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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:07 GMT
#6561
On March 25 2015 15:04 Onegu wrote:
And did it really cause that much confusion? Yeah a bit after HF was shot. Then more when I claimed Rayn and Rayn said he wasn't with me. But for the most part it was ignored other than wanting me to claim partner so they could put 2 people as confirmed.


the town literally spent the end of night phase walking into walls in the dark waiting on you, and basically resolved the claim for you? idk since i entered the game it has been pretty much a top 3 point of confusion and contention
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 25 2015 06:11 GMT
#6562
On March 25 2015 15:03 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 14:55 Onegu wrote:
On March 25 2015 14:50 Trfel wrote:
On March 25 2015 14:46 Onegu wrote:
On March 25 2015 14:44 ritoky wrote:
oh look he rescinded his mason claim, saw that coming.

my gut response is to just lynch onegu cuz fuck your fake claim BS, but i feel like i need to resist that urge and actually read the following responses



Like how did a fake mason claim hurt town if I'm town, and how is it smart as scum. Therefor it's not BS.
It doesn't hurt town all that much if you're smart about it. As scum, it potentially keeps you alive for longer, and I could see scum risking claiming mason with a scumbuddy (yes, I'm still suspicious of raynpelikoneet/ritoky).

I think you ought to be read independent of your claim. And I don't see much that suggestsp you are town, though I haven't taken a close look yet.

Ei

See this is fine. But If I am scum with Rayn why wouldn't Rayn confirm? I have already said this and you can check I have rolled mafia and mason with Rayn and I don't do anything without letting Rayn know and ok it.
I know you say that, but it seems like a very reasonable thing to happen in my opinion. And I can't take your word for it, for obvious reasons.


## mafia as scum
Slytherin mafia and masons
Xxx mafia as scum

Slitherin has a good example as I wanted to CC one of his fake claims posted in qt then waited for him to get back. But don't take my word for go check
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Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 25 2015 06:16 GMT
#6563
On March 25 2015 15:07 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 15:04 Onegu wrote:
And did it really cause that much confusion? Yeah a bit after HF was shot. Then more when I claimed Rayn and Rayn said he wasn't with me. But for the most part it was ignored other than wanting me to claim partner so they could put 2 people as confirmed.


the town literally spent the end of night phase walking into walls in the dark waiting on you, and basically resolved the claim for you? idk since i entered the game it has been pretty much a top 3 point of confusion and contention



Well you came in N2 and I had said I would claim with 20 min before deadline, but then went out to eat with my mom. I wanted to wait again beacuse I might have been shot again. Doubtful but possible.
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 25 2015 06:18 GMT
#6564
See, I can't really scumread for inactivity this game. It's a huge commitment to keep up, and I can easily see townies not being able to do so. So Alakaslam just feels like a policy lynch.

Rsoultin had a very good metric for reading Alakaslam, and it worked in Down Under 2. Boring Alakaslam is scum, interesting and creative Alakaslam is town.

This game, we see Alakaslam with an evolving, and interesting scumread of Holyflare.

I am not inclined to lynch him?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:34 GMT
#6565
I am kinda with trfel, and I explained it shittily earlier, but it's probably the best i can do when explaining an unconventional read on an unconventional player:

On March 25 2015 07:25 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 07:16 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:14 ritoky wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:06 Superbia wrote:
On March 25 2015 07:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also you're forgetting that the JK probably stopped 1KP, which would've made things 3KP otherwise. A RB on a Vivax shooting Slam could easily result in a Slam mislynch. Town vigis either shoot scum or bad townies and either result can be detrimental to scum because it could eliminate mislynches.


No, no. That's absolutely irrelevant. The play is to let both KP go through 100%. The misslynch on slam is absolutely irrelevant, because you go into d2 with 5 townies dead and suspicion on the Vigis. 5v10. If you secure a misslynch on that day you have mylo in d3.

1. You don't know if Vivax is shooting Slam or someone else.
2. RBing Vivax isn't between 4 or 2 KP but 4 or 3 KP
3. An alive town Slam is highly likely to get lynched.
I don't find your case very convincing. I think there's a good chance Slam is scum, but not because of this.


Can you tell me the other reason slam is scum?

Super serious at the start, convincingly wanted to change his town meta, then basically stopped playing. If he truly felt strongly about it I think we would've seen more of him this game.


Maybe he just realized that a cat is a cat. You can put funny hats on it or little cat boots or even a sweater, but it still remains a cat. I don't think slam is the kind of guy who can help but be himself. I didn't read the early game so I can't attest to that, but I have a pretty good read on him, and he is leaning town on his way to town for me.

Can you explain that read on him?


Not really, but I can try a little bit. It is primarily a tone, content, and specificity read. The tone and content read comes from me joking a lot with him and engaging in eye of the chupazi training and kinda starting to get a glimpse inside the wifom bunker after the great bombing of the chupazitron 50000 cracked the shell. There's also this kinda specific tell that he does in regards to directly addressing people with jokes/antagonism as town versus doing it in a general sense as mafia that I don't wanna give away. There was a game a while back when slam fooled me for a good long while cuz I had 0 clue how to read him, then something clicked. It was return of MSpaint mafia. I found that in that game I could very clearly tell who Slam wanted to lynch every phase. He didn't necessarily push them or make an agenda or lead people onto them, but I always knew the exact person he wanted dead. I don't know who he wants lynched as of yet.

There's some other stuff to it, but you would call it absolutely crazy.


slam just seems kinda like town slam to me. just seems like the people who want to lynch slam just want to lynch him cuz they can't be bothered to find a compelling reason on someone else. i don't really find anything i have read about slam thus far that damning.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 25 2015 06:37 GMT
#6566
Ritoky, why should I townread you?

You crushed me last game. Have you done anything you are incapable of as scum yet? Is there something I missed in your scumplay last game?
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:49 GMT
#6567
On March 25 2015 15:37 Trfel wrote:
Ritoky, why should I townread you?

You crushed me last game. Have you done anything you are incapable of as scum yet? Is there something I missed in your scumplay last game?


I think I speak in a more definitive manner and with more absolutes when I am mafia. Someone told me that in pm after a game once, and I kinda thought it was true. You should really ask damdred, he is the one with the super good read on me.

I think you should believe I am town because I am one of the few people in the game who is still really trying to draw answers and conclusions out of people. Not many people are still asking questions and trying to determine alignments. I still am. Maybe that is simply because I didn't read 280 pages and am a sub, but I think the game is far from solved as it stands now.

I also don't really feel super valuable right now to town because of the questions around rayn's and am okay being put in a PoE list as long as the town list is something I can get behind. Eden's isn't that bad. Except the damdred part.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:50 GMT
#6568
ebwop: rayn's play
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Onegu
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States9699 Posts
March 25 2015 06:52 GMT
#6569
On March 25 2015 15:18 Trfel wrote:
See, I can't really scumread for inactivity this game. It's a huge commitment to keep up, and I can easily see townies not being able to do so. So Alakaslam just feels like a policy lynch.

Rsoultin had a very good metric for reading Alakaslam, and it worked in Down Under 2. Boring Alakaslam is scum, interesting and creative Alakaslam is town.

This game, we see Alakaslam with an evolving, and interesting scumread of Holyflare.

I am not inclined to lynch him?






FOR THE LAST TIME, THAT WAS MY READ AND MY LYNCH, I WAS FIRST TO VOTE HIM, MY REASONS WERE BETTER AND MY FORMULA WORKS.
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ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 06:53 GMT
#6570
On March 25 2015 15:52 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 15:18 Trfel wrote:
See, I can't really scumread for inactivity this game. It's a huge commitment to keep up, and I can easily see townies not being able to do so. So Alakaslam just feels like a policy lynch.

Rsoultin had a very good metric for reading Alakaslam, and it worked in Down Under 2. Boring Alakaslam is scum, interesting and creative Alakaslam is town.

This game, we see Alakaslam with an evolving, and interesting scumread of Holyflare.

I am not inclined to lynch him?






FOR THE LAST TIME, THAT WAS MY READ AND MY LYNCH, I WAS FIRST TO VOTE HIM, MY REASONS WERE BETTER AND MY FORMULA WORKS.


what does your formula calculate his alignment to right now?
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 25 2015 06:54 GMT
#6571
On March 25 2015 15:52 Onegu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2015 15:18 Trfel wrote:
See, I can't really scumread for inactivity this game. It's a huge commitment to keep up, and I can easily see townies not being able to do so. So Alakaslam just feels like a policy lynch.

Rsoultin had a very good metric for reading Alakaslam, and it worked in Down Under 2. Boring Alakaslam is scum, interesting and creative Alakaslam is town.

This game, we see Alakaslam with an evolving, and interesting scumread of Holyflare.

I am not inclined to lynch him?






FOR THE LAST TIME, THAT WAS MY READ AND MY LYNCH, I WAS FIRST TO VOTE HIM, MY REASONS WERE BETTER AND MY FORMULA WORKS.
And this is exactly why Alakaslam is playing like he is this game. I don't think he likes his play being reduced to a formula. Is that enough incentive to be serious as town? I certainly think so.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
March 25 2015 06:54 GMT
#6572
meh sorry can't take Damdred out as of yet. But if everyone else on that list is someone you're cool with then I'm sure you'll have time to convince me otherwise, yeah?

and trfel... how is slam interesting this game? his 'evolving' read on holyflare is omgus, then dropping it when no one wanted to do anything with it. other than that he's done naught but excuse his inactivity, post off-topic and make bizarro world martyr posts about killing him so we can figure out we're wrong

like you have a really really low bar set for interesting if slam's play this game is interesting lmao
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Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 25 2015 07:01 GMT
#6573
On March 25 2015 15:54 Eden1892 wrote:
meh sorry can't take Damdred out as of yet. But if everyone else on that list is someone you're cool with then I'm sure you'll have time to convince me otherwise, yeah?

and trfel... how is slam interesting this game? his 'evolving' read on holyflare is omgus, then dropping it when no one wanted to do anything with it. other than that he's done naught but excuse his inactivity, post off-topic and make bizarro world martyr posts about killing him so we can figure out we're wrong

like you have a really really low bar set for interesting if slam's play this game is interesting lmao
I don't really understand the point of OMGUS.

Town uses OMGUS a bunch. Alakaslam shows why Holyflare is scum, and that is because Holyflare's push on Alakaslam is bad. I would have put Holyflare at scum lean for it, except it was early in the game and caused discussion, and the rest of Holyflare's play was towny. Thus, I can see what Alakaslam is getting it. He dropped it due to looking at the other things Holyflare was doing, which were townie (this makes sense).

He also shared some unique reads on other players (iirc scumread on rsoultin).

It's likely that Alakaslam is town, and can't keep up with the thread. I see it as a policy lynch.

And when I use the word interesting for Alakaslam:

Last game, Down Under 2, all he did was sheep Palmar the entire game, and didn't even bother defending himself. This game, he's at least caring, and being independent.

I can't and won't effectively argue Alakaslam to town. But I can argue him to null. And I don't want to lynch null.

I'm sleepy. Good night.
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 07:01 GMT
#6574
On March 25 2015 15:54 Eden1892 wrote:
meh sorry can't take Damdred out as of yet. But if everyone else on that list is someone you're cool with then I'm sure you'll have time to convince me otherwise, yeah?


i mean you have to be wrong on some people on that list, that is the nature of a PoE list...i know you're wrong on me, i have my doubts about lynching slam cuz he is leaning town for me; but if me and slam are the collateral damage necessary to win the game throught PoE, then okay.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
March 25 2015 07:02 GMT
#6575
how u just ignore my response trfel? ROOD
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 25 2015 07:03 GMT
#6576
I guess, I can't really describe it. But I can understand everything he's doing, and why he does all of it. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I can see it.

And so I don't want to lynch him yet.
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
March 25 2015 07:06 GMT
#6577
On March 25 2015 16:02 ritoky wrote:
how u just ignore my response trfel? ROOD
I didn't have anything to say.

As to you being actively willing to try and solve the game, you were the most tryhard player in Down Under 2. And here, we're fatigued from this 300+ page game, and you're just starting. You would be obvious scum if you weren't trying harder than everyone else.

The other point requires a few careful filter dives from a fully awake Trfel. Not happening at 3 AM.

Good night. And really, thanks for the response, that wasn't an easy question to answer.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
March 25 2015 07:20 GMT
#6578
I didn't know ritoky was onegu's father
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
March 25 2015 07:21 GMT
#6579
eden why did you change your mind on me?
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 25 2015 07:51 GMT
#6580
Oh I thought it was pointless.

I'm here. Any synopsis on the case on me? I will destroy it and therefore fulfill duty to the town as far as I can do it
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