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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:02 Snarfs wrote: You have my sword, Yamato. Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days? willing to give the lurkers time wave, what do you think about what I posted? | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:12 Snarfs wrote: He said he was going to bed. If he was mafia, there wasn't any reason for Damdred to check back 20 minutes after he said that, no one was suspicious of him. What the fuck? Only Prob's monster post, but no, nobody was suspicious lol | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:10 yamato77 wrote: willing to give the lurkers time wave, what do you think about what I posted? Fair enough. I know it's changing the subject a bit, but what do you think of artanis? Just going through filters. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: What the fuck? Only Prob's monster post, but no, nobody was suspicious lol That was after. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 24 2015 12:04 WaveofShadow wrote: This one is curious. It's typical new player fare. He's pretty agreeable and gives the public exactly what they want---this works from both mafia and town perspectives for obvs reasons. I'm historically awful at reading new players and this is no exception tbh. Now I think there's maybe something to it, but a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
That was after what? He said he was going to bed, presumably left, Probs posted a case, Damdred came back to talk about it. I'm not following why either mafia or town doesn't come back just to check for stuff. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Am I included it those who 'liked the fact that he asked some questions?' Because I don't think I said anything of the sort. I believe my words were: Now I think there's maybe something to it, but a) all you're doing is basically taking the 'he must be mafia' side of the inconspicuous newbie argument b) I'm not sure why you think it has more merit than Prob's point that I've latched onto. I don't really see a towny mindset behind Damdred's retraction. I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way. Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 24 2015 12:52 WaveofShadow wrote: There is nothing in between these two posts to warrant him backing off. Posturing of the worst and most obvious kind and I'm kinda sad I didn't pick up on it. also ehhhhhhhhh | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:18 WaveofShadow wrote: That was after what? He said he was going to bed, presumably left, Probs posted a case, Damdred came back to talk about it. I'm not following why either mafia or town doesn't come back just to check for stuff. Ah okay. My reasoning that it was more likely town to come back and check than mafia is that mafia like excuses to not put their reads in the thread. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Secondly, tormented came here from where I played previously the acclemation even to a newb game is difficult our day ones were generally filled with wayward voting and lack of any information so I'm trying to give him some time to find the pacing and develop things outside the first few hours. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:20 yamato77 wrote: I thought you were describing him as a curious person, not saying that he perplexes you in some way. Anyway, I didn't say he had to be mafia, I'm just saying that it is textbook earlygame mafia play. He's not a complete noob, either. And such is often the problem I have with newer players (doesn't have to be a complete noob for this to apply). Textbook mafia play often also looks like textbook 'I'm not sure what else to do here' noob play. I'm far less convinced by this than I am with Damdred's play right now. Damdred is far better than he has played thus far, and his excuses are a little weak. What exactly do you find to be 'ehhhhhhhhhh?' | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:23 Snarfs wrote: Ah okay. My reasoning that it was more likely town to come back and check than mafia is that mafia like excuses to not put their reads in the thread. Mafia also don't necessarily like seeing their names up in lights and perhaps would sleep better if they could quash suspicion rather than letting a case blow up overnight. Damdred certainly does appear to put great faith in cases in general, not that I find the aforementioned particularly alignment-indicative. On February 24 2015 15:24 Damdred wrote: Honestly I'm not sure why you keep saying its a retraction when I was getting no real pressure over my Hts read nor did I say I'm not scum reading them when in fact I said. I'd rather Hts so more stuff basically, my case is pretty weak admittidly at this point but in no way have I retracted a scum read. So stop misrepresenting what I did wave. Secondly, tormented came here from where I played previously the acclemation even to a newb game is difficult our day ones were generally filled with wayward voting and lack of any information so I'm trying to give him some time to find the pacing and develop things outside the first few hours. Damdred, whether you like it or not, it's a retraction. Mafia story: You throw a whole bunch of shit, it doesn't stick, you realize your persistence in hts being scum doesn't look particularly good (note: people don't have to point this out for you to realize this---if other people realized it after, you very easily could have pre-emptively), your moderate yourself a little bit and decide to 'give hts a chance' out of nowhere. Town story: .....??? I don't see what exactly makes you completely switch gears like that unprovoked without something pinging in your head and making you go 'oh shit maybe I'd better not' which isn't a towny thing to think. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
There are always two sides of giving someone a chance they give you more evidence to help secure a lynch, or they come in and proove they are town. HTS is a very capable town player, sometimes she gets tricked but still a good player. Very capable of looking town with original thoughts. So why can't their be town motivation in making sure I don't get tunneled on something hours into a game when Hts hasn't even broken a page quite yet, bit has said some questionable things. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote: Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole. Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch? This was really early in the game, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'd like to point out that this is actually really scummy. Beyond an RNG lynch being an awful idea for reasons already stated, there's also bit of a deflection here -- Snarfs isn't going to propose a lynch, "someone" is. Nevermind that he's the first one to actually bring it up. Snarfs also just posted a wall of text without actually saying much of anything. Yeah, there are some reads in there, but considering there are a couple of people that he'd lynch "pretty happily", there's nothing concrete. Just some feels without conclusions and a distinct lack of an actual case or vote. Based on that, I'm going to park at ##Vote: Snarfs for now. | ||
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Node
United States2159 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:53 Damdred wrote: I never threw any shit honestly I think Hts is scum, Eden is potential scum based off of meta at this point. There are always two sides of giving someone a chance they give you more evidence to help secure a lynch, or they come in and proove they are town. HTS is a very capable town player, sometimes she gets tricked but still a good player. Very capable of looking town with original thoughts. So why can't their be town motivation in making sure I don't get tunneled on something hours into a game when Hts hasn't even broken a page quite yet, bit has said some questionable things. I have no issues with people backing off a read, but you can't keep saying you think people are "potential scum" or have said "questionable things" without actually putting some substance behind it. Make a case! Scum doesn't care about a few people maybe being iffy about them, they care about hard cases that put them in the spotlight. | ||
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Tronak
Spain217 Posts
On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote: Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole. Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch? You answered your self, I’m the newest newbie. Since its impossible for me to recognize ANY of the names I would have expected you would introduce yourself before asking about the new. Your opening contributed to light up the game since it was followed by almost everyone, however I found very few real usefull information in presentations, so I leave it here, presentations are finished now I guess. On February 24 2015 09:31 Probulous wrote:As for random lynch, over my dead body. We are statistically more likely to get town and more importantly it provides cover for scum to avoid scumhunting in Day 1. No point in wasting a whole day waiting for a lynch that gives us no information. Completly agree, but looks I am late again and this debate is over too. There are some interesting reads going on already, I keep reading posts and try to catch up to help with my thoughts. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
_Tormented_ He starts out with a lot of posts not giving out any reads, so I ask him if he has any reads yet. He gives a very paranoid answer, something pretty typical for newbie town. On February 24 2015 11:03 _Tormented_ wrote: @Artanis, I am still working out people's play styles. For instance, I could say you try very hard to come off as town and increase activity in order to draw suspicion away from yourself or that could just be the way you are normally. Still forming my opinions honestly. He calls me possibly town, but maybe tryhard mafia. No real reasoning other than just pure paranoia. Initial town lean, but I wanted some more info, so I asked him if he couldn't give any reads anyhow. On February 24 2015 11:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Town and mafia explanations are possible for almost all actions. The question is: Which is more likely? Paranoia is fine and all but in the end you're going to have to make commitments with incomplete information. You don't have to give me 100% reads, just tell me where your head is now. What I was expecting here were a bunch of weak town reads, maybe a mafia lean here or there but nothing strong. Instead, this is what I get: On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote: lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will. Player List 1) Probulous (filter) - town 2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia 3) Half the Sky (filter) - town 4) sicklucker (filter) - town 5) Tronak (filter) - no clue 6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia 7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town 8) Node (filter) - no clue 9) The Shining (filter) - no clue 10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason 11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue 12) Damdred (filter) - town 13) snarfs (filter) - no clue Now what's interesting about this is that the only one he's actively paranoid of that has posted is the two people he's already commented on. The rest, apparently he's pretty happy calling town or mafia. It's this change in mindset that doesn't make any sense, especially taken into consideration he wasn't willing to commit on a read on me and Eden. For him to be town, his thought process would have to be: "I don't know anyone's playstyle so I don't trust anyone, except these 5 people I townread without an explanation whilst still leaving a question mark on the two people I already talked about." A mafia thought process is much simpler. First, when questioned on his reads, he stalls for time by saying he doesn't know people's styles yet. Then, when pressured to still give reads he tries to keep his story straight by being paranoid on the two people he's already commented on, but forgets to keep that same paranoia for the rest of the field. I feel his paranoia is feigned and I want to lynch him. ##Vote _Tormented_ | ||
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