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Spain217 Posts
After re-reading all, Going to throw some open questions and my thinkings about them:
1) Snarfs, why would you suggest a RNG voting being town and a veteran player?
Either was a simple way to make fellow townies show up them selves or in my newbie opinion should be read as a scummy post.
2) Artanis' opening: why would you introduce Mayors voting if game setup is given?
Opening joke? Mayor is usually a starting point and you didnt read game setup? This follows another game? If not, I would read your post as mafia. If yes, is
-Yamato quickly (1min later) votes for lyching Artanis . And Mayor joke appears again. Why?
I can only read 2 mafias trying to create confusion, but I would be happy to hear what you both think about this.
3) Tormented throws his bomb list.
Want to think, Tormented thought similar to me (above) and when pressured by Artanis to give his reads made a quick list pointing out both names (Artanis and Yamato). Would mafia do this? I dont think so, it was too early from my point of view, too much to lose.
4) Probulous accuses Damdred: I like Probolous' read and arguments given against Damdred so much that when I first read his post all my senses were focused on analysing Damdred's following posts. Up to this point, I think Probolous wins the mini batle and Damdred will need to give futher arguments to convince me about his alignment.
5) Yamato appears again to switch completly thread's focus and focus on Tormented again giving good arguments based on filtered history. Snarfs looks like aproving this switch very fast and Artanis pushes this line further in his last post.
If Yamato/Snarf or Artanis were mafia, would they like to lynch a "tormented" townie and use this line to save a suspected Damdred? Sure!
Conclusion: despite all guides about Mafia I have read suggest scum wouldn't be so active in the first hours of the game, from my point of view so far, all makes me think that at least 1 or 2 scums must be between the list of names mentioned in this post (with no exceptions). However I can't arrive to single point any of them and the innocents should also be very valuable for the town. I see the names not mentioned in this post as townies so far. So, I hope your answers for my wall of text clear my way.
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Spain217 Posts
"If yes, is..."
Sorry, just realized i didnt end this sentence, so just forget it. Third's comments will prolly add more that I would have done.
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Day 1: Current Vote Count
Damdred(2): WaveofShadow, Probulous
_Tormented_(2): Yamato77, Artanis[Xp]
Node (1): Eden1892
snarfs(1): Node
Artanis[Xp] (0): Yamato77
WaveofShadow (0) Probulous
Not Voting (7): Half the Sky, sicklucker, Tronak, _Tormented_, The Shining, Damdred, snarfs
Currently, Damdred is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 00:00 GMT (+00:00).
It's helpful to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.
Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.
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Artanis, you asked for a read and I have a quick list on what I was currently feeling. I want about to sit there and give percentages on every person while I was late leaving from work. I know I am town, therefore I obviously have serious questionmarks about you and yamato.
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On February 24 2015 17:48 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 15:53 Damdred wrote:
I never threw any shit honestly I think Hts is scum, Eden is potential scum based off of meta at this point.
There are always two sides of giving someone a chance they give you more evidence to help secure a lynch, or they come in and proove they are town.
HTS is a very capable town player, sometimes she gets tricked but still a good player. Very capable of looking town with original thoughts.
So why can't their be town motivation in making sure I don't get tunneled on something hours into a game when Hts hasn't even broken a page quite yet, bit has said some questionable things. I have no issues with people backing off a read, but you can't keep saying you think people are "potential scum" or have said "questionable things" without actually putting some substance behind it. Make a case! Scum doesn't care about a few people maybe being iffy about them, they care about hard cases that put them in the spotlight.
you seemingly haven't read the whole thread or only skimmed as I answered why I think both are scummy. This is interesting post
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Tormented stop defending yourself for a moment and trying to explain. The case on you is early what do you think of everything else that is happening.
I want your opinion on tornak and nod currently, as both interest me.
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Tronak gave legit analysis and therefore seems town for now. Would like to see more from node. All he has done is accuse you and provide nothing.
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Ok what's your conclusion on node then?
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I would like to see snarfs response to the vote first.
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On February 25 2015 00:47 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 17:48 Node wrote:On February 24 2015 15:53 Damdred wrote:
I never threw any shit honestly I think Hts is scum, Eden is potential scum based off of meta at this point.
There are always two sides of giving someone a chance they give you more evidence to help secure a lynch, or they come in and proove they are town.
HTS is a very capable town player, sometimes she gets tricked but still a good player. Very capable of looking town with original thoughts.
So why can't their be town motivation in making sure I don't get tunneled on something hours into a game when Hts hasn't even broken a page quite yet, bit has said some questionable things. I have no issues with people backing off a read, but you can't keep saying you think people are "potential scum" or have said "questionable things" without actually putting some substance behind it. Make a case! Scum doesn't care about a few people maybe being iffy about them, they care about hard cases that put them in the spotlight. you seemingly haven't read the whole thread or only skimmed as I answered why I think both are scummy. This is interesting post
OMGUS harder, why don't you?
It's a little annoying how one of the default responses to criticism is "did you even READ?" I read your filter. You've quoted none of the people you say are suspicious, you haven't engaged any of them directly, and you're straight. A key tell for a mafia is indecisiveness, and what people are picking up on isn't that you're backing off on your reads, it's that they were barely there to begin with. It's as if they were practically set up just to be backed off of later, or inconsequential enough that you wouldn't have to follow through. Here's what I'm talking about:
On February 24 2015 13:04 Damdred wrote:
though pr is most interesting person in the thread
On February 24 2015 11:44 Damdred wrote:
Eden you feel so disconnected and out of it right now. I'm really really worrying you rolled scum with hts
Now, I want to make it clear that I don't think you're scum. Yet. (a blatant OMGUS isn't helping) But I do think your posts have done little more than gum up the thread. It's one thing to call my post "interesting" and start to get people thinking about me. It's another to actually say what I did was scummy and why.
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Oops, second sentence in first paragraph should read:
You've quoted none of the people you say are suspicious, you haven't engaged any of them directly, and you're straight-up refusing to commit to anything, even as you push multiple targets.
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I don't know why you are saying I'm omgus currently when I haven't put a vote on you, called you scum or anything of the like.
You are however overly deffrnsive at this point so I suggest you calm down. Me telling you, you have not read the thread is obviously true when I've committed to several reads. The lack of quotes means nothing as I think all quotes does is cause people to be lazy in cases and only half read.
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On February 25 2015 01:16 _Tormented_ wrote:
I would like to see snarfs response to the vote first.
why does this matter to your conclusion on node
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On February 24 2015 17:37 Node wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2015 09:25 Snarfs wrote:
Okay, I see some other games with some of these other guys as well. And Tronak said already that it's his/her first mafia game ever so it looks like I'm covered in this regard, no need to continue down the rabbit hole.
Is this the point where someone proposes an RNG lynch? This was really early in the game, so take it with a grain of salt, but I'd like to point out that this is actually really scummy. Beyond an RNG lynch being an awful idea for reasons already stated, there's also bit of a deflection here -- Snarfs isn't going to propose a lynch, "someone" is. Nevermind that he's the first one to actually bring it up. Snarfs also just posted a wall of text without actually saying much of anything. Yeah, there are some reads in there, but considering there are a couple of people that he'd lynch "pretty happily", there's nothing concrete. Just some feels without conclusions and a distinct lack of an actual case or vote. Based on that, I'm going to park at ##Vote: Snarfs for now.
I was just throwing out some conversation starters. Same with asking new players for their experience, hence why I threw a bunch of players who also have plenty of TL games under their belt up. That's also why I didn't continue the discussion once we started talking about real things.
Tronak I hope that answers your question as well. As for my willingness to follow Yamato against Tormented, let's remember there are 10 town and 3 mafia. My opinion is that of the people talking last night when the game started, maybe only 1 will actually turn out to be mafia, posssssssibly 2, but we need more posts to determine that. Tormented is a better candidate than Damdred, imo.
Node, I would appreciate it if you could comment on more in the thread. What do YOU think of HtS for instance? Or the case on Tormented? Or artanis' case timing based on the alignment you think Tormented may be?
As for lacking substance, while it's easy to reply with a quote on a tablet (ie this one), it is not easy to cut and paste quotes everywhere. I went to exceptional effort to just post one link  . I can play on my PC if it will help town for me to provide more quotes.
Now I do need to head into work so I will be reading on my phone but I won't be posting until I get in so feel free to ask more, just expect a delayed response.
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Also tormented would scum or mafia make these cases on you more likely in this spot and why
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May I comment on Node, Damdred? And it has nothing to do with his vote on me.
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Lol you can comment on anyone amy information is good information
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I really dislike two things:
1. He ignored the thread and focused entirely on a mafia heuristic that can apply to town players as well
2. He's being quite hypocritical when it comes to his stance on what mafia do
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And what do you conclude from it? Is he mafia? Bad town at this point"
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My biggest problem though is his anger that neither myself nor you are commuting to anything. I feel like I don't have enough information to commit to anything, but he doesn't seem to feel the same way.
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