EPT[D] Activity and Town-Play - Page 5
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marvellosity
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Holyflare
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marvellosity
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VayneAuthority
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I always keep spammers alive because it makes the thread shitty to read and the town worse as a result. I forget what game it was but we as scum killed off pretty much every no content player and the thread was a huge shitfest of all the spammers at eachother's throats while we sat there, cool game. | ||
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justanothertownie
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On February 11 2015 23:10 Holyflare wrote: post restrictions restrict freedom which is a basic human right! There is nothing more to say besides this. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
And I'm at least 60 years older than you marv. | ||
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marvellosity
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
I think we need to enforce a post restriction in this thread. | ||
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Holyflare
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marvellosity
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Holyflare
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On February 11 2015 22:14 Holyflare wrote: all of the spammers i know get shot n1, like every single one of them? - robik Most N0/N1 Town Deaths by % IAmRobik 6/14 = 42.8571% Blazinghand 10/27 = 37.0370% s0Lstice 4/11 = 36.3636% chaos13 4/12 = 33.3333% Mr. Wiggles 6/19 = 31.5789% LSB 6/21 = 28.5714% Ace 7/25 = 28.0000% Caller 4/15 = 26.6667% Kurumi 5/19 = 26.3158% | ||
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Holyflare
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On February 11 2015 11:46 kitaman27 wrote: ... Now don't get me wrong. I'm not preaching about how we should return to the good 'ol days and that my preferred type of game is how everyone should play. The skill level is much higher than it used to be. The strategy of posting such a high amount of content that no one can question that you are town is extremely effective. The mafia players who can emulate this high content strategy rise above all others. In these 300+ page threads there is so much useless information that it has become a viable strategy to stop reading the thread completely and only read the filters of the players being discussed for a lynch. It has become a different game than it used to be. ... I wouldn't be complaining if "mass posting to establish townie-ness" were truly viable and effective. It once, but it isn't any more. Mafia are perfectly capable of mass-posting as revealed by recent games, and now we're just left in a situation where there's mass-posting for the sake of "metagame" rather than purpose. On February 11 2015 11:49 Damdred wrote: ... In all of my ramblings and thought vomit I think the conclusion would be, people just have to regulate themselves its not that town wins or loses on big or small post counts, its that town wins or loses based on the content of the posts that they pay attention to... This is pretty much what I'm getting at. The quality of posts determine the strength of a town. The quantity is irrelevant, and likely detrimental. And if people focused on quality of posts, the quality of play and games on this site would improve. On February 11 2015 13:22 liancourt wrote: this is only an issue in games that include hf/marv. In other games, it barely goes over 200 pages which is a decent length for a game. I think you are worrying about nothing. Marv and Holyflare aren't the only people with absurd filters in that game, nor are they the only people that "spam." In fact, I'd argue that Marv and Holyflare are the least of the problems - they are two players that have actual success with their playstyle. The problem is everyone who spams and doesn't think about how it could be hurting their game. Because it's a rare talent to be able to post and think at the same time - a talent I do not have. On February 12 2015 01:18 IAmRobik wrote: What'd you say? Most N0/N1 Town Deaths by % IAmRobik 6/14 = 42.8571% Blazinghand 10/27 = 37.0370% s0Lstice 4/11 = 36.3636% chaos13 4/12 = 33.3333% Mr. Wiggles 6/19 = 31.5789% LSB 6/21 = 28.5714% Ace 7/25 = 28.0000% Caller 4/15 = 26.6667% Kurumi 5/19 = 26.3158% I would encourage you to have higher standards for your play. But your standards are your own I suppose. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Hapahauli
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On February 11 2015 14:30 Holyflare wrote: posting less really REALLY hurts my scum game though  i don't even read content anymore i've pretty much evolved to skimming through posts in someones filter and looking at the overall jist of their filter and reading their behaviour etc and I still find mafia..... my last cases have been hts - asking questions and nothing else, not solving game rsoul - not like town, excuses and reactive jat - lame and lame koshi - boring compared to normal and not following up from obs qt in linux There's a lot in your post to talk about Holyflare, but I think this is the most important. How important is a psychotically active filter in making these types of cases? I'd argue that it makes no difference - those observations can be made in a far less active game without all the spam. All the activity does is add to the chaos and make the relevant information harder to find. You have a talent for parsing through the chaos, but most don't have such an ability. reading 20 pages takes like 10 minutes if everyone is just having a conversational game and I really don't see the complaint people have when they are behind unless they analytically study each page in exact detail which is silly....If there were 4 pages of wall of texts then that is far more of a hassle to me than 20 pages of sentences I think you're in the minority here, judging from the responses. I personally find less-posts and more-content easier to parse through and read than the chaos of 1-liners. It makes individual posts be more memorable. everyone has a play style to adapt to and yes, conversational styles in the most part don't really work at finding mafia for a lot of people because they just haven't played the game enough and don't remember a word of what they've said in their filters and in that case they are dumb and shouldn't play conversationally! However, it allows you to ADAPT your reads far more quickly to a situation. If you post a giant wall of text and are wrong you've wasted a colossal amount of time into that wall of text and the research behind it whereas spammy style you're just constantly gathering information I don't want to get into an argument about style, mostly because it's disingenuous for me to tell a good player with a style he has found success with that they are playing "wrong." My audience is pretty much everyone other than you. On a personal viewpoint of style though, I find that posting more often makes me adapt with thread sentiment too much. I need a layer of separation from the game to maintain a level of objectivity needed to be accurate. it's really no coincidence at all that mafia lynches d1 are ever increasing because the spammy style is more conducive to actually finding mafia because their overall play becomes so much more apparent the more they post and commit to a direction My theory is that spam hurts bad scum players and helps good ones. Inexperienced ones are picked off quickly, overwhelmed by the spam, while skilled/experienced players are quick to take advantage of the chaos. if people really don't like reading spammy games then there should be post restriction games in a separate queue to normals but be warned that those games will 9/10 times end up in mafia victories imo because the people that join them will be low content/low post count players which are the hardest players to read in this entire forum I think this is a ridiculous assertion. I've never had problems reading low-post count players, nor have others on this site years ago. The insane expectations of activity are a crutch and not a leg to stand on. | ||
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Holyflare
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 12 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote: and you claim blue d1 bwahahahahaha.  | ||
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Holyflare
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On February 12 2015 03:22 Blazinghand wrote: The reason I'm shot n1 37% of the time (while usually only comprising 10% of the townies) isn't that I spam, it's that my tactics and knowledge are terrifyingly effective at scum hunting. On February 12 2015 03:23 Holyflare wrote: and you claim blue d1 | ||
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justanothertownie
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my play devolved to spam so I could get the most info out into the thread or gather the most info possible in a short amount of time before dying and I just like being super conversational because it helps a lot. D1 restriction would hurt the most important days worth of information!
