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On February 18 2015 03:13 Koshi wrote:
I will be the town hero that will change his post style to quality over quantity.
I already tried it once and dedicated my post clearing townies and catching mafia!Chroma somewhere but then all the other townies were whiny bitches that weren't as gifted as I was and I had to change my style back to mass posting due to peer pressure.
Because you were far more vocal about your completely nonsensical townreads in that game and so noone townread you.
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tbh i could post 3 posts a game pointing out my mafia targets and they'd prob be mafia but people wouldn't follow shit unless i spammed and established my innocence and it's more fun to just write a lot that's on my mind and it's far more important to establish innocence because that poe's mafia which leads to mafia lynches??? you're telling me that you don't want people to post a lot to establish innocence but somehow also find mafia while people aren't posting a lot
You and marv doesn't post just to post. You post with objective. But a lot of townies doesn't. These townies are doing that because they want to have a big filter and stablish their innocence by it. And this is wrong IMO. It clutters the thread with useless information.
I also don't know anyone at all that posts like this
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On February 18 2015 03:56 Holyflare wrote:tbh i could post 3 posts a game pointing out my mafia targets and they'd prob be mafia but people wouldn't follow shit unless i spammed and established my innocence and it's more fun to just write a lot that's on my mind and it's far more important to establish innocence because that poe's mafia which leads to mafia lynches??? you're telling me that you don't want people to post a lot to establish innocence but somehow also find mafia while people aren't posting a lot Show nested quote +
You and marv doesn't post just to post. You post with objective. But a lot of townies doesn't. These townies are doing that because they want to have a big filter and stablish their innocence by it. And this is wrong IMO. It clutters the thread with useless information.
I also don't know anyone at all that posts like this
Me neither.
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uhh yea eden idk where you've been having this discussion but it isn't with me cuz i would have disagreed with you LMAO
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On February 18 2015 03:07 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 01:25 Eden1892 wrote:
In theory yeah it'd be great if all the townies could be obvious and unlynchable, and if they get there through high-volume posting, ok, great
In practice though I don't think this tends to happen as much as we'd like to think I never said that posting in high volumes is needed to become unlynchable. Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 02:33 GlowingBear wrote:On February 18 2015 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get what the problem is if we just lynch mafia??? there's nothing more optimal than that and we most definitely convince people to lynch the mafia and we have huge filters and still get lynched when we are mafia too so I don't see how it's particularly difficult Hmm, let me try to get clearer... You can be active and readable Marv also. There are people that can't. Me, for example. You and marv doesn't post just to post. You post with objective. But a lot of townies doesn't. These townies are doing that because they want to have a big filter and stablish their innocence by it. And this is wrong IMO. It clutters the thread with useless information.
I don't have the patience to read 30+ new pages of game after I spend one entire day without playing. And it fucks my gameplay. It's harder to keep track and, therefore, is detrimental to town.Other point that I'm trying to explain is that is more important to scumhunt than to establish innocence. Because Mafia is a timeclock to town. They have to lynch mafia BEFORE they can properly stablish innocence. You can win a game lynching mafia but you can't win a game by only establishing your innocence. Like, what's the "counter-attack" scum has against a universal townread? Kill him at night. What's the "counter-attack" scum has against a scumlynch? None. Playing optimally is a myth. Yet we can discuss what is playing optimally to further improve gameplay, right?  The bolded is a clear contradiction. If you acknowledge that people can post much without losing their objective (and there are quite a few people who can and will do that) and you still can't be bothered to read the thread when you took a break from the game then you are the problem and nothing else. Of course you can win a game by lynching mafia but you can only lynch mafia if you not only identified them but are also able to convince town to actually kill them which is only possible or at least much easier if people think that you are town. Not to mention how much easier it is to find mafia if townies prove their innocence. Of course scum can shoot obvious townies in the night but if there are several obvious townies they can't shoot them all. But they ARE running out of options for mislynches.
I do get what you say, although I disagree with you.
No, it's not a contradiction and the problem isn't me. It's a recurring problem. If marv and HF can post massively amounts of posts and still get in their objective, awesome. They are exceptions, at least IMO. If they can read 30 pages of thread from night to day and not feel exhausted, awesome. They have great traits. However, I doubt "talentless" people can follow this. Imperial mafia is proof of how disastrous intense and useless activity is detrimental to town.
JAT, the thing is: some people are active AND direct AND consistent. Fine. They can help town.
Some people spam because they want to expand their filter because they are trying to not get lynched. This clutters the thread. And it makes it nearly impossible to analyse. And it makes town put useless effort in the game
No wonder how many very good players aren't playing anymore. They make good analysis but can't keep track of the thread.
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the majority of people stopped playing because of toxic ppl it was a thread not so long ago afaik not because of spam
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On February 18 2015 03:56 Holyflare wrote:tbh i could post 3 posts a game pointing out my mafia targets and they'd prob be mafia but people wouldn't follow shit unless i spammed and established my innocence and it's more fun to just write a lot that's on my mind and it's far more important to establish innocence because that poe's mafia which leads to mafia lynches??? you're telling me that you don't want people to post a lot to establish innocence but somehow also find mafia while people aren't posting a lot Show nested quote +
You and marv doesn't post just to post. You post with objective. But a lot of townies doesn't. These townies are doing that because they want to have a big filter and stablish their innocence by it. And this is wrong IMO. It clutters the thread with useless information.
I also don't know anyone at all that posts like this
I thought you knew me.
Anyway, I don't think PoE is better than finding scum.
Just my opinion.
Also, I'm not telling people to "reduce their activity" just to reduce it. I'm telling people to think of how they will help town while posting. And I bet that a lot of posting wouldn't be done with this in mind.
Or to change formatting of very informational postings. Why not?
Whatever, we are here to have fun, of course. Post what you want. But considering an ideal way of playing as town, I think activity should be lower for most players. That all.
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On February 18 2015 04:53 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 03:07 justanothertownie wrote:On February 18 2015 01:25 Eden1892 wrote:
In theory yeah it'd be great if all the townies could be obvious and unlynchable, and if they get there through high-volume posting, ok, great
In practice though I don't think this tends to happen as much as we'd like to think I never said that posting in high volumes is needed to become unlynchable. On February 18 2015 02:33 GlowingBear wrote:On February 18 2015 01:53 Holyflare wrote:
I don't get what the problem is if we just lynch mafia??? there's nothing more optimal than that and we most definitely convince people to lynch the mafia and we have huge filters and still get lynched when we are mafia too so I don't see how it's particularly difficult Hmm, let me try to get clearer... You can be active and readable Marv also. There are people that can't. Me, for example. You and marv doesn't post just to post. You post with objective. But a lot of townies doesn't. These townies are doing that because they want to have a big filter and stablish their innocence by it. And this is wrong IMO. It clutters the thread with useless information.
I don't have the patience to read 30+ new pages of game after I spend one entire day without playing. And it fucks my gameplay. It's harder to keep track and, therefore, is detrimental to town.Other point that I'm trying to explain is that is more important to scumhunt than to establish innocence. Because Mafia is a timeclock to town. They have to lynch mafia BEFORE they can properly stablish innocence. You can win a game lynching mafia but you can't win a game by only establishing your innocence. Like, what's the "counter-attack" scum has against a universal townread? Kill him at night. What's the "counter-attack" scum has against a scumlynch? None. Playing optimally is a myth. Yet we can discuss what is playing optimally to further improve gameplay, right? The bolded is a clear contradiction. If you acknowledge that people can post much without losing their objective (and there are quite a few people who can and will do that) and you still can't be bothered to read the thread when you took a break from the game then you are the problem and nothing else. Of course you can win a game by lynching mafia but you can only lynch mafia if you not only identified them but are also able to convince town to actually kill them which is only possible or at least much easier if people think that you are town. Not to mention how much easier it is to find mafia if townies prove their innocence. Of course scum can shoot obvious townies in the night but if there are several obvious townies they can't shoot them all. But they ARE running out of options for mislynches. I do get what you say, although I disagree with you. No, it's not a contradiction and the problem isn't me. It's a recurring problem. If marv and HF can post massively amounts of posts and still get in their objective, awesome. They are exceptions, at least IMO. If they can read 30 pages of thread from night to day and not feel exhausted, awesome. They have great traits. However, I doubt "talentless" people can follow this. Imperial mafia is proof of how disastrous intense and useless activity is detrimental to town. JAT, the thing is: some people are active AND direct AND consistent. Fine. They can help town. Some people spam because they want to expand their filter because they are trying to not get lynched. This clutters the thread. And it makes it nearly impossible to analyse. And it makes town put useless effort in the game No wonder how many very good players aren't playing anymore. They make good analysis but can't keep track of the thread.
The town of imperial did not lose because of the high volume of the game.
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Poeing is like the best tool to find mafia????? You're arguing people don't play spammy as well as me and marv but I'm telling you the strategy (to spam and find the townies asap and poe the mafia) and you're telling me it's not the best way :p
There's a reason i post those poe reads list every game
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On February 18 2015 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
Poeing is like the best tool to find mafia????? You're arguing people don't play spammy as well as me and marv but I'm telling you the strategy (to spam and find the townies asap and poe the mafia) and you're telling me it's not the best way :p
There's a reason i post those poe reads list every game
Hmm that's actually not what I remember you doing. It's a day1 strategy for you in most games I've played with you, which I find okay, but you soon go against people with scummy traits rather than engaging a PoE. Particularly a right lynch you had on bats day 1 in one of those games we played together.
I don't think spamming is necessary to make a good PoE. If that is the strategy that suits you better, fine. It is still different from the type of activity I am damning.
If everyone starts basing their game based on activity as a priority, I BET that the game will be unplayable.
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On February 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
Poeing is like the best tool to find mafia????? You're arguing people don't play spammy as well as me and marv but I'm telling you the strategy (to spam and find the townies asap and poe the mafia) and you're telling me it's not the best way :p
There's a reason i post those poe reads list every game If everyone starts basing their game based on activity as a priority, I BET that the game will be unplayable.
Yeah, but nobody is actually doing that. I really don't see your problem.
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Um you poe and then look at the scummy ppl in your poe and you get easy mafia gg 
Either way i dunno what the point of this is when i haven't seen anyone who plays spammy but doesn't try and find mafia in the spam.
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On February 18 2015 05:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2015 05:25 GlowingBear wrote:On February 18 2015 05:11 Holyflare wrote:
Poeing is like the best tool to find mafia????? You're arguing people don't play spammy as well as me and marv but I'm telling you the strategy (to spam and find the townies asap and poe the mafia) and you're telling me it's not the best way :p
There's a reason i post those poe reads list every game If everyone starts basing their game based on activity as a priority, I BET that the game will be unplayable. Yeah, but nobody is actually doing that. I really don't see your problem.
Meh, we are in a thread where the OP states that he saw a game with extreme activity. So there's that.
I'm going to obs some games and post examples of what I'm talking here, then.
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Blazinghand
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Oh.
I thought people would just shout "NEVERMORE" over and over until scum surrendered.
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I thought about creating a game with 2 hour days and 1 hour nights for a one day thing, but then I realized that there's another way of using time as spam prevention without having to cram everything in one day. My idea is the following: 2x 2 hour days with 22 hour silent periods in between. It'd be great for those who don't have as much time to commit to mafia whilst still allowing people who want to spam to spam in those times without worrying about their post count. I'm curious if anyone'd be willing to play in such a game. If so, I'd be happy to host it.
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The problem is you would need to find the time in those two hours every day which could be hard.
If that problem is solvable it sounds like a good idea.
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You have to find the time and then things always come up at random times too so you're essentially fucked if anything happens for basically an entire cycle
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Well yeah, but the time would be known in advance so you could plan it out, plus there's 2x 2 hours so if you miss one you still have the other, and you can read up on the game even if you miss one.
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