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Looking back at Onegu I just don't see this story making sense. The whole point he's trying to sell (without saying it as far as I know) is that he tried to draw hits and that's why he fakeclaimed. Or so I'd assume. That's why HF innitially townread him and went along with the mason claim but who does that by getting in the thread and sayingOn March 19 2015 11:06 Onegu wrote:
I'm not here, I am not VT.
I mean no mafia ever takes that serious. But okay fine, maybe he's not the delicate tool around but why in the world did he get so mad at rsoultin protecting him?
If that was the entire point of the fakeclaim, to draw hits, why would he get mad at someone thinking he's about to get shot?
That just doesn't add up. And there's just nothing on d1 that makes it look like he ACTUALLY tried to look townish to actually get hit. There was no effort whatsoever, just the cheap fakeclaim no mafia would ever believe and that's it.
If he didn't claim to draw hits he's mafia.
I think I actually like Onegu the most
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fucking Artanis stop ninja'ing me
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On March 25 2015 20:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Also we should still lynch Onegu because I find it unexplainable why after getting a million blueclaims Onegu doesn't go "hey guys I'm not actually mason so you should be able to trust the other claims" when the very fact of all these blueclaims started to worry us.
yeah that too. I mean I could totally see him waiting until n1 over, but d2? There was just no way any mafia would shoot Onegu during n2. He could have come clean way sooner.
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I'm actually fine with Slam too. The way he's still playing yet says he wants to get lynched makes me feel he doesn't actually want to get lynched and is just trying to create doubt. Still don't see why Onegu would've kept up this charade as town though with all the claims and shit.
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On March 25 2015 20:37 Toadesstern wrote:
fucking Artanis stop ninja'ing me
Never. You're my rock of sanity in an insane game.
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Also I was on 14 pages at this time in Imperial.
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you do realize that if you ever flip mafia I'm going to look horrible for all those ridiculous situations where we say exactly the same thing within 60 seconds or so.
Please don't flip mafia
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Please don't turn into Vivax.
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sup. Uni decided to shit on me today and it will probably be the same case tomorrow some im probably going to be less help than i would normally be.
Superbia you need to stop asking me if i was lurking when i rock up before deadline. deadline is in the morning for me i normally only wake up like an hour beforehand and that's if it is actually important.
I consider eden to be the only 100% lock clear along with SL and trefel. I cannot imagine a situation where i would ever vote to lynch these three.
I also would not currently lynch either of the vigis, superbia or damdred today. Artanis probably also goes in this category but he is at the bottom of the bunch for me.
This leaves me with Onegu, slam, FF, and ritoky.
I am hoping eden and trefel end up going on one of these four and I can jsut sheep them and be super useless this day phase. I know this post is shit but I don't have much time or willpower for much more at the moment.
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It seriously feels like this is some kind of bastard game where Vivax is slowly gaining control over all TL accounts and people lose their powers of rational thinking.
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Vivax!Damdred reporting in currently reading Palmars filter there are some interesting interactions with Rayn at a point. Palmar also agrees that Slam is scum, so that's something will report back soon with my complete thoughts
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BTW Palmars filter heavily indicates to me at least that Oneg is not scum.
If Oneg is scum with scum Palmar why does Palmar draw so much light to the fact that oneg as mason is not possible. He also goes on to highlight how scummy all of it is and really seems to be Palmars preferred lynch during the night.
Every action Palmar takes when he is mafia is to do one of two things, the first is to secure a mislynch to further the goal of winning the game. Palmar always looks to bus secondly, and in fact he generally HATES bussing from my limited experience with him. Perhaps i'm going to far down the rabbit hole at this point, but I don't see scum palmar pushing on oneg during the night when oneg is scum and the orb kill power is still out there (especially since scum team know that they don't have the orb at this point). So why put scum oneg at jeporady in this situation when theres still a chance oneg could turn this around or claim mason with Palmar or someone like that and ride it till end game.
This sounds convulted, but I highly disagree that scum!Oneg would rock the boat like he did going after JK!Rsoultin like he did. Also horrible play to shoot one of the people town reading you at that point in the game in HF. I don't think Oneg has done anything overtly towny but everyone is trying to policy lynch him when mafia was just pushing for his lynch.
I don't like this push on oneg at all
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i'll be back later after lunch.
Also I know I could be mafia siding I just don't think so currently
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On March 25 2015 22:47 Damdred wrote:
BTW Palmars filter heavily indicates to me at least that Oneg is not scum.
If Oneg is scum with scum Palmar why does Palmar draw so much light to the fact that oneg as mason is not possible. He also goes on to highlight how scummy all of it is and really seems to be Palmars preferred lynch during the night.
Every action Palmar takes when he is mafia is to do one of two things, the first is to secure a mislynch to further the goal of winning the game. Palmar always looks to bus secondly, and in fact he generally HATES bussing from my limited experience with him. Perhaps i'm going to far down the rabbit hole at this point, but I don't see scum palmar pushing on oneg during the night when oneg is scum and the orb kill power is still out there (especially since scum team know that they don't have the orb at this point). So why put scum oneg at jeporady in this situation when theres still a chance oneg could turn this around or claim mason with Palmar or someone like that and ride it till end game.
This sounds convulted, but I highly disagree that scum!Oneg would rock the boat like he did going after JK!Rsoultin like he did. Also horrible play to shoot one of the people town reading you at that point in the game in HF. I don't think Oneg has done anything overtly towny but everyone is trying to policy lynch him when mafia was just pushing for his lynch.
I don't like this push on oneg at all
I don't think Palmar draws that much light to Onegu at all. It's just one post where he comments on Onegu. It does feel fairly committing though.
On March 24 2015 20:15 Palmar wrote:This is more of a streaming writing thing, so I may disagree with myself in the same post. This is a bad post because it follows up a vote on Eden that wasn't for this reason. Although I'm not sure how serious he is. Show nested quote +On March 19 2015 17:13 Onegu wrote:
Anyway I haven't read the thread and my wife is going back to Thailand for a month in the morning.
Plz for the love of God everyone vote Eden or rsoultin. This spoiler shit needs to stop and then never happen again in future games.
Groot out. There's also a pattern of excuses in his posts, but again I'm not sure how relevant that is. Show nested quote +On March 20 2015 21:05 Onegu wrote:
Maybe I should read Rayn filter and give my soul read but meh. My partner says he is crummy, he is kinda passed at me but <3 Show nested quote +On March 21 2015 19:20 Onegu wrote:
Sorry I wasn't around for deadline would have voted Bill Murray. Will rng who I sheep at day post and let you all know. Will try to play Sunday and read some filters. For now.just letting my mason partner keep me kinda up to date. But yeah, I don't think there is very much interesting in Onegu's filter which is probably interesting by itself. The best point one way or the other is what I pointed out in the beginning because it combines the weird vote and post about something the vote wasn't for, and the fact that it's a post complaining about activities in the game (mafia do get mad at antics, because it's an easy thing to pick on). But he does have the mason claim. I actually kind of think it's a good idea at this point to force it out of him tomorrow because I'm not sure he's mason. How many claims do we have? Cop, Vigi, Vigi, Tracker, Mason, Mason? Seems a bit inflated.
But on the other hand, I can imagine that scum Palmar knows how bad scum Onegu is going to look when he unclaims and feels he has no choice but to bus. This is also one of the only times where Palmar really mentions Onegu. I also don't feel like it's likely for anyone to use the Orb on Onegu, because we were all awaiting his claim at EoN and Palmar knew that.
I dunno about Onegu's tendencies for going after near-confirmed townies like Rso. Would have to check.
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And I just realized I have no idea how to check that without spending a significant amount of time investigating who was generally considered town. Maybe if I just look at who gets NKed and see if scumnegu pushed that person that'd go fast.
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Hammertime (Scumnegu) he didn't go after Eden who got killed N1. Did go after VE which he ended up shooting N2.
Slytherin (Townnegu) he found lian pretty null (though iirc no one knows why lian got shot n1 that game) and had a townread on Rayn.
I'm also starting to realize that what I'm searching for is quite silly because this wouldn't even prove anything, but what I am noticing is that Onegu as town really looked for a few players for guidance. In Slytherin, he trusted Rayn and kept asking Rayn to help him. Going to see if this is a trend for his towngames.
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Nope, seemed to be a one time thing with Rayn when he felt he could trust him.
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I was about to say that Onegu might be scum this game because he's interacted a lot with him in Slytherin (thinking he's town) and Guilty (where he scumread Rayn) but I just looked into Neat & Tidy and scumnegu interacts with townrayn a lot there so I'm back to inconclusive god fuck
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Okay there's something in Onegu's tone I noticed in Neat & Tidy (mafia) that struck my eye because it felt very un-Oneguish.
On August 20 2014 13:41 Onegu wrote:
Yeah its not me never has been.
Rayn is the only thing that makes sense. He played me all game and I was wrong thinking I could read him.
Guys please dig my filter and realize its not me. If you fools want to know the reason its not me 100%, I have rolled scum I believe 7 times, of those 7 times I have won 2. A newbie and when I was paired with Marv and Sylencia. In most of the other games rayn it was you who had me pinned as mafia day 1/2 for legit reasons.
The only thing that stuck in my craw yesterday about rayn and makeing me feel he is scum today besides PoE. Is this, i push kush yesterday, rayn then comes into the thread throws his vote on kush, I follow with my vote. He then asks why I feel kush is mafia even though I have already given it, rayn even though voteing kush never gives his reason for voteing kush until late in the day after being pushed for it.
There's something that feels very defeatist about this, and it's formulated in a way very differently to how Onegu said he's fine with getting lynched this game. It feels more... theatrical, like he has to put on a show. Onegu this game has not felt like he's putting on a show at all. I think I'm going to go with town onegu for now.
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Also if anyone wants to convince me of a town or scum slam that'd be great because I have no idea. I'm sorta scumreading him through PoE, and the fact that Palmar derailed a Slam discussion onto Damdred early in his filter.
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