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On February 11 2015 11:14 Eden1892 wrote:
The super ironic hilarious thing is that I made the same point after Imperial aka the game where marv won as scum with a 30pg filter. Then I totally forgot it when I played. Lol
30 page? like 44, you swine. I would say part of the reason I spammed was because of Eden. This isn't to blame him in any way at all, I'm just weak and thought well if he's going to, I may as well too.
On February 11 2015 11:20 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 11:19 Eden1892 wrote:
Town keeps losing until it realizes it's talking too much. Then townies stop talking so much so they can lose less. It's a market, and people are realizing the price of posts is too high. Give it time and it will adjust I'm not even sure how to address this. That's not at all what will happen. Games will just be bad instead.
Horn of Africa *wasn't* bad, though. Sure it had passages of bad/derp play (some from yours truly) but that's the same in any game. But there was stacks of good play as well.
Admittedly my best passage of play was on the final day when I paused, took a deep breath, and took my time finding things 
edit: versatility is important. You have to be able to win in all styles - Imperial, Shadow as megaspam + wall-of-text games respectively as scum, and - Horn, megaposty game, YOSO, tightly post-restricted game as town
Generally speaking I could easily have posted 10+ pages less in Horn, but I would still have had a high post-count and most of it would have been "valid". Actually one of the best things about the game was that everyone was trying and playing. That's what makes an interesting or enjoyable game for me.
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On February 11 2015 11:00 Blazinghand wrote:
clearly it's time for twitterverse 2.0
Best game.
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I think a post restriction game would benefit from a minimum amount of posts, say 20? Per cycle as well just so you don't get excesses on the other side. Perhaps limiting the restrictions to D1 and D2 would help, as those tend to be the spammiest days.
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On February 11 2015 19:58 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, from a scum perspective...the crazy posting in that game made it easier for us
(less so for me, cause I actually do like to read the game, and just as an FYI...I WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUALLY LOST AND DEPRESSIVE AS TOWN lol...probably more so) No, it really didn't.
heh, maybe it just helped me, then xP I didn't really get into oh shit they're gonna lynch me trouble until people stopped going nuts and the thread calmed down lol
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On February 11 2015 20:55 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 19:58 justanothertownie wrote:On February 11 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, from a scum perspective...the crazy posting in that game made it easier for us
(less so for me, cause I actually do like to read the game, and just as an FYI...I WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUALLY LOST AND DEPRESSIVE AS TOWN lol...probably more so) No, it really didn't. heh, maybe it just helped me, then xP I didn't really get into oh shit they're gonna lynch me trouble until people stopped going nuts and the thread calmed down lol
You know I said "I have this terrible feeling" just to make you shit your pants, right?
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On February 11 2015 20:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 20:55 rsoultin wrote:On February 11 2015 19:58 justanothertownie wrote:On February 11 2015 11:27 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, from a scum perspective...the crazy posting in that game made it easier for us
(less so for me, cause I actually do like to read the game, and just as an FYI...I WOULD HAVE BEEN EQUALLY LOST AND DEPRESSIVE AS TOWN lol...probably more so) No, it really didn't. heh, maybe it just helped me, then xP I didn't really get into oh shit they're gonna lynch me trouble until people stopped going nuts and the thread calmed down lol You know I said "I have this terrible feeling" just to make you shit your pants, right?
lol xP I knew you were talking about me. Really, though, trying to play that Day 3 alone would have been nerve-wracking enough regardless lol
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On February 11 2015 20:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think a post restriction game would benefit from a minimum amount of posts, say 20? Per cycle as well just so you don't get excesses on the other side. Perhaps limiting the restrictions to D1 and D2 would help, as those tend to be the spammiest days.
I read the last thread on spam and Yamato proposed a D1-only post restriction. I tinkered with that idea for a bit, and it might be a fair but firm way to keep the BS in check that usually occurs D1. Yet others seem quite opposed to any sort of post restriction, and I think this could be a happy medium.
As for town regulation of spammers, it seems like in the games that I've played the spammiest players are kept around because they are spammy for the most part, and from experience part of the reason I almost got mislynched in student mafia was because I was making an argument that a certain spammer was partially scummy because he was cluttering the thread making it difficult for the rest of us. Clearly others didn't buy that.
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all of the spammers i know get shot n1, like every single one of them? - robik
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On February 11 2015 22:14 Holyflare wrote:
all of the spammers i know get shot n1, like every single one of them? - robik
I understand what you are saying, but I think I play in games where there are multiple spammers though...assuming 1 KP/night, you just can't shoot all of them N1.
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I mean mafia shoot them for being good  my play devolved to spam so I could get the most info out into the thread or gather the most info possible in a short amount of time before dying and I just like being super conversational because it helps a lot. D1 restriction would hurt the most important days worth of information!
Look at horn for example, the case for rsoul being mafia was d1 and the interactions were all from mafia d1 etc etc. More info day 1 more winning!
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On February 11 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote:
edit: versatility is important. You have to be able to win in all styles - Imperial, Shadow as megaspam + wall-of-text games respectively as scum, and - Horn, megaposty game, YOSO, tightly post-restricted game as town
Generally speaking I could easily have posted 10+ pages less in Horn, but I would still have had a high post-count and most of it would have been "valid". Actually one of the best things about the game was that everyone was trying and playing. That's what makes an interesting or enjoyable game for me.
100%. I think it's good to be able to communicate and make arguments in different ways, why limit yourself to certain types of games because of this?
As for the validity, once people started making comments on filter lengths, I took a hard look at Eden's filter, Marv, JAT and even Rasputin, she was getting up there too. There was a lot of repetition between players, but nothing that I considered on the lines of trolling/abuse/straight up spam. I even explained to a couple of the people in PM that people were honestly trying. I don't think it's fair to punish for that. Play on, I say.
An example that would have gotten a warning, if Palmar had done what he'd done in Hammertime spamming "Kill Toad" 100x, he definitely would have been warned had he pulled that in Horn.
The only thing that I'd say bugged me as a moderator was seeing a relatively decent chunk of discussion at some point or another on mechanics or stuff that would not have resulted in posting had people been paying attention to the OP. There were a few legitimate points where I felt it necessary to step in and clarify things where it wasn't in my setup post, but once I had the 5th person talking about unaware millers when the OP said they were aware I just seriously had to wonder. (I also had several people PM me about notifications when again, it was clearly stated in the OP how they'd be handled.) Still, the point remains, we can't punish for people not paying attention either.
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On February 11 2015 22:21 Holyflare wrote:I mean mafia shoot them for being good my play devolved to spam so I could get the most info out into the thread or gather the most info possible in a short amount of time before dying and I just like being super conversational because it helps a lot. D1 restriction would hurt the most important days worth of information! Look at horn for example, the case for rsoul being mafia was d1 and the interactions were all from mafia d1 etc etc. More info day 1 more winning!
Well, let me ask you this then. I realise you were scum in Carol, and that Carol was a large normal but that game had a post restriction too and I think scum Kelsier was caught out D2 based on things he said D1. Clearly the post restriction didn't affect that result, though I'm not sure of the people who got N1'ed in that game were spammers. Koshi, Kita don't strike me as spammers for instance (probably NKed because they are just good players), I forget offhand who else was N1'd.
I understand your personal perspective though as someone who appears to get N1'd a lot though, so it makes sense for people like you to milk that day for all it's worth if you're town.
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I wrote a really long post with historical TL mafia play, analysing trends and changes and how it has come to this based on the dominant style of play. Then I accidentally deleted it. That was kinda sad.
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Fun fact, I used to be a spammer.
I still post just as much as I did back in the day.
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On February 11 2015 22:34 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 22:21 Holyflare wrote:I mean mafia shoot them for being good my play devolved to spam so I could get the most info out into the thread or gather the most info possible in a short amount of time before dying and I just like being super conversational because it helps a lot. D1 restriction would hurt the most important days worth of information! Look at horn for example, the case for rsoul being mafia was d1 and the interactions were all from mafia d1 etc etc. More info day 1 more winning! Well, let me ask you this then. I realise you were scum in Carol, and that Carol was a large normal but that game had a post restriction too and I think scum Kelsier was caught out D2 based on things he said D1. Clearly the post restriction didn't affect that result, though I'm not sure of the people who got N1'ed in that game were spammers. Koshi, Kita don't strike me as spammers for instance (probably NKed because they are just good players), I forget offhand who else was N1'd. I understand your personal perspective though as someone who appears to get N1'd a lot though, so it makes sense for people like you to milk that day for all it's worth if you're town.
yeh but dat guy was obvious mafia! it's different if you start playing with better and better people, I ran out of posts so many times in that game and I was mafia! If I was mafia without a post restriction (and time) I could have completely buried the kelsier case/got gb off of me/made people sheep me at deadline by spamming/getting aggro at people and saved a team mate for one extra mislynch etc etc which just isn't possible with a cap on posts and that playstyle a post restriction is literally saying we don't like the way you play play OUR way instead which is still just discrimination but for another preference!
post restrictions restrict freedom which is a basic human right!
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Post restrictions are ok if the game is built for it, carol had them because of Christmas. Either way I dislike post restrictions but i'd probably play in one again.
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On February 11 2015 22:21 Holyflare wrote:I mean mafia shoot them for being good my play devolved to spam so I could get the most info out into the thread or gather the most info possible in a short amount of time before dying and I just like being super conversational because it helps a lot. D1 restriction would hurt the most important days worth of information!
Holyflare is the guy that figures out you're a Virgo, wearing a blue tie, who ate Cheerios for breakfast that accidentally discovers you are mafia because last game you ate Frosted Flakes.
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oh yeh, I also play from my phone a ridiculous amount of time and making anything other than a few sentences on a phone is major hassle
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On February 11 2015 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
oh yeh, I also play from my phone a ridiculous amount of time and making anything other than a few sentences on a phone is major hassle
People playing with phones makes me feel old. I always feel proud if I manage 3 posts of about 6 words each with a phone, then I'm knackered.
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On February 11 2015 23:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2015 23:39 Holyflare wrote:
oh yeh, I also play from my phone a ridiculous amount of time and making anything other than a few sentences on a phone is major hassle People playing with phones makes me feel old. I always feel proud if I manage 3 posts of about 6 words each with a phone, then I'm knackered.
you are old :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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