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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 24 2015 23:55 GMT
#6351
EBWOP: sicklucker and alakaslam: you need to claim mason or not mason the moment you return to the thread
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 00:01 GMT
#6355
On March 25 2015 08:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 08:53 ritoky wrote:
On March 25 2015 08:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 25 2015 08:49 ritoky wrote:
On March 25 2015 08:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 25 2015 08:41 ritoky wrote:
Damdred calls for use on palmar:

On March 25 2015 07:29 Damdred wrote:
Also orb user do it to Palmar! Ultimate use out of it


March 25th, 7:29

SL's last known activity:

On March 24 2015 18:31 sicklucker wrote:
weekend*


March 24th, 18:31

On March 25 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:
Can I be confirmed town because I told orb user to shoot Palmar.

I feel like vivax I have a theory brewing


No, you cannot. Your call for a use on Palmar based on activity was completely inconsequential and is just you trying to grab town cred.

That's presuming SL was telling the truth which no one knew, and presuming Damdred remembered SL saying that. This point is stretching AT THE VERY LEAST.


Why does he mention it once, I tell him no, no one else comments, and so he mentions it again? Isn't damdred like universally town read by everyone but me and maybe vivax? Why does he need to make a show of getting even more town cred or bring it up. Just seems like capitalizing on a situation which mafia are more apt to do.

Because apparently he found it important to mention. It's really not much of a stretch.


lol you're really gonna have to talk me out of this one. i have a pretty fucking good read on damdred, and he was mason or mafia. he said no to mason.

regardless onegu needs to be resolved first so i will just drop it for now.

I'm willing to revisit Damdred once my PoE proves ineffective. I'm pretty sure I can get a margin of error that leaves us at lylo pending on who the orb had if there's a mafia in my confirmed town list.


idk there's a bit of a problem with your PoE though.

namely that I am in your PoE and I am confirmed town, SL is in your PoE and in all likelihood he just shot mafia so he is confirmed town, and Breshke is in your PoE; perhaps I am wrong on Breshke but that read he gave when I interacted with him was pretty town.

so...uhhhh you gotta be wrong somewhere right? unless the team is literally breshke + superbia + slam (maybe with a dash of onegu)
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 05:44 GMT
#6541
oh look he rescinded his mason claim, saw that coming.

my gut response is to just lynch onegu cuz fuck your fake claim BS, but i feel like i need to resist that urge and actually read the following responses
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 05:49 GMT
#6544
On March 25 2015 14:46 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 14:44 ritoky wrote:
oh look he rescinded his mason claim, saw that coming.

my gut response is to just lynch onegu cuz fuck your fake claim BS, but i feel like i need to resist that urge and actually read the following responses



Like how did a fake mason claim hurt town if I'm town, and how is it smart as scum. Therefor it's not BS.


what did you gain from the claim? from my perspective all it added was unnecessary confusion and lies that makes the game harder to solve. that is mafia's job, not town. it's not like your claim led to a lynch or found scum, it just made the game harder for everyone else except the mafia. thus it is BS.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 05:54 GMT
#6548
my real big issue is your claim time, like you tested the waters super early on. your second post is claiming groot and taking the temperatures on people's response. that's the part that bugs me the most about the entire situation. i have made stupid fake claims in the past that have cost town quite a bit, so i can understand the fake claim mindset. but i don't like this testing the waters early in the game when you can claim it as a joke or rescind with little consequence stuff. it reeks of mafia scouting for if masons are in the game. that's the part that really irks me the most.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 05:57 GMT
#6551
On March 25 2015 14:53 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 14:49 ritoky wrote:
On March 25 2015 14:46 Onegu wrote:
On March 25 2015 14:44 ritoky wrote:
oh look he rescinded his mason claim, saw that coming.

my gut response is to just lynch onegu cuz fuck your fake claim BS, but i feel like i need to resist that urge and actually read the following responses



Like how did a fake mason claim hurt town if I'm town, and how is it smart as scum. Therefor it's not BS.


what did you gain from the claim? from my perspective all it added was unnecessary confusion and lies that makes the game harder to solve. that is mafia's job, not town. it's not like your claim led to a lynch or found scum, it just made the game harder for everyone else except the mafia. thus it is BS.



Nope it has confirmed sicklucker as town, plus I'm going to go back to the point I claimed mason with Rayn to see who didn't believe, but that is moreso if you flip scum which I don't think is likely. Also it made mafia miss a shot as I got n1 protection while getting shot. So what were you saying about it not helping town?


isn't SL town for shooting a mafia in the face? and idk shit about the night actions, but if it did something, then cool, but dunno if it counterbalances the confusion caused.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:06 GMT
#6560
Eden, I am not opposed to your PoE plan if you can sub out damdred from your town circle for anyone who you have decent read on.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:07 GMT
#6561
On March 25 2015 15:04 Onegu wrote:
And did it really cause that much confusion? Yeah a bit after HF was shot. Then more when I claimed Rayn and Rayn said he wasn't with me. But for the most part it was ignored other than wanting me to claim partner so they could put 2 people as confirmed.


the town literally spent the end of night phase walking into walls in the dark waiting on you, and basically resolved the claim for you? idk since i entered the game it has been pretty much a top 3 point of confusion and contention
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:34 GMT
#6565
I am kinda with trfel, and I explained it shittily earlier, but it's probably the best i can do when explaining an unconventional read on an unconventional player:

On March 25 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:06 Superbia wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also you're forgetting that the JK probably stopped 1KP, which would've made things 3KP otherwise. A RB on a Vivax shooting Slam could easily result in a Slam mislynch. Town vigis either shoot scum or bad townies and either result can be detrimental to scum because it could eliminate mislynches.


No, no. That's absolutely irrelevant. The play is to let both KP go through 100%. The misslynch on slam is absolutely irrelevant, because you go into d2 with 5 townies dead and suspicion on the Vigis. 5v10. If you secure a misslynch on that day you have mylo in d3.

1. You don't know if Vivax is shooting Slam or someone else.
2. RBing Vivax isn't between 4 or 2 KP but 4 or 3 KP
3. An alive town Slam is highly likely to get lynched.
I don't find your case very convincing. I think there's a good chance Slam is scum, but not because of this.


Can you tell me the other reason slam is scum?

Super serious at the start, convincingly wanted to change his town meta, then basically stopped playing. If he truly felt strongly about it I think we would've seen more of him this game.


Maybe he just realized that a cat is a cat. You can put funny hats on it or little cat boots or even a sweater, but it still remains a cat. I don't think slam is the kind of guy who can help but be himself. I didn't read the early game so I can't attest to that, but I have a pretty good read on him, and he is leaning town on his way to town for me.

Can you explain that read on him?


Not really, but I can try a little bit. It is primarily a tone, content, and specificity read. The tone and content read comes from me joking a lot with him and engaging in eye of the chupazi training and kinda starting to get a glimpse inside the wifom bunker after the great bombing of the chupazitron 50000 cracked the shell. There's also this kinda specific tell that he does in regards to directly addressing people with jokes/antagonism as town versus doing it in a general sense as mafia that I don't wanna give away. There was a game a while back when slam fooled me for a good long while cuz I had 0 clue how to read him, then something clicked. It was return of MSpaint mafia. I found that in that game I could very clearly tell who Slam wanted to lynch every phase. He didn't necessarily push them or make an agenda or lead people onto them, but I always knew the exact person he wanted dead. I don't know who he wants lynched as of yet.

There's some other stuff to it, but you would call it absolutely crazy.


slam just seems kinda like town slam to me. just seems like the people who want to lynch slam just want to lynch him cuz they can't be bothered to find a compelling reason on someone else. i don't really find anything i have read about slam thus far that damning.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:49 GMT
#6567
On March 25 2015 15:37 Trfel wrote:
Ritoky, why should I townread you?

You crushed me last game. Have you done anything you are incapable of as scum yet? Is there something I missed in your scumplay last game?


I think I speak in a more definitive manner and with more absolutes when I am mafia. Someone told me that in pm after a game once, and I kinda thought it was true. You should really ask damdred, he is the one with the super good read on me.

I think you should believe I am town because I am one of the few people in the game who is still really trying to draw answers and conclusions out of people. Not many people are still asking questions and trying to determine alignments. I still am. Maybe that is simply because I didn't read 280 pages and am a sub, but I think the game is far from solved as it stands now.

I also don't really feel super valuable right now to town because of the questions around rayn's and am okay being put in a PoE list as long as the town list is something I can get behind. Eden's isn't that bad. Except the damdred part.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:50 GMT
#6568
ebwop: rayn's play
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:53 GMT
#6570
On March 25 2015 15:52 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 15:18 Trfel wrote:
See, I can't really scumread for inactivity this game. It's a huge commitment to keep up, and I can easily see townies not being able to do so. So Alakaslam just feels like a policy lynch.

Rsoultin had a very good metric for reading Alakaslam, and it worked in Down Under 2. Boring Alakaslam is scum, interesting and creative Alakaslam is town.

This game, we see Alakaslam with an evolving, and interesting scumread of Holyflare.

I am not inclined to lynch him?






FOR THE LAST TIME, THAT WAS MY READ AND MY LYNCH, I WAS FIRST TO VOTE HIM, MY REASONS WERE BETTER AND MY FORMULA WORKS.


what does your formula calculate his alignment to right now?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 07:01 GMT
#6574
On March 25 2015 15:54 Eden1892 wrote:
meh sorry can't take Damdred out as of yet. But if everyone else on that list is someone you're cool with then I'm sure you'll have time to convince me otherwise, yeah?


i mean you have to be wrong on some people on that list, that is the nature of a PoE list...i know you're wrong on me, i have my doubts about lynching slam cuz he is leaning town for me; but if me and slam are the collateral damage necessary to win the game throught PoE, then okay.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 07:02 GMT
#6575
how u just ignore my response trfel? ROOD
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 09:31 GMT
#6593
On March 25 2015 17:59 Eden1892 wrote:
ritoky talk to me about this meta read Damdred's supposed to have on you. What is it, why is it so effective iyo, how accurate has it been, what makes you say Damdred hasn't been using it and what does it mean for his alignment that he hasn't?


going to bed

it is incredibly accurate. i don't know the content of it, he has never explained him to. he called me SK within 2 posts of subbing into a game after no1 had even mentioned it. in mafia XXX he called me town when i was red checked as a miller and pretty much 0 people thought i was. the only recent game we have played where i fooled him even a bit was down under 2 where i pretty much played the scum game of my life, but i also shot him super early on. but it's been dead on in every other recent game i remember.

as for the other part, i don't know if he is using it now; and that wasn't my complaint. my issue with him is that i was subbing in. he has a god tier read on me. knowing that, he still tried to plynch my slot and go after it for reasons regarding rayn. i don't really understand that pov coming from damdred in specific regards to me.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 09:32 GMT
#6594
ebwop: explained it to me...wow i am tired...ER sucks some nights mang
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 18:48 GMT
#6705
On March 26 2015 02:21 Trfel wrote:
Hm, Onegu, I certainly hope that surgery goes okay.

Vivax is generally considered town due to the number of posts and the effort he has been putting into this game.

Eden is town because he has also been putting a ton of effort into this game, and he has been constantly thinking critically and willing to discuss with anyone. He's the only certain townread that I'm willing to give for gameplay alone.


I don't really think eden is scum as of now, but be wary of this as a justification for your read for now and future games. It bit you in the ass once.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 18:59 GMT
#6712
slam i don't know how to read you when you talk like this lol.

i need you to turn on the following and speak from the heart:

[image loading]
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 19:08 GMT
#6715
On March 26 2015 03:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2015 03:09 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 26 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:
so Slam. I ask again. you only contended that my summary was wrong in that your martyrdom was limited.

regardless based on your body of work it's pretty much impossible for me to believe you're town.

how am I supposed to change my mind about you? what am I supposed to be seeing? help me help you

You are supposed to be seeing frustration and inability to aid, you should see a logic that is trying to aid town from a position of literally no information.

You should see me GIVING A FUCK BECAUSE AS SCUM I WOULDNT. I WOULD JUST LOL AT YOU AND GO FOR YOUR nk EARLIER.

You should see me popping in so rarely and only saying things like "page 302, boss 302" and my opinion on things here and there.

You should have fucking lynches me when I asked for it, not always as the pocket lynch at the end until scum finds they need an ML NOW

this is why you are so scum in my eyes. I can see a scum strategy and you are following it better than the town strategy and you refuse to inform me.

THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOUKD SEE HILY SHIT

NO JNFORMATION LIKE WTF I COULD ASK MY SCUMTEAM TO KEEP ME UPDATED VERSUS ROLLING OVER USELESS LIKE THIS. I COULD AT LEAST ACT LIKE I WAS IP ON THE THREAD

this post actually feels town to me


are you mafia spewing slam as town?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 20:13 GMT
#6740
On March 26 2015 05:00 Damdred wrote:
....onegu has a way to read rayn 100%. He has a god tier soul read on him supposedly and anytime I've read or been in a game with them ehs always read him correctly.

This is the worst play for scum to claim...just all risk with no reward honestly


so if in your world onegu is town, and has a god tier read on rayn, then that makes me town; so where are you at with your scum team?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
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