EPTThat tinfoil hat theory?! WHAT?! I mean it's possible and the quotes were spot on. I would say the chances of that happening are slim, but it does kind of fit.
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jarjarbinks
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That tinfoil hat theory?! WHAT?! I mean it's possible and the quotes were spot on. I would say the chances of that happening are slim, but it does kind of fit. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 11 2015 09:14 plotspot wrote: Oh yea, please explain what you guys mean by nulling someone. No read? Yes. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 11 2015 10:48 Stutters695 wrote: Was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that. Was really hoping it'd be a newbie to see their reaction, but can't win them all. Ace: obv policy lynch, nothing more. I'm less confident in seeing an increase in posting from him if we give him time, do he's my fall back if I can't get my main lynch going. Currently I still want Breshke's head. I'm not sure how to vocalize it exactly, but he just feels off. I still see plenty of scum mindset behind his actions and skimming his past 4 (2 scum, 2 town) games day 1 hasn't put me at ease. His play so far doesn't match either meta really. As town he has much more focus in his posts. He might change his mind, but if he saw something he didn't like (my post for example) he would challenge it until he's satisfied, not brush it off. There is also a distinct lack of interaction with the people he suspects. His scum meta does seem to withhold reads until later, but after dying n1 and n2, I can see why he would attempt to change that. He's currently who I want to lynch. The other two I'm really interested in are prpl and plot, but I haven't had the time to really get into them yet. Can you rephrase that question about interactions with Onegu? If you mean us playing together, we have, but nothing notable from memory. Maybe you are right. I just don't see it right now. I don't have the meta experience you do, but I felt like breshke was scumhunting around when reading his filter yesterday. Went after the person he thought was most scummy and has questioned a good range of others. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 11 2015 14:05 rsoultin wrote: oh, and while you're at it... what is your read on ace? you mentioned he's scummy later but i don't think you've ever said you want to lynch him? it seems to me that if your read on him is strong enough to make you question your initial scumread you'd have more to say about him xP lol I couldn't help it. I understand Ace's post wasn't the best, but don't you feel like you might be tunneling? On an inactive player? like literally inactive to the point where he was switched lol I feel like Shining deserves BOD until he at least posts things. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 11 2015 16:30 rsoultin wrote: fair enough...i want to wait on oneg and shining myself lol I=tard sorry sis lol | ||
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Soren333
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On April 10 2015 06:06 prplhz wrote: i might or might not be scum any thoughts? So first of prplhz starts of with this crap. I've stated before and I'll state it again, everyone might or might not be scum so what's the point of this question. It's pointless and drives a pointless discussion. The only way this is redeemable is that prplhz wanted to start some discussion by asking a question, but asked the wrong kind of question. I'm not sure if prplhz is a newbie or not, so if someone can clarify that with me that'll be great. Anyways prplhz what were you even trying to do with this question? So I scumread prp for scum from this. But between this and the next point that I'm going to make, prp hasn't exactly done anything noticeably scummy. On April 10 2015 20:52 prplhz wrote: read his filter and tell me one thing that makes him look either town or scum instead he spends all the time making non-reads and only when prodded, not on his own. scum don't want to contribute and that's exactly what he's doing, not contributing. say what you want about plotspot but there's more townie in his filter than in bourneq's filter. plotspot is at least trying. i agree that his 100% read is super weird but at least it's a read. Moving on, the next odd thing started with this. I thought it was a reasonable read and went with it. On April 10 2015 21:11 prplhz wrote: nothing he is prodded he shows up and says whatever more of the same But then what irks me is this tunneling. This is falling back on confirmation bias where prp is interpretation new information in a way that confirms his initial hypothesis (the initial hypothesis being that broune is scum), while ignoring information that disconfirms his initial hypoethesis. The information that disconfirms his initial hypothesis (the hypothesis that bourne is scum because he only ever posts when prodded or when someone votes on him) as explained here: On April 10 2015 21:01 Bourneq wrote: Because the game started at 23.00 yesterday at which time I was busy. Then spending my last hour barely awake trying to get my first reads on people. The first thing I did this morning was to ask questions that had nothing to do with me being proded or voted on so your argument falls flat. Of course my posts will be centered around me when I am the first one to be voted for, and there for I have been proded a lot. Am I not suppost to respond to questions or what? And that first morning post that Bourne made without being prodded is shown here: On April 10 2015 18:54 Bourneq wrote: Good morning! Dwarf I am interested in how you did not know what scum means. It is meantioned twice in the OP and twice in the followup post right after. Seeing how you missed the part about editing it makes a bit more sense since you obviously did not read the thing. But under coaches for example it says Town: Scum: It is pretty hard to missunderstand what scum in this context means. As a fellow newbie I understand you could be speaking the truth but did you really not read the OP? So the problem I had with this is that prp ignored information that disproves his hypothesis and interprets it instead, in light of scum reading bourne. Having said this, prp is not being stubborn so he finally redeems himself with this post: On April 11 2015 16:24 prplhz wrote: would you rather i continue to push bourneq for doing things like voting someone, giving an excuse for why they could be town and then saying he isn't even his biggest scum read? because people don't like that so i'm going to try to drop it. now we're going in this direction and it's fine. And after reading most of prp's filter, the main scum read is that question he started with, and a scum read based on something so trivial isn't worth a scum read at all given the rest of his post. Having said that, prp isn't exactly being the best town either. He's making a few comments here and there, but nothing really insightful nor with depth. I'm not sure what he meant with stop scum reading people that are purposely trying to be mysterious and I also see a lack of motivation from a town point of view as he wants to sheep the siblings. But at least right now, he's not screaming scum at me. So my read on prp right now is between "prp is so bad at playing scum that he must be town!" and a town lacking motivation. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 11 2015 17:56 Tubesock wrote: There is risk in this play for sure. He could be straight up lynched. But doesn't softing vet help AND taking advantage of people's general unnease of "easy lynches" or "low-hanging fruit"? You can see it in this game with him. He got 4 votes fairly quickly and people started getting quesy. I unvoted. Breshke said something. Prplhz said "I wish people would stop voting a guy who wants to play mysteriously. It's not scummy." It fucking worked. People are talking about other stuff and there is ZERO direction. Exactly what mafia wants. For sweet justice ##Vote: TheBloodyDwarf OK for dwarf (as godfather) to do this a bunch of things would have to happen: 1. He gets the scared mafia thing. It's possible, it is a thing I've seen it twice in 3 games. I think there is a chance he's played as mafia in a different game but probably not one this intense. 2. There is no easy targets. He just said he has no reads so that could be a thing. Plot also said the same, so to a new person this could be the case? 3. He comes up with this plan. Beyond risky, he would have value his life very little. Most of my games see people like dwarf get lynched day one (all been town too). If you look at your quotes, he would have to be very obvious about it too, which might be a problem for someone who was scared mafia (#1). 4. There's even a cop in the game. Take the chances of #1-3 happening and divide it by two. Final Verdict: Ehh. I mean it is possible, but I would say the chances of him doing this are less than the random chance he is any of the mafia roles. I think he is the most like to be godfather out of all of us, but I think we would be more successful at focusing on why people are mafia over straight up godfather. Verdict on Tube for posting: Out there factor could put you in a weird town category. You would look more town if you weren't on him before everyone switched to someone else. Definitely not lynchable today though. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 11 2015 18:47 prplhz wrote: a green check is useless until godfather has flipped. I disagree. A 67% chance of someone being scum is better than random chance they roll scum by a lot. I don't see a cop killing themselves over it though, both because it is not the smartest move and you would definitely lose face if the person you check does flip godfather. | ||
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Soren333
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jarjarbinks - offers a refreshing outlook to the game. I'm liking the posts he's making. Read his posts and you'll think the same. Half the Sky - another person I enjoy reading because I see a townie mindset behind their posts. Now many having been saying that he's a vet so this wouldn't be hard to fake. But at the very least, he's not doing anything scummy at the moment. Tubesock - he's a god for noticing that about dwarfy Null reads (the null reads here are mainly that I either having been much attention to them or they haven't posted enough for me to get a read on them): Stutters695 Breshke Onegu - leaning scum but honestly haven't paid much attention to him rsoultin prplhz - bad scum or just bad town Ace1312 - the thing with ace is that I think he's inactivity is genuine and is not indicative of scum at all. However, whenever he does post he just says shit like "lol guys dont lynch me just because im inactive okay lolololol". That irks me because it seems overly defensive. Defending himself for inactivity without even being suspected yet. And his large post was just regurgitating a general consensus of the situation at that time, which on one hands seems like a scum appearing to be contributing, on the other hand, maybe ace was indeed short of time and just simply had the same line of thought with everyone else too. So I don't think this is indicative of scum either. Bourneq - lean scum because the majority of the time he only posts when prodded. But that could just be because he's new and doesn't really know what to post about. Scum reads: plotspot - his 100% town read is immediately indicative of scum because only scum can be 100% sure if someone is town at this point in the game. Has also been waaaaay too fluffy with his posts. Like he's saying ridiculous shit just to filler in between his unexplained points. TheBloodyDwarf - read tubesock's case. And also dwarfy is barely contributing at all, not offering reads and just not doing anything significant. His earlier posts are weird and defensive. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 11 2015 18:53 prplhz wrote: this is super debatable but what isn't debatable is that sc2 arcade mafia players in a newbie game would never do this. anyway, COP SHOULDN'T OUT HIMSELF TO GIVE A GREEN CHECK. Is sc2 like starkingdoms? If that's the only place dwarf came from he definitely didn't do this lol | ||
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Soren333
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jarjarbinks
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lol... so my defense of dwarf was really just to show the differences to their reactions at being voted on. I was trying to say plot looks worse than dwarf. They both did the same thing actually. Both voted early on someone. Then overreacted when they got scumread/voted on early. The key difference was that plot talked about how early votes didn't mean much before he overreacted. He later makes a defense for it, which I'm not sure I believe. I'm diving him and Prp after all this catch up. | ||
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On April 11 2015 23:37 rsoultin wrote: meh lol plot and wallpost of null beautiful bourne i still cant follow, why plot now >< tch, sorry guys im out for the day plot/soren should be the lynch...if not follow bresh...hes smart and prob town this game ill be back later this evening ....using logic....lol soooo if prp, bresh and me are her top town reads....that means.... MY MANFEELINGS! | ||
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plotspot
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jarjarbinks
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On April 10 2015 07:30 plotspot wrote: Since the rules states I have to vote, and I can't decide, I vote alphabetically. It's still plenty time lift for interaction, I might change my vote anytime, hence I asked whether we can change our vote. I don't see it written on the first page about changing votes. So better vote before I forget to.^^ Btw, I didn't read any mafia threads yet, just the general guide. This post aligned with him describing his vote was alphabetical (to me) is saying "this vote is too early to actually matter so Aces technically shouldn't get mad at the vote." | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 12 2015 01:46 plotspot wrote: Lol I'm found out, why don't you all vote me? Then you don't have to discuss anymore why to vote anyone else. This might spare distrust within town.^^ Top readers here. Obviously I've made it look too easy. Too bad.^^ lol you still got time! Of all the people scumming you right now, which one do you think is most likely the mafia person trying to hop on the train? | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 10 2015 08:12 plotspot wrote: I'm considering changing my vote to Onegu. He's playing like a fucktard. But of course I'm still not sure whether it's his strategy or him inadvertently not "getting" some of the things. Overreaction to Onegu scumming him.... | ||
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jarjarbinks
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On April 11 2015 07:43 plotspot wrote: I only said I considered switching my vote, because he made 2 strange mistakes, like wanting a voting thread or saying I didn't explain myself to prplhz when easy checking could have confirmed I did. It was very early in the game, but why am I explaining things, isn't the uncertainty what he is obvious in the quote? Defense. This IS feasible. I COULD be tunneling on him. I could see him coming up with this though to look better. If anyone's around please halp | ||
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