TL Mafia LXX: Guardians of the Galaxy - Page 330

On March 19 2015 23:35 LightningStrike wrote:

Town:

Exo: He seemed to be his normal self some questions but I waiting for him to case someone at some point in the game after playing with him in Newbie LX.

rsoultin: She seems to happy to roll Mafia this game I would think she would be Mad at rolling Mafia again esp with me in the game but she seems to be having fun with her posts so far (She rolled Mafia in Horns of Africa and Titanic) Also she died way to early in JOAT because of mean HTS wanting to get rid of her so she wouldn't figure HTS out in JOAT She also my whisper so listen to her on me.

Holyflare: Some decent questions and plays similar to how he did in Horns when I played with him plus answering a meta point to me about Mafia!Rayn is more useless than Town!Rayn but idk what Rayn post would indicate that he's useless tbh :|

Vivax: Vivax is Vivax and that means he just crazy but I think he's trying hard this game and more likely Town than Mafia upon the fact he's trying so hard but he's crazy so meh.

Trfel: I finding his entrance odd but who the hell claims Mafia Day 1 except for Damdred in Imperial lol..... He got some decent questions and also can't wait for him to case someone even if he case the hosts (For those who didn't check Mini Mafia Down Under 2 he cased the host and it was funny as hell 10/10 would want him to case a host again).

Bill Murray: Asking some decent questions and my first time playing with him and seems to engage with his Mafiaread of Eden and noticing some stuff I don't think others did at the time.

Eden1892: Had some trolling stuff early on which I kinda expect from him as Town compared to Mafia with some decent questioning regarding me to rsoultin. Also his filter is much bigger than his filter as Mafia from experience playing with him.

Superbia: Much more serious already and already down to business which I think makes him more Town than Mafia knowing in Campus was kinda trolling in Day 1 and was useless in Imperial.

Breshke: Short filter but some of his questions ande thoughts to be something I would think he would do as Town more so than Mafia esp his little thing on sicklucker.

Null:

Damdred: Seems to be a his townie self but I remember he looked so townie yet he was Mafia in Titanic so I need another Day of him being alive to make a good read.

Artanis: As I said earlier he looked so Townie in Imperial yet he was Mafia but he also had a bad game as Mafia in Student VI so idk I need some more time to figure him out prob by Day 2 since I know he's a player by reputation being one of the best players in TL Mafia.

raynpelikoneet: Seems much angrier than normal idk if it's truely alignment indicative about him but HF says he's useless as Mafia compared to Town but his filter seems Palmar centric with some side tracks O_o

Palmar: Trolling a good amount I don't think it's alignment indicative for him since he loves to troll as both alignment from my experience with him cept for Metal Mini when he was super serious.

Alakaslam: Slam is Slam and I can't really read him and I know he's the true king of WIFOM as either alignemnt so meh.

Onegu: Very short filter and not really doing much but I remember him being kinda meh as town compared to Mafia but I need some more posts from him.

sicklucker: I can't read him anymore after Linux when he was Mafia and he always bounces off the walls as either alignment and did make some incorrect statements about self meta but he done that as either alignment. I think he becomes obvious Mafia at Day 2/3 area from my experience with him and seeing him playing as Mafia so I waiting for Day 2 to make my read on him.

Fecalfeast: He not raging about his role with time and idk if it's alignment indicative for him from my experience with him being town :|

Sorry for the long wait for my post I was updating it while checking the thread so I wouldn't be so lost and added in info while making the post!

On March 19 2015 23:41 Vivax wrote:
How is that list town. It's void of scumreads, it's like a big "DONT HURT ME PLS".

On March 25 2015 17:59 Eden1892 wrote:
ritoky talk to me about this meta read Damdred's supposed to have on you. What is it, why is it so effective iyo, how accurate has it been, what makes you say Damdred hasn't been using it and what does it mean for his alignment that he hasn't?

On March 25 2015 12:53 Superbia wrote:


All right. So Artanis' day 1 is actually really really bad, with the exception if rayn ever flips mafia (which I severely doubt at this point).

He hard defends LS:



He calls toad scum and by proxy, defends Palmar who toad is tunneling. Interestingly, at this very point Artanis had no read on Palmar! He was reading him null!

Then, when the claim wars happen, he completely flips on toad, and goes hard after vivax. This is after toad was his hard mafia read.

We are left with this list:



With the exception of possibly rayn, most of his reads are pretty shit. He leans town on two confirmed mafia (really bad) for seemingly no good reason whatsoever.

Now this is where it gets scummy, with the whole claim thing. There's a wagon on Vivax and a wagon starts on BM. As the wagon starts, Art calls it "pure" but refuses to switch. He gets called out by you (Eden) and he gives a half-assed excuse later. He seems to strongly consider the world in which both vigis are real:



But for a reason I don't share whatsoever, proceeds to call Vivax 100% scum anyway. Moreover, Artanis later finds the time to make a paint diagram on rayn's anger levels, a very peculiar thing to do in such a high-stress claim situation for town. He seems to consider his options during this claim war, but I sincerely doubt he actually did consider anything. In the end he is still reading Vivax as scum.

Now it gets even weirder, we manage to get the wagon off of Vivax, and the night phase begins. For some reason, Artanis decides to town-read Vivax, before the night actions are even resolved. Then when the day begins (and KP is reduced), Artanis hard-reads Vivax town for his filter length, what!?

My theory at this point is that scum put both an RB and KP on Vivax. I believe that both Artanis and Onegu are scum due to this. I believe Artanis was looking to set himself up to look good before Vivax flipped town, and that he needed to substantiate his read after it became obvious Vivax lived through the KP. By extension, I think that Onegu is scum because in this world Onegu is never the save.

I think for a 3rd scum slam is still a good bet.

On March 25 2015 13:20 Superbia wrote:
I agree that hard defending LS doesn't directly imply mafia, and that scum-reading toad who's pushing on Palmar doesn't imply a soft-defense of Palmar, but I'm arguing that it could. And I'm arguing that it looks bad. That's not the core of my case though, it's just the salt and the pepper. The core of my case is the Vivax/Toad Counter Claim event, and the flip-floppiness of Artanis' hard scum reads:

1. Artanis calls toad (hard) mafia.
2. Counterclaim wars between Vivax and Toad.
3. Artanis is now convinced Vivax is hard mafia.
4. During night Vivax is all of a sudden townie to Artanis.

Like that's very, very roughly my argument.