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On April 09 2015 10:11 Holyflare wrote:
I don't want to lynch vivax when he has so much potential. His scum games are never over like 5 pages total in 5 cycles either.
What's to followup here? "No, Vivax isn't worth it, let's kill him"? Give everyone you can meta read a pass? You aren't talking about Vivax's actions beside post count, which isn't really addressing my case at all.
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On April 09 2015 11:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:36 ritoky wrote:On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone. You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed? Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr. The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell. Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts? so did you not read any of this? On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:DreadReturnSmurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.
As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol. The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all. Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting. Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome. HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken. GB could have: - Ignored it and walked away
- Tried to put a stop to it
- Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
- Joined in on the fun
- Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
- Tried to glean some information from it
You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further. Why did GB post? Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity. Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.
So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting. Plus, he's a fucking smurf. I did. I'm not talking about yamato's reasons for scumreading Dr. I'm talking about Holyflare's.
because you're still arguing with HF
fucking shithead
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On April 09 2015 11:40 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:37 Damdred wrote:On April 09 2015 11:29 Holyflare wrote:
Like damdred who are your scum reads? Your first page of your filter says rsoul and eden but that was not long into the game and your eden read should have completely changed from not posting to something else (it looks like you scum read him for... Changing his read on you?) so to say there's sufficient pushback against gb but not have scum reads to correspond with that is so so weird. I'm not sure why the read has to change when I've been gone necessarily on Eden. Eden did scummy things I left came back Eden was doing more scummy things like that post about defending GB I still hate that post. GB is my top scum read I want him lynched Your scum read on eden was that he had no posts with content which has blatantly changed so your read should have completely changed since the initial stance.
I mentioned how his read on me changed when none of the facts changed at all for instance and slight waffling at places. Scummy is scummy, I'm not sure why it matters that scum a was doing x then scum a did y when I say both things are scummy
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On April 09 2015 11:36 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:35 Onegu wrote:On April 09 2015 11:33 yamato77 wrote:On April 09 2015 11:31 Onegu wrote:On April 09 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:On April 09 2015 11:29 Onegu wrote:
Btw I think HF has the worst post in the thread Just sheep me. You owe me for Desert Mini. You did give me the win. But are you saying you are mafia and I owe you a win? Do you REALLY think I'm mafia? REALLY? Nope, but still if we are on the same team why do I owe you? Because I want to win this game Just sheep me, for once.
Ugh fine.
##UNVOTE
##Vote SickLucker I mean Dreadreturn
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On April 09 2015 11:41 DreadReturn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 10:11 Holyflare wrote:
I don't want to lynch vivax when he has so much potential. His scum games are never over like 5 pages total in 5 cycles either. What's to followup here? "No, Vivax isn't worth it, let's kill him"? Give everyone you can meta read a pass? You aren't talking about Vivax's actions beside post count, which isn't really addressing my case at all.
Reveal name or die.
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Its SL hf he said he was smurfing his next game
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You all knew it was sl and let him get away with this trash?
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On April 09 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Its SL hf he said he was smurfing his next game
lol?
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It's not SL, I don't believe it for a second. Too many words/post.
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Its just a theory though ff still has him in replacements so meh host wifom
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On April 09 2015 11:46 yamato77 wrote:
It's not SL, I don't believe it for a second. Too many words/post.
Too many coherent sentences
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yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.
tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town?
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Tbh rit I might still switch.
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I don't think you're super townreading me though, so idk how much that's worth.
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On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote:
yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.
tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town?
Why do you believe GB is scummier than DR?
Is it that you think DR is somehow townie?
If it's at all close I would just vote DR.
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The guy literally flipped his strongest town read for no reason even though nothing has changed since all his posts spent defending gb. This was only when the gb wagon had sufficient support enough.
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On April 09 2015 11:52 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2015 11:50 ritoky wrote:
yamato, i need you to speak to me here. like i need you to engage serious mode with me for about 3 minutes.
tell me why i should be voting DR. my reads are telling me vote GB, but the people i am reading town (except damdred) are voting on DR....so who is wrong, me or my town? Why do you believe GB is scummier than DR? Is it that you think DR is somehow townie? If it's at all close I would just vote DR.
I like palmar's read it reminds me a lot of his read on me in DU2. Plus GB has largest filter, and that is like 90-95% town based on stats.
I also made that connection between DR and damdred and I think damdred is pretty town....so....
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On April 09 2015 11:53 Holyflare wrote:
The guy literally flipped his strongest town read for no reason even though nothing has changed since all his posts spent defending gb. This was only when the gb wagon had sufficient support enough.
"hey guys before i address nothing I'm just going to vote on my town read because nothing has changed! - but vivax is totally mafia - bye! "
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If killing me clears enough air, then go ahead. I'm not going to take it personally - I understand that the problems with my play.
Just agree with it, and let's talk fresh about Vivax (regardless of what I flip, discussing him now is good). If anything you want me to say lots of stuff about lots of people.
Final List:
yamato - I agreed with most of his full effort read and his list lined up well with mine.
Koshi - same as above. I think this is the style I would like to emulate, but I went too far with the silence. My bad.
Palmar - I always have an (un)healthy starting suspicion for strong players, so it's hard to put him higher.
Damdred - Reasonable posts. I wish he would be a bit more vocal but he is sick or something.
rsoultin - I'm not sure how to explain it ... but something like carefree? Very relaxed demeanor,
Eden - also read resoultin town early and caught the hidden post.
ritoky - has shown he is attentive to thread despite pictures etc.
Glowingbear (?) - Based on his first half D1 play, I'd still say town. D2 total absence and Palmar's insistence makes me iffy.
Onegu - nondescript. I can't really say much.
ObiWan - same here.
HolyFlare - fixated on getting me to reveal my identity ... ? Gives Vivax a pass because of potential, so is ignoring the bulk of my points against him.
Vivax - It's the best I've got. Maybe it's harder to see from your perspectives because I'm so scummy, or maybe my reads are in fact not that good this game.
Good luck town. I'll field whatever questions you have here or post game. (I still might not reveal who I am then for personal reasons, but we can reserve that discussion for then).
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