not lynch VA?

On April 03 2015 02:47 Alakaslam wrote:

Hi there

I happen to be a more sure fire lynch frankly. I am so moody about my 90% guaranteed loss, due to my rampant incompetence (my wincon is seriously not hard) I will probably bomb town, and so it's in your best interests to lynch me.

On April 03 2015 03:20 Blazinghand wrote:
actually, how likely is it that Slam is just making all this up? he DID shorten the day and thereby save vayneauthority, who is probably still scum.

On April 03 2015 03:32 yamato77 wrote:
I'm all for lynching vayne today.

##vote: vayneauthority

On April 01 2015 03:33 yamato77 wrote:
I have a hypothesis on who killed Hapa, but it's not really important.

I also have reservations about lynching VA, and they are important. This feels like a horrible idea. Unfortunately majority lynch makes this game hard.

Would people be opposed to lynching someone like damdred/batsnacks/BH? I have bad feelings about all 3.

On April 03 2015 03:37 Keirathi wrote:


What changed from yesterday?

On April 03 2015 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:


Given that I've literally said I'm 75% sure I don't know where you get 90%+

Basically here's how it goes:

I think there's a 90% chance Marv checked VA. He crumbed no-one else. It makes sense.

I think that, given that, there's probably only like a 20% chance that VA was framed or busdriven with scum (our busdriver didn't claim a va bus, though there could be a scum busdriver or something too, hence the high percentage)

so an 80% chance the check is legit, and a 90% chance it was on VA, which comes out to about 75%, and tah's with generous estimates all around. I think my calcs are on point.

On April 03 2015 03:56 Blazinghand wrote:
so uh... how long until the flip? is it an "at the end of day" thing, or "day ends on the spot with the person killed" thing, or a "person dies, day continues" thing?

On April 03 2015 05:16 Keirathi wrote:
How do you explain that Damdred has a check of kita visiting slam when you said you redirected all of Kita's actions to yourself?

On April 03 2015 05:25 Blazinghand wrote:


wait what this is vital info, you also got red right? why the heck aren't peopel voting VA

On April 03 2015 06:51 Blazinghand wrote:
So Damdred has the ability to exit with a win right now, but can't for some reason?

On April 03 2015 06:40 Blazinghand wrote:


sure, but trading your life for mafia? how would that help you win

On April 03 2015 06:52 Blazinghand wrote:

Why not?

On April 03 2015 07:09 Holyflare wrote:
Bh is also mafia

On April 03 2015 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:


Oh come on, that's not great logic at all. Assuming scum have a day shorting power... scum COULD use the shortening power to save a townie and cause a no-lynch. Yes. BUT WHY WOULD THEY. If VA is town, why not just hang out and use the power the next day or the day after or whenever scum is on the block and there's no majority pre midday? That would be so much better for scum. You're like, doing some weird WIFOM thing here when scum with this kind of power would obviously use it to save scum.

Plus, THE RED CHECK.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

On April 03 2015 07:30 Blazinghand wrote:


Oh come on, that's not great logic at all. Assuming scum have a day shorting power... scum COULD use the shortening power to save a townie and cause a no-lynch. Yes. BUT WHY WOULD THEY. If VA is town, why not just hang out and use the power the next day or the day after or whenever scum is on the block and there's no majority pre midday? That would be so much better for scum. You're like, doing some weird WIFOM thing here when scum with this kind of power would obviously use it to save scum.

Plus, THE RED CHECK.

AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

On April 03 2015 10:33 Blazinghand wrote:
I didn't even RNG this game

On April 03 2015 10:34 Blazinghand wrote:
Whatever, Damdred's a fine lynch, but he's no VA. We've had a redcheck on VA. We have a redcheck on VA. I don't have energy for this. I can't even convince you with a case on VA's play because VA's towngame is to do nothing and be useuless, as I found out.

On April 03 2015 10:35 Blazinghand wrote:
if you lynch me for NOT RNGing when I ANNOUNCED I WOULD NOT RNG BEFORE THE GAME START, entirely based on the fact that I have not rolled scum recently, I'm gonna be very mad, to say the least.

On April 03 2015 10:42 Blazinghand wrote:

wat

On April 03 2015 10:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Holyflare. just listen for a thrice-damned second. There's a redcheck on VA.

ok are we clear

On April 03 2015 11:35 Blazinghand wrote:


i'll read the jat case, then. point me

On April 03 2015 11:37 Blazinghand wrote:

it could tell us more about HF to read a case on you. In any case, I'm still not 1 hundo percent clear on why we don't lynch VA today. like "oh, we've been talking about VA a long time" is not a good objection, because this here today is our first lynch determined by vote, so let's kill VA