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KelsierSC
1) Opening: give me time and trolling
2) First reads:
On February 25 2015 06:08 KelsierSC wrote:
I'd lynch
Tormented,Damdred,Node,Tronak and SL
3) Followed by:
On February 25 2015 06:15 KelsierSC wrote:
##vote sicklucker
On February 25 2015 06:31 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:30 sicklucker wrote:
Dandred you dont find it weird how his opening is saying hes found 4 mafia to see whos listening? Then when its you who asks he thinks your mafia? It was literally a thing he did to see who was town. How can he reach the conclusion your mafia. Especially when your the easiest town read in the game atm. did I say that, wow my memory is terrible. SL felt like mafia then he made some fucking terrible post so I voted him.
He refusing to explain more atm.
4) 2nd read: Damdred feels like mafia
On February 25 2015 06:29 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:25 Damdred wrote:
Well then explain why SL and the others are scum. I'm curious on the reads and why you voted SL when your other svum two scum reads are leading wagons? feel like mafia
5) 3rd read: prob and snarf are ok but I wont explain why
On February 25 2015 07:00 KelsierSC wrote:
prob and snarf seemed ok
When asked why by Damdred he answers:
On February 25 2015 07:02 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
Why did they seem ok and everyone else? i don't have reads on everyone in the game. ??? super scummy answer
6) Then SL and me ask him why are we scum in his eyes, answer: he doesnt like my "summary" post and SL posts are shit.
7) He suddenly reads town on Node
On February 25 2015 07:18 KelsierSC wrote:
that post from node is really good
he/she is town.
For a single post:
On February 25 2015 07:12 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:26 sicklucker wrote:On February 25 2015 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
You had to post 6 times For that? Hi this is my posting style deal witth it We might deal with it by lynching you. Can we not turn this into a spamfest? Seriously, I don't have the time to deal with hundreds of pointless posts a day. And speaking of pointless posts, let's have a quick gander at what Tronak has had to say so far. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 22:21 Tronak wrote:
After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them:
1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player?
Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post.
2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given?
Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is
-Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why?
I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this.
3) Tormented throws his bomb list.
Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose.
4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment.
5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post.
If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure!
Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way.
"Here's a bunch of things that have happened so far. Some of these people might be scum, but they all feel like town." Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 03:16 Tronak wrote:On February 25 2015 02:57 Snarfs wrote:
Tronak, you left Node off your list. Your thoughts please? Actually some points: -He pointed out before me the scummy sense of your RNG voting post. Since I had same, "maybe" unexperienced, reading while i was reading your post, my first impression was to feel aligned with him, therefore should be townie to my eyes. -About voting on you so directly = since he posted that his reason was just a "grain of salt" I suspect is just a move to push you = townie again to get information about you. - Recently he pushes agressively Damdred which I can only applaud since I look forward for more information about this last one. (to my eyes this should be townie post again, or.... could be mafia move to save Tormented, in case he is mafia). "Here's what Node has done. He might be town, but he might also be mafia." Overall, I don't have a read on Tronak yet, but that's because he hasn't actually said anything. I'm willing to cut him some slack for being totally new, but if he doesn't step it up soon and get some posts that go above sounding desperate to contribute, I'm going to get a lot more suspicious. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 05:33 Snarfs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +There we go. Here's what I have written on Node: On February 25 2015 02:55 Snarfs wrote:
Once I get to work I'll probably dig through some of Node's recent games. I don't know much about his play except that he's been around for awhile. Following up a bit, I'm less convinced that Node's opener indicates he is mafia. Keep in mind these were games from ~2.5 years ago, but if he hasn't played mafia in between then there's no indication that he would have changed so it's all I've got to go on. From Death Note mafia (Node as town detective): + Show Spoiler +On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote:I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why: Show nested quote +One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that. This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited) Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing. There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum. ##vote BlackMamba24 What I read here is a very pressure-oriented tactic. It feels very similar to how he opened up against me. He focuses in on a single player and doesn't waver at all in his assertion that this player must be mafia because of a single thing they said. He also doesn't drop any town reads. From Liquid City mafia (Node as mafia goon): + Show Spoiler +On October 01 2012 17:40 Node wrote:I don't think Shady Sands is scum -- at least, not given what we've seen so far. His "trolling" antics were silly, but they weren't scummy. If he were scum, I don't think he would've dropped the trolling pretext so quickly, and I certainly don't think he would be willing to reappear and start pushing targets. Now, kush on the other hand has been talking a lot about absolutely nothing. Seeing as he considers his vote on Shady absolutely inconsequential so far ("My vote for Shady had nothing to do with a scumread of any sort"), he's sure spent an awful lot of time discussing it. Weirdly enough, he justifies his current vote by saying he doesn't have any scum reads, yet has also thrown a few FoS's around. So, we see his vote that doesn't matter (yet) on someone he doesn't care about, instead of actually pushing the rather perfunctory cases he's made so far, possibly just so he can look like he's actually contributing. So, I'll actually put my vote where my mouth is. ##vote kushm4staShow nested quote +On October 01 2012 14:30 Z-BosoN wrote:
##FoS Coagulation
Shitty one-liners and refuses to explain anything. Either very arrogant or wants to pretend he is actually contributing. Bolded for emphasis. This is pretty much exactly how Coagulation plays every game. If he's town, in a day or two he'll come up with a handful of proper scum reads to tunnel for the rest of the game, about half of which will be correct. Contrast this with Node's opener as mafia. Here he's making sure to comment on something else going on in the thread. He's dropping town reads to fit in. "Hmm Shady Sands is probably not scum. He's silly but not scummy... hmm maybe we can look at someone else and here's a decent reason why." And then he continues to comment on some other pieces of information. This right here is the kind of thing I like to see. (and not just because it concludes I'm town)
8) ##unvotes SL
9) Then says he wouldn't lynch Tronak or Tormented because we are "new".
10) Then reads scum on Eden:
On February 25 2015 08:20 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 08:08 Damdred wrote:
Look at Eden and five,me your thoughts kel I get the same impression of him, a lot of his play seems , opportunistic. His post about node was just "you called him mafia, but you did the same thing" I didn't really like that at all. I'm looking at his play this game compared to the game in Titanic. what I have noticed is that he does give a lot of early town reads in that game. Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 08:20 Town Puppy wrote:On February 15 2015 08:19 Superbia wrote:
Puppy how comfortable are you calling me town? Were you in the Imperial Game? Or whichever one you referred to. no You can be town though Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 03:17 Town Puppy wrote:ugh Also this guy is town because his filter is already longer than it was after one cycle of play in Imperial. Show nested quote +On February 15 2015 08:19 Town Puppy wrote:
I got another townread!!
ritoky is having more fun this game than Imperial (town tell) and I forget who said it but I'm parroting the tier-above thing because it's right.
Man, every town read I get takes me one step closer to accepting Our Lord and Savior, RNGesus Christ In titanic he gives a lot of easy town reads but he backs them up with reasons. When he has been going this game is giving his town list. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:33 Eden1892 wrote:
Actually I lied, I'm looking at filters instead.
Town pile:
Probulous
Artanis
sicklucker
Damdred
me
Wave?
Scum pile:
Kelsier
Null pile:
A lot of people lol But he hasn't really given reason for any of them. Just yeh they are town. So then I also look at this post of his about you. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 14:06 Eden1892 wrote:On February 24 2015 12:41 Probulous wrote:##Vote DamdredFirst up he starts real wishy-washy, sure it's early game but you are accountable for your posts. On February 24 2015 09:48 Damdred wrote:
I would so sheep you artanis, best mayor ever.
I am a relative newb expect little from me, except I rekt scum.
Also rng is out the window, we lynch scum today I've explained before why that first post is scummy. OK, early game, give the guy a break.Then out of nowhere comes this On February 24 2015 10:37 Damdred wrote:
Hts I think Eden is Scum. You didagree On February 24 2015 10:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Damdred you also were in Titanic with us. Why do you think Eden is scum? Which to me is a reasonable response from HTS. Especially since everything seems to be based on the fact that Eden is happy? Like what kind of reasoning is that? If there are other reason I'd like to hear them but Damdred never answered the question. Then instead of really pushing Eden to contribute more he just random switches to HTS. On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts OK we get a little more explanation about Eden even then its soft as shit. The sort of thing that scum thrives on.We get sweet fuck all about HTS. The guy has no case for why HTS or Eden really, are mafia but he is quite happy to spout it about the thread and when asked to explain gives no reasoning. Classic scum scare tactics. Then when someone, who I assume is reasonably experienced (Sorry if that offends you Wave), goes in a different direction, Damred straight up tech-switches again. On February 24 2015 11:48 Damdred wrote:
Cool stuff wave.
Anyway I'll give Hts some more time but its a gut read on her so far.
That's what he thinks of us For those that want to know what searing insight Wave provided for this road-to-damascus transformation (ok, that was harsh), here it is. On February 24 2015 11:44 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 24 2015 11:40 Damdred wrote:
Hts is scum btw I think.
Tormented might of made a mistake. Hts is scum rhough Might have. ##vote: damdred A vote. He gets pressured and wilts. Instead of providing some explanation as to why he thinks HTS is scum, or perhaps trying to convince the rest of us to look into Eden and HTS, he simply gives up. Much easier to stay out of the spotlight and cast some suspicion around. TLDR: Damdred starts by trying to lower expectations, calls Eden scum with little reasoning, calls HTS scum with even less and then backs off when given just a little pressure. Why would scum do this, well it provides nice cover if either of these two are up for a lynch without having to stick your neck out. this guy is town and I might sheep him on Damdred tbh. I'm a little hesitant on Damdred being mafia because it is early and he could just be latching onto whatever he feels he could find, but I'm used to being able to understand Damdred's thought process to a reasonable extent when we're town together. I don't really get where/why he finds me or HTS suspicious. HTS isn't suspicious to me much at all, and the stuff that I'm doing that is weird/possibly suspicious is just standard fare early game banter with which Damdred ought be more familiar, esp. since we've played before. So he had you as a maybe, but now you just enter his town pile. This feels like he is hedging his bets to see how the thread swings. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:31 Eden1892 wrote:
I think HTS replaced out because she's mafia, now to go read the thread for people who probably aren't mafia due to that This is shit tier. overall his play feels less confident and more snipey, rather than being out there and making his voice heard. Could lynch him easily.
11) Eden and me (sheeping Eden) push him. He dodges with elusive answers.
12) Starts his tunnel on SL
On February 25 2015 08:53 KelsierSC wrote:fuck it mind blown time is now boys. so I had SL as my scum read early because his posting was pretty fucking awful. just a feeling then he made this gem. Show nested quote +On February 25 2015 06:14 sicklucker wrote:
Snarf is town because his first post was asking about players he didnt know. This is the strongest opening because as town its also what I want to know and It was my opening to answer it.
Dandred is town because Ive played him as mafia 3 times and he just lurked. When he leads the discusion day1 hes always been town in like 9 games ive played with him as town. Ive had this read for quite awile and im glad we finally both rolled town for once so I can use it. Like this kind of "meta" read on damdred is like the most superficial garbage . Damdred can just talk to a thread it isn't beyond his intelligence. Maybe damdred is town but SL shouldn't be reading him town. So then I'm like well SL makes bad reads as both alignments, and as for his arrogance, well he is an obnoxious mo fo in general. I remember in a mafia game he said he had hf "twisted around his finger" hehe so i'm like ok maybe i'm not sure. let's step back , he's a fool. let's see what he does. Since I stepped back we get... Nothing. He doesn't give a shit about this. Just two shit tier town reads. I got him boys, join in on this
##Vote SickLucker
13) He almost insults me and Eden.
14) He votes Yamato
On February 25 2015 20:44 KelsierSC wrote:
No one read my case on SL? That sucks.
This looks good though
##unvote
##vote yamato77
You seem too anxious to prove yourself town than actually find a mafia.
Eden's case is ok too.
15) Starts pushing me to vote between Yamato & himself (since I had already said I would park Artanis case like no one was going to follow at that moment)
16) He will still vote SL or Yamato
On February 25 2015 23:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Alright. I agree his recent stuff has been good.
Id probably lynch sl or Yamato. I would lynch either of yhr two noob T's but id feel bad lynching a nooby on d1 and they could easily be town just coming across badly.
tapas can you just pick one of Yamato or me for who you would lynch right now. This is actually important to me.
17) Questions Artanis-Artanis defends-He reads town on Artanis. Spamm and single lines while calling me anti town/mafia.
18) ##unvotes and votes Damdred and Yamato and finally SL again.
19) After this he asks for consolidation votes with this trio (SL-Yamato-Himself).
20) And pushes a lot SL lynch (why he hadnt pushed any of his scumm reads at all since then?)
21) A storm of single lines posts hard to follow pushing SL, pushing me to vote Wave, questioning Tormented...
22) Then Artanis convinces him that SL may be town.
23) So Eden's case comes and new wagon starts building.
24) He reads town on Wave
25) ##votes for Snarf.
TLDR KelsierSC Day1: damm hard to follow and stupid answers to legit questions = scummy, the only 3 players he never questioned were Artanis, Wave and Prob = towny, 2 of those players are mafia, the third was lynched vs Snarf in town-town lynch fight = scummy
Gotta do many things before continuing N1 and D2.
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Continuing with KelsierSC N1&D2:
So D1 ended with this:
On February 26 2015 08:58 KelsierSC wrote:
inb4 wave and snarfs are both town and yamato,eden are mafia together
1) N1 started with Probolous mad at me for voting Wave (following Eden and him) but between that KelsierSC shoots this pearl:
On February 26 2015 09:01 KelsierSC wrote:
if we have a vigi just shoot snarfs then we can clear up d2 better.
Do not get confused by times in quotes (those are my time-zone) this happened during first minute of N1.
2) Now his lie:
This is from late D1:
On February 26 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I wasn't quoting you snarfs.
Tronak said he likes the lynch on you, agrees with artanis.
yet now he's voting wave.
Which I answered:
On February 26 2015 08:53 Tronak wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 08:45 KelsierSC wrote:
I wasn't quoting you snarfs.
Tronak said he likes the lynch on you, agrees with artanis.
yet now he's voting wave.
I never said I liked the lynch on Snarf. I have always said I find him interesting as a player to learn from (totally egoist point of view and not "find a mafia" related i got to admit), thats why i'd save him over Wave.
Now he comes with his lie again on early N1, helping Probulous's N1 push on me:
On February 26 2015 09:06 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 09:06 Tronak wrote:On February 26 2015 08:58 Probulous wrote:
Damn you Tronak.
We got scum on this wagon people. ?? dont expect me to defend my self now... its 1:00am here, I'm tired, and my child will prolly wake me up in 5hours. So now the push starts on me? Sorry you'll have to wait many hours for me to defend. nn (this is not a retreat just a see you later) you did say you liked the snarf lynch i'm pretty sure.
Which I answered when I woke up and after explaining my vote on Wave and my read on Snarfs at that moment:
On February 27 2015 00:16 Tronak wrote:
And on another thing: Kelser last night, you freely pushed me saying I had said I "liked lyching Snarfs" can you admit now either you were wrong or you were being scummy to focus more eyes on me?.
He never answered this.
3) And he continues mixing all things but never involving Artanis/Probolous mafia. With these 2 posts one after another he happens to read 4 mafias:
On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote:
why the fuck would anyone like tormented after that lynch?
snarf made some bullshit legacy post that offered nothing of interest, which he obviously didn't read properly. and that was enough to make him switch off him ?
yeh , no
On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Eden yamato team is real
On February 26 2015 09:13 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 09:11 Probulous wrote:On February 26 2015 09:08 KelsierSC wrote:
Eden yamato team is real Which makes Snarfs??? I mean Yamato was pushing for his lynch and Eden was pushing against it, which would suggest a town Snarfs to me. But you want to shoot him to clear things up for tomorrow? I don't follow it's a joke really. But If snarf is town then a Eden, yamato team could be real to me. but snarf needs to die tonight or the game is guna be over.
11 minutes later:
On February 26 2015 09:29 KelsierSC wrote:
i understand this is a newbie game so I sort of understand why d1 was such a cluster fuck of scum like I could happily lynch anyone of this lynch right now.
SL, Tronak,Eden,Tormented,Node, Shining, snarf
[red]Whoohoo he would lynch whole town team and suddenly forgets Yamato that was teaming with Eden? lolololol[/ed]
4) Keeps wanting to shoot Snarfs before going to sleep
On February 26 2015 09:52 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2015 09:51 Eden1892 wrote:On February 26 2015 09:49 KelsierSC wrote:On February 26 2015 09:47 Eden1892 wrote:
well minus artanis, but the point is the same
the fact that you want to lynch into
(a) my suspects and
(b) the people i think are town but have to admit are probably also decent to good lynches/vig kills
should really tell you something about my alignment if you're town main thing going against you is you lead a lynch on a town so you'll excuse me if I don't give you an instant town read at this point. not alignment-indicative stop being a donkey lol ok i don't really give a shit about this game until vigi shoots snarfs
5) He wakes up and reads town on me and Damdred because of our posts. Keeps suspicious about Tormented though. And doesnt want any question from SL.
6) Then considers Artanis and Yamato can be mafia
7) Then switches to Yamato-Probulus and Node can team OR Snarfs be mafia.
8) The mix of options continues
On February 27 2015 04:28 KelsierSC wrote:
I think tomorrow we can look at
Artanis, Yamato,prob, node, tormented,
On February 27 2015 04:29 KelsierSC wrote:
Also damdred if artanis is mafia then take back what I said on tormented being mafia. I doubt the new player tor would bus a veteran.
9) After copy/pasting most Yamato's filter reads him as "ok"
On February 27 2015 05:45 KelsierSC wrote:
<I deleted long post before Kelsier's conclusion>
I actually think yomato looks ok EOD actually.
10) After jumping in Probolous filter:
On February 27 2015 06:01 KelsierSC wrote:
<I deleted long post before Kelsier's conclusion>
Prob would be my top lynch tomorrow
11) D2 starts: FF replaces Node.
On February 27 2015 12:10 KelsierSC wrote:
##vote Fecalfeast
12) And he pretty much tunnels this whole D2 while calling town on Artanis.
13) Except to remember us he would lynch Tormented too:
On March 01 2015 08:21 KelsierSC wrote:
I dunno about tormented
Mafia ir bad right?
Yamato and artanis both dont like him, you don't like him. Id lynch him probably and not wide eyed over it
14) Now his 2nd lie
On March 01 2015 08:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Damdred had list of scum
Right people get lynched
Artanis is town
So node is mafia.
When I answered that he replays that Damdred was wrong with Artanis:
On March 01 2015 08:38 KelsierSC wrote:
Let me explain to you tronak one more time.
People who are right get lynched.
But damdred is wrong on artanis.
So he was probably right on node.
So node/ff is scum
And we arrive EOD of D2
TLDR KelsierSC N1&D2: scum and weird switches from one side to another always mantaining Artanis as town
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TLDR KelsierSC N2:
5 minutes before Artanys is lynched:
On March 01 2015 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Do what you want
Done with this game.
N2 then he said: I suck and that he should look on Prob and SL again and maybe on Yamato without many explanations.
Then he focuses on his maths, wrong as Eden pointed to him, then correct.
To conclude he says before being banned: "so if we shoot wrong we lose a lynch right.
so in that case vigi shouldn't shoot unless he is pretty sure he hits scum"
So Vigi shouldnt shoot on N2 but he should have shot on N1 to Snarfs. He was prolly right but is just weird. Snarfs is shot 5mins later.
TLDR whole KelsierSC: he never really pointed to mafia lynched or made a correct case, if he was town we should look to SL otherwise I believe he really didn't drop anything very usefull.
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TLDR Onegu: 6 posts during whole D3: suggest a why not vote shining? votes Prob though. I'll be happy to read his case on Shining.
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Well I'm exhausted at the moment Kel's filter + work stuff + my son care -Artanis flu arrived to him  - completely absorbed my time and I am not feeling like jumping in SL and Shinings filters today. Hope my inputs helped, I'll be around 5 more hours before my sleep+business trip and I'm looking forward to read others cases when I'm back.
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Good morning! In before my child wakes up and shining throws him self in the rope.
First:
##vote Onegu
Second:
On March 06 2015 10:33 The Shining wrote:
Yep I am. Cuz if you flip town, town is screwed, and I'm the only one seeing that possibility. Deja vu.
Ggs.
We gonna have a big problem if Onegu flips town, I can see that too. In that case, I am going to look at SL (because I have never looked at him deep yet and because Eden asked us to do that), and you Shining (you push me and the are cases opened on you), and reconsider FF (FF lied us 3 times -unintentionally he claims and I at this moment believe). You should know that already.
Last:
If you need explanations of why I voted FF you should look in my filter or re-read thread pages 89, 92, 93 (I still remember those).
Gotta leave for a while now.
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On March 05 2015 12:07 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 09:19 sicklucker wrote:
Also by poe I only like see two people it can be and this is by far the better case. Just concede? Who is the other? Better be shining
Interested in this question too, who is the other red for you sicklucker?
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On March 06 2015 08:35 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2015 19:26 Onegu wrote:
And don't worry you will get the case before EOD I promise. Other than that I don't have any reads for you other than Yamato obv town. And tormented uber townie also. You mean our Cop is uber townie? Wtf, why would you bother reading an unCCd blue role? Or did you miss that and that's why you killed Eden instead of Tormented?
Since I was not here and couldnt do it before... a critical reflection about night shot on Eden.
Assuming these 2 things:
- Tormented is Cop as he claimed. I got not a single reason reason to not believe him by the way...
- Godfather is alive so Cop is useless.
My thoughts and what Godfather should have in his head too:
1) Tormented was not better target than a clear town any vanilla townie. It was clearly better target though than Veteran (shot wasted).
2) Eden feared death the night before and last night, so he shouldn't be Veteran.
So 2 options:
a) Mafia knows there is a Veteran. But since Eden is fearing death it shouldn't be him.
b) Mafia knows there is a Doctor. However town is assuming Tormented gonna be shot so if doctor exists he may be protecting Tormented. (b) is less probable than a) since no one doctor dodged yet and Damdred+Snarfs+Eden were all good townies to protect)
Conclusions:
-Eden was a better target than Tormented for mafia. We lost an experienced player seen by all as town (as happened with Damdred and Snarfs), however mafia closed the possibility of Eden Godfather that Tormented had opened and me was considering as a remote but plausible option.
-Now Eden was pointing at Onegu and SL (and pointed to Yamato before going for Prob the day before). May be wifom in here?
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On March 06 2015 18:51 Onegu wrote:
Big post that says very little. What I do want to point out is how many times they call themselves newbie, or just out of newbies. Newer scum do this all the time, they are paranoid someone will pick up on their play being scummy they say I'm new, I just out of newbies to cover their tracks. Shining does this all the time.
Why do you say "they?" why you talk in plural if you got only 1 suspect and is shining?
My noob line of thinking, this part of your case looks as written by a newbie scum tbh. Is as weak as me saying in my first game ever played that all replacements are scum when they say things like:
On February 25 2015 05:27 KelsierSC wrote:
I don't really care what HTS did or w/e. you should just make your reads on me when I start doing stuff.
On March 05 2015 12:16 Onegu wrote:
Also I won't be responding to the case as it wasn't me playing at the time.
Oh, I look like a noob, cause I'm a noob. But tbh, my noob case is stronger than yours on shining.
First:
On March 02 2015 09:14 Onegu wrote:
Here I am I am unfortunately not scum. So can one of the vets tell me who is scum? Thanks. Will read some filters later as long as they aren't 20 pages long. But mostly I will be making gut reads as they work the best for me.
So why didnt you care at all about newbies opinion? wouldnt this make us feel weaker while playing and needing to justify our possible bad reads reminding you we are noob? That opening is, very scummy.
Second: is your case on Shining a gut read or did you actually read some other players filters? I am not trying to defend Shining, just trying to think what made you base your defense on a newbie's case...
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On March 07 2015 07:23 Onegu wrote:
Also your case may have good points but I didn't read it, but I am town. This is wisdom as Hell but you can look in my past games if I was scum in this position I would concede.
Can you please bring us some quotes or examples to prove that?
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On March 07 2015 07:33 Onegu wrote:
I expect.to get lynched and I don't mind and I expect Yamato to be the NK.
So FF I expect you to read my shining case know I am terrible at writing cases but my reads are normally strong. Trust Yamato also when he thinks about the game he figures things out. SL come on now who is the other scum read of yours when I flip town.
Well again, you only will trust in the veterans FF and Yamato...
Now take a look to my position:
-FF says "I dont know what to think about this case" (or something similar)
-Yamato says "nothing", even after FF questioned him about it, and just switches his vote and calls for a vote switch without for instance saying I agree with whole case, I agree with this quote, or whatever points he thinks are good for the switch.
So you dont trust in newbies following your case, and the veteran sheeping you (yamato) and the one refusing to follow you (FF) doesn't give us a detailed explanation of why they arrived to take those decisions, meanwhile SL complains about the low activity while ignores to give his second scum read. I put all that toguether in my brain and none of those makes me change my mind about you or shining (HTS could be scum, Kelser was scum to me, and you may be scum, shining keeps being scummy to me).
And, again, why did you defend using Shining for your case? Did you actually read other players' filters or it was a gut read?
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Again the lynch Tronak thinguie as Prob tried? ...
I at least put inputs behind my reasonings... and answer to anybodys questions.
Now we got Onegus hardly answering questions... SL ignoring everyone, Shining making no-case on me, god! 48h ago I had FF as my best scum read but at least he "plays".
Knowing shining gonna be on me, I would rather vote him tbh...
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On March 07 2015 08:21 _Tormented_ wrote:
If Onegu Conglomeration turns up town. Tomorrow it should be between Shining and Tronak.
Btw it was you asking for a Conglomeration. I made best case I could.
Shining what do you think of Onegus case on you?
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On March 07 2015 08:43 The Shining wrote:Tronak case. D1 opening: Really odd. Introduces himself as a newbie which is okay but then offers up an agreement to scumProb's stance on RNG lynch. Normally, its okay to be against an RNG lynch but as he says himself, that debate was over. So all he is doing is echoing thread sentiment and parroting scumProbulous. Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 19:32 Tronak wrote:Hi all On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote:On February 24 2015 09:11 Probulous wrote:On February 24 2015 09:03 Snarfs wrote:
So, not recognizing the following names:
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5) Tronak
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I'm curious who the new new players are and how much experience each of the listed people has. Should help me get an idea of what to expect as far as town/mafia capabilities are concerned. Check the Office Mini Mafia, some those guys (Sicklucker, Eden1892) were in that game (still ongoing). PM game but is recent. Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole. Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch? You answered your self, I’m the newest newbie. Since its impossible for me to recognize ANY of the names I would have expected you would introduce yourself before asking about the new. Your opening contributed to light up the game since it was followed by almost everyone, however I found very few real usefull information in presentations, so I leave it here, presentations are finished now I guess. On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. Completly agree, but looks I am late again and this debate is over too. There are some interesting reads going on already, I keep reading posts and try to catch up to help with my thoughts. Then he follows with a kind of list/summary post that scum usually like to hide behind. Pressure Snarfs for being a vet and suggesting RNG. Lightly pressures scumArtanis for his opening but wants to hear more from him. Fees that scumProbulous "won the mini battle" against townDamdred. And everyone not mentioned in this post is town, which is odd because later in his filter I'm null and I don't think SL had posted by this point either. There at least 1-2 scum on this list, according to Tronak, the newbie. Probulous and Artanis are in this list. This could be a very early way to set yourself up if bussing is necessary later in the game. Especially as Godfather, since you won't be a red check. However, even listing these 2 early as possible scum, he waffles over the Artanis vote on and off and stays off the Probulous vote for FF. There is a lot more to this case but I figured getting something out before EoD might help town, in case votes swung my way while I posted this.
Good you arrived to my filter's page number1, why didnt you brought that up during D1 or D2?
My summary post was throwing out all my thinkings about the game. I thought i was helping tbh. It helped me to push and save Snarfs after his answers which on the later proved to be much more usefull than Wave was. It helped me to identify scum on Artanis and push him during N1 to the point of knowing he was mafia. It helped me push Yamato and get opinions from him and about him.
As I said I voted FF "for the record" since I was convinced he could be mafia, Prob was clearly scummy as I already explained too.
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On March 07 2015 08:53 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 08:29 Tronak wrote:On March 07 2015 08:21 _Tormented_ wrote:
If Onegu Conglomeration turns up town. Tomorrow it should be between Shining and Tronak. Btw it was you asking for a Conglomeration. I made best case I could. Shining what do you think of Onegus case on you? Wasn't planning on defending it unless I was leading in votes. I'm more concerned with Tronak than saving myself.
If you are town you should defend if you want to win.
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On March 07 2015 08:57 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2015 08:26 Tronak wrote:
Again the lynch Tronak thinguie as Prob tried? ...
I at least put inputs behind my reasonings... and answer to anybodys questions.
Now we got Onegus hardly answering questions... SL ignoring everyone, Shining making no-case on me, god! 48h ago I had FF as my best scum read but at least he "plays".
Knowing shining gonna be on me, I would rather vote him tbh... This post is pretty scummy. Not voting me because he believes the Onegu case(which he's attacking while saying I'm scummy?) But instead would vote me because I'm on him. Paranoid?
Read my filter tbh. My main targets been for last days Kelser>SL=shining>FF. I havent got game solving.
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gg Onegu, sorry for bringing you here. Someone is very happy now, not me.
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My time to sleep, read you guys tomorrow.
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On March 07 2015 18:48 sicklucker wrote:
Urg ill step it up now. I was in a final 3, then in a cell duel. And no ones really talking here
Please step up.
I am here (day time and sunny day in Mallorca-Spain), so in case you wanna talk I'm willing to. I was reading your filter earlier this morning, I haven't finished it yet. I couldn't find any scum hidden message in your filter's first 2 pages. I think your vote sequence fits in scum team though, so my plan for today is finishing your filter, and also try to understand why Eden read scum on you.
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I just read the remaining pages of SL's filter. I cant find anything to make me read scum on him based on what he has written.
SL vote sequence & explanations:
D1) Kelser
On February 25 2015 06:15 sicklucker wrote:
And ksc is scummy for wanting to lynch two towns. (One that didnt do anything..) And two newbs
On February 25 2015 06:18 sicklucker wrote:##vote KelsierSC
N1)
On February 26 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote:
I would have voted WaveofShadow if your interested. Snarfs is town that was def town vs town
D2) Artanis (entering 4th in the wagon, if he was mafia he had chance to switch into FF's wagon though-Artanis being really in Flu and SL Wifoming us or a preplanned bussing would be the only explanations to me)
On February 26 2015 03:45 sicklucker wrote:
Artanis is a really good mafia he single handly won his team the game by pocketing the two of us. If hes not nked ill be pretty suspicious but as of now I didnt see anything.
On February 27 2015 11:07 sicklucker wrote:
I looked at the stats the other day? Does artanis really never get mislynched? That like greatly increases the chances hes mafia here ##vote artanis[xp]
I remember seeing on the stats page he was something like 0% mislynch percentage
On February 27 2015 16:13 sicklucker wrote:
Here are my reads.
Town - Eden, Ksc, Snarf, The shining, Probulous
Mafia - Yamato, artanis
His explanations before Artanis' lynch may fit with a bussing I guess and can be towny too.
D3) Probolous (enters 6th in the wagon pretty much when all had been decided already)
On March 03 2015 16:04 sicklucker wrote:
Ah well hes got the shittest voting record and hes not even playing so ##vote Probulous
D4) HtS/KSC/Onegu (enters 2nd in the wagon and very fast)
On March 05 2015 09:18 sicklucker wrote:
Ya like I was always suspicious of ksc. He was mad and replaced in all games he was playing so I dont think that means he was town. And its a great case by are cop.
##vote onegu
Question for SL: Why did you say a "great case by are cop"?
So there are only 2 reasons for me to believe SL may be mafia: vote sequence and the fact that he did not bring a single case on anybody yet just some soft pushes on ksc and Yamato. However he provided some town reads.
2nd question for SL were you roleblocked in N1 or that was just part of your soft blue role claim?
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