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Damdred
15669 Posts
On February 24 2015 11:14 Damdred wrote: How is Eden having fun exactly Hts? Why do you say that? Also I wasn't in that game at that point. I'm glad I checked back in obviously still on phone so have to break it up. Obviously I did answer Hts question about Eden, that I wasn't in the game at the point of Eden being alive as I replaced in after he died. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
I don't need to interact with someone to decide if they are scum or not. They just need to talk in the thread and I read filters and make cases I don't drop cases this early in the game just give gut or feel reads. Backing off of Hts is meh but she's not here. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
though pr is most interesting person in the thread | ||
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WaveofShadow
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
who ya got | ||
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Damdred
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On February 24 2015 12:54 Damdred wrote: I'm glad I checked back in obviously still on phone so have to break it up. Obviously I did answer Hts question about Eden, that I wasn't in the game at the point of Eden being alive as I replaced in after he died. But you didn't explain what your case was against Eden. All I can find is you thinking that the random-lynch thing was a town distraction. I get it you have some sort of super-secret-scum-radar but the rest of us don't and we need to be convinced. This On February 24 2015 12:58 Damdred wrote: I don't need to interact with someone to decide if they are scum or not. They just need to talk in the thread and I read filters and make cases I don't drop cases this early in the game just give gut or feel reads. Backing off of Hts is meh but she's not here. is not good enough. How exactly are we supposed to learn anything about you, if your way of playing is to just cast out your suspicions and then waltz off into the distance when someone asks you about them. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
But all we have here is that this Eden isn't spamming or trying to make plays like in horn of Africa mafia. Or that Hts calls Eden town but doesn't disagree with me that Eden is scum but still calls him town? Give me time to develop and figure things out instead of trying to get me to tip my hand. Peope don't have to talk to me but its still fun and I'm usually here talking anyway | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 24 2015 13:13 Damdred wrote: Actually don't have any secrets just don't have enough information to release a solid case, premature cases are interesting but most of the time get ignored even if they were decent at the time. You realize just because you dropped a solid case once doesn't mean you need to do it every time, nor does it mean you'll come up with an effective (read: convincing, not right) case every time. For example I was more convinced by Probsably's last point than anything he wrote before it, despite how much effort he did or didn't put in. You said you're 'scumming' someone based off of things people have said. I'm assuming that means you have an unrevealed scumread, unless you'd care to correct me. Then you go ahead and completely retract it. I'm thinking you need to come clean one way or the other and just say exactly what it is you mean because right now I have no idea wtf you are doing and I don't think that's a good thing. Also what makes Proobs the most interesting man in the world? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Nor do I have a secret third scum read that I have in my back pocket. Before eod I'll see who I think is the best and try to get the person I want dead. Your right I don't have to bbut I find scum the way I want to which is dropping cases. Alzo he's doing the most work and is being interesting pitting himself out there | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On February 24 2015 12:38 WaveofShadow wrote: Why haven't you watched my stream and helped me draft? my help would make you worse. fact | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On February 24 2015 12:41 Probulous wrote: ##Vote Damdred First up he starts real wishy-washy, sure it's early game but you are accountable for your posts. I've explained before why that first post is scummy. OK, early game, give the guy a break.Then out of nowhere comes this Which to me is a reasonable response from HTS. Especially since everything seems to be based on the fact that Eden is happy? Like what kind of reasoning is that? If there are other reason I'd like to hear them but Damdred never answered the question. Then instead of really pushing Eden to contribute more he just random switches to HTS. OK we get a little more explanation about Eden even then its soft as shit. The sort of thing that scum thrives on.We get sweet fuck all about HTS. The guy has no case for why HTS or Eden really, are mafia but he is quite happy to spout it about the thread and when asked to explain gives no reasoning. Classic scum scare tactics. Then when someone, who I assume is reasonably experienced (Sorry if that offends you Wave), goes in a different direction, Damred straight up tech-switches again. For those that want to know what searing insight Wave provided for this road-to-damascus transformation (ok, that was harsh), here it is. A vote. He gets pressured and wilts. Instead of providing some explanation as to why he thinks HTS is scum, or perhaps trying to convince the rest of us to look into Eden and HTS, he simply gives up. Much easier to stay out of the spotlight and cast some suspicion around. TLDR: Damdred starts by trying to lower expectations, calls Eden scum with little reasoning, calls HTS scum with even less and then backs off when given just a little pressure. Why would scum do this, well it provides nice cover if either of these two are up for a lynch without having to stick your neck out. this guy is town and I might sheep him on Damdred tbh. I'm a little hesitant on Damdred being mafia because it is early and he could just be latching onto whatever he feels he could find, but I'm used to being able to understand Damdred's thought process to a reasonable extent when we're town together. I don't really get where/why he finds me or HTS suspicious. HTS isn't suspicious to me much at all, and the stuff that I'm doing that is weird/possibly suspicious is just standard fare early game banter with which Damdred ought be more familiar, esp. since we've played before. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
On February 24 2015 13:36 Damdred wrote: I didn't retract anything nor was I under pressure to back off of Hts. I backed off to see what Hts did later on in the thread, I stated who I had a scum read on to get reactions, such as Hts reaction towards Eden scum read. Nor do I have a secret third scum read that I have in my back pocket. Before eod I'll see who I think is the best and try to get the person I want dead. Your right I don't have to bbut I find scum the way I want to which is dropping cases. Alzo he's doing the most work and is being interesting pitting himself out there I still don't get why you thought either of us was suspicious in the first place though ??? Everything you said here follows from that first premise pretty sensibly, but you haven't done anything to show me where you're coming from on that premise | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
You are missing some of your carefree jumping everywhere and trying to make a play. Its not enough for a vote and its more of a gut meta read which is early indeed. | ||
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Eden1892
United States5866 Posts
like I wanted to go claim vet but I figured the actual vet coming out with a cc would be godawful. vig etc is self-explanatory format just isn't conducive to makin plays :/ not sure what you expected me to jump around for though since there hasn't been a lot to notice yet and... why hts again? still not seeing anything on her in your posts tbh | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
HTS followed imperial pretty intensely at points shadowing myself Artanis, Marv etc., the first thing that made me a bit meh was the town read that hts put on Artanis and then said that she could not recall imperial. While its understandable that with such a big game some things would be forgotten, however art is doing some of the same things here and tone reads him as town. A really odd post for me. Secondly the read on you Eden, I said I scum read you and did she disagree. She said no she didn't but still town read you for things you have done as scum. It was a odd post that gave me the shivers. Its on the weak side as HTS hasn't really been in the thread or as insightful as usual but its what it is. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
Only two people have actually commented on his alignment to any degree, and both of them like the fact that he asked some questions. Mkay. Sure. However, when one looks at his filter it just seems like someone who simply wants to blend in. Many of his early game posts are completely fluff and serve no purpose. He spends time talking about: RNG On February 24 2015 09:40 _Tormented_ wrote: Probulous is right, no sense wasting what will almost definitely be a town lynch. Most day 1s I have been a part of provide some information, but I imagine on a forum like this one the information will either be much greater or much more hidden. On February 24 2015 10:13 _Tormented_ wrote: I would argue that there is a higher chance of lynching town if it is NOT random, but then you would lose out on any information. The theory behind this is that the mafia know each other and the town do not (on average). This leads to mafia not only have a numbers advantage in that there is a higher chance that town get lynched, but they will also work together to absolutely make sure one of their own do not die day one. Granted I am sure they screw up from time to time and do get lynched day 1, but to say that there is a higher chance of lynching town at random, I believe that to be false. On February 24 2015 10:19 _Tormented_ wrote: lol, well my post is wrong...at least in non newbie games on here. Sarcasm On February 24 2015 10:10 _Tormented_ wrote: hmm yeah you were probably missing something critical for your success. And he asks this stupid question: On February 24 2015 10:40 _Tormented_ wrote: @yamato what makes you support Artanis for mayor? Especially without hearing anyone else even lobby for it yet. Which probulous gives him credit for. eeeehhhhh Other posts are also just "general information" sort of posts that have little to do with the game. His only "reads" post is this gem: On February 24 2015 11:13 _Tormented_ wrote: lol fine, here ya go before I have to leave work. Take it for what you will. Player List 1) Probulous (filter) - town 2) Artanis[Xp] (filter) - town or overly aggressive mafia 3) Half the Sky (filter) - town 4) sicklucker (filter) - town 5) Tronak (filter) - no clue 6) Yamato77 (filter) - mafia 7) _Tormented_ (filter) - town 8) Node (filter) - no clue 9) The Shining (filter) - no clue 10) Eden1892 (filter) - either mafia or he is just being obtuse for no reason 11) WaveofShadow (filter) - no clue 12) Damdred (filter) - town 13) snarfs (filter) - no clue It's believable enough that he "accidentally" called sicklucker town but it's also possible he simply outed himself. Either way, these reads are weak and also evident of thread sentiment. Artanis and I are the only people with fingers pointed at us in the thread, and his reads reflect that rather perfectly. On February 24 2015 11:22 _Tormented_ wrote: Not to mention he completely avoids giving any reason for it In response to me voting him after that post, he says this. Ironic, given that he's given exactly 0 reasons for any of his reads. In the mean time, I'll simply assume they are fabricated and designed to be inconspicuous, like my impression of them would assert. Notably, he thinks I'm mafia and that I'm OMGUSing him but yet I'm the one who voted him and he has yet to place his. It's not an amazing read, but it's more interesting to me than anything else that has happened thus far. I have yet to read Probulous' case on Damdred but in general I tend to listen to my own reads day 1 more than I trust other people's cases. My initial impression of damdred is that he is playing somewhat different from how I remember but that doesn't mean much with my absence from the game. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
In regards to Tormented, I think he's more likely mafia than some others who have been posting. His posts don't show any real drive to find mafia. I would really like more from Damdred on Tormented this game as they've played together in the past. Same goes for The Shining. Who now that I mention looks pretty terrible having shown up at the beginning of the game and just disappeared when no one acknowledged him. I would lynch The Shining pretty happily for that. sicklucker has put in a poor performance so far as well, really don't like people showing up with a few comments then disappearing without commenting on the game at all, gets my radar going, he's up there with Shining. Also, HtS... Hmm not sure. She's at least putting thoughts on who is mafia in the thread with some of her reasoning. Seemingly unprovoked as well (top of page 10 link). I do see what Damdred is saying about what I like to call "wishy washy" reads. They lack substance. Probulous, the difficulty I have with your case is that we haven't had enough time to see whether Damdred's follow up on HtS exists or not. I think it's great that your pointing out his viewpoints and it's something we need to keep aware of but I can't tell from those posts whether he has dropped his read on HtS or Eden. But I think he's been towny as mentioned above. I look forward to seeing if his comments are as insightful as he claims they will be. | ||
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Snarfs
Canada1006 Posts
Thoughts on the Shining and sicklucker's entrance so far? Is this something town does these days? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On February 24 2015 15:00 Snarfs wrote: I was suspicious of Damdred for not really commenting on Tormented's filter. However, he said he was going to leave about two hours ago now to go to bed. Then stayed. Seems pretty towny to me. I added some more on Damdred at the bottom of this post as I was going through filters. In regards to Tormented, I think he's more likely mafia than some others who have been posting. His posts don't show any real drive to find mafia. I would really like more from Damdred on Tormented this game as they've played together in the past. Same goes for The Shining. Who now that I mention looks pretty terrible having shown up at the beginning of the game and just disappeared when no one acknowledged him. I would lynch The Shining pretty happily for that. sicklucker has put in a poor performance so far as well, really don't like people showing up with a few comments then disappearing without commenting on the game at all, gets my radar going, he's up there with Shining. Also, HtS... Hmm not sure. She's at least putting thoughts on who is mafia in the thread with some of her reasoning. Seemingly unprovoked as well (top of page 10 link). I do see what Damdred is saying about what I like to call "wishy washy" reads. They lack substance. Probulous, the difficulty I have with your case is that we haven't had enough time to see whether Damdred's follow up on HtS exists or not. I think it's great that your pointing out his viewpoints and it's something we need to keep aware of but I can't tell from those posts whether he has dropped his read on HtS or Eden. But I think he's been towny as mentioned above. I look forward to seeing if his comments are as insightful as he claims they will be. Not following the bolded. | ||
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