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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 09 2015 02:31 GMT
#1021
On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.


In void mafia I refused to listen to you because of pride or hardheadedness' on Hts and it let mafia go for another day and you died during the night.

I think I am right and even though you do not see my meta points I've pointed out or actual things that I've drawn connections to as valid I think they are and it really looks and feels like gbs scum game.
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 09 2015 02:31 GMT
#1022
On April 09 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:29 Onegu wrote:
Btw I think HF has the worst post in the thread

Just sheep me. You owe me for Desert Mini.



You did give me the win. But are you saying you are mafia and I owe you a win?
Try TL Mafia!!!
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 09 2015 02:32 GMT
#1023
On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.


You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?


Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr.


The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.

Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?
Retired.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 09 2015 02:33 GMT
#1024
On April 09 2015 11:31 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:29 Onegu wrote:
Btw I think HF has the worst post in the thread

Just sheep me. You owe me for Desert Mini.



You did give me the win. But are you saying you are mafia and I owe you a win?

Do you REALLY think I'm mafia?

REALLY?
Writer@WriterYamato
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 09 2015 02:34 GMT
#1025
On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.


You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?


Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr.



Why is keeping hidden info townie. Like I gave slam a town read in apature for finding hidden info and bringing it to towns attn... He was 3p and hadn't actually found the info but still
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 09 2015 02:35 GMT
#1026
On April 09 2015 11:33 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:31 Onegu wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:29 Onegu wrote:
Btw I think HF has the worst post in the thread

Just sheep me. You owe me for Desert Mini.



You did give me the win. But are you saying you are mafia and I owe you a win?

Do you REALLY think I'm mafia?

REALLY?



Nope, but still if we are on the same team why do I owe you?
Try TL Mafia!!!
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 09 2015 02:35 GMT
#1027
I'll answer you Yamato soon as I walk in the door and get on the comp
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 09 2015 02:36 GMT
#1028
On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.


You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?


Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr.


The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.

Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?


so did you not read any of this?

On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:
DreadReturn

Smurf = -2 townpoints

We're not starting off well here.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:
I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak.
Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with:

On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.

As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol.

The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all.


Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting.

Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome.

HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken.

GB could have:

  • Ignored it and walked away
  • Tried to put a stop to it
  • Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
  • Joined in on the fun
  • Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
  • Tried to glean some information from it


You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further.

Why did GB post?

Two points here:

"HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter.

"The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there.

This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here.

Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum.


Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia.

What it fails to realize is this:

GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity.

Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be.

As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him.

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:
On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.

So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water

Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit.

Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative?

It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations.

Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ.

Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative?
All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post.

Same for your comment on my post.
You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions?


Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it?


Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense.

Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting.

Plus, he's a fucking smurf.

“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
April 09 2015 02:36 GMT
#1029
Also I think I know who the smurf is and if we lynch him he is going to be uber pissed
Try TL Mafia!!!
DreadReturn
Profile Joined March 2015
41 Posts
April 09 2015 02:36 GMT
#1030
What's with this unrealistic expectation that I'm glued to the screen until deadline hits? If I'm here I'm here, if I'm not I'm not.

GB has been absent for a good 22 hours so I'm inclined to think that I might just be dead wrong with my initial read so

##Unvote Vivax
##Vote GlowingBear


I still think Vivax is a stronger scum read though.
Those who forget the horrors of the past are doomed to re-meet them.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 09 2015 02:36 GMT
#1031
On April 09 2015 11:35 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:33 yamato77 wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:31 Onegu wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:30 yamato77 wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:29 Onegu wrote:
Btw I think HF has the worst post in the thread

Just sheep me. You owe me for Desert Mini.



You did give me the win. But are you saying you are mafia and I owe you a win?

Do you REALLY think I'm mafia?

REALLY?



Nope, but still if we are on the same team why do I owe you?

Because I want to win this game

Just sheep me, for once.
Writer@WriterYamato
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 09 2015 02:36 GMT
#1032
On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.


You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?


Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr.


The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.

Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?


No that's not the only point. Dr has multiple instances of asking questions and not giving a shit about the follow up (see him asking me about vivax and not giving a shit about my answer on his return).

Spotting my reads means he's actually looking at all of my posts individually and is very likely why he called me town (looking for secrets). Keeping them hidden and berating eden for making them public is like having a secret town circle with someone feeding you information as it goes along, making that public hurts the agenda. Gb is also awful and makes awful posts as town. +he's afk.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 09 2015 02:37 GMT
#1033
On April 09 2015 11:36 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.


You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?


Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr.


The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.

Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?


so did you not read any of this?

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:
DreadReturn

Smurf = -2 townpoints

We're not starting off well here.

On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:
I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak.
Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with:

On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.

As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol.

The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all.


Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting.

Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome.

HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken.

GB could have:

  • Ignored it and walked away
  • Tried to put a stop to it
  • Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
  • Joined in on the fun
  • Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
  • Tried to glean some information from it


You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further.

Why did GB post?

Two points here:

"HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter.

"The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there.

This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here.

Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum.


Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia.

What it fails to realize is this:

GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity.

Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be.

As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him.

On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:
On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.

So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water

Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit.

Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative?

It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations.

Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ.

Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative?
All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post.

Same for your comment on my post.
You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions?


Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it?


Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense.

Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting.

Plus, he's a fucking smurf.



I did.

I'm not talking about yamato's reasons for scumreading Dr. I'm talking about Holyflare's.
Retired.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
April 09 2015 02:37 GMT
#1034
On April 09 2015 11:29 Holyflare wrote:
Like damdred who are your scum reads? Your first page of your filter says rsoul and eden but that was not long into the game and your eden read should have completely changed from not posting to something else (it looks like you scum read him for... Changing his read on you?) so to say there's sufficient pushback against gb but not have scum reads to correspond with that is so so weird.


I'm not sure why the read has to change when I've been gone necessarily on Eden. Eden did scummy things I left came back Eden was doing more scummy things like that post about defending GB I still hate that post.

GB is my top scum read I want him lynched
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
April 09 2015 02:39 GMT
#1035
On April 09 2015 11:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:36 ritoky wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.


You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?


Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr.


The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.

Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?


so did you not read any of this?

On April 08 2015 18:56 yamato77 wrote:
DreadReturn

Smurf = -2 townpoints

We're not starting off well here.

On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote:
I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak.
Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with:

On April 07 2015 19:39 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:33 Vivax wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:29 Palmar wrote:
On April 07 2015 19:11 Vivax wrote:
Damdred pretty hard on GB with his reasoning. Not sure if legit, he chose the worst possible explanation for GB complaining about HF vs Obi.

As if HF asking for an Obi wambulance was oh so informative lol.

The point is not whether or not what they were doing was productive. The question is whether GB was doing anything useful at all.


Define useful in a wambulance and random gif setting.

Okay clearly you're being affected by a small head syndrome.

HF and Obi were having a shitfest. I'm not arguing that. When this happens there are a few options open to a player not involved. Some of them are useful, some are useless. Here's a few options GB could have taken.

GB could have:

  • Ignored it and walked away
  • Tried to put a stop to it
  • Tried to change the subject to something more entertaining or useful
  • Joined in on the fun
  • Idly complained about it without trying to stop it or change the subject
  • Tried to glean some information from it


You'll notice that he did actually take one of the options. The problem I have is that is by fare the worst option available. By his own admission he wasn't trying to stop them, so what was he trying to achieve? He wasn't being funny, he wasn't being sociable, he wasn't trying to bring up a new subject, he wasn't scumhunting or trying to poke people further.

Why did GB post?

Two points here:

"HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter.

"The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there.

This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here.

Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum.


Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia.

What it fails to realize is this:

GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity.

Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be.

As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him.

On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:23 yamato77 wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote:
On April 08 2015 05:05 yamato77 wrote:
On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia
If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them.
Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other.

So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water

Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit.

Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative?

It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations.

Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ.

Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative?
All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post.

Same for your comment on my post.
You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions?


Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it?


Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense.

Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting.

Plus, he's a fucking smurf.



I did.

I'm not talking about yamato's reasons for scumreading Dr. I'm talking about Holyflare's.


hate to be a stickler, but you said "the only reason" not "your only reason"

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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 09 2015 02:39 GMT
#1036
On April 09 2015 11:36 DreadReturn wrote:
What's with this unrealistic expectation that I'm glued to the screen until deadline hits? If I'm here I'm here, if I'm not I'm not.

GB has been absent for a good 22 hours so I'm inclined to think that I might just be dead wrong with my initial read so

##Unvote Vivax
##Vote GlowingBear


I still think Vivax is a stronger scum read though.


Defends gb all game, afking shouldn't change that, gives bogus reason to switch to next leading wagon when correct votes pile up.

Lynch with fire.
ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 09 2015 02:39 GMT
#1037
On April 09 2015 11:36 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:32 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:30 Holyflare wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:28 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On April 09 2015 11:25 Holyflare wrote:
Because the points on gb aren't good and this dr guy is anti town as all kinds of hell and not following up anything and not even responding at all while the scummy people in the thread derail it to gb. Damdred also says there's sufficient pushback to his gb read but doesn't explain how this makes gb mafia in the slightest and is an incredibly weird way to ohrase a reason to scum read someone.


You added GB to your mafia list, or at the very least, your watch list. What changed?


Claimed vig, was reminded he was trying to keep my hidden reads secret, had awful posts like town gb. The only hesitancy was his read on me but he's afk and I'm not lynching an afk guy that talks a lot and can't defend himself over someone so anti town like dr.


The only point of dr being antitown is the fact that he won't reveal his smurf, which is a null tell.

Why is keeping your hidden reads secret towny and why are awful Gb posts towny posts?


No that's not the only point. Dr has multiple instances of asking questions and not giving a shit about the follow up (see him asking me about vivax and not giving a shit about my answer on his return).

Spotting my reads means he's actually looking at all of my posts individually and is very likely why he called me town (looking for secrets). Keeping them hidden and berating eden for making them public is like having a secret town circle with someone feeding you information as it goes along, making that public hurts the agenda. Gb is also awful and makes awful posts as town. +he's afk.


So he doesn't make awful posts as scum?
Retired.
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 09 2015 02:40 GMT
#1038
On April 09 2015 11:37 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2015 11:29 Holyflare wrote:
Like damdred who are your scum reads? Your first page of your filter says rsoul and eden but that was not long into the game and your eden read should have completely changed from not posting to something else (it looks like you scum read him for... Changing his read on you?) so to say there's sufficient pushback against gb but not have scum reads to correspond with that is so so weird.


I'm not sure why the read has to change when I've been gone necessarily on Eden. Eden did scummy things I left came back Eden was doing more scummy things like that post about defending GB I still hate that post.

GB is my top scum read I want him lynched


Your scum read on eden was that he had no posts with content which has blatantly changed so your read should have completely changed since the initial stance.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 09 2015 02:40 GMT
#1039
On April 09 2015 11:36 DreadReturn wrote:
What's with this unrealistic expectation that I'm glued to the screen until deadline hits? If I'm here I'm here, if I'm not I'm not.

GB has been absent for a good 22 hours so I'm inclined to think that I might just be dead wrong with my initial read so

##Unvote Vivax
##Vote GlowingBear


I still think Vivax is a stronger scum read though.

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ObiWanShinobi
Profile Joined April 2014
United States8089 Posts
April 09 2015 02:41 GMT
#1040
Eh. Maybe I should switch.
Retired.
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