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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 11 2015 21:11 GMT
#42
/in

not clear if there is room. if there is, i'm in.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 11 2015 22:02 GMT
#45
My RNG hits scum 100% of the time, 25% of the time.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 11 2015 22:18 GMT
#47
wait, have I actually hit scum 22% of the time? cause if so that'd be sweet
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 12 2015 01:23 GMT
#51
On February 12 2015 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2015 07:18 Blazinghand wrote:
wait, have I actually hit scum 22% of the time? cause if so that'd be sweet

in the games have been in 0%.
but itäs gonna be a pleasure to play with you! ^^


0%? then I'm definitely due for it to work now
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 12 2015 01:38 GMT
#54
On February 12 2015 10:32 rsoultin wrote:
lol, you really stick to the RNG scumread, BH, or is it just a place to start at?

Not only do I stick to the scumread, it's not too uncommon for me to actually successfully lynch them. I'm very talented at writing cases that convince readers even though they know the reason I'm writing is RNG. I think the times my RNG has landed on scum it's failed to push through though.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 12 2015 01:53 GMT
#56
On February 12 2015 10:40 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2015 10:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 12 2015 10:32 rsoultin wrote:
lol, you really stick to the RNG scumread, BH, or is it just a place to start at?

Not only do I stick to the scumread, it's not too uncommon for me to actually successfully lynch them. I'm very talented at writing cases that convince readers even though they know the reason I'm writing is RNG. I think the times my RNG has landed on scum it's failed to push through though.


that seems a little wild, lol, but if it works for you ^^


fwiw though legit RNGing the D1 lynch has a lot of positive benefits. You'd be surprised how well games with a D1 RNG lynch turn out.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-12 02:19:50
February 12 2015 02:19 GMT
#58
On February 12 2015 11:10 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 12 2015 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 12 2015 10:40 rsoultin wrote:
On February 12 2015 10:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 12 2015 10:32 rsoultin wrote:
lol, you really stick to the RNG scumread, BH, or is it just a place to start at?

Not only do I stick to the scumread, it's not too uncommon for me to actually successfully lynch them. I'm very talented at writing cases that convince readers even though they know the reason I'm writing is RNG. I think the times my RNG has landed on scum it's failed to push through though.


that seems a little wild, lol, but if it works for you ^^


fwiw though legit RNGing the D1 lynch has a lot of positive benefits. You'd be surprised how well games with a D1 RNG lynch turn out.


just to see how that player reacts under pressure, and how everyone else reacts?


Yeah, but also a 22% chance of lynching scum is pretty good. If we've already caught scum we don't need to worry about RNG. But if we're confused, then the RNG is great because a confused town usually is pushed into mislynching by scum-- the RNG is way better. Even better, RNG isn't subject to like, biases, weird rivalries, vet bitterness, hatred of newbies, or any of that stuff. RNG is pure and perfect.

In fact, it's REALLY good in this game, which has 17 players, 5 of whom are scum. that's a 30% chance to lynch scum. That's frickin amazing
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 12 2015 02:25 GMT
#60
On February 12 2015 11:22 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2015 11:19 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 12 2015 11:10 rsoultin wrote:
On February 12 2015 10:53 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 12 2015 10:40 rsoultin wrote:
On February 12 2015 10:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 12 2015 10:32 rsoultin wrote:
lol, you really stick to the RNG scumread, BH, or is it just a place to start at?

Not only do I stick to the scumread, it's not too uncommon for me to actually successfully lynch them. I'm very talented at writing cases that convince readers even though they know the reason I'm writing is RNG. I think the times my RNG has landed on scum it's failed to push through though.


that seems a little wild, lol, but if it works for you ^^


fwiw though legit RNGing the D1 lynch has a lot of positive benefits. You'd be surprised how well games with a D1 RNG lynch turn out.


just to see how that player reacts under pressure, and how everyone else reacts?


Yeah, but also a 22% chance of lynching scum is pretty good. If we've already caught scum we don't need to worry about RNG. But if we're confused, then the RNG is great because a confused town usually is pushed into mislynching by scum-- the RNG is way better. Even better, RNG isn't subject to like, biases, weird rivalries, vet bitterness, hatred of newbies, or any of that stuff. RNG is pure and perfect.

In fact, it's REALLY good in this game, which has 17 players, 5 of whom are scum. that's a 30% chance to lynch scum. That's frickin amazing


lol, not to quibble, BH, but technically anyone voted, RNG or not, has a 30% chance of being scum minus outside factors xP not being subject to biases and rivalries and stuff I good, i'll admit, but it also doesn't incorporate any valid forms of analysis either, yeah?

I've caught scum day 1 and I'm not that good lol. I think most players have.


ಠ_ಠ

... if you're gonna use the argument that "technically any vote has a 30% chance of landing on scum" then you're gonna have to justify why not-RNG is better than RNG, since, according to you not-RNG has a 30% chance of landing on scum just like RNG.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 12 2015 02:45 GMT
#63
On February 12 2015 11:41 Damdred wrote:
I remember in ffl rng landed on scum and we lynched scum d1....


Ah see look it works great
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 12 2015 03:37 GMT
#65
I do things besides just rng you know. I'm full of surprises. Sometimes I even surprise myself.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 12 2015 04:34 GMT
#68
that's not even the worst possible outcome
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 12 2015 04:38 GMT
#70
Like I said, it hitting a blue isn't the worst possible outcome. It hitting me WOULD be the worst possible outcome. It hasn't happened yet, but if it does, I will vote myself and write an appropriate case.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2015 21:47 GMT
#108
I've thought about it a lot, and probably the ideal deadline time is when it's early morning east asia, afternoon USW, late GMT.

something like 00:00 GMT (+00:00) would work and allow people in asia, australia, the americas, and most of western europe to play easily. it's only really bad for people in eastern europe or central asia, but we don't have as many players from there. in any case this time we're using this game is great for me since I live on the west coast

the real solution though is clearly IML
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 13 2015 22:17 GMT
#111
He likes me!
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 06:35 GMT
#265
It seems clear to me that it's time for an RNG lynch.

So here's what happens

1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here

2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s sitewide post count modulo 17. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively.

I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explanation, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG.

For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh.

The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on.

Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST.


In this case,
1 = rayn
2 = HtS

etc etc all the way up to

16 = Breshke
0 = FecalFeast

(since a multiple of 17 modulo 17 is 0, not 17, we end with 0).

+ Show Spoiler [player list] +

1. raynpelikoneet
2. Half the Sky
3. ritoky
4. VayneAuthority
5. liancourt
6. Town Puppy
7. IAmRobik
8. rsoultin
9. LightningStrike
10. KelsierSC
11. Palmar
12. Alakaslam
13. prplhz
14. Blazinghand
15. Superbia
16. Breshke
0. Fecalfeast


there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 06:36 GMT
#266
The Post count for my RNG declaration post was 23757725

23757725 mod 17 = 4

4th player is VayneAuthority

##vote VayneAuthority

VA, your lynch has been determined by RNG. SUBMIT YOURSELF UNTO DEATH.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 06:39 GMT
#268
Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority

He's clearly here but has not posted enough

In case you plan to Deny RNG:

Look roughly speaking there are 17 players, right? if 5 of them are scum, then that gives us a solid 30% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG. Now, this isn't a very good ratio, I understand. Often, town can sometimes, occasionally it for D1 lynches. But unless you put together a better case, the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 30% chance to lynch someone. And I think that's better than anything anyone else has offered

On top of that, once I've RNGed someone, I tunnel them until they are lynched. This is pretty much historically accurate.

That being said, I am willing to change vote if you guys can offer something better, but things like "someone was yelling in all caps" or whatever other baloney is going on doesn't even come close to matching up with RNG in terms of usefulness as a heuristic.

You won't, though.

VA is scum. RNG says so. We lynch him. We win.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 06:44 GMT
#270
This game with its high scum count is uniquely suited to RNG. This is possibly the best that RNG can be, and if towns have been willing to use it when it was worse, we should be willing to use it when it's at its strongest. Follow me! Follow me and discover GREATNESS.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 06:48 GMT
#273
Really guys? Come on. Pretending to be afk when I come out with my sweet rng case is pretty crumby play. ಠ_ಠ
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 06:49 GMT
#280
On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority

He's clearly here but has not posted enough


So Blazinghand, D1 meta for Vayne is that he does jack all. We're less than 2h into the game. Further, you're objectively scumreading him for doing jack all, when it's his known meta?

I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.


Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 06:50 GMT
#283
On February 14 2015 15:49 liancourt wrote:
who we lynching today?


The objective RNG picked VA, which is a 30% chance of being scum which is pretty darned good for D1, so let's lynch VayneAuthority.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 06:56 GMT
#299
On February 14 2015 15:54 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2015 15:49 Blazinghand wrote:
Well, objectively I'm choosing to scumread him because he got RNGed. Do you deny that he got RNGed? It was truly random and gives us a 30% chance to lynch scum, which is way better than any other case so far. The real question here is why aren't you voting VA yet


BH, come on. Yes that was a reason, no I am not denying he got RNGed. But you stated another reason to objectively scumread him. My criticism is of the bolded:

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On February 14 2015 15:39 Blazinghand wrote:
Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch VA because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority

He's clearly here but has not posted enough


I am disputing your OTHER objective reason for scumreading him.

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On February 14 2015 15:47 Half the Sky wrote:
So Blazinghand, D1 meta for Vayne is that he does jack all. We're less than 2h into the game. Further, you're objectively scumreading him for doing jack all, when it's his known meta?

I had previously scumread him because compared to what he normally posts all of D1, which is jack all, I think in comparison, he was posting too much within the first few bits of the game here, though he's (reasonably) countering that it's because of the weird start time.



Fine, let's say that reason is crap, he still has a 30% chance to flip scum, and RNG has never failed me, even once. Vote him.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 09:26 GMT
#370
On February 14 2015 17:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Blazinghand, let's be honest:
Are you forging that read on vayne? The one besides rng?


Of course. I don't know the dude's meta at all, but people will probably buy it; people aren't very bright.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 09:34 GMT
#372
On February 14 2015 18:29 Superbia wrote:
Yo BH.

Did you have your target ready before your posted your RNG post?


No, the RNG post actually determines the target itself. The fact that you're asking this question means that you haven't understood how RNG works, because you didn't actually read my post. Ugh. Let me explain for you.

1. I make a post that says, "this post is the dice roll". This is post A.
2. Post A has a global post #, something like 8349012849230 or whatever. I take that number and use it as the basis of my RNG.
3. I make a post called post B showing my math based on post A, and I place a vote.

This means that I can't possibly know who is being RNGed and have zero control over the RNG, and there's no way for me to "take back" or "reroll" the RNG.

The fact that you're asking your question shows disrespect for my posts, as you clearly didn't understand them. I'm disappointed.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 09:40 GMT
#374
On February 14 2015 18:38 Superbia wrote:
The fact that I'm asking underlines my shock at you being able to follow up your RNG explanation post with:

- Generating a random number.
- Moduling this number.
- Translating the number to a name on your list.
- Making a follow up post.

In a minute.


Thanks!
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 09:41 GMT
#375
Like, you're welcoem to check my math broseph
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 09:49 GMT
#384
On February 14 2015 18:43 Superbia wrote:
I'm not doubting your math. I'm doubting the genuineness behind the RNG.

On February 14 2015 18:44 Superbia wrote:
Why did you feel the need to split up the explanation post and the post with the actual RNG?

ಠ_ಠ
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 11:23 GMT
#415
On February 14 2015 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 14 2015 20:13 Palmar wrote:
Do you think the miller claim means hts is mafia rayn?

Yes. Not 100% but more than likely.
I am lynching that anyways. I don't see a reason for claiming as town because your job is to look townie ny your actions, something that is not expected from mafia. But townies do not fear getting cop checked. Because cops are supposed to check scummy playwers and you should not think youare scummy as town.

The claim represents fear of being viewed as mafia, which... See above.


1. cops should optimally check into players who are semi-scummy but not optimal lynch targets, so your'e wrong about that
2. people claim miller all the time as town
3. townies dont' fear getting cop checked because they return miller to cop checks. with a miller this isn't true.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 11:23 GMT
#416
On February 14 2015 20:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2015 20:13 Palmar wrote:
Do you think the miller claim means hts is mafia rayn?

Yes. Not 100% but more than likely.
I am lynching that anyways. I don't see a reason for claiming as town because your job is to look townie ny your actions, something that is not expected from mafia. But townies do not fear getting cop checked. Because cops are supposed to check scummy playwers and you should not think youare scummy as town.

The claim represents fear of being viewed as mafia, which... See above.


1. cops should optimally check into players who are semi-scummy but not optimal lynch targets, so your'e wrong about that
2. people claim miller all the time as town
3. townies don't fear getting cop checked because they return innocent to cop checks. with a miller this isn't true.
EBWOP
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 11:26 GMT
#420
On February 14 2015 20:24 Palmar wrote:
yeah I was confused by the miller returns

it would kinda defeat the purpose of miller if cop checks on a miller didn't return guilty or innocent, just "miller"
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
February 14 2015 11:28 GMT
#423
On February 14 2015 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 14 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote:
So basically this is why I called rayn mafia. I'm reading the game backwards so I hadn't seen at the time the point where he actually does say it's a policy lynch.

On February 14 2015 17:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think hts is scum because townies do not fear getting copped.
They never should.


It is extremely scummy to try and justify policy lynches as something other than policy lynches. If we lynch HTS, it's a policy lynch for claiming miller. I personally hate millers claiming on day 1, and in theory agree with policy lynching them, recent games basically make it a dumb move to act on. I'm not saying we give HTS a pass, just that we ignore the claim and treat her like anyone else.

So I basically called rayn mafia because I believed he was trying to say HTS was mafia for something that absolutely does not make her mafia. It makes her the target of a policy lynch, and of course she might be mafia. But the claim is not a reason to call her mafia.

1) HTS claimed miller and therefore she is mafia <---- wrong
2) HTS claimed miller which is a mafia favored move so we should policy lynch her <--- right

That's the difference. Trying to make policy lynch something it isn't basically makes rayn mafia.

The problem is, I'm reading the game backwards so I hadn't seen on the previous page rayn actually calls it a policy lynch, which makes it much less bad.

The bolded is what i am saying.


ok I get it you got a general policy of lynching miller claims. I can respect that. How about a policy voting pact? If my RNG lynch is close to winning and your miller push isn't working, you vote for VA today?
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February 14 2015 11:30 GMT
#425
On February 14 2015 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 14 2015 20:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2015 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 14 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote:
So basically this is why I called rayn mafia. I'm reading the game backwards so I hadn't seen at the time the point where he actually does say it's a policy lynch.

On February 14 2015 17:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think hts is scum because townies do not fear getting copped.
They never should.


It is extremely scummy to try and justify policy lynches as something other than policy lynches. If we lynch HTS, it's a policy lynch for claiming miller. I personally hate millers claiming on day 1, and in theory agree with policy lynching them, recent games basically make it a dumb move to act on. I'm not saying we give HTS a pass, just that we ignore the claim and treat her like anyone else.

So I basically called rayn mafia because I believed he was trying to say HTS was mafia for something that absolutely does not make her mafia. It makes her the target of a policy lynch, and of course she might be mafia. But the claim is not a reason to call her mafia.

1) HTS claimed miller and therefore she is mafia <---- wrong
2) HTS claimed miller which is a mafia favored move so we should policy lynch her <--- right

That's the difference. Trying to make policy lynch something it isn't basically makes rayn mafia.

The problem is, I'm reading the game backwards so I hadn't seen on the previous page rayn actually calls it a policy lynch, which makes it much less bad.

The bolded is what i am saying.


ok I get it you got a general policy of lynching miller claims. I can respect that. How about a policy voting pact? If my RNG lynch is close to winning and your miller push isn't working, you vote for VA today?

No chance i am voting for VA, he is town.


Didn't you see the part where I RNGed him? He must be scum, RNG says so and it's right 100% of the time, 30% of the time in this setup.
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February 14 2015 11:31 GMT
#428
On February 14 2015 20:30 Blazinghand wrote:
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On February 14 2015 20:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 14 2015 20:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 14 2015 20:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 14 2015 20:22 Palmar wrote:
So basically this is why I called rayn mafia. I'm reading the game backwards so I hadn't seen at the time the point where he actually does say it's a policy lynch.

On February 14 2015 17:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I think hts is scum because townies do not fear getting copped.
They never should.


It is extremely scummy to try and justify policy lynches as something other than policy lynches. If we lynch HTS, it's a policy lynch for claiming miller. I personally hate millers claiming on day 1, and in theory agree with policy lynching them, recent games basically make it a dumb move to act on. I'm not saying we give HTS a pass, just that we ignore the claim and treat her like anyone else.

So I basically called rayn mafia because I believed he was trying to say HTS was mafia for something that absolutely does not make her mafia. It makes her the target of a policy lynch, and of course she might be mafia. But the claim is not a reason to call her mafia.

1) HTS claimed miller and therefore she is mafia <---- wrong
2) HTS claimed miller which is a mafia favored move so we should policy lynch her <--- right

That's the difference. Trying to make policy lynch something it isn't basically makes rayn mafia.

The problem is, I'm reading the game backwards so I hadn't seen on the previous page rayn actually calls it a policy lynch, which makes it much less bad.

The bolded is what i am saying.


ok I get it you got a general policy of lynching miller claims. I can respect that. How about a policy voting pact? If my RNG lynch is close to winning and your miller push isn't working, you vote for VA today?

No chance i am voting for VA, he is town.


Didn't you see the part where I RNGed him? He must be scum, RNG says so and it's right 100% of the time, 30% of the time in this setup.


OK sorry this was adumb reply

better reply

"why do you think he's town? is it really just based on lame meta speculation that town VA is lazy, or is there something more to it? please be detailed and explain in yoru own words."
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February 14 2015 11:32 GMT
#430
On February 14 2015 20:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Where do you get the 30%?
There is 4 scum.


There's 5 scum: 4 mafia and 1 SK.
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February 15 2015 00:08 GMT
#729
So, guys. It looks like nobody can agree on any sort of wagon, right? I think it's fair to say that we're in a bit of a disarray. Palmar recently was talking about the importance of sheeping as a skill. You see, with 5 votes on 5 different wagons we're in a bad place. There's no clear town consensus or counterwagon forming, and everyone is pulling every which way trying to make things happen. If like, one scum votes one way then that wagon could jump into the lead or something, and it wouldn't be clear where people stand because none of these wagons are important enough yet (another reason why Majority Lynch is better than Plurality Lynch)... but most importantly, people seem afraid to sheep. Sheeping is important! It's a vital skill. Here, Palmar from the Past will tell you:

On March 12 2014 17:57 Palmar wrote:
A little point about this game:

It really, really proves the value of NOT GETTING LYNCHED as town. For some reason staying alive, just like sheeping, is a pretty devalued skill in mafia. Everyone wants to focus on amazing reads and shit, and while those are great, the main job of any townie can simply be to not get lynched. If townies don't get lynched town wins the game by default.

On February 03 2015 00:23 Palmar wrote:
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On February 02 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote:
HTS was pretty towny d1 especially early part when I was talking to her with rsoultin not sure what was going on with that lol.

While I'm on the topic of underrated skillsets, HTS has an amazing ability look town when she is. She is just so painfully obviously town that it makes the game so much easier.

Like for some reason everyone seems to think the be-all end-all townplayer skill in mafia is to figure out who is mafia, when in reality it's only one of half a dozen or so very important skills that can't exist without each other.

The ability to convince, the ability to be townread, the ability to sheep when needed, the ability to control atmosphere and focus discussion etc etc etc.

This game was actually a very good example of how unimportant actually figuring out who the mafia is can be. If you polled people in this game, more than half of them would put me in the bottom half for performance as town here. But no one was more right on the mafia than I was this game. I literally tried to kill 3 people day 1 and those were the mafia. However:

I was not useful for direction/focus/atmosphere
I couldn't convince anyone to follow me
Half the players thought I was mafia.

I agree! I didn't play this game well at all. And of the two things I did right, only one of them was actually really good, and it wasn't the fact that I went after the entire mafia team. In the end my willingness to sheep Damdred's case and thus make a good judgement call is something I'm far more happy about than being right.

So yeah, don't sleep on players even if they are wrong sometimes. The #1 priority of any town player is to not get lynched.


So as you can see, we have problems in this thread because our votes are all over the place. People are focussed too much on trying to look good (for example, numerous peoples' extremely wrongheaded attack on my RNG) or like, trying to hunt scum or something, when they should be focused on constructing a solid town discourse. I propose we focus this discourse around my wagon on Vayne. It's the largest wagon by a good amount, and on top of that, despite his protestations Vayne isn't contributing. Oh, he might, and if he's town I'm sure he'll pick things up, but it's not like we lose anything by lynching him, or pushing a lynch on him. Think about all the people who have come out of the woodwork to attack my case, or even worse, to ignore it utterly. What's the agenda here? Clearly scum are afraid. Afraid of the glory of RNG.

Now, maybe you have your own cases, or your own ideas, and that's fine. I appreciate that. Maybe that one-vote case on rayn or whatever could be a thing. But right now, we need to focus on the task at hand, which is sheeping me and voting Vayne. It's our best chance to unify this town onto a solid goal, which is lynching according to RNG.

Vote Vayne, lynch him for unity and because you understand that sheeping me is an underrated skill.

any questions?
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February 15 2015 00:30 GMT
#738
On February 15 2015 09:29 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 15 2015 09:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
rayn when you read this tell me how similar you find BH to his persona as Old Partner in golden sun. when I read his posts I feel like he is talking to other people and having a laugh. Reminds me of that game with how forced he is pushing this agenda with these long awful posts

Are you saying BH is Mafia by meta?

Sounds like it to me, but of course without examples or a real case. Just words.
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February 15 2015 01:38 GMT
#758
On February 15 2015 10:19 rsoultin wrote:
Also:

##unvote

BH, how does sheeping being a skill translate to sheeping you being a skill?


I'm the natural choice. I've made a solid case and gathered support for it. Nobody else has a read or a case with my level of conviction.
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February 15 2015 01:55 GMT
#766
On February 15 2015 10:53 Town Puppy wrote:
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On February 15 2015 10:38 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:19 rsoultin wrote:
Also:

##unvote

BH, how does sheeping being a skill translate to sheeping you being a skill?


I'm the natural choice. I've made a solid case and gathered support for it. Nobody else has a read or a case with my level of conviction.

Yeah, but I made up for it with a case that is qualitatively better than "random vote that I push like it isn't one."

how many votes you got boyo

On February 15 2015 10:51 prplhz wrote:
@BlazingHand

If you have the only good case in the thread, isn't it really suspicious that people like raynpelikoneet and Palmar aren't paying much attention to it? What do you make of that?


nope
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February 15 2015 02:12 GMT
#776
The VA lynch is most likely at this point. I commend myself for once again succeeding at RNG!
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February 15 2015 09:10 GMT
#830
when VA flips scum you'll all apologise
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February 15 2015 16:35 GMT
#888
Palmar's town for the big play. The case isn't particularly amazing, but rayn's lack of a response tells me more than the case does. Palmar tends to be lazy as any alignment but I get the feeling that he really tried to be a good town today with the case. I still prefer VA but I'll wait to see what Rayn has to say before passing final judgment.
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February 15 2015 16:36 GMT
#889
Also Rayn isn't a "oh, don't worry he'll get shot" guy in a game that has me and Palmar. If he were on his own, sure. But he's not N1 material
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February 15 2015 17:27 GMT
#915
On February 16 2015 02:05 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 16 2015 01:35 Blazinghand wrote:
Palmar's town for the big play. The case isn't particularly amazing, but rayn's lack of a response tells me more than the case does. Palmar tends to be lazy as any alignment but I get the feeling that he really tried to be a good town today with the case. I still prefer VA but I'll wait to see what Rayn has to say before passing final judgment.


Does your preference for VA have anything to do with his play at all, BH?


no
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February 15 2015 18:11 GMT
#955
I'm not sure I actually understand this KSC case. prplhz, breshke: what fascinates you about it?
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February 15 2015 18:14 GMT
#958
On February 16 2015 03:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Mostly caught up.

I'm definitely willing to lynch Rayn at this point, possibly FF depending on his response to my latest post.

I'm not particularly impressed with BH right now suggesting to stick to his RNG method. I can understand if he was using PoE in conjunction or some other reason to scumread VA, but you have at least a few people townreading VA, and unless I missed it, BH hasn't given any reads until just recently (Palmar and implying on Rayn), which also bugs me, I mean if he were that married to his RNG vote, he could have gotten reads off people sheeping or not sheeping his vote. I mean he really hasn't tried to do anything with it and now I think we're I think less than 12h from lynch.


Yeah let's see if you're singing that tune when VA flips scum. Look, objectively speakign the arguments for it now is as good as they ever were. Do you see a better wagon out there? No? yeah, I thought so.
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February 15 2015 18:17 GMT
#962
On February 16 2015 03:15 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 16 2015 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah let's see if you're singing that tune when VA flips scum. Look, objectively speakign the arguments for it now is as good as they ever were. Do you see a better wagon out there? No? yeah, I thought so.


BH, that's the same thing you've said before. You don't seem to be observing how this game is changing.
If I had to vote this very instant, I'd vote Rayn.


You don't like his response to the Palmar case, right? Ok, but are you really more than 30% sure he's scum? Town doesn't lynch scum d1 30% of the time, and I'm offering a 30% scumlynch. I think the Rayn case sounds nice in your head but if you thought about it for a whiel you'd realize, yeah, sometimes cases like that happen on townies. only RNg is pure
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February 15 2015 18:40 GMT
#970
On February 16 2015 03:33 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 16 2015 03:17 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:15 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah let's see if you're singing that tune when VA flips scum. Look, objectively speakign the arguments for it now is as good as they ever were. Do you see a better wagon out there? No? yeah, I thought so.


BH, that's the same thing you've said before. You don't seem to be observing how this game is changing.
If I had to vote this very instant, I'd vote Rayn.


You don't like his response to the Palmar case, right? Ok, but are you really more than 30% sure he's scum? Town doesn't lynch scum d1 30% of the time, and I'm offering a 30% scumlynch. I think the Rayn case sounds nice in your head but if you thought about it for a whiel you'd realize, yeah, sometimes cases like that happen on townies. only RNg is pure


BH, I was scumreading Rayn before Palmar posted his case, but Palmar's case makes it more likely.

I understand why you are arguing in favour of RNG, but do you have anything on top of this? Do you have a substantial (non-RNG) reason to be reading VA scum. What if your RNG vote had landed on a player that everyone was later scumreading for reasons unrelated to RNG?

This is what I don't understand. 30% scumlynch also means that there's still a 70% chance we still lynch town. I am not seeing a way for you to narrow the pool to further increase those odds.


The fact of the matter is that VA has literally posted nothing of value this entire game. What kind of case would I wrote on the dude? I tried to fabricate some kind of fake case but the dude literally isn't posting. He's probably like scum or something and doesn't want to bother fighting an RNG lynch (the normal scum response)

Here, take like 150 seconds and read his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?user=VayneAuthority

his only "read" is a really really vague scumread on me, and then he says this when called out on it:
On February 15 2015 09:32 VayneAuthority wrote:
im just opening a discussion with a particular person that was in that game on what he thinks about it


There's nothing there. Vayneauthority is a shade, a wisp of mist, a shadow. He doesn't exist. You want me to write a case against him? There's no "him" to write a case against! He's nothing, a nobody. Let's MAKE him nothing. If he doesn't want to play the game, we can accommodate him. Lynch him.

That's the only case I can write against someone who has opted out of this game's discourse as VA has.

And honestly, it's not really better than the RNG case, because the RNG case is glorious and legendary.

Read Vayne's filter, and read Rayn's filter. Which of these two has a chance of being maybe helpful? I think we both know that vayne is the better lynch here. Get those Palmar stars out of your eyes and see the truth. VA needs to die.

RNG has decreed it. So has it been rolled, so let be done.
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February 15 2015 18:44 GMT
#973
On February 16 2015 03:44 KelsierSC wrote:
I made a case on prplhz and BH in my big post that I would urge people to go and read and give their thoughts on. Especially my case on prpl.

also prp my question still remains unanswered. If my thread entry was so "terrible" why did you let it slide for so long and only come at me when other people started calling me scum.



is your "case" on me that I'm pushing RNG?
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February 15 2015 18:46 GMT
#978
On February 16 2015 03:45 KelsierSC wrote:
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On February 16 2015 03:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:44 KelsierSC wrote:
I made a case on prplhz and BH in my big post that I would urge people to go and read and give their thoughts on. Especially my case on prpl.

also prp my question still remains unanswered. If my thread entry was so "terrible" why did you let it slide for so long and only come at me when other people started calling me scum.



is your "case" on me that I'm pushing RNG?


luckily we have a filter system so you can go and look at what I wrote previously


I read it. I just want you to definitely say it here for people who are too lazy to read your post (link) which I will note came somewhat after a post attacking VA (link)
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February 15 2015 18:47 GMT
#979
On February 16 2015 03:46 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 16 2015 03:37 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:32 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:27 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:21 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:08 IAmRobik wrote:
rsoultin, what do you think of my claim that your posts make me want to take a gun to my face.

1) your post about pyp is dumb
2) your post emphasizing "said" to prplhz made me vomit. Legitimately went to the bathroom and puked my brains out because of how fucking dumb it was.

Is there a point where you start saying intelligent things that at least give the appearance like you're playing the game or trying to solve or, or if you're mafia, trying to con people into thinking you're doing those two things. Because otherwise I'll just have to ignore your posts as they provide 0 fucking insight other than to piss me off


Lol, I don't give a shit? Is there a point to this post at all, especially the last paragraph? xP

yes. to fucking get you to stop posting dumb shit and start playing the fucking game


Mhm. Well, that's super helpful there, Robik. Tell me how it's dumb and maybe I can change, but as it stands, I see nothing dumb in saying that a sudden read change based on a post that is demonstrably untrue (and I know Palmar less than the rest of y'all) looks scummy to me.

Now, you're entitled to your own opinions, so if you really think BH is the better lynch, show me why.

1) Prove it's untrue
2) You admit that other people know him better, so why is it SOOOO FUCKING SHOCKING TO YOU that people would change their read, when MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT YOUR WRONG


Already have ^^ You're boring me.

That thread you linked for BH? Clearly not the same situation, as he was scumreading you for things other than just the RNG. Got anything better?


Robik is literally actually just trying to get me lynched because I banned him about a month ago. He's unbelievably salty about it. if you ask him he'll admit to it too, I'm sure.
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February 15 2015 18:55 GMT
#982
On February 16 2015 03:51 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 18:01 KelsierSC wrote:
[...]
On February 15 2015 09:29 VayneAuthority wrote:
rayn when you read this tell me how similar you find BH to his persona as Old Partner in golden sun. when I read his posts I feel like he is talking to other people and having a laugh. Reminds me of that game with how forced he is pushing this agenda with these long awful posts


This is how I feel about BH at the moment. He had his RNG fun and pushed maths at us. Then again he pushed mechanics with his "lets consolidate wagons." But his solution is just to go back to his RNG lynch. I don't see any game solving or mind blowing posts despite their long length so I think BH could be scum here.

[...]


This point against BH I really like, though, KSC. It caught my attention when he first posted about wagon consolidation, too.


Of course the solution is RNG lynch, it's the best lynch. Didn't you guys read anything ._.
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February 15 2015 18:55 GMT
#984
On February 16 2015 03:55 KelsierSC wrote:
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On February 16 2015 03:46 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:44 KelsierSC wrote:
I made a case on prplhz and BH in my big post that I would urge people to go and read and give their thoughts on. Especially my case on prpl.

also prp my question still remains unanswered. If my thread entry was so "terrible" why did you let it slide for so long and only come at me when other people started calling me scum.



is your "case" on me that I'm pushing RNG?


luckily we have a filter system so you can go and look at what I wrote previously


I read it. I just want you to definitely say it here for people who are too lazy to read your post (link) which I will note came somewhat after a post attacking VA (link)


The case is you have these long forced posts where you hide behind mechanics. You try and traffic cop this game with posts like "hey guys we need to consolidate" but at no point have you put any effort in to figuring out the game.

you have also now tried to discredit my case on you from saying "oh you mad a case on meafter a case on VA" the case about VA was my first opening read based on his reaction, then basically a day later I made a case on you that is more developed after I read the game thoroughly.

You have now also tried to discredit Robik with his "oh he is salty that I banned him" which seems kind of pathetic from you.



dude ask Robik he's literally salty cause i banned him, he'll tell you
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February 15 2015 18:57 GMT
#986
On February 16 2015 03:56 IAmRobik wrote:
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On February 16 2015 03:47 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:46 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:37 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:32 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:27 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:21 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 03:08 IAmRobik wrote:
rsoultin, what do you think of my claim that your posts make me want to take a gun to my face.

1) your post about pyp is dumb
2) your post emphasizing "said" to prplhz made me vomit. Legitimately went to the bathroom and puked my brains out because of how fucking dumb it was.

Is there a point where you start saying intelligent things that at least give the appearance like you're playing the game or trying to solve or, or if you're mafia, trying to con people into thinking you're doing those two things. Because otherwise I'll just have to ignore your posts as they provide 0 fucking insight other than to piss me off


Lol, I don't give a shit? Is there a point to this post at all, especially the last paragraph? xP

yes. to fucking get you to stop posting dumb shit and start playing the fucking game


Mhm. Well, that's super helpful there, Robik. Tell me how it's dumb and maybe I can change, but as it stands, I see nothing dumb in saying that a sudden read change based on a post that is demonstrably untrue (and I know Palmar less than the rest of y'all) looks scummy to me.

Now, you're entitled to your own opinions, so if you really think BH is the better lynch, show me why.

1) Prove it's untrue
2) You admit that other people know him better, so why is it SOOOO FUCKING SHOCKING TO YOU that people would change their read, when MULTIPLE PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT YOUR WRONG


Already have ^^ You're boring me.

That thread you linked for BH? Clearly not the same situation, as he was scumreading you for things other than just the RNG. Got anything better?


Robik is literally actually just trying to get me lynched because I banned him about a month ago. He's unbelievably salty about it. if you ask him he'll admit to it too, I'm sure.

you rolled mafia this game. not my fault


then vote me bro. what you scared?
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February 15 2015 18:58 GMT
#991
On February 16 2015 03:58 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 16 2015 03:40 Blazinghand wrote:
The fact of the matter is that VA has literally posted nothing of value this entire game. What kind of case would I wrote on the dude? I tried to fabricate some kind of fake case but the dude literally isn't posting. He's probably like scum or something and doesn't want to bother fighting an RNG lynch (the normal scum response)

[...]

Read Vayne's filter, and read Rayn's filter. Which of these two has a chance of being maybe helpful? I think we both know that vayne is the better lynch here. Get those Palmar stars out of your eyes and see the truth. VA needs to die.

RNG has decreed it. So has it been rolled, so let be done.


I see what you're getting at here, but what are your thoughts on the meta read on him? Both of you are relative vets, somewhere along the way you had have to have come across playing him.

D1, he's pretty useless in general. I pushed him for the exact same reasons in NYE, got him lynched, he flipped town. He was also pretty useless in Void until I flipped scum D2. Only when something happens, it appears he'll do something as town. I mean if you want to policy lynch him, that's fine. But this goes back to my point that you aren't going further than RNG here.


I disagree with the meta read because it disagrees with my conclusion
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February 15 2015 18:59 GMT
#992
On February 16 2015 03:58 IAmRobik wrote:
I voted you like 40 pages back

##vote: blazinghand


took you long enough
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#994
So, just to be clear, nobody here actually thinks Vayne is useful. All you think is that he has a meta of not playing during D1 so he should be allowed to live. Well, there's no argument I can make against that. Follow the RNG for glory, or be left behind in the darkness.
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#1000
On February 16 2015 04:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 03:58 Blazinghand wrote:
I disagree with the meta read because it disagrees with my conclusion


And again, you are telling me jack all about VA besides RNG or even why the meta is wrong.

I'm going to add BH to my lovely list of lynchables.


The meta isn't wrong, it just has the wrong conclusion. You want me to lie and tell you the meta is wrong and make up a reason? I could, but that's not possible. Also, how can I tell you about VA when he's like, not even playing this game? Read his filter. Seriously.
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February 15 2015 19:09 GMT
#1001
OY STOP LYNCHING ME NOOBS
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February 15 2015 19:10 GMT
#1003
Ok don't lynch me, I'm the jailkeeper
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February 15 2015 19:11 GMT
#1004
yeah what now
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February 15 2015 19:13 GMT
#1006
On February 16 2015 04:13 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 04:10 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok don't lynch me, I'm the jailkeeper


You're claiming 10h before EoD with the wagons still forming?
I'd think you'd know better...


unvote me now
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February 15 2015 19:14 GMT
#1007
Here's my crumb: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757767

R C P = Record Player = LP Player = LPP = Lord Percy Percy the Jailkeeper

note that I say "crumb" in this post
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February 15 2015 19:15 GMT
#1008
so are we unvoting me or what
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February 15 2015 19:19 GMT
#1010
first letters of each sentence are RC P. Record Player = LP Player (look up what LP is if you're too young) = LPP = Lord Percy Percy

it's very striaghtforward for a BH crumb
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February 15 2015 19:21 GMT
#1011
so, time to unvote me and apologise for doubting me, yes?
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February 15 2015 19:23 GMT
#1013
oh come on.
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February 15 2015 19:24 GMT
#1015
On February 16 2015 04:23 Half the Sky wrote:
Not only don't I follow the crumb, but I can't follow why you'd claim with this much time to go. You have plenty of time to read the game and propose an alternate target. You brought up Palmar and Rayn in a post before. Claiming an hour before lynch, sure. But 10 hours?

I can see a new player doing this but you?


Bah, read through any of my claims, I typically claim halfway through D1. It's the best strategy imo
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February 15 2015 19:25 GMT
#1020
On February 16 2015 04:25 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, vinyl records? Yes, I am very much too young for those xP

What do you think about VA coming back into the thread just to vote you? Seriously, forget the RNG for right now; I just want an honest answer.


honestly he's a lazy ass and could do this as town, but I'll be glad to pretend it's scum-motivated if it'll get you to vote him
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February 15 2015 19:32 GMT
#1025
On February 16 2015 04:31 VayneAuthority wrote:
isnt the jailkeeper lord percy a mafia role?


"oh, look at me, I'm VA and can't possibly be mafia because I'm pretending not to know which roles are mafia"

nobody's buying it sonny
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February 15 2015 19:34 GMT
#1031
On February 16 2015 04:34 KelsierSC wrote:
isn't it just terrible to claim here ?


It's such a terrible time to claim that no scum player would ever do it, so I'm town. As you can see, I'm thinking 2 meta levels above the typical player, so, um, get on my level?
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February 15 2015 19:39 GMT
#1036
On February 16 2015 04:39 KelsierSC wrote:
can you explain your reasons


well, he can, but don't hold your breath.
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February 15 2015 22:06 GMT
#1117
Tp if you're faking as town you should unclaim now plz

If you're scum I find this trade acceptable
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February 15 2015 22:19 GMT
#1120
Half the Sky, prplhz, LightningStrike, KelsierSC, ritoky, VayneAuthority, Breshke, and anyone else who votes me going forwards.

Here's what I want from you. I'm okay with you voting me. I'm fine with that. But you must, absolutely, 100% commit to lynching Town Puppy when I flip Jailkeeper. Since You're evidently choosing to believe TP over me and also that there can't be 2 JKs, you MUST lynch Town Puppy. I want you to explicitly promise that, should I flip JK, you will lynch Town Puppy. Can you do that for me? You're all clearly not competent enough to recognize my townplay, but there must be some spark of intelligence in there that wont' let Town Puppy get away with this after the fact, right? Will you do that for me?
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February 15 2015 22:19 GMT
#1121
On February 16 2015 07:18 IAmRobik wrote:
I wish Eden was townier so I could more easily believe his claim. I mean, I love me some BH lynch, but why couldn't it be from someone townier than eden


People are stupid and will lynch me first anyways. Robik, can you make sure Town Puppy gets lynched after I flip JK and doesn't wriggle out of it?
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February 15 2015 22:20 GMT
#1123
On February 16 2015 07:20 liancourt wrote:
whats happening


I claimed JK with a crumb. town puppy counterclaimed without a crumb, and now people have come out of the woodworks to vote me. After I flip JK, make sure town puppy gets lynched.
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February 15 2015 22:23 GMT
#1125
On February 16 2015 07:22 ritoky wrote:
now that BH made the list of people I am voting with, I don't like where my vote is.

maybe I should just sheep my two town reads.

also BH you're good at maffz, can you plug the #'s into the CHUPAZITRON 40000 and tell me the odds of rolling 2 JKs?

[image loading]


The odds of rolling 2 JKs are significantly lower than the odds of TP just deciding to counterclaim me. I'm 95% sure that TP is scum, and of the 5% chance he's town there's a decent chance he's just a really stupid VT and not actually a JK. It's possible, I suppose, in theory, that he's really a JK. But he's not.
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February 15 2015 22:24 GMT
#1126
Not that it'll do any good but

##unvote
##vote TP
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February 15 2015 22:28 GMT
#1131
On February 16 2015 07:25 Breshke wrote:
Why would eden go for a 1 for 1 trade there

Because, the fact of the matter is that most of you are pretty incompetent. After I flip JK you're not going to lynch Eden (who I assume is town puppy from context). There's also, again, a small chance that eden has a strong scumread on me for whatever reason and decided to fakeclaim JK as VT. However, I'm very worried you're not going to lynch Eden.

Besides, that question applies to me, too. I wasn't under real pressure when I claimed, and there aren't a lot of possibilities for blue roles-- town almost certainly has a JK. If I'm scum, I KNOW I'm gonna get CCed as JK, so why claim for no reason and expose myself?
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February 15 2015 22:29 GMT
#1135
On February 16 2015 07:28 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:25 Breshke wrote:
Why would eden go for a 1 for 1 trade there

cause he doesn't like rolling mafia

ah, I didn't know this about Eden. If that's true then that's a strong reason for you guys to lynch him first. Obviously I prefer lynching him first but I'm generally assuming, again, this town is a bunch of disorganized lost people who need someone to sheep and will lynch me for no coherent reason
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February 15 2015 22:31 GMT
#1137
On February 16 2015 07:30 KelsierSC wrote:
If you weren't under any pressure then why did you claim?
There was a lot of pressure on you as far as I'm aware.



I had 3 votes and was 10 hours out from the deadline. Not a useful time to claim. Read the thread buddy.

In any case, I ALWAYS claim when I'm blue like 12-24 hours out from the deadline during D1. I do this almost eveyr game as blue. It's not unusual AT ALL. ask anyone who has played a game with me.
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February 15 2015 22:32 GMT
#1138
BTW, nobody who is voting me has explicitly committed to lynching Town Puppy when I flip JK. What's wrong, guys? If your'e admitting there could be 2x JKs then you need to unvote me, or if you think there's only one why not commit to lynching TP when I flip JK?
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February 15 2015 22:34 GMT
#1141
On February 16 2015 07:33 KelsierSC wrote:
Yeh I read the thread , I was there I think there was a lot of pressure on you.

If it isn't a super useful time to claim then I'm confused why you do it? Doesn't matter because you are mafia


I always do it as town, that's my meta, that should be good enough for your low level confusion. I see you're STILL avoiding committing to lynching TP if I flip JK. why is that, KSC? Is it because TP is your scumbuddy and you don't want to commit to it yet? Is it because you know I'll flip JK? What are you so afraid of?
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February 15 2015 22:36 GMT
#1142
Everyone who voted me then buggered off when I asked for commitments about lynching TP after I flip. What's the deal? What are you afraid of?
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February 15 2015 22:38 GMT
#1144
On February 16 2015 07:37 Breshke wrote:
if you flip JK of course ill be lynching eden it goes without saying. A VT claim from him after you flip would be fucking retarded.

Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:28 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:25 Breshke wrote:
Why would eden go for a 1 for 1 trade there

cause he doesn't like rolling mafia


Are you making this up? I've played mafia with eden and he didn't seem too unhappy about it.



Anyone else man enough to commit explicitly?
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February 15 2015 22:42 GMT
#1149
On February 16 2015 07:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:34 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:33 KelsierSC wrote:
Yeh I read the thread , I was there I think there was a lot of pressure on you.

If it isn't a super useful time to claim then I'm confused why you do it? Doesn't matter because you are mafia


I always do it as town, that's my meta, that should be good enough for your low level confusion. I see you're STILL avoiding committing to lynching TP if I flip JK. why is that, KSC? Is it because TP is your scumbuddy and you don't want to commit to it yet? Is it because you know I'll flip JK? What are you so afraid of?


Obviously tp gets lynched if your town. But you are not town so it is irrelevant.

On February 16 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:
If you flip JK BH I will put the puppy in the pound (Lynching him).
Ritoky why not go for the good lynch today?



2 commitments. I approve. I will respond to questions and provide reads you ask for for the rest of the day

And the rest of you? Are you still too cowardly?
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#1150
On February 16 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:
BH you say we are bad because we don't realize this is your town game but wouldn't you push your RNG lynch no matter your alignment. What makes THIS your town game?


I don't RNG as scum.
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#1151
On February 16 2015 07:43 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:42 Breshke wrote:
BH you say we are bad because we don't realize this is your town game but wouldn't you push your RNG lynch no matter your alignment. What makes THIS your town game?


I don't RNG as scum.


Actually, more accurately, I haven't RNGed as scum. I suppose if I were scum and in the right mood I might. But RNG makes people want to lynch me and it's hard to dodge the noose as scum since you're lying about it, see?
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#1157
On February 16 2015 07:49 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:20 liancourt wrote:
whats happening


I claimed JK with a crumb. town puppy counterclaimed without a crumb, and now people have come out of the woodworks to vote me. After I flip JK, make sure town puppy gets lynched.


any chance of 2 jks? there can be multiple millers why not 2 jks?


Dude I'm on the balance team and let met ell you: 2 milliers is not NEARLY as useful as 2 JKs lol
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#1164
On February 16 2015 07:56 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:55 liancourt wrote:
so what made BH claim in the first place?


Some people say pressure, BH says he always claims when he is blue

I mean, technically there was some pressure, but my strategy as blue is to claim when there's 3 or so votes rather than waiting for things to get out of control. This is what I do historically
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February 15 2015 23:00 GMT
#1166
On February 16 2015 07:55 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 07:51 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:49 liancourt wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:20 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:20 liancourt wrote:
whats happening


I claimed JK with a crumb. town puppy counterclaimed without a crumb, and now people have come out of the woodworks to vote me. After I flip JK, make sure town puppy gets lynched.


any chance of 2 jks? there can be multiple millers why not 2 jks?


Dude I'm on the balance team and let met ell you: 2 milliers is not NEARLY as useful as 2 JKs lol


this kinda assumes a constructed setup vs rng setup. could just be the case where town gets x town roles. rng which roles-> 1 = x, 2=y, 3=z, 4=a, 5=b; and rolled a # multiple times.

setup wifom, the wifomyest kind of wifom


I wouldn't even ALLOW for a setup where you could have 2x JK normally even if it were unlikely RNGed. like if you roll JK, it's removed from the lsit. That being said, I see how another host MIGHT use such a setup, hence the very small chance I alot for the 2x jK theory. But Eden is scum.
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February 15 2015 23:01 GMT
#1168
On February 16 2015 07:59 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 04:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Here's my crumb: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757767

R C P = Record Player = LP Player = LPP = Lord Percy Percy the Jailkeeper

note that I say "crumb" in this post


that's a very elaborate crumb there


All my crumbs are elaborate. This is probably one of my least elaborate crumbs, I was worried people would call me on that
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#1192
On February 16 2015 08:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
If anyone actually thinks BH is town, read this game http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/427569-golden-sun-the-broken-seal-mini-mafia

He is old partner and does literally the same exact thing he's done here. Fakes a role and makes up some absurd crumb and he almost gets away with it too here. I remember because we were lol'ing hard in scum QT.


oh come on are you kidding me? yeah, I've done this once as scum, but i also do this as town. Look at ANY of my blue games!

On November 14 2012 07:44 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm the Jailkeeper. My crumb is in the post where I talk about my large penis and how it could work as a "pad" (link)-- for pad-lock, lock, locked up, jail, jailkeeper. Admittedly, role crumbs aren't much supporting evidence, but lynching a claimed blue D1 is amazingly bad play. It's possible there's no scum roleblocker which means my power can still be of use to us.

You all have plenty of time to unvote me and vote Z-B before the day ends.


this is just HOW I crumb roles. Yes, it's also how I fake crumb roles as scum, but by jove that's because I'm a good scum player and know how to imitate my town play, not because it's a scumtell!
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#1194
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/434275-tl-mafia-lxiii-time-to-die?page=92#1825

On November 17 2013 04:29 Blazinghand wrote:
MYJ is a transposition of MJY. MJY is the initials of the famous bw player savior, so that night I saved Velinath

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=371260&currentpage=58#1150

beggar man is from John le Carre's Tinker Tailor soldier Spy. As the rhyme goes, tinker tailor soldier sailor and so on and the "beggar man" is the code name for a guy who did not turn out to be the mole, hence was innocent, so i'm crumbing a green check

you clearly don't even understand the level i crumb on



SEE YOU GUYS THIS IS JUST HOW I CRUMB. THIS IS HOW I CRUMB AS TOWN. If I crumb this way as scum, it's because I'm a good player as scum too, not because weird crumbs are a scumtell. VA is deliberately misleading or just bad/wrong because I did something ONCE as scum it means I NEVER do it as town? Are you kidding me? ugh.
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#1195
Like, this is why I don't trust anyone's meta reads. Here's a lesson for you new kids about meta: you need to look at the counterexample. For example, say we say "Blazinghand is always spammy as scum". Well, guess what, that's true, but I'm also spammy as town. Or, "Blazinghand makes claims as scum" well, sure, I've fakeclaimed as scum, but that doesn't mean that every time I claim I'm scum. In fact, 90% of the time that I claim, I'm town.

ALSO, look at it this way. This is a 17player setup with 5 scum-- town obviously has a good number of PRs. Town has only 4 types of PR, and JK is like the only active saver, so town DEFINITELY has a JK. If I'm scum, why would I claim JK? If I'm scum, I KNOW there's a JK somewhere out there, and I KNOW I'm gonna get CCed. I was under some pressure, sure, but if I were really scum I'd wait until later with the claim when tehre wasn't time for a CC. Jesus christ people, think about it for a moment. Just because I claimed first doesn't make me scum; as scum I'd be anticipating a CC.
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February 16 2015 00:14 GMT
#1196
On February 16 2015 09:09 liancourt wrote:
I still don't understand why the real JK would CC when it means certain death for him.


THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING ME
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#1198
Ugh, I hope Palmar or Rayn gets on soon so I have someone on my level to talk to. You guys will listen to them, right?
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#1202
Thanks Breshke.

What is it with a bunch of shady people showing up, voting me, then leaving when I defend myself? What's wrong with you people?
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#1207
On February 16 2015 09:41 IAmRobik wrote:
****I WANT TO MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR SO I'M TYPING IT IN CAPS LOCK AND SURROUNDED BY ASTERISKS*****

IF BOTH BH AND EDEN ARE TOWN, LIAN IS SCUM FOR HOW HE IS PLAYING THIS WHOLE FLIPPY FLOPPY SHIT


This is very smart and a good thought. It's one I had, but I'd have saved it for like, probably right before the flip in case other people tried to get on board.

That being said I think it's pretty unlikely town has double JK. That would be way too strong.
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#1209
On February 16 2015 09:49 liancourt wrote:
its scum favored already with that SK anyway, why not 2 JKs lol

SK is slightly scum-favored but is also anti-swing. 2 JKs is really really strong though compared to 1 JK. If you're scum and shooting into a town of 13 players, 1 JK means that your 1 KP goes through like 94% of the tiime. If there are 2 JKs, though, your KP goes through only like 86% of the time or something, assuming they don't overlap. However, since JKs have a certain chance to also RB the KP deliverer, or the vigi if you're delivering a vigi shot as scum, they're even more dangerous.

Also from a balance perspective beyond just who wins, you want scum to feel that their KP is fairly reliable as a tool for removing townies. 2 JKs unlikely.
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#1210
btw anti-swing means "helps the losing team" becasue eventually sk may shoot into scum if they start winning
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#1227
On February 16 2015 10:28 liancourt wrote:
I'm all for lynching someone besides BH and tp just to see who they claim to rb on day 2, but why me?


Though this plan would be good because it prevents me from being lynched today, what's to stop scum from not shooting me, RBing me and having TP/Eden claim RB also? We'd be in the same spot tomorrow. There's a chance scum would shoot me, but then we'd just autolynch TP/Eden, so not worth it for them, right
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#1228
On February 16 2015 10:28 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 10:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 16 2015 10:21 IAmRobik wrote:
I think I'd rather just lynch lian today

I'm in if you do it first

The problem is if one of them IS mafia, then lian is probably town for his flip flop

yeah. and if by some chance we're both town lian is scum
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February 16 2015 02:13 GMT
#1250
I've been paying attention to TP's play.

To an extent, I've been trying ot understand his claim. Why would he do that? It makes almost as little sense as me claiming JK as scum would. For me to claim and get put on the block like this as scum would be an error since I'm a skilled player and probably MVP of any scumteam I'm on. TP isn't as good so it might be more worth it, especially in a trade for me, but... why not just shoot me, as he said? No, the more I think about it, the more I realize that TP would have to be even more not-on-my-level to claim as he did.

But then I realized: TP is so obviously below my level, there's no way he's scum. His scum-team-mates wouldn't let him do this, and he wouldn't even try. A 1-for-1 would only count in a situation that's not where he would get lynched first (and that's where things are going; I'm a much better arguer than him). He and his scummates would KNOW that he's not on my level. They wouldn't try this.

The only explanation that makes sense is that... we must have 2 JKs. It's stupid and our hosts are awful for doing this, but even TP and his scummates must be aware how weak TP is comapred to me in terms of knowledge, skill, and convincing power. As a sacrificial lamb he's not cut out for this strat.

We're both town. We're both JKs. By admitting this, I am basically conceding that I'm going to get lynched, since I won't push him further and will unvote him. I won't succeed in convincing the 2 JK setup, because the only explanaiton for doulble JK is that the HOSTS aren't on my level. They don't know how to balance.

By stopping pushing TP, I am probably letting myself die.

But when I die and flip JK, don't lynch TP. He's also a JK.

When I flip, don't lynch him.

Liancourt knows we're both town. How? Well, he must be scum, and trying to profit after the 2nd one of us flips JK.

Liancourt is the scum. He knows too much. His knowledge doesn't make sense.

After I die, DO NOT lynch TP. lynch Liancourt.

TP is a JK.

Sigh.

##unvote
##vote Liancourt


Palmar, where are you?
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February 16 2015 02:22 GMT
#1256
TP, you'll thank me after I flip for my foresight-- whether gleefully as scum or sadly as town. You're not even close to on my level, either because you're so bad you CCed as scum when it made no sense, or you can't see the truth of this matter.
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February 16 2015 02:22 GMT
#1257
On February 16 2015 11:21 liancourt wrote:
you know BH if you didn't make that post i would have continued to fight your battles. That post just looked desperate.

Desperate scum.

##unvote
##vote BH


Everyone was is voting for TP is going to vote me. I know what's going to happen. I concede my death. All I ask is this: until I flip, treat me like conftown (still vote me, though) and discuss things with me. Fair?
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February 16 2015 02:24 GMT
#1258
Is anyone around who wants to talk? I'm in the middle of eating but am glad to discuss things. I should try to leave behind a corpus (pun intended) of knowledge so you guys can sheep me after the flip
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February 16 2015 02:30 GMT
#1261
On February 16 2015 11:28 IAmRobik wrote:
what do you wanna talk about BH?


Three big topics loom in my mind as important here.

Palmar/Rayn interaction and what we think of that

Breshke

Liancourt

You know what I think of Liancourt-- he knows too much. Given the double JK situation, he sets himself up "too perfectly" to look good coming out of it. No way he does that without pre-knowledge of the flips.

I think Palmar is town for his case on Rayn, but I don't buy into the case itself. rayn's response isn't great nor is his absenteeism though. I wouldn't trust rayn, I'd consider him lynchable.

What do you think of Breshke?
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February 16 2015 02:31 GMT
#1264
On February 16 2015 11:30 IAmRobik wrote:
BH, if we lynch Eden today and he flips JK, should we lynch you tomorrow?


We won't, so it's not a valid question. Anyone who pushes a lynch on Eden is the same as pushing a lynch on me. We're both JKs.
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February 16 2015 02:32 GMT
#1265
On February 16 2015 11:31 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 11:22 Blazinghand wrote:
TP, you'll thank me after I flip for my foresight-- whether gleefully as scum or sadly as town. You're not even close to on my level, either because you're so bad you CCed as scum when it made no sense, or you can't see the truth of this matter.

Oh believe me. Call me Marshawn Lynch Im so thankful. Thankful you had the foresight to breadcrumb my role but not the foresight to breadcrumb a role that wasn't in the game. Thanks to your breadcrumb I got to lynch scum d1. I am SO THANKFUL!


Pay attention to my next post. I submit to the will of the town. I will not contest my lynch. In return, I ask that you discuss things respectfully with me until the deadline. Is that fair?
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February 16 2015 02:33 GMT
#1268
On February 16 2015 11:32 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 11:30 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:28 IAmRobik wrote:
what do you wanna talk about BH?


Three big topics loom in my mind as important here.

Palmar/Rayn interaction and what we think of that

Breshke

Liancourt

You know what I think of Liancourt-- he knows too much. Given the double JK situation, he sets himself up "too perfectly" to look good coming out of it. No way he does that without pre-knowledge of the flips.

I think Palmar is town for his case on Rayn, but I don't buy into the case itself. rayn's response isn't great nor is his absenteeism though. I wouldn't trust rayn, I'd consider him lynchable.

What do you think of Breshke?

I really don't know what to think of Breshke.
I don't think Palmar case on Rayn is good because I don't think his flip flop was scummy, but Rayn's absence is scummy.
I was the one who proposed the Lian being scum if both of you are town, so you know my feelings on that. I really don't wanna read breshke right now though.


OK. So you know I'm a limited resource here. I have time for some filter dives or case reviews. Anyone you want me to look at?
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February 16 2015 02:34 GMT
#1270
On February 16 2015 11:32 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 11:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:30 IAmRobik wrote:
BH, if we lynch Eden today and he flips JK, should we lynch you tomorrow?


We won't, so it's not a valid question. Anyone who pushes a lynch on Eden is the same as pushing a lynch on me. We're both JKs.

You think there are two people named Lord Percy Percy in this game...?

Pretty sure that's bastard mod tier


It is. But I'm here to help and drive the discussion, so, bear with me. Pretend I'm town. Don't unvote me; just pretend i'm town and discuss things with me. What do you think of Breshke? Are there any cases you want me to review or people to talk about?
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February 16 2015 02:35 GMT
#1272
On February 16 2015 11:33 Town Puppy wrote:
BH what is the name of your role?


Not relevant. I'm getting lynched regardless. Ask me questions about reads and cases. For the record though, the name for my role is Lord Percy Percy.
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February 16 2015 02:37 GMT
#1275
On February 16 2015 11:34 IAmRobik wrote:
Eden sounds so fucking scummy. Every single one of his posts sounds so fucking fake. And his "oh what happened someone claimed? oh, omg bh claimed my role" puke. Also his participation this game has been whack as well. He should be mad that people are doubting him, but he doesn't seem that mad. He's still joking constantly and making sarcastic posts. I really think that he rolled mafia and wants out of the game. I'm sure that IRL circumstances are playing a part in this decision and I really think that he's scum. madofinadsoifnosdinfosidn


He's not getting lynched today, though. This town is awful: If we HAVE to lynch a JK, it should clearly be him and not me, but that's not possible. My lynch is unavoidable now, though. it's still entirely possible he's scum, but honestly I do not think we should lynch him tomorrow.
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February 16 2015 02:38 GMT
#1280
On February 16 2015 11:36 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 11:34 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:32 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:31 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:30 IAmRobik wrote:
BH, if we lynch Eden today and he flips JK, should we lynch you tomorrow?


We won't, so it's not a valid question. Anyone who pushes a lynch on Eden is the same as pushing a lynch on me. We're both JKs.

You think there are two people named Lord Percy Percy in this game...?

Pretty sure that's bastard mod tier


It is. But I'm here to help and drive the discussion, so, bear with me. Pretend I'm town. Don't unvote me; just pretend i'm town and discuss things with me. What do you think of Breshke? Are there any cases you want me to review or people to talk about?

Fecal.
And do you really think VA is scum or not?


I don't actually have any reason to believe VA is scum. Nothing he's done is alignment-indicative. Still, 30% is not bad; it's about as good as you can possibly get for an RNG lynch.

I'll read Fecal now.

On February 16 2015 11:36 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 11:34 IAmRobik wrote:
Eden sounds so fucking scummy. Every single one of his posts sounds so fucking fake. And his "oh what happened someone claimed? oh, omg bh claimed my role" puke. Also his participation this game has been whack as well. He should be mad that people are doubting him, but he doesn't seem that mad. He's still joking constantly and making sarcastic posts. I really think that he rolled mafia and wants out of the game. I'm sure that IRL circumstances are playing a part in this decision and I really think that he's scum. madofinadsoifnosdinfosidn

Lol you're next. You're in the background as always when you're mafia


So, what's the deal here TP? You gonna participate or not? You're making me think you're not town after all by clowning around rather than being productive.
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February 16 2015 02:39 GMT
#1283
On February 16 2015 11:37 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 11:35 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 11:33 Town Puppy wrote:
BH what is the name of your role?


Not relevant. I'm getting lynched regardless. Ask me questions about reads and cases. For the record though, the name for my role is Lord Percy Percy.

Sigh

I was vaguely hoping you misread. Oh well.

I think rso and Robik are mafia. Lian is probably town. Idk why people think he's mafia.


Tell me about your Liancourt townread. I'll tell you about my scumread. Liancourt has flipflopped on us, see? Now you know YOU are the JK, so you think he's just unsure. But imagine I'm ALSO the JK, see? Now Liancourt looks REALLY good after I die, then with my dying breath ask for YOUR death. He was the one who said "neither of them make sense as fakeclaimers" and he comes out looking town. But how would someone guess that unless they KNEW we were both town? Does that make sense?
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February 16 2015 02:43 GMT
#1286
brb like 30 minutes
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February 16 2015 02:43 GMT
#1287
leave questions for me so I can answer when I'm back
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February 16 2015 03:41 GMT
#1346
I'm back

On February 16 2015 12:37 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:36 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.

...um.

Someone help. I'm out if my element with flavor and this sounds big


Lord Percy Percy (Tim McInnerny) is the name given to a pair of related characters. (wiki)

Yup.


FFOOKIN A OK LET'S STOP LYNCHING ME THEN
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February 16 2015 03:44 GMT
#1352
Yeah honestly it's unfortunate this took so long to figure out cause I get the feeling I'm fucked. I'm commending the shit out of myself for figuring out we're both JKs without knowing about the Percy Percy thing though. I'm so next-level it's unreal. I know I kinda joke about being way better than your average player, but do any of you think that from my perspective you'd figure out that TP is town? Nah. I'm so damn good it's ridiculous.

So, like I said about liancourt, still think he's a good lynch. In case the VA thing isn't clear I don't want to lynch him today.

Anyone still voting me needs a serious explanation why.

I feel like I can live again.

I feel like I have a chance.
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February 16 2015 03:45 GMT
#1353
On February 16 2015 12:44 Town Puppy wrote:
Oh bull shit!

I was SO SURE
FUCK


You were only sure because you're not as good as I am. Damn I'm still like, super impressed with myself for figuring out you're also a JK. Everything in the game, including my OWN survival, was telling me to call you scum, but I'm just TOO TALENTED.
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February 16 2015 03:45 GMT
#1354
So look Eden/TP, liancourt clearly knew too much and was positioning himself to look too good. Why don't we kill him?
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February 16 2015 03:47 GMT
#1359
On February 16 2015 12:46 Superbia wrote:
I'm still reading a little. I'll have my mafia team on paper before EoD.


OK. are you willing to consolidate to avoid lynching me or TP? There are AFK people who aren't gonna move their vote, and scum pretending to be AFK on my wagon.
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February 16 2015 03:48 GMT
#1361
On February 16 2015 12:47 Superbia wrote:
Can anyone point me to the liancourt thing? I feel like I might've read over it.


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23768676
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February 16 2015 03:49 GMT
#1366
On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.


Like this is the host literally telling us that both TP/Eden and I are town. Anyone voting EITHER of us at the deadline is claiming scum.
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February 16 2015 03:50 GMT
#1367
On February 16 2015 12:49 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:44 Town Puppy wrote:
Oh bull shit!

I was SO SURE
FUCK


You were only sure because you're not as good as I am. Damn I'm still like, super impressed with myself for figuring out you're also a JK. Everything in the game, including my OWN survival, was telling me to call you scum, but I'm just TOO TALENTED.

My claim never made sense from mafia. if you HADN'T figured it out that would've been a travesty.

##UNVOTE


My claim didn't make sense either, but you weren't smart enough. You're an infant, mentally, compared to me. Don't worry, I'll lead you out of the darkness, child.
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February 16 2015 03:52 GMT
#1372
So I get that people want to lynch LightningStrike, but I think the points we've about liancourt are pretty dang legit. The fact of the matter is, Eden/TP and I are BOTH JKs. To ANY townie this would basically look like "one is blue, one is red" and the only person who would know we're both town-aligned is scum. Liancourt was angling to look really good after the 2nd one of us flipped JK.
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February 16 2015 03:53 GMT
#1374
On February 16 2015 12:52 Town Puppy wrote:
We're not lynching LightningStrike. I understand why he's being scumread but trust me on this please. He is the inspiration for my smurf name.

I would be ok with liancourt maybe. But I really think rsoultin is mafia. Notice how as soon as I called her mafia and pointed out that she wasn't being as detail-oriented about my claim as she had been earlier, she immediately decides I'm town, gives a really vague handwavey answer as to why, votes BH and then afk's. rso as town is far more intellectually curious than to peace out like that, she's far more uncertain than to just flip on a dime, and like I said, she's more detail-oriented than she was in evaluating my claim.

I think rso is the best pick.

##VOTE: rsoultin

I will consolidate with BH and friends to avoid either of us being lynched though.


I'll take a look at rsoultin's filter and weigh in. This could be suspicious.
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February 16 2015 03:53 GMT
#1375
On February 16 2015 12:53 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:50 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:49 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:44 Town Puppy wrote:
Oh bull shit!

I was SO SURE
FUCK


You were only sure because you're not as good as I am. Damn I'm still like, super impressed with myself for figuring out you're also a JK. Everything in the game, including my OWN survival, was telling me to call you scum, but I'm just TOO TALENTED.

My claim never made sense from mafia. if you HADN'T figured it out that would've been a travesty.

##UNVOTE


My claim didn't make sense either, but you weren't smart enough. You're an infant, mentally, compared to me. Don't worry, I'll lead you out of the darkness, child.

You were under pressure and folded way too fast son. It seemed pretty legit.

Although I will admit the breadcrumb was a mindfuck for me while I was working under the assumption you were scum


Your own inadequacies in understanding high-level players are clearly documented. Thanks
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February 16 2015 03:56 GMT
#1379
On February 16 2015 12:55 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I did double check Superbia's thing about Percy Percy and I can confirm what he said about them being a pair is true. So we got 2 blues claimed Day 1 hopefully they roleblock Mafia.


ALSO THE HOST SAID THIS:

On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.

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February 16 2015 03:57 GMT
#1382
TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts?

On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom

Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom

I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day.


I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol.

##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy

On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.

And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux.


I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now ><

Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol.
On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.

##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand


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February 16 2015 03:59 GMT
#1384
On February 16 2015 12:57 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:55 Town Puppy wrote:
Also pre-noming BH for Best Play if he flips mafia


Honestly this would be on Sent. I'm sure the mafia QT is quite livid right now. I also disagree with the intervention, but will save that for post-game.


Hey man, I'm not complaining! Sentinel made the decision to share that information with the thread and it would be irresponsible of us as townies not to use it as best we can. I'm very grateful. Scum are probably not pleased though since they lost 2 free mislynched lol
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February 16 2015 04:02 GMT
#1389
Updated Vote Count

BH (5) - Half the Sky, riVayneAuthority, liancourt, rsoultin, KelsierSC, prplhz
liancourt (3) - Blazinghand, iamrobik, lightningstrike
Town Puppy (2) -, Alakaslam, ritoky
raynpelikoneet (2) - Palmar, Fecalfeast
lightningstrike (1): superbia
rsoultin (1) - Town puppy
Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet


roughly speaking.

Half the Sky, VA, liancourt, rsoultin, KSC, prplhz, Slam, Ritoky a
re all currently voting for claimed blues who are as close to modconfirmed as we can get
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February 16 2015 04:06 GMT
#1390
On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts?

On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom

Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom

I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day.


I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol.

##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy

On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.

And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux.


I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now ><

Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol.
On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.

##unvote
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Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two.


This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught.

I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger.
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#1391
On February 16 2015 13:01 Fecalfeast wrote:
I just saw ritoky's post about me being uninvested I'm here now and catching up I was really hungover I do plan on playing for reals, I'm not even playing 2 games anymore


FECALFEAST

whatever you do, don't vote me or Town Pupp (aka Eden). We are both basically modconfirmed town due to mod shennigans. However, this is last-minute which means that there's substantial wagons on both of us (not much on TP any more) and we need to not be lynched since we are PRs. liancourt is probably the wagon of choice here.
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#1392
On February 16 2015 12:59 Superbia wrote:
It was sent who saved town. Not me. I simply investigated his out-of-nowhere post. I'm town for being town and providing you with the list of mafia (coming soon, promise!). Not for googling "Lord Percy Percy".

Oh, who am I kidding. I'm a fucking hero.


I appreciate this a lot. I just want to set aside a post to thank you for instigating and looking into this.

On February 16 2015 13:00 LightningStrike wrote:
Answering this question before going to bed. Breshke I know you didn't call him Mafia for Meta reason I said you read him as Mafia and I still think he is possible Mafia but looks a tiny bit better. It will most likely be clear after the flip.


thanks for casting a vote on a good wagon (liancourt) before going to bed. I owe you one.
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#1398
Host:

On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.


Then:

On February 16 2015 12:37 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 12:36 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:23 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:17 Breshke wrote:
TP why do you just shutdown BH's post about there being a possible 2 JK's. If you arn't up to date with the game why is it impossible for you to think if you are town BH could also be town.

I could understand this if you had been scum reading him beforehand but you haven't in fact you seemed to be happy to go along with his RNG lynch for a while so you couldn't have thought he was that scummy.

If BH had never claimed or had claimed a different role would you be scum reading him right now?

Because

(1) Two jailers is really weird from a design standpoint IMO. I've never seen or heard of it.
(2) Two jailers with the same name borders on bastard game. Read the flavor in the OP. the PRs are clearly individual characters. Why would there be flavor indicating the PRs are unique persons... In a game with multiple copies of one role?

This being a Blackadder game is significant in relation to that dynamic.

That's all I can say.

...um.

Someone help. I'm out if my element with flavor and this sounds big


Lord Percy Percy (Tim McInnerny) is the name given to a pair of related characters. (wiki)

Yup.


Which means that Townpuppy and I are literally both JKs together!
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#1403
Updated Vote Count

BH (6) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, rsoultin, KelsierSC, prplhz
liancourt (6) - Blazinghand, iamrobik, lightningstrike, FecalFeast, Ritoky, Breshke
Town Puppy (1) -, Alakasla
raynpelikoneet (1) - Palmar
lightningstrike (1): superbia
rsoultin (1) - Town puppy
Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet

I'm fairly sure this is correct but not 100%. Also I'm pretty sure Im still getting lynche >:{


roughly speaking.

Half the Sky, VA, liancourt, rsoultin, KSC, prplhz, Slam,
are all currently voting for claimed blues who are as close to modconfirmed as we can get[/QUOTE]
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#1412
On February 16 2015 13:12 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts?

On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom

Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom

I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day.


I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol.

##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy

On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.

And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux.


I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now ><

Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol.
On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.

##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand



Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two.


This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught.

I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger.

I mean, flip side here, scum wouldn't know we're both JKs. They wouldn't know WHAT the fuck to do. NO ONE should know wtf to do. Given that, we have two different reactions:

(1) One person ostensibly tried to see both sides of the argument and ended up siding with both players at some point before settling in on me.
(2) The other person defaulted to the previous suspicion that person had on one of the two players and then abruptly switched to the other player after it became clear the initially-suspected player probably wasn't being lynched.

I think it's more likely that the mafia is (2) here. You don't actually get town credit from being right about both people being JK if you let them both get lynched. In fact, nothing about this situation gets you town credit unless you're the guy to figure out that both people are JK. (SHOUTS TO SUPERFRIEND, ALSO GET DUNKED I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN) What you do end up getting is a huge pile of shit during the day after the first flip, because you waffled on both and ended up on the guy who flipped JK. It's far better for mafia to just ride the wave toward whichever JK is getting lynched, then when they flip town riding the other one - and especially if, as in (2)'s case, the other one who ends up being "confirmed scum" is conveniently the one you already suspected.

No, rso is far more likely to be mafia out of the two in my view. As previously noted I will gladly vote either to save you, but our wagon should be rso.


I get what you're getting at with rso. I guess mafia could be confused and think one of us is a cop or a really confused/angry VT or something, but here's what mafia knows that we don't know: Mafia knows that out of the 2 of us, BOTH of us are not mafia. Also, SK wouldn't pull shit like this D1 so mafia can be reasonably sure we're both town. Would mafia know we're both JKs? maybe, maybe not. But the important thing here is mafia knows that the most probably thing to happen, and the thing that was definitely gonna happen until I told people not to lynch you after I flip, was that one of us flips, then the other, cause we're both town.

Now, let's say rsoultin is Mafia. She knows that you and I are both town, and we have both claimed JK. She has been voting you, but she COULD swap to me. Now, I'm the one getting lynched, not you. IF she stays on you, and I flip JK, what happens? Well, she looks good! She says, "wow guys, why didn't you listen to me, we should have lynched Eden/TP" and then lynches you tomorrow. As Mafia, rsoultin would have no real reason to swap to me, right?
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#1417
Yeah i'm pretty sure there's at least one mafia on my wagon pretending to be afk and hoping that nobody else swaps. Maybe now that it's clear I won't be lynched we'll see them come out of the woodwork and try to salvage some towncred by not being lynching the JK?
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#1418
On February 16 2015 13:18 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:15 Superbia wrote:
Can everyone read LS' filter and tell me how it looks if you consider a mafia knowing both BH/puppy as being town playing on the situation?



on it
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#1428
On February 16 2015 13:19 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:12 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:
On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts?

On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom

Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom

I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day.


I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol.

##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy

On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:
On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.

And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux.


I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now ><

Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol.
On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.

##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand



Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two.


This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught.

I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger.

I mean, flip side here, scum wouldn't know we're both JKs. They wouldn't know WHAT the fuck to do. NO ONE should know wtf to do. Given that, we have two different reactions:

(1) One person ostensibly tried to see both sides of the argument and ended up siding with both players at some point before settling in on me.
(2) The other person defaulted to the previous suspicion that person had on one of the two players and then abruptly switched to the other player after it became clear the initially-suspected player probably wasn't being lynched.

I think it's more likely that the mafia is (2) here. You don't actually get town credit from being right about both people being JK if you let them both get lynched. In fact, nothing about this situation gets you town credit unless you're the guy to figure out that both people are JK. (SHOUTS TO SUPERFRIEND, ALSO GET DUNKED I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN) What you do end up getting is a huge pile of shit during the day after the first flip, because you waffled on both and ended up on the guy who flipped JK. It's far better for mafia to just ride the wave toward whichever JK is getting lynched, then when they flip town riding the other one - and especially if, as in (2)'s case, the other one who ends up being "confirmed scum" is conveniently the one you already suspected.

No, rso is far more likely to be mafia out of the two in my view. As previously noted I will gladly vote either to save you, but our wagon should be rso.


I get what you're getting at with rso. I guess mafia could be confused and think one of us is a cop or a really confused/angry VT or something, but here's what mafia knows that we don't know: Mafia knows that out of the 2 of us, BOTH of us are not mafia. Also, SK wouldn't pull shit like this D1 so mafia can be reasonably sure we're both town. Would mafia know we're both JKs? maybe, maybe not. But the important thing here is mafia knows that the most probably thing to happen, and the thing that was definitely gonna happen until I told people not to lynch you after I flip, was that one of us flips, then the other, cause we're both town.

Now, let's say rsoultin is Mafia. She knows that you and I are both town, and we have both claimed JK. She has been voting you, but she COULD swap to me. Now, I'm the one getting lynched, not you. IF she stays on you, and I flip JK, what happens? Well, she looks good! She says, "wow guys, why didn't you listen to me, we should have lynched Eden/TP" and then lynches you tomorrow. As Mafia, rsoultin would have no real reason to swap to me, right?

If she felt like thread sentiment were moving away from me being mafia, and she felt like I might be onto her, then yes, she would have reason to switch. She can just as easily say "oh man, I shouldn't have doubted myself on Eden" - in fact I think this might be more convincing, because then when I also flip town, her confusion looks entirely justified (whereas her attempt to look certain I would flip mafia to get towncred would blow up once I flipped town).


I mean, eventually yeah rsoultin would look bad, but here's the thing. You know what happens at the end of day today, right? I would flip jailkeeper. Then there'd be a 72 hour SHITSHOW. this shitshow would be people yelling about how it was stupid/smart to lynch me, and you trying not to get lynched, then explaining that you were RBed N1, then finally dying D2 despite the fact that you are the JK. Then you ALSO flip JK and there's ANOTHER shitshow. People start yelling at each other, at the hosts, at whoever was shot N1, at me, at you, at the mods. You really think that, 72 hours AFTER the d1 flip, people are gonna be thinking about rsoultin's unusual willingness to stay on you, rather than swap to the BASICALLY identical blazinghand wagon? Like, your wagon and my wagon look really different to you (or to me) because they seem very different, but to most peopel it's just "oh we have 2 jk claims, and OMG WHAT THEY BOTH FLIPPED JK".
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#1433
On February 16 2015 13:21 liancourt wrote:
why are ppl voting me? it just looks like they are sheeping BH for no reason


So you unvoted me yet? there's pretty clear evidence both TP-Eden and I are both town.
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#1444
OK, here's my analysis of LS's reaction to claims.

1. he reacts to TP's claim with confusion http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23766255
2. despite the fact that he thinks I only RNG as town (link) he then votes me (link)
3. then he says he'll lynch TP if I flip JK (suspicious) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23766269
4. he also makes plans for if I flip mafia http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23766578
5. talkes about me potentially flipping JK after I explicitly ask him http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23766867 and rallies support to lynch me http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23767221
6. changes his tune on RNG http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23767312
7. talks about slam a while
8. suggesting eden might be scum claiming blue subtly by tlaking about an eden fakeclaim http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23768532
9. suspicious of TP during TP's very suspicious trolling http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23768811
10 summary post http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23769000
11. waffling (suspicious) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23769139

overall this doesn't look great but it's not blatantly opportunistic like liancourt. Maybe he's just pulling off the "look good when they both flip town" angle less well but I don't want to lynch him as much I as I want to do LC

I totally get where you're coming from, though, superbia.
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#1447
On February 16 2015 13:25 Town Puppy wrote:
Fuck c'mon guys it's rso. I will post bricks of shit produced by my body if she is town

I'm in this awkward place where I want to fight for this lynch but I don't want to accidentally get BH killed.

Can everyone just sheep me instead pls?


In this situation, what we do is have a little rolecall of people willing to swap.

Here we go:

Anyone willing to lynch Rsoultin over Liancourt if we have enough to make it stick, please type

@@willing: Rsoultin

This way, we know how many are willing before we take a risk and move over.
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#1467
hah, liancourt, you think I swapped to you because you're an easier target? when I unvoted TP I was like 99% sure that doing so would cause me to get lynched. heck, people weren't even willing to listen to the theory that TP and I were both town, I had to say "ok, lynch me, but let's talk while we wait for the deadline" to even get people to discuss reads with me. I was planning to die and let me legacy help. the mod info came at a great time but there's no way I could have planned for the mod to come in and basically tell the thread there are 2 JKs.
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#1469
On February 16 2015 13:37 Town Puppy wrote:
SWITCH that lian post was townie imo


currently we don't have enough @@willings to do that. note that I'm not @@willing to lynch rsou

liancourt's post is very "emotional" but doesn't really have any good arguments or cases on people like LS or Rsou. He's just doing damage control and trying to get me lynched because I'm the next-biggest wagon, not accepting the truth
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#1473
@@Willing Count:

@@willing rsoultin (3): FF, TP, Breshke
@@ willing LS (1): FF
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February 16 2015 04:42 GMT
#1478
On February 16 2015 13:40 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:38 Blazinghand wrote:
hah, liancourt, you think I swapped to you because you're an easier target? when I unvoted TP I was like 99% sure that doing so would cause me to get lynched. heck, people weren't even willing to listen to the theory that TP and I were both town, I had to say "ok, lynch me, but let's talk while we wait for the deadline" to even get people to discuss reads with me. I was planning to die and let me legacy help. the mod info came at a great time but there's no way I could have planned for the mod to come in and basically tell the thread there are 2 JKs.


No you are skilled enough to this. You were creating discussion so that other ppl would n't leave the thread and get conversation going so that ppl were around and that they didn't just leave the vote on you and afk till deadline.


I'm entirely skilled enough to do something like this, but if I wanted to maximize survival (rather than maximize town helpfulness) I'd stay on rsoultin and do the whole "talk to me like I'm town" gig. moving off of rsoultin 100% killed me. Unless you think I somehow used my skills to get the mod come in here and confirm my suspicions (and superbia google for it), your explanation doesn't make sense.
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February 16 2015 04:44 GMT
#1485
On February 16 2015 13:44 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:43 liancourt wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:37 Town Puppy wrote:
SWITCH that lian post was townie imo


currently we don't have enough @@willings to do that. note that I'm not @@willing to lynch rsou

liancourt's post is very "emotional" but doesn't really have any good arguments or cases on people like LS or Rsou. He's just doing damage control and trying to get me lynched because I'm the next-biggest wagon, not accepting the truth


Dude. your post on me looked like a desperate scum trying grab at anything and your reasoning was just bad. that's why I immediately unvoted and voted you because you so bad as hell. Get town cred for what? I was asking on the possiblilities of there being 2 JKs and you dismissed it so I voted TP and even defended you as devils advocate.

HOw in the world would i get towh ncred for getting the 2 wagons right???? I get nothing it's null it's a BS reason to call someone scum and you are jsut inflating it with thread presense


STOP.

WHAT ARE YOU READS BESIDES BH.


he's just stalling. He doesn't want to give reads because he doesn't have our interests at heart.
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#1495
On February 16 2015 13:45 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:44 Superbia wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:43 liancourt wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:39 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:37 Town Puppy wrote:
SWITCH that lian post was townie imo


currently we don't have enough @@willings to do that. note that I'm not @@willing to lynch rsou

liancourt's post is very "emotional" but doesn't really have any good arguments or cases on people like LS or Rsou. He's just doing damage control and trying to get me lynched because I'm the next-biggest wagon, not accepting the truth


Dude. your post on me looked like a desperate scum trying grab at anything and your reasoning was just bad. that's why I immediately unvoted and voted you because you so bad as hell. Get town cred for what? I was asking on the possiblilities of there being 2 JKs and you dismissed it so I voted TP and even defended you as devils advocate.

HOw in the world would i get towh ncred for getting the 2 wagons right???? I get nothing it's null it's a BS reason to call someone scum and you are jsut inflating it with thread presense


STOP.

WHAT ARE YOU READS BESIDES BH.


FF is scum but I'm not gonna get enough votes so I'm pusshing BH who is just obvious scum to me.


I don't find this compelling.

Look, LC. Maybe you're town. If you are, you can't stop this wagon. What you CAN do is write some last reads. If you write a couple cases and you flip town, I promise to read them with respect and compassion, and to push your ideas a bit, especially if they're good.

If you're scum, though, feel free to do nothing between now and deadline. But if you're town, you will soon be conftown. Use it as a tool. Wear your death as armor and noone will use it against you.
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#1498
On February 16 2015 13:48 liancourt wrote:
Fucks sake I'm PR I even fucking breadcrumbed.


If you're another JK and didn't mention this before you're the worst. Actually the worst. We need detials now. links. explanations.
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#1503
Yeah I'm gonna wait 5 minutes to see if he gets CCed before deciding what we do here.
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#1505
On February 16 2015 13:50 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Like you have 2 people you think are scum, one is a possible jailkeeper and one is not. WTF is the town motivation to keep pushing BH?


because he is scum his reasons on me are bad and looked desperate as fuck what more do you need.

He managed to switch thread sentiment around and get a wagon on me which wasnt possible on TP

open ur eyes


are you serious? You really think I'm scum after the mod came in here and BASICALLY said there are two JKs?
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#1510
Yeah I don't understand it, I don't see a rowan atkinson role
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#1514
On February 16 2015 13:51 Town Puppy wrote:
liancourt quote and explain your breadcrumb now if you want not to die


stay on him until further notice. We need to gather @@willings before swapping or I'll end up getting lynched, and I'm more surely a PR than he is.
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#1519
On February 16 2015 13:52 IAmRobik wrote:
THERE'S NO WAY HE WAITS UNTIL 10 MINUTES LEFT IN THE DAY TO CLAIM ESPECIALLY WHEN VOTED WERE FLIPPING TO HIM WAY BEFORE THIS. HE SHOULD HAVE STOPPED IT DEAD IN ITS TRACKS THEN, BUT HE DIDN'T. LIAM IS MAFIA


Yeah this is pretty true

I don't feel a need to unvote Liancourt based on his claim. that being said, I will vote LS or rsoultin to save myself, but I will not swap otherwise. Only to save myself or TP
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#1521
On February 16 2015 13:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
2 JKs and a cop?!!?!


yeah also this. 2 JKs is a lot, but 2 JKs AND A cop is super unlikely, and I think 2 JKs is what's going on here, what with the mod coming in and telling us there are 2 JKs.
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#1523
On February 16 2015 13:53 Superbia wrote:
I'm not sure I believe this claim. I'd be willing to switch to RSO, maybe. =/ CC would be useful.


The claim is probably crap. JK JK Cop would be insane
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#1526
On February 16 2015 13:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
2 JKs and a cop?!!?!

SOMEONE IS LYING HERE

Remember, the mod basically came in to diffuse the JK vs JK situation by noting the show is relevant, and there are 2 JKs in the show. It explains why TP and my claims make no sense from scum perspective. Lian's, howeveR? It totally does. He's scum who laid down a crumb and now he's trying to wriggle out of a lynch.
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#1528
On February 16 2015 13:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:54 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
2 JKs and a cop?!!?!


yeah also this. 2 JKs is a lot, but 2 JKs AND A cop is super unlikely, and I think 2 JKs is what's going on here, what with the mod coming in and telling us there are 2 JKs.

Keep milking the mod thing and I'm gonna get upset

I don't consider it cheating. The mod posted in the thread. It's our right, nay, our responsibility to abuse it to its full potential.
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#1533
Stick together, team!
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#1536
On February 16 2015 13:56 Town Puppy wrote:
ugh move onto rso you dumbasses

fuck


we already doubted JK JK because it was too strong. JK JK Cop is really unlikely, right? the liar is lian because the mod came in and basically said we have 2x JK
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#1541
On February 16 2015 13:56 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 13:55 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 16 2015 13:52 Fecalfeast wrote:
2 JKs and a cop?!!?!

SOMEONE IS LYING HERE

Remember, the mod basically came in to diffuse the JK vs JK situation by noting the show is relevant, and there are 2 JKs in the show. It explains why TP and my claims make no sense from scum perspective. Lian's, howeveR? It totally does. He's scum who laid down a crumb and now he's trying to wriggle out of a lynch.


you have wiggled out of a lynch because of mod intervention. Don't you use that and make it anything confirmed.

You are in no way confirmed


I'm not mod-confirmed, I'm mod-divine-interventioned. The gods (mods) smiled upon me today.
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#1545
On February 16 2015 13:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
if one of the jks are scum and there is no second jk I'm gonna be really mad at the mods

they wouldn't come in and say that if one of us was scum though. Like, probably they were worried because of what a shitshow the game would be with a double JK lynch
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#1548
On February 16 2015 13:57 Town Puppy wrote:
move to rso


not happening. not enough time left. Not enough people @@willing.
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#1551
TP, please save my life and vote liancourt. PLEASE. omg
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#1555
On February 16 2015 13:59 Superbia wrote:
This doesn't feel like cop. Cop would be more upset. IDK.


cop woudl have claimed and given us more time to talk about it.

well, if I die, don't lynch TP.
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#1557
DONT MOVE TO RSO

LYCNH LIANCOURT PLEASE

SAVE MY LIFE
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#1561
On February 16 2015 13:59 liancourt wrote:
i'm miller so there


ಠ_ಠ
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#1570
Well slap me with a rubber chicken and call me an omelette, he fakeclaimed cop to try to lynch a basically modconfirmed JK. I'm even more higher-level than him than I thought if he'd pull that kind of stunt.

Also, TP. That late vote. ಠ_ಠ
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#1572
ALSO AS A MILLER HE FAKED A ROLE CRUMB FOR COP. WTF.
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#1589
On February 16 2015 14:08 Town Puppy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2015 14:06 liancourt wrote:
I'll see you 3 gentlemen in obs tar tar gl hf

this guy should probably get a warning for gamethrowing / not playing to wincon tbh

He thought he was correct. One thing you realize when you get to my level is that people play poorly all the time. To see through the lies and realise the truth (like that we were both JKs) takes extraordinary insight. I'm pretty amazing, is what I'm saying.

Being wrong is not against the rules. Being mistaken is not against the rules. Being stubborn and lying as town because you think you're right is not against the rules. I'm 100% willing to lie as town if I think the ends justify the means. say what you want about liancourt, he was willing to go to great lengths for his convictions, and I respect that.
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#1590
4 mafia, 1 sk, 12 town (2x jk 2x miller) is balanced enough. I wouldn't reject that setup. millers are like worse versions of named VTs. 2x miller is unusual but so is 2x jk. evaluate HTS based on merit, not claim.
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#1785
*sigh* is slam claiming or not?
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#1791
Well since he was coy about it when people asked him I'm gonna assume he's rescinded his claim and was fakeclaiming unless he explicitly says so.
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#1864
Hey Palmar you're a smart dude, what should I be focussing on
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#1894
On February 17 2015 09:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:30 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:29 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 09:27 Palmar wrote:
why is superbia obvtown rsoultin?


Short of super WIFOMy play on the part of mafia, which I don't feel that the mods would honor but that's just me lol, his figuring out the possibility of two JKs thing makes him all but confirmed town. Am I missing something?

oh I was afk for that part. Did he suggest that before Sentinel came in and hinted that it might be true?

yes. he is town or the game is invalid. you know this shit.

I basically agree with rayn here. I don't think the game is invalid if he's scum though; after all, there's nothing stopping scum from asking questions or doing research like he did here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=67#1337

earlier, he also wonders whether one of us could be a RB claiming JK http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=66#1320

I don't think Superbia "figures out" that there are 2 JKs so much as he does the research to confirm the mod note. If Superbia were scum and a big blackadder fan he might have realized that it was only a matter of time and wanted to capitalise. There's nothing impossible or gamebreaking about him being scum and doing this

that being said, the fact that he DID do this when he could have been silent makes him town imo
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#1895
To be clear: Superbia being scum would NOT be breakgaming nor woudl it make the game invalid. In fact, if I were scum and I knew how blackadder worked, and I knew that both of the JK claims were real JKs, and the mod CAME IN and said that the fluff was relevant, well, I'd DEFINLTEY do what superbia did. The only reason I'm townreading Superbia is that I think most players aren't as wiley as me and woudl only do this as town.

Superbia is not modconfirmed. He just reacted to the mod dropping a hint in a way that's very townie unless he's super devious.;
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#1904
On February 17 2015 09:41 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 09:38 Blazinghand wrote:
To be clear: Superbia being scum would NOT be breakgaming nor woudl it make the game invalid. In fact, if I were scum and I knew how blackadder worked, and I knew that both of the JK claims were real JKs, and the mod CAME IN and said that the fluff was relevant, well, I'd DEFINLTEY do what superbia did. The only reason I'm townreading Superbia is that I think most players aren't as wiley as me and woudl only do this as town.

Superbia is not modconfirmed. He just reacted to the mod dropping a hint in a way that's very townie unless he's super devious.;


Good point :/ I tend to agree that even if he's not confirmed, though, it's very likely that he's town for it. Otherwise coulda just let the two JK thing play out and see them both dead.


Exactly. Townread Superbia but don't call him modconfirmed or say "game is invalid if he's scum". The game isn't invalid if he's scum, he's just a huge baller if he's scum.
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#1961
honestly.. we did rng VA
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#1965
On February 17 2015 10:21 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 10:13 rsoultin wrote:
So, HtS...not to beat a dead horse, but you were saying you were scumreading BH before all the JK stuff at EoD. Was that still just for the fact that his VA scumread was obviously fabricated, or was there anything else?


I generally have the expectation that someone with his experience level (especially) should be able to either give reads on other people or at least come up with some sort of other method in conjunction (like PoE) to further support why his RNG read was good if he was that serious about it. I made the point that when he kept offering a "30% scumlynch" I said that there was a 70% chance it was wrong. And he failed to do that. Finally when he claimed I didn't believe his claim largely because of the timing.

As a veteran I expected better from him. He didn't sound believable at that time.

if you think 30% chance was bad for D1 (I 'm not pushing rng today) then I can't really say anything other than: After all, we lynched 100% of a town player yesterday.
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#1966
hey town puppy are you around?
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#2007
I don't actually think VA is scum but we should probably still lynch him btw
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#2014
On February 17 2015 12:04 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 11:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't actually think VA is scum but we should probably still lynch him btw


How does this make sense? -_-


Look at his filter. He's never gonna be a townread for anyone. We should probably sit on him for a day and hope a vigi or cop gets him but honestly do you think we can afford NOT to lynch VA?
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#2020
On February 17 2015 12:12 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 12:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 17 2015 12:04 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 11:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't actually think VA is scum but we should probably still lynch him btw


How does this make sense? -_-


Look at his filter. He's never gonna be a townread for anyone. We should probably sit on him for a day and hope a vigi or cop gets him but honestly do you think we can afford NOT to lynch VA?


You're talking about potentially carrying him to MYLO/LYLO I assume? Yeah, I can definitely see wanting to prevent that absent strong scumreads. Rayn was pretty positive he was town, though, so I figured it was a meta thing of some sort?

The meta read is that VA is useless as town. I'm not familiar with it or don't remember it, but I don't see why he couldn't also, uh, pretend to be useless as scum. That being said there's some claim that he improves over time so he's probably not an amazing lynch for tomorrow.

Also someone was complaining that I was injecting uncertainty about suberbia. You know what dude, I am factually correct. I've hosted a game where everyone thought a dude was "mod confirmed" when he actually wasn't, and that dude was scum. So you know what? You have no standing to talk about whether it's inappropriate to point out that superbia being scum would make this game "invalid". What would make this game invalid would be if half-animate semi-sentient subhumans like you were in charge instead of people like me who can accurately identify that someone isn't mod-confirmed. Don't give me crap for spitting truth.
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#2026
On February 17 2015 12:19 prplhz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 12:16 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 17 2015 12:12 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 12:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 17 2015 12:04 rsoultin wrote:
On February 17 2015 11:59 Blazinghand wrote:
I don't actually think VA is scum but we should probably still lynch him btw


How does this make sense? -_-


Look at his filter. He's never gonna be a townread for anyone. We should probably sit on him for a day and hope a vigi or cop gets him but honestly do you think we can afford NOT to lynch VA?


You're talking about potentially carrying him to MYLO/LYLO I assume? Yeah, I can definitely see wanting to prevent that absent strong scumreads. Rayn was pretty positive he was town, though, so I figured it was a meta thing of some sort?

The meta read is that VA is useless as town. I'm not familiar with it or don't remember it, but I don't see why he couldn't also, uh, pretend to be useless as scum. That being said there's some claim that he improves over time so he's probably not an amazing lynch for tomorrow.

Also someone was complaining that I was injecting uncertainty about suberbia. You know what dude, I am factually correct. I've hosted a game where everyone thought a dude was "mod confirmed" when he actually wasn't, and that dude was scum. So you know what? You have no standing to talk about whether it's inappropriate to point out that superbia being scum would make this game "invalid". What would make this game invalid would be if half-animate semi-sentient subhumans like you were in charge instead of people like me who can accurately identify that someone isn't mod-confirmed. Don't give me crap for spitting truth.

but it's stupid of you to push the idea that he's not town when he's extremely likely to be town.

The idea that he COULD not be town though is important when people are saying he's literally mod-confirmed. Jesus christ man
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#2035
On February 17 2015 13:48 Damdred wrote:
Well baby girl I'm here and I'm town so lets end this omgus on my slot.

Obviously I'm a hit behind but I'm going to start out reading some choice filters and sleep. I won't be all the way caught up till tommoeow obviously


D1: I RNged VA and got a cople votes on him. Then people stated voting me for literally zero reason so I claimed JK. then TP claimed JK, but we figured out there are 2x JK so we lynched liancourt who claimed cop with a crumb, but it's ok because he flipped miller
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#2037
we didn't lynch VA because he has a meta of uh, dong nothing useful D1 as town, which means how he acted was totes normal. he's got a pretty good (30%) chance of flipping scum though
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#2038
drreeeerrrttrrrrreeeefffffffffffgggggtttttrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr <--- this is not a crumb

I don't really buy the meta tbh but what can you do
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#2045
On February 17 2015 14:01 Damdred wrote:
Bh you are being very helpful. Now is my slot generally scum read or town read? I haven't read brwshkes filter yet I'll do that after I have some of my own thoughts


A lot of people had null read on Breshke I think. I had no real read, or if I did I forgot it? not sure. In any case Breshke definitely was not a town leader or anything so yeah make sure to do things.

For a long time people thought 1x of me or Town Puppy (the smurf of Eden) was scum, but scum always knew we were both town. People are making headway analyzing how votes and attitudes shifted when we realized we were both town.
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#2047
Hmm, how am I not surprised. Well, I was RBed.
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#2105
On February 17 2015 17:43 Palmar wrote:
Morning. I Was roleblocked.


That was probably Eden. I JKed Superbia but was RBed
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#2107
What, you thought scum wouldn't be shooting into me and Eden?
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#2172
On February 17 2015 23:25 VayneAuthority wrote:
##vote: blazinghand

ಠ_ಠ

##vote VayneAuthority

Honestly let's just get rid of this kid, fuck waiting around
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#2173
Oh there's a wagon on FF. Can someone point me at the case, I haven't been paying attention
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#2178
On February 18 2015 02:00 Palmar wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773857


Yeah that works for me. Looks like FF is making up reads and not having an actual thought process behind them, and forgetting what he claims his reasons were, which isn't something a town player would do. I'm fine if FF gets lynched and will lynch him over not-VA. I want VA to die first though so I'll vote VA but count me as a vote on FF if necessary to secure the lynch.
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#2183
On February 18 2015 03:18 IAmRobik wrote:
i just finished page 106 and i'm baffled that you idiots are so dumb that you don't understand why vayne voted for bh.

BH CLAIMED TO JK SUPERBIA.
SUPERBIA CLAIMS TO HAVE TAKEN A BULLET.
THAT MEANS THAT ONE OR THE OTHER IS LYING


> calling us idiots and dumb
> baffled that we don't understand

On February 17 2015 18:14 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2015 17:43 Palmar wrote:
Morning. I Was roleblocked.


That was probably Eden. I JKed Superbia but was RBed


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February 17 2015 20:21 GMT
#2196
On February 18 2015 05:17 Fecalfeast wrote:
wait so because I liked a post on first read and then after further inspection dislike the post, I am scum?

What am I missing here?


People are having trouble discerning your thought process. Basically, when someone changes their mind, unless there's an explanation it seems strange to other people. You see some guy reverse a read and if you can't see the thought process, it looks opportunistic, see? My style of scumhunting relies on looking at people's motivations and thought processes and seeing if they map to real thoughts that could drive their actions. Yours don't seem to fit.

IMO your best strat is to 1. briefly explain your thought process for your voting D1 and 2. present us with a better target. Defending yourself is a waste of time, but if you're town, you can save yourself by catching scum. IMO you should push VayneAuthority, it's your only hope to survive. Yes, subvert your will to mine, push my target, become my servant and perhaps you will find salvaiton.
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February 17 2015 20:33 GMT
#2203
On February 18 2015 05:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Already done wtf has he not been playing this whole time and you're the only one scumreading him BH?


Yeah. I'm the only sane person in a crazy world. Amazingly, people who have never done any research or played with him before, based on his meta are meta-reading him as town for uh, not contributing, since being useless is his town meta.

But in time, the power of THE LORD RNG will bring salvation. VayneAuthority shall fall!
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February 17 2015 20:53 GMT
#2238
On February 18 2015 05:51 Superbia wrote:
Has LS been scum before in a game? If so, someone mind linking me?

I went through his game history and was unable to find a game in which he rolled scum
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February 17 2015 20:57 GMT
#2241
Oh, what do you know, I hosted a game in which he was scum, just a couple months ago. Here's the Scum QT for that game with relevant quotes:

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/Bn3EpW89kuv

>Slam you now working with me as a scum directly XD. I hope that none of us get lynched Day 1.

>Okay so for the person to kill should we kill Oatsmaster or Damdred? I think Damdred would be a good kill since it will put some suspicion towards batsnacks and will drive the attention away from us. If you guys got a better idea then post it!

>Not trying to be mean or anything if you guys reading that way but it because I a newish player (2nd game of TL Mafia) so take my suggestions with a grain of salt if you have to.

>Okay let's kill Damndred Night 1 and figure out who to kill Night 2

>@19 I think Damndred is the best meta kill atm. But Beshke is a decent kill too as he is a pretty decent town player. I sorry for being a noob scum

>Considering the fact they got no Cop but we still can get caught by the Tracker if they happened to visit the right target I think getting someone that can be considered dangerous for us would be suicide. That why I like killing Damndred. Damndred is pretty much null to everyone so if he gets killed maybe the people who he going after would be considered scum and thus allows us to live.

>Alakaslam you should start defending yourself now. They voting to lynch you or Dicksmash today as far as I know.

>This is what the OP about trackers
>Town Tracker
>Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to watch. You will learn the names of every player that your target visits during the night. You win with the town.
>I assume he means Watcher so if we choose the wrong target to check then we are kind of screwed :| BTW coach how my posting?

>My filter looks similar to my last town game though but it mainly because I had defend myself a lot and I not good at scum reading still. My last game filter is here

>Anyone here? I thinking that Trfel would be a better kill at the moment. He making a pretty damning case on Damndred so if we kill Trfel all the focus will be on Damndred. What you guys think?

>But then again if the tracker happen to be on him then we can found out pretty damn fast :

>Can we now celebrate? That was the best 1st full day we could hope for since we are scum since they got no power roles left :D

>Hi Hopeless I hope you can help me win this game since meatpudding is being voted on quite heavily today and here the situation in temrs of their power roles: They lost both of them in the first 36 hours :D

>meat you should defend yourself you are in danger of getting lynched :

>I was defending myself at least until I had to go shopping with my mom.

>Oats just figured the game out T_T Should we get rid of him while we can? I need your guys input on this.

>The no roleblocking is for meta reasons just to trick people.

>I will bite the bullet for you guys if it means we will win.

>Kill HTS tonight when I get lynched. GL guys!
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February 17 2015 23:29 GMT
#2370
On February 18 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:12 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:54 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:51 rsoultin wrote:
FF, can you talk to me about the JKs?


EBWOP:
More specifically, where you stand on BH right now as opposed to EoD.

I think BH is jk still and agree with him on VA. I understand the mod never came in and said explicitly "BH and TP are jailkeepers" but from where I'm standing it's pretty obvious bh is town


Has that read changed since the hours leading up to EoD?

If you have some elaborate trap you're trying to spring just tell me what I did this time. If I ever doubted BH it's because of how cocky/high and mighty he was acting. I currently think he's town and I honestly don't remember exactly how I felt EoD


It's not an elaborate trap. I'm trying to understand why you seemed so certain that there would be a third JK claim. The obvious townie reason for that is if you didn't believe one of the claimants.

Because there were 2 jk claims, a practical mod confirm of there being 2 jks and yet so many people were afk at that point that bh almost died anyway. A third jk claim to throw a wrench into the thread again seemed likely to me.


So you were anticipating it...because you thought scum would try to capitalize? Or because you thought that one of the AFK people were a JK? And how does that play into the night phase when Slam claimed?

I was initially thinking that with how BH was talking (seriously go look at some of those posts "on my level" is a well used phrase) he thought he had fooled everyone and was gloating. Slam, one of the sfks, claimed and it made my suspicions make sense that there had to be another jk. As of now, though, I can only see BH as JK unless someone is being very sneaky and not ccing


Well, personally, I wouldn't CC if I was JK...it's why I was giving TP so much crap when he CCd xP

Like, I'm taking BH as town mostly on faith right now. Is he usually this useless? Talking about people playing on his level lol and here he is pushing VA again, apparently mostly for the lolz. It's not even the push that bugs me; it's the lack of any other sort of analysis going on.


There are no lolz with my VA lynch. Like, yes, I *did* RNG him and it's pretty hilarious he also turned out to be scum, but read his filter. Read his god-forsaken filter and TELL ME you think he's town, I double-dog-dare you.

You can't.

VA is scum. It's simple as that. There's no more case for me to write, people just ignore hte fact that he's scum.
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February 17 2015 23:35 GMT
#2372
PbP Analysis of VA filter

D1 start
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757535 meaningless
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757571 unexplained townread on HTS
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757607 Talks about when he's available
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757777 claims VT again
10 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760183 soft townread on KSC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760206 self-meta "I start off slow as town"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760325 soft defense of hts
10 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23762334 soft attack on BH
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23762365 backtrack of soft attack
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765551 scumreads on BH, KSC, Breshke, no explanation
18 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765795 votes BH before claim
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765926 votes Breshke after claim
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765967 waffling
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765972 soft attack on rayn or palmar, no evidence
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23766344 votes BH after TP claim
more vague reads
meta scumread BH http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23767577
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23770978 restartes BH scumread
some trolling
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773664 votes me D1 start
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773753 discounts flavor
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773754 calls LS blatant mafia, still voting me
more trolling

None of his posts anywhere are more than like, 3 or 4 lines. The vast majority are 1 line or 1 sentence.

He has done nothing and posted no real cases and is trolling

this guy is scum, let's lynch him?
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February 17 2015 23:37 GMT
#2375
On February 18 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:29 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:12 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:54 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
[quote]
I think BH is jk still and agree with him on VA. I understand the mod never came in and said explicitly "BH and TP are jailkeepers" but from where I'm standing it's pretty obvious bh is town


Has that read changed since the hours leading up to EoD?

If you have some elaborate trap you're trying to spring just tell me what I did this time. If I ever doubted BH it's because of how cocky/high and mighty he was acting. I currently think he's town and I honestly don't remember exactly how I felt EoD


It's not an elaborate trap. I'm trying to understand why you seemed so certain that there would be a third JK claim. The obvious townie reason for that is if you didn't believe one of the claimants.

Because there were 2 jk claims, a practical mod confirm of there being 2 jks and yet so many people were afk at that point that bh almost died anyway. A third jk claim to throw a wrench into the thread again seemed likely to me.


So you were anticipating it...because you thought scum would try to capitalize? Or because you thought that one of the AFK people were a JK? And how does that play into the night phase when Slam claimed?

I was initially thinking that with how BH was talking (seriously go look at some of those posts "on my level" is a well used phrase) he thought he had fooled everyone and was gloating. Slam, one of the sfks, claimed and it made my suspicions make sense that there had to be another jk. As of now, though, I can only see BH as JK unless someone is being very sneaky and not ccing


Well, personally, I wouldn't CC if I was JK...it's why I was giving TP so much crap when he CCd xP

Like, I'm taking BH as town mostly on faith right now. Is he usually this useless? Talking about people playing on his level lol and here he is pushing VA again, apparently mostly for the lolz. It's not even the push that bugs me; it's the lack of any other sort of analysis going on.


There are no lolz with my VA lynch. Like, yes, I *did* RNG him and it's pretty hilarious he also turned out to be scum, but read his filter. Read his god-forsaken filter and TELL ME you think he's town, I double-dog-dare you.

You can't.

VA is scum. It's simple as that. There's no more case for me to write, people just ignore hte fact that he's scum.


Well, hello, Blaze. You do exist xP

Let's pretend we've already lynched VA for a second. Do you have any other thoughts today?


HAH, aren't you glad you listened to me now? You all doubted the glory of rng, the GLORY of my RIGHTEOUS FURY against VA. You even tried to lynch me D1, you noobs! But now I expect you all, all of you who opposed the VA lynch to apologise to me. It's fine if you don't want to do it now, you can do it later. Now you understand the level I operate on. Now you understand how I think.

Well, now that VA is dead and flipped scum, I'm gonna take 24 hours off and hope scum shoots me. I'll be back with last reads before the day post.

You can all thank me later. Or now. IT's cool.
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February 17 2015 23:38 GMT
#2376
On February 18 2015 08:32 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:29 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:24 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:12 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:08 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:01 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:54 rsoultin wrote:
On February 18 2015 07:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
[quote]
I think BH is jk still and agree with him on VA. I understand the mod never came in and said explicitly "BH and TP are jailkeepers" but from where I'm standing it's pretty obvious bh is town


Has that read changed since the hours leading up to EoD?

If you have some elaborate trap you're trying to spring just tell me what I did this time. If I ever doubted BH it's because of how cocky/high and mighty he was acting. I currently think he's town and I honestly don't remember exactly how I felt EoD


It's not an elaborate trap. I'm trying to understand why you seemed so certain that there would be a third JK claim. The obvious townie reason for that is if you didn't believe one of the claimants.

Because there were 2 jk claims, a practical mod confirm of there being 2 jks and yet so many people were afk at that point that bh almost died anyway. A third jk claim to throw a wrench into the thread again seemed likely to me.


So you were anticipating it...because you thought scum would try to capitalize? Or because you thought that one of the AFK people were a JK? And how does that play into the night phase when Slam claimed?

I was initially thinking that with how BH was talking (seriously go look at some of those posts "on my level" is a well used phrase) he thought he had fooled everyone and was gloating. Slam, one of the sfks, claimed and it made my suspicions make sense that there had to be another jk. As of now, though, I can only see BH as JK unless someone is being very sneaky and not ccing


Well, personally, I wouldn't CC if I was JK...it's why I was giving TP so much crap when he CCd xP

Like, I'm taking BH as town mostly on faith right now. Is he usually this useless? Talking about people playing on his level lol and here he is pushing VA again, apparently mostly for the lolz. It's not even the push that bugs me; it's the lack of any other sort of analysis going on.


There are no lolz with my VA lynch. Like, yes, I *did* RNG him and it's pretty hilarious he also turned out to be scum, but read his filter. Read his god-forsaken filter and TELL ME you think he's town, I double-dog-dare you.

You can't.

VA is scum. It's simple as that. There's no more case for me to write, people just ignore hte fact that he's scum.


Well, hello, Blaze. You do exist xP

Let's pretend we've already lynched VA for a second. Do you have any other thoughts today?


so uh, no response to my query about VA eh? Can't find a reason to not scumread him eh?
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February 17 2015 23:39 GMT
#2378
On February 18 2015 08:38 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:35 Blazinghand wrote:
PbP Analysis of VA filter

D1 start
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757535 meaningless
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757571 unexplained townread on HTS
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757607 Talks about when he's available
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757777 claims VT again
10 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760183 soft townread on KSC
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760206 self-meta "I start off slow as town"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760325 soft defense of hts
10 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23762334 soft attack on BH
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23762365 backtrack of soft attack
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765551 scumreads on BH, KSC, Breshke, no explanation
18 hour gap
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765795 votes BH before claim
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765926 votes Breshke after claim
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765967 waffling
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23765972 soft attack on rayn or palmar, no evidence
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23766344 votes BH after TP claim
more vague reads
meta scumread BH http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23767577
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23770978 restartes BH scumread
some trolling
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773664 votes me D1 start
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773753 discounts flavor
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773754 calls LS blatant mafia, still voting me
more trolling

None of his posts anywhere are more than like, 3 or 4 lines. The vast majority are 1 line or 1 sentence.

He has done nothing and posted no real cases and is trolling

this guy is scum, let's lynch him?


Talk to me about anyone but VA (or you) and I will happily vote him with you. How's that for incentive?


I think we should probably lynch rayn tomorrow if he hasn't caught scum. He's probably scum for being ineffective.
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February 17 2015 23:42 GMT
#2384
On February 18 2015 08:39 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, I've already responded to you about VA before. He does shit as town, given the town games in the database. I don't think he's town, but I have yet to see evidence that he's scum.


Oh come ON. He's not trying to catch scum! He doesn't have a real case and he's voting me but he clearly doesn't care about lynching me because he's not hanging out and pushing me. Look, if VA REALLY thought he had a solid meta read on me, why isn't he like, making quotes and writing a case and shit? If this is REaLLY my town meta, why doesn't he just bust out a quick comparison adn be like "look guys, look at these posts, they're teh same. And here he is when he's town, its' totally different". When people ignore him or disagree with him, why isn't there followup? Why is he posting pictures of luigi instead of sayign "look, guys, here's the evidence, here's the reasoning behind my mindset?"

The dude claims to have a super solid scumread on me, and town thinks I'm almost mod-confirmed. if I had a scumread, a super solid scumread on someone who town thought was modconfirmed, I'd be LITERALLY figuratively shitting myself getting all up in peopel's business to prove them WRONG.

There's no follow up because he doesn't care. He just wants to park his vote somewhere useless and look like "useless town VA" who would never be shot and live until lylo and FUCK us. Well I'm not gonna get FUCKEd.
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February 17 2015 23:44 GMT
#2388
On February 18 2015 08:44 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Also rsoultin sheep me on HTS's case on FF please baby girl?

If I flip town, promise me you will change your signature to "League of Legends is for noobs, also FecalFeast is the best mafia player ever" for a week.

You think getting mislynched as town makes you a good mafia player?
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February 17 2015 23:45 GMT
#2390
On February 18 2015 08:44 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:42 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:39 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, I've already responded to you about VA before. He does shit as town, given the town games in the database. I don't think he's town, but I have yet to see evidence that he's scum.


Oh come ON. He's not trying to catch scum! He doesn't have a real case and he's voting me but he clearly doesn't care about lynching me because he's not hanging out and pushing me. Look, if VA REALLY thought he had a solid meta read on me, why isn't he like, making quotes and writing a case and shit? If this is REaLLY my town meta, why doesn't he just bust out a quick comparison adn be like "look guys, look at these posts, they're teh same. And here he is when he's town, its' totally different". When people ignore him or disagree with him, why isn't there followup? Why is he posting pictures of luigi instead of sayign "look, guys, here's the evidence, here's the reasoning behind my mindset?"

The dude claims to have a super solid scumread on me, and town thinks I'm almost mod-confirmed. if I had a scumread, a super solid scumread on someone who town thought was modconfirmed, I'd be LITERALLY figuratively shitting myself getting all up in peopel's business to prove them WRONG.

There's no follow up because he doesn't care. He just wants to park his vote somewhere useless and look like "useless town VA" who would never be shot and live until lylo and FUCK us. Well I'm not gonna get FUCKEd.

No worries we can lynch VA next Day Phase or SK kills him for us would be even better.

On you're right, clearly the proof that VA is scum means we should not lynch him, I was confused about how mafia works, I thought for some reason we were supposed to lynch scum, oops my mistake
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February 17 2015 23:45 GMT
#2394
OK I'm getting salty I'm gonna go pretend to eat dinner then come back when my salinity is more appropriate
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February 17 2015 23:47 GMT
#2400
On February 18 2015 08:45 rsoultin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2015 08:42 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 18 2015 08:39 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, I've already responded to you about VA before. He does shit as town, given the town games in the database. I don't think he's town, but I have yet to see evidence that he's scum.


Oh come ON. He's not trying to catch scum! He doesn't have a real case and he's voting me but he clearly doesn't care about lynching me because he's not hanging out and pushing me. Look, if VA REALLY thought he had a solid meta read on me, why isn't he like, making quotes and writing a case and shit? If this is REaLLY my town meta, why doesn't he just bust out a quick comparison adn be like "look guys, look at these posts, they're teh same. And here he is when he's town, its' totally different". When people ignore him or disagree with him, why isn't there followup? Why is he posting pictures of luigi instead of sayign "look, guys, here's the evidence, here's the reasoning behind my mindset?"

The dude claims to have a super solid scumread on me, and town thinks I'm almost mod-confirmed. if I had a scumread, a super solid scumread on someone who town thought was modconfirmed, I'd be LITERALLY figuratively shitting myself getting all up in peopel's business to prove them WRONG.

There's no follow up because he doesn't care. He just wants to park his vote somewhere useless and look like "useless town VA" who would never be shot and live until lylo and FUCK us. Well I'm not gonna get FUCKEd.


You've more than demonstrated that's how you would play, yes. I said I'd vote with you if you talked to me about anyone but VA, and I am, but I think I need to look through his games again and see if he ever gets fired up as town.


HE wouldn't even have to get mad or angry or anything to be legit, but like. Look at it from VA the town player's point of view. You have one, and only one, solid scumread, and EVERYONE thinks he's basically modconfirmed town. Would you really... not say anything about that? Just drop a one-liner saying "yeah I don't think he's really mod confirmed, the fluff isn't legit" and stop there? Like, this isn't a normal scumread, he seems convinced AND he's the ONLY person who seems convinced. If he were town, like... where's the case? Where's the effort? Even a teensy tiny little follow-up. A call-out. Asking people to review his case or his ideas. Anything.
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February 18 2015 05:24 GMT
#2431
So who right now isn't convinced at all by my VA case, and why (other than weird meta)?
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February 18 2015 06:01 GMT
#2433
On February 18 2015 14:29 Alakaslam wrote:
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On February 18 2015 14:24 Blazinghand wrote:
So who right now isn't convinced at all by my VA case, and why (other than weird meta)?

Me

I need to see scum motive to

Ah

Not do

What he has been

Ah

Not doing


what, you mean "not scumhunting"?
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February 18 2015 08:01 GMT
#2437
On February 18 2015 16:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote: prplhz

I am going vote for purplehaze because he hasn't have done anything to even try to solve this game. He is just calling me and Palmar useless (like are we the only two people in this game?). But then his decision is i am mafia (which is wrong).

this can't possibly be your only thought after 24 hours of silence. tell me what you think of my latest and greatest VA case, or your thoughts on the fecalfeast wagon?
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February 18 2015 08:25 GMT
#2439
why the va townread? you know me, rayn, I'm a tunneller. Unless I can get convinced VA is town (ideally by someone smart like you) I WILL eventually get him. So, if you really think VA is town, why dont' you uh help me get a better read on him by explaining yours?
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February 18 2015 08:39 GMT
#2441
On February 18 2015 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
He isn't pushing any agenda. He just says who he thinks is mqfia and doesn't give any fuxks abot what ppl think of it.

you're not the rayn this town needs, but in a very sad way, you're the one it deserves
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February 18 2015 16:40 GMT
#2519
The fact that Palmar Rayn and I are getting along so poorly means either we're COLLECTIVELY in an awful mood or there is scum amongst us. Rayn. What do you think
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February 18 2015 16:57 GMT
#2524
Ryan you basically haven't played today. You're going to get lynched, possibly tomorrow. Town is desperate and would rather be ostriches with their heads in the sand than listen to me about VA. This means you're next unless you shape up. Not threatening you here just stating facts
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February 18 2015 18:22 GMT
#2527
If it makes you feel any better, rayn, your claims of IRL stuff have zero impact one way or the other on me.
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February 18 2015 20:40 GMT
#2584
honestly I don't care enough to try to get VA lynched today. Let's lynch whatever you guys want as long as we get VA. I might care a bit more in the afternoon but right now I'm feeling lazy

tell you guys what, let's all show up 2 hours before deadline and argue a bunch, yes?
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February 18 2015 20:43 GMT
#2589
so... fuck the Preview button, right?
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February 18 2015 20:58 GMT
#2607
On February 19 2015 05:52 Alakaslam wrote:
[chupazi] hey so

BH what u think of rayn? [/chupazi]


I don't think he's a good lynch today. He's an okay lynch I guess. Like, I think he's reaaaaasonably likely to flip scum, but I'd give him another day to get himself shot, you know?
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#2613
It's still not super clear to me why people think VA is town
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February 18 2015 21:01 GMT
#2614
On February 19 2015 05:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:52 Alakaslam wrote:
[chupazi] hey so

BH what u think of rayn? [/chupazi]


I don't think he's a good lynch today. He's an okay lynch I guess. Like, I think he's reaaaaasonably likely to flip scum, but I'd give him another day to get himself shot, you know?

You prefer VA?

Honestly? Yeah. Today's basically a clusterfuck, right? Well, this is a great time to lynch VA who will never be useful. Rayn might be angry and it might be the weekend or whatever lame excuse he or Palmar is using, but they have to shape up (also I'll note that Palmar's 'weekend' excuse is strange since it's wednesday/thursday right now). It's not the end of the world of Rayn gets lynched, but man, somehow VA is slipping by and I need to step up my game or it's on me when he wins in endgame
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February 18 2015 21:02 GMT
#2616
Also I can't help but shake the feeling that rayn's the kinda dude who would fake anger as town. His obviously fake anger and AFKness probably indicate he's scum but he might be willing to do this as town, you know? In any case, like I said: if he gets lynched, whatever. I won't shed tears. I will msotly be upset that VA DIDN'T get lynched. Again. For no reason. At all.
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#2620
On February 19 2015 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are going to lynch VA i am voting for myself over him.


oh, cause the red flip will make him good? huehuehuehuehue

seriously though dude unless you're linking me to a game where VA did this as town, to me, these are just words writ in water
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February 18 2015 21:04 GMT
#2622
On February 19 2015 06:03 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:59 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:52 Alakaslam wrote:
[chupazi] hey so

BH what u think of rayn? [/chupazi]


I don't think he's a good lynch today. He's an okay lynch I guess. Like, I think he's reaaaaasonably likely to flip scum, but I'd give him another day to get himself shot, you know?

You prefer VA?

Honestly? Yeah. Today's basically a clusterfuck, right? Well, this is a great time to lynch VA who will never be useful. Rayn might be angry and it might be the weekend or whatever lame excuse he or Palmar is using, but they have to shape up (also I'll note that Palmar's 'weekend' excuse is strange since it's wednesday/thursday right now). It's not the end of the world of Rayn gets lynched, but man, somehow VA is slipping by and I need to step up my game or it's on me when he wins in endgame

You are not reading the game. It's a good thing you're semi-modconfirmed (the game is basically invalid if you're mafia, so I just don't care about that option).

You think Rayn's fake anger and afkness means he has to be scum? He could be faking it as town.
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February 18 2015 21:06 GMT
#2625
On February 19 2015 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are going to lynch VA i am voting for myself over him.


oh, cause the red flip will make him good? huehuehuehuehue

seriously though dude unless you're linking me to a game where VA did this as town, to me, these are just words writ in water

Do you fucking think VA, as one of the main lynch targets, would vote for you, who is basically CONFIRMED TOWN?
Do you seriously fucking think he would do that as mafia given that i am town and as i am another lynch target i COULD redeem myself? DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK HE WOULD DO THAT?


Well it produces zero info or associative tells when he flips, and it seems to be working out pretty well for him, so... yes?
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February 18 2015 21:07 GMT
#2626
On February 19 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:03 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:59 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:52 Alakaslam wrote:
[chupazi] hey so

BH what u think of rayn? [/chupazi]


I don't think he's a good lynch today. He's an okay lynch I guess. Like, I think he's reaaaaasonably likely to flip scum, but I'd give him another day to get himself shot, you know?

You prefer VA?

Honestly? Yeah. Today's basically a clusterfuck, right? Well, this is a great time to lynch VA who will never be useful. Rayn might be angry and it might be the weekend or whatever lame excuse he or Palmar is using, but they have to shape up (also I'll note that Palmar's 'weekend' excuse is strange since it's wednesday/thursday right now). It's not the end of the world of Rayn gets lynched, but man, somehow VA is slipping by and I need to step up my game or it's on me when he wins in endgame

You are not reading the game. It's a good thing you're semi-modconfirmed (the game is basically invalid if you're mafia, so I just don't care about that option).

You think Rayn's fake anger and afkness means he has to be scum? He could be faking it as town.

No I meant the factyou mentioned my "weekend excuse".

a) i'm soon going to hit 10 pages of filter, If I stay alive throughout the next night I might break my imperial record for filter length, so I don't need to "shape up"
b) I'm not making any excuses for my activity, because well... see a)


yeah don't worry Palmar we're not lynching you. Even if you're scum the SK will shoot you because you as scum would probably catch the SK

seriously though you're not even like, on my list. don't worry.
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February 18 2015 21:10 GMT
#2632
On February 19 2015 06:08 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:07 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:06 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:04 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:03 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:01 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:59 Alakaslam wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:58 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 05:52 Alakaslam wrote:
[chupazi] hey so

BH what u think of rayn? [/chupazi]


I don't think he's a good lynch today. He's an okay lynch I guess. Like, I think he's reaaaaasonably likely to flip scum, but I'd give him another day to get himself shot, you know?

You prefer VA?

Honestly? Yeah. Today's basically a clusterfuck, right? Well, this is a great time to lynch VA who will never be useful. Rayn might be angry and it might be the weekend or whatever lame excuse he or Palmar is using, but they have to shape up (also I'll note that Palmar's 'weekend' excuse is strange since it's wednesday/thursday right now). It's not the end of the world of Rayn gets lynched, but man, somehow VA is slipping by and I need to step up my game or it's on me when he wins in endgame

You are not reading the game. It's a good thing you're semi-modconfirmed (the game is basically invalid if you're mafia, so I just don't care about that option).

You think Rayn's fake anger and afkness means he has to be scum? He could be faking it as town.

No I meant the factyou mentioned my "weekend excuse".

a) i'm soon going to hit 10 pages of filter, If I stay alive throughout the next night I might break my imperial record for filter length, so I don't need to "shape up"
b) I'm not making any excuses for my activity, because well... see a)


yeah don't worry Palmar we're not lynching you. Even if you're scum the SK will shoot you because you as scum would probably catch the SK

seriously though you're not even like, on my list. don't worry.

I'm not worried, I'm just pointing out that you were talking about things that don't exist.

I do that, to hedge my bet that you're town, so post-game I can say "well game is invalid and I said BH was talking out of his ass".


Yeah honestly I kinda figured that. I try to make statements for post-game bragging rights as well. that was in fact part of the motivation for me townreading TP. I was like "well, I could be normal, or I could be a fucking legend".

On February 19 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are going to lynch VA i am voting for myself over him.


oh, cause the red flip will make him good? huehuehuehuehue

seriously though dude unless you're linking me to a game where VA did this as town, to me, these are just words writ in water

Do you fucking think VA, as one of the main lynch targets, would vote for you, who is basically CONFIRMED TOWN?
Do you seriously fucking think he would do that as mafia given that i am town and as i am another lynch target i COULD redeem myself? DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK HE WOULD DO THAT?


Well it produces zero info or associative tells when he flips, and it seems to be working out pretty well for him, so... yes?

So you think i am town? As i am the only fucking person in this stupid game to defend him.
And apparently my word is worth shit.

SO HOW DOES THAT POSSIBLY DO ANY GOOD FOR HIM IF HE IS MAFIA? ESPECIALLY IF I WOULD FLIP MAFIA?


dude rayn there's like literally nobody besides me voting VA. I'm all alone. You're in the majority on this issue.

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February 18 2015 21:12 GMT
#2634
On February 19 2015 06:09 Palmar wrote:
Like I have no problem with rayn calling prplhz mafia, if he wanted to go for someone on his wagon. Like even if rayn flips town I'm never going to lynch damdred because of this push.


I agree with Palmar not wanting to lynch damdred.

I think damdred had a strong entrance and during my interactions with him, when he was asking questions and obviously trying to catch up on this huge game, he seemed genuinely interested in learning what happened and jumping in. I might scumread him for things he did later but his entrance was great imo.
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February 18 2015 21:14 GMT
#2637
On February 19 2015 06:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:10 Blazinghand wrote:

On February 19 2015 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:06 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are going to lynch VA i am voting for myself over him.


oh, cause the red flip will make him good? huehuehuehuehue

seriously though dude unless you're linking me to a game where VA did this as town, to me, these are just words writ in water

Do you fucking think VA, as one of the main lynch targets, would vote for you, who is basically CONFIRMED TOWN?
Do you seriously fucking think he would do that as mafia given that i am town and as i am another lynch target i COULD redeem myself? DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK HE WOULD DO THAT?


Well it produces zero info or associative tells when he flips, and it seems to be working out pretty well for him, so... yes?

So you think i am town? As i am the only fucking person in this stupid game to defend him.
And apparently my word is worth shit.

SO HOW DOES THAT POSSIBLY DO ANY GOOD FOR HIM IF HE IS MAFIA? ESPECIALLY IF I WOULD FLIP MAFIA?


dude rayn there's like literally nobody besides me voting VA. I'm all alone. You're in the majority on this issue.


give me one person who isn't scumreading VA? Then look at the time he voted for you.
like could you use your brain, even for a bit?


FWIW I do get what you're saying here, and it frustrates me too. Everyone admits that VA is scummy and is like "yeah, all evidence points to him being scum" and then nobody votes him. I'm mad about this. I get what you're getting at, which ist aht people don't like VA. what I'm getting at, thoough, is that this doesn't translate to actual votes on VA for some insane reason.

I'll take a look at the HtS case on you. any particular things youw ant me to focus on when determining HTS alignment?
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February 18 2015 21:14 GMT
#2639
On February 19 2015 06:13 Palmar wrote:
I have no idea why people call VA town btw. I'm just lynching rayn atm.


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February 18 2015 21:16 GMT
#2643
On February 19 2015 06:14 prplhz wrote:
is there really no chance that blazinghand is scum? right now he is pretty much telling SK to shoot palmar, and i have a terrible feeling about this "lets lynch rayn tomorrow, not today". if rayn flips mafia power role we really need to reconsider blazinghand.


I'm only saying the ridiculous things I am because I'm almost mod-confirmed town. You think if I weren't basically mod-confirmed town, I would say these things? I'd get lynched on the spot.
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February 18 2015 21:16 GMT
#2645
On February 19 2015 06:15 prplhz wrote:
blazinghand could have fake claimed jailer as scum not realizing this blackadder lore thing, then gotten saved by it. easy to just claim roleblocked. why did scum shoot puppy over blazinghand?


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February 18 2015 21:19 GMT
#2654
On February 19 2015 06:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 05:59 Blazinghand wrote:
It's still not super clear to me why people think VA is town

I don't know whether he is or isn't. There just isn't much there

yeah ok but that's sorta the point the dude never posted

On February 19 2015 06:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:14 prplhz wrote:
is there really no chance that blazinghand is scum? right now he is pretty much telling SK to shoot palmar, and i have a terrible feeling about this "lets lynch rayn tomorrow, not today". if rayn flips mafia power role we really need to reconsider blazinghand.

It's not impossible, mod never specifically said there are 2 jks or that BH is one of them but the way that whole situation played out I imagine there are 2 JKs. Unless BH is a fan of blackadder and took the bet on 2JK being too imbalanced to confirm himself


I'm not literally mod-confirmed, it's true. However, if you guys decide to lynch me, you'll never live it down. Just reread those pages and see what was going on when the mod stepped in. Like damn.
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February 18 2015 21:21 GMT
#2657
Also rayn, step away from the game for a couple hours. You're gonna get banned if you don't.
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February 18 2015 21:25 GMT
#2664
On February 19 2015 06:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BH who did you protect on N1? sorry if i missed it.


I sent in a protect on Superbia but got RBed. I suspect I will get RBed until either we lynch the RBer (whereupon I will be shot) or scum decides to shoot me early for being useful or something
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February 18 2015 21:26 GMT
#2668
On February 19 2015 06:25 Palmar wrote:
probably me, I was rbd.


I considered you. Also, it's interesting you got RBed. Would mafia have 2x RBer then?
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February 18 2015 21:28 GMT
#2676
On February 19 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:25 Palmar wrote:
probably me, I was rbd.


I considered you. Also, it's interesting you got RBed. Would mafia have 2x RBer then?

eden could have jkd me.


oh, duh, that makes sense now. that's probably what happened
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February 18 2015 21:31 GMT
#2682
RB Claims:

palmar
BH
NOT Superbia

Probably what happened is that TP JKed Palmar, and scum RBed me and shot TP
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February 18 2015 21:32 GMT
#2685
N1 shots:
Superbia claims vet who took a bullet
TP was shot
Some other dude was shot but he wasn't memorable. he's dead now.
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February 18 2015 21:32 GMT
#2687
On February 19 2015 06:32 Palmar wrote:
I'm actually a huge fan of having been rbd, because I'm anticipating an inevitable "Palmar is the SK" wagon at some point in this game.


I don't think you're the SK and never entertained the thought.
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February 18 2015 21:33 GMT
#2688
On February 19 2015 06:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
no superbia doesn't.

so superb claims shot and vet
bh claims rb's
palmar claims rb's
eden shot.

that means eden 100% jailed palmar.
superbia is most likely veteran.
where is mafia roleblock?


mafia roleblock is on me, obviously. Mafia actions were RBing me and shooting Eden-- neutralize the 2 blues.
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February 18 2015 21:34 GMT
#2693
On February 19 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
or rather, if bh and eden are town, why would mafia roleblock BH and shoot eden?
WHY?


uh... cause honestly I considered saving Eden? Like, if Mafia didn't RB me and I yolosaved Eden, that would have been amazing, i'd have blocked the nk. I don't understand why you don't get this

2 blues, you're scum and you have an rber and an nk

rb one, nk the other

ez
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February 18 2015 21:34 GMT
#2695
On February 19 2015 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##unvote
##vote Blazinghand

yolo
i don't believe you, fuck the mod confirmation.
your claim is shit anyways.


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February 18 2015 21:35 GMT
#2697
On February 19 2015 06:35 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
or rather, if bh and eden are town, why would mafia roleblock BH and shoot eden?
WHY?


Possibility of one JK yolo-saving the other.


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February 18 2015 21:36 GMT
#2702
On February 19 2015 06:35 IAmRobik wrote:
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On February 19 2015 06:07 Palmar wrote:
I hate the fact both rayn and robik scumread damdred. Like it's literally almost impossible to jump into a 100 page game as a replacement or whatever and read back, form reads and be assertive, yet he actually did that.

I caught damdred in imperial, and this is not mafia damdred.

let's play a game called statistics. 274 people subbed out of games from 2014-2015. 243 of them were mafia.


if that's real, taht's actually pretty convincing
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February 18 2015 21:45 GMT
#2711
On February 19 2015 06:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:27 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 06:25 Palmar wrote:
probably me, I was rbd.


I considered you. Also, it's interesting you got RBed. Would mafia have 2x RBer then?

eden could have jkd me.

someone else claimed RB'd I thought........................


ONCE AND FOR ALL HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED N1

RB CLAIMS:
PALMAR CLAIMS HE WAS RBED
BLAZINGHAND CLAIMS HE WAS RBED

FLIPS:
EDEN WAS FLIPPED
SOME OTHER TOWNIE PERSON GOT SHOT AND FLIPPED TOO

SHOT CLAIMS:
SUPERBIA CLAIMS HE WAS SHOT AND IS A VETERAN


What probably happened:

Mafia RBer RBed BH
Mafia Nk NKed Eden
Eden JKed Palmar
Someone (Mafia vig, maybe) shot Superbia
SK shot the other dude who got shot (poossibly this and the amfia vig action are reversed)


WE ARE NOW DONE BEING CONFUSED ABOUT N1
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February 18 2015 21:45 GMT
#2712
On February 19 2015 06:43 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
or rather, if bh and eden are town, why would mafia roleblock BH and shoot eden?
WHY?

ya...something isn't adding up

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February 18 2015 22:16 GMT
#2737
HtS, your individual contribution to the rayn case is that he doens't care as scum (As he admits) and he seems to be lurking a lot this game and not pushing real reads. is that accirate?

Also, I'm sure you've been asked this but I herped and couldn't find it in your filter, but what are your thoughts on FF now?
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February 18 2015 23:01 GMT
#2749
On February 19 2015 07:59 IAmRobik wrote:
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On February 19 2015 07:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
Robik is that stat about replacements being mafia real?

I made it up, but the % of time a sub is mafia is probably something like 85% to 15% town

"I made it up, but here's another made-up number"
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February 19 2015 00:06 GMT
#2794
so rayn's deffo scum since he fakeclaimed cop right

##unvote
##vote rayn


though if he flips town he wouldn't be the first townie to fakeclaim cop while being lynched
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February 19 2015 00:27 GMT
#2807
On February 19 2015 09:07 Palmar wrote:
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On February 19 2015 09:06 Blazinghand wrote:
so rayn's deffo scum since he fakeclaimed cop right

##unvote
##vote rayn


though if he flips town he wouldn't be the first townie to fakeclaim cop while being lynched

mandatory the tmi is strong in you if he flips town, invalid game if you're scum etc etc.

I'm basically playing with no filter since there's nothing I could say that could get me lynched. it's pretty awesome
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February 19 2015 04:36 GMT
#2897
On February 19 2015 13:10 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 19 2015 13:07 rsoultin wrote:
If rayn flips cop and palmar is scum I should probably just resign from this game and this forum entirely, because my reads have reached an all-time low lol ><


Unlikely, he claimed a red-check on Palmar and had Palmar as a maybe on his scumlist beforehand.
And as I see Superbia commented, his gameplay is not remotely town let alone a blue role.

Also I don't think 2x JK plus vet and cop with 2 millers is balanced. But I'll let that for BH to sort that out.


cop doesn't really do much with 2x miller, and wouldn't upset balance terribly. it's also possible, however unlikely, that superbia is actually SK, since superbia was probably shot by scum rather than by a vigi for various reasons

in any case, rayn is obviously not the cop.

I won't even try getting you guys to shenannie onto vayne, after Palmar posted that video it's impossible. slick move, Palmar.
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February 19 2015 04:41 GMT
#2901
On February 19 2015 13:38 Alakaslam wrote:
It's funny, there is always those few people who cannot hack my presence but will never give a straight reason why; it is probably because that very reason is that I don't speak plainly at all


Actually you've spoken very plainly several times this game and are trying to solve it. Your unusual lucidity leads me to conclude that you are town.
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February 19 2015 04:42 GMT
#2902
Hts if you ignore superbias vet claim and solving the jk issue what's your read on him
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February 19 2015 04:45 GMT
#2904
ok carry on
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February 19 2015 04:46 GMT
#2906
It's probably nothing, don't worry about it.
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February 19 2015 04:55 GMT
#2916
hahaha, I love being semiconf town. I can do whatever I want and get scumreads but nobody will lynch me. If rayn flips scum, people will hate me for the constant soft defense, and if he flips town, people will hate me for "knowing too much" (note that people have both said I'm scummy for either predicted flip). and there's nothing you can do about it! I'm basically conftown. take that, liancourt! I bet it sucks being in the obs QT watching me dick around and not get lynched. Well, I get 2 words for you buddy

semi

confirmed

town


yeahhhhhhhhhhh
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February 19 2015 04:56 GMT
#2918
ok what's the scummiest thing I can say here.
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February 19 2015 04:57 GMT
#2920
"stfu rayn, we don't want to hear your thoughts. don't share any dying reads or give any tells or anything liek that. just be mad and continue pretending to rage kekekekke"

hahahahha
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February 19 2015 04:57 GMT
#2925
On February 19 2015 13:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On February 19 2015 13:56 Blazinghand wrote:
ok what's the scummiest thing I can say here.

"I am a huge fan of blackadder and knew percy percy was two people but played dumb about it"

i've watched every season!
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February 19 2015 05:01 GMT
#2934
On February 19 2015 14:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
bg i hope mafia wins which shouldn't be hard for them.
Fuckk you town. You deserve to lose.


nice fake anger
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February 19 2015 05:07 GMT
#2948
On February 19 2015 14:06 Alakaslam wrote:
Too bad, he was being very anti town.


no such thing as an anti town vt
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#2954
rayn faking all that anger was imo not a great strat
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#2957
so this jsut increases my convication that we should have been lynching VA this whole time
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#3001
On February 19 2015 14:31 rsoultin wrote:
who was it who kept on insisting that superbia wasn't confirmed? it was bh, right?


s/insisting/accurately pointing out/
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#3002
It strokes my ego that everyone's talking about me! If you have questions I'm here for a bit.
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#3022
On February 19 2015 15:13 IAmRobik wrote:
Why aren't you worried that we are going to lose

When did you start beating your girlfriend?

(subtext: you're begging the question)

On February 19 2015 15:18 Alakaslam wrote:
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On February 19 2015 15:09 Blazinghand wrote:
It strokes my ego that everyone's talking about me! If you have questions I'm here for a bit.

yup

Do you think it would help if I were to somehow become lucid all the time or would I just get boring?


you're lucid enough for me. just continue to push what you think is right and hunt scum

On February 19 2015 17:31 prplhz wrote:
what happened last night?


rayn tried to fake anger or something instead of play as town, then he died.
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#3100
On February 19 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.

We're not lynching BH.

If BH is scum, the game is invalid because the host interfered with the meta thing. So if he is mafia and the host has any integrity, BH would be modkilled and the host would then commit sudoku.


It's supoku, Palmar xP

Eh, I don't know, is it really acceptable for the mod to confirm anyone in these games? That seems like poor modding and I had a higher opinion of Sent than that.


Honestly it's somewhat bad modding as it is. If one of us were scum, though, it would be unprecedentedly bad modding. It would be so bad that I don't have to put any effort into proving myself town because yeah, how could I not be and this game be sane

On February 19 2015 23:03 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 19 2015 13:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 19 2015 13:10 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 19 2015 13:07 rsoultin wrote:
If rayn flips cop and palmar is scum I should probably just resign from this game and this forum entirely, because my reads have reached an all-time low lol ><


Unlikely, he claimed a red-check on Palmar and had Palmar as a maybe on his scumlist beforehand.
And as I see Superbia commented, his gameplay is not remotely town let alone a blue role.

Also I don't think 2x JK plus vet and cop with 2 millers is balanced. But I'll let that for BH to sort that out.


cop doesn't really do much with 2x miller, and wouldn't upset balance terribly. it's also possible, however unlikely, that superbia is actually SK, since superbia was probably shot by scum rather than by a vigi for various reasons

in any case, rayn is obviously not the cop.

I won't even try getting you guys to shenannie onto vayne, after Palmar posted that video it's impossible. slick move, Palmar.


I just really hate this post from BH. Came before the flip.

hue

On February 19 2015 23:13 Half the Sky wrote:
"Rayn is obviously not the cop" I want to say TMI, but then again Rayn had fakeclaimed and his redcheck is "maybe" mafia...


Rayn was obviously not a cop.

On February 19 2015 23:14 Superbia wrote:
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On February 19 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.

We're not lynching BH.

If BH is scum, the game is invalid because the host interfered with the meta thing. So if he is mafia and the host has any integrity, BH would be modkilled and the host would then commit sudoku.


It's supoku, Palmar xP

Eh, I don't know, is it really acceptable for the mod to confirm anyone in these games? That seems like poor modding and I had a higher opinion of Sent than that.


Either way it's completely fucked up. But BH definitely needs to be town here. The only reason Sent would intervene there is if BH was town JK. The game was about to be ruined because no one (except scum, probably) knew about the double JK thing. As such, town was headed towards lynching 2 PRs in a row. It would've been massively fucked up and people would be mad at Sent. Honestly I think the game needed a reset after the reveal, but again, that's for postgame.


Superbia's analysis is accurate, as would be expected for someone working against mafia.

Hey Superbia what do you think of Palmar

On February 19 2015 23:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Superbia, I think I might know who the SK is. But we need that SK for the anti-swing and unless I failed in my alignment tally early this morning I don't want to risk him getting shot.

Or if he gets shot, does that KP resolve simultaneously?


yeah but it's probably the right move to lynch the SK regardless tomorrow

On February 19 2015 23:16 Palmar wrote:
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On February 19 2015 22:53 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:29 rsoultin wrote:
Lol, also, I really want to lynch BH. Like my brain says nah, don't be dumb, and it's probably just the smug ass attitude while he trolls around and barely contributes, but I really want to lynch him.

Someone explain why again it would break the game if the mods suggested there could be two JKs, that BH may actually not be one of them?

Also, kinda like Superbia's filter, though I remember you being a ton more helpful the last game I played with you, Super.

We're not lynching BH.

If BH is scum, the game is invalid because the host interfered with the meta thing. So if he is mafia and the host has any integrity, BH would be modkilled and the host would then commit sudoku.


It's supoku, Palmar xP

Eh, I don't know, is it really acceptable for the mod to confirm anyone in these games? That seems like poor modding and I had a higher opinion of Sent than that.

It's not the point.

We were about to lynch Blazinghand. The host sweeps in and points out that it's not unbelievable and specifically mentions the flavor of the game. Due to this we don't lynch Blazinghand.

If Blazinghand is mafia, he got saved by host interaction. I really, really cba dealing with that shit too.


yep

On February 19 2015 23:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh the whole mod thing threw me off. I don't know what to make of that, everyone was on the same assumption.

Blazinghand has been very anti-town, if he's town, I don't understand even with a mod interaction why he's not having the incentive to act town. He doesn't play these games very often, but I also don't know him as a player well. You'd think he'd be somewhat motivated, no?


ok HtS you can complain all you want but aside from my occasional troll post I've done a good job of writing a convincing case on VA during D2. yes, rayn was lynched instead of VA, and yes, i fucked around a bit instead of acting super seriors, but I haven't done anything that's actually HURT town, have I? No, I just don't fit into your preconcieved notion of what a townie acts like. The fact of the matter is, I've followed the game and weighed in on the big cases and used my vote in a reasonably way, since VA is scum, and I think I'm doing great.

On February 19 2015 23:24 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 19 2015 23:18 Half the Sky wrote:
Yeh the whole mod thing threw me off. I don't know what to make of that, everyone was on the same assumption.

Blazinghand has been very anti-town, if he's town, I don't understand even with a mod interaction why he's not having the incentive to act town. He doesn't play these games very often, but I also don't know him as a player well. You'd think he'd be somewhat motivated, no?


I think he's scum...maybe Super isn't and just played into his hands or something, but BH is really eating at me.


and it's delicious, but you'll never lynch me so give up and focus on other things

On February 19 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
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On February 19 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 23:17 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:57 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
Who do you actually think is mafia rsoultin?


I've got a list that isn't making sense anymore. That question was more for ritoky than robik, btw, don't really care that robik can't read or understand simple things xP

We should probably just lynch prplhz tomorrow, in all honesty. His entrance was shit, he made one or two good posts, and since then he comes back in asking for updates and to whine at people scumreading him. And I go 'oh, that's right, he's in this game'.

Your list please, don't care if it makes sense or not, I just want to see it.


Prplhz
Ritoky
BH
Super
Slam/HtS/Robik/Damdred

The last slot is just cause I think I'm being hyper paranoid about the 3rd and 4th, but until I scratch the itch the thought won't go away ><

Why do you think VA is town?


this question is the story of my life

On February 19 2015 23:26 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 19 2015 23:24 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 23:22 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 23:17 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:57 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 22:39 Palmar wrote:
Who do you actually think is mafia rsoultin?


I've got a list that isn't making sense anymore. That question was more for ritoky than robik, btw, don't really care that robik can't read or understand simple things xP

We should probably just lynch prplhz tomorrow, in all honesty. His entrance was shit, he made one or two good posts, and since then he comes back in asking for updates and to whine at people scumreading him. And I go 'oh, that's right, he's in this game'.

Your list please, don't care if it makes sense or not, I just want to see it.


Prplhz
Ritoky
BH
Super
Slam/HtS/Robik/Damdred

The last slot is just cause I think I'm being hyper paranoid about the 3rd and 4th, but until I scratch the itch the thought won't go away ><

Why do you think VA is town?


I don't? The meta read seems to be right, though, in that he does shit as town before a flip. That and I keep thinking BH is scum xP


VA is scum.

On February 19 2015 23:34 Palmar wrote:
although I guess the best part about your list is how little sense it makes. BH is consensus considered town because of the claim thing and you call him mafia anyway, which is so dumb that it's probably not from scum.

whatever.

There are too many shitters this game.


Scum proooobably wouldn't push me. this is a valid point.

On February 19 2015 23:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Palmar, if you disregard mechanics, claims, etc, etc. to be fair BOTH BH and VA have been anti-town. Here are two questions.

1 What makes VA more anti-town/scum than BH on behaviour alone?
2 What are the chances of VA and BH double bussing each other and the rest of us assuming it's just town on town squabbles?


i've weighed in on everything, VA has weighed in on nothing. I've been around to talk to people, blah blah blah. my play is fine, you just don't like my attitude. The reason D2 went poorly is because rayn played like crap and because there was no counter wagon on VA. You know why tehre's no wagon on VA? in part because I didn't do well enough, but in part because of psots like this by players like you.

On February 19 2015 23:55 Palmar wrote:
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On February 19 2015 23:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Palmar, if you disregard mechanics, claims, etc, etc. to be fair BOTH BH and VA have been anti-town. Here are two questions.

1 What makes VA more anti-town/scum than BH on behaviour alone?
2 What are the chances of VA and BH double bussing each other and the rest of us assuming it's just town on town squabbles?

BH has the modconfirm
VA doesn't

Also bh has like 12 pages of filter or something. VA has what... 3?


yeah alsot his

like damn what would I do without Palmar

are people seriously still trying to push me lol

On February 20 2015 00:00 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2015 23:55 Palmar wrote:
On February 19 2015 23:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Palmar, if you disregard mechanics, claims, etc, etc. to be fair BOTH BH and VA have been anti-town. Here are two questions.

1 What makes VA more anti-town/scum than BH on behaviour alone?
2 What are the chances of VA and BH double bussing each other and the rest of us assuming it's just town on town squabbles?

BH has the modconfirm
VA doesn't

Also bh has like 12 pages of filter or something. VA has what... 3?


I know you said you don't read filters (or didn't read robik's or whatever)

Scum can adjust to spam the shit out of filter. There is disparity in quantity, but quality of both filters is shit tier.

I have asked BH countless times to provide reads/insights on other people. I have since read his PBPA, the stuff he throws out IS random, so I can understand why VA would be scummy.

I just cannot understand the lack of incentive from BH though if he is town and we're effectively in mylo.

So the modconfirm is the only thing that makes you think BH is town. Alright. I'm going to come back to this but need to explore others first.


BH
[x] pushed people other than rayn d2
[x] talked about things other than rayn d2
[ ] has a small filter
[ ] has a tone that sits comfortably with you
[ ] is scum

On February 20 2015 00:12 Half the Sky wrote:
You're suggesting Palmar is scum, VA?

I'm not played with a scum Palmar before, ever.

He would fall under the tinfoil hat category for me atm, but could have been in theory an active scum helping drive the Rayn lynch.

What is jumping out at you?


yeah clearly we should listen to VA


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February 19 2015 19:08 GMT
#3110
On February 20 2015 02:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
BH will you quit mafia if im not scum?


no, I don't see why I would? I mean, if you're somehow not scum that's on you Brometheus

On February 20 2015 04:01 Palmar wrote:
of all the things that make me town this game the rb claim is the least one of it robik.


This is accurate. Palmar isn't a scum janitor, an SK, or the scum RB (alternatively: scum has 2x RB or 2x janitor, very unlikely). If Palmar is scum he's a godfather or a vanilla scum. So, the RB claim doesn't make Palmar town at all, it just makes him not one or two particular scum PRs and not the SK.

On February 20 2015 04:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Dear Prince Ludwig the Indestructible,

Please shoot into any of the following Frenchmen tonight: Ritoky, prplhz or Blazinghand.

Your English Sympathiser,
HTS


>:| do you really think there's a chance I'm scum, just because you don't like the 'tude?
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February 19 2015 19:11 GMT
#3112
On February 20 2015 04:09 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 04:08 IAmRobik wrote:
NO

Also, you're not allowed to do this shit for obvious fucking reasons.


Er, honest question did I just break a rule?


you are not in violation of any of the rules laid out in the OP or commonly enforced on TL MAfia
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February 19 2015 20:45 GMT
#3119
On February 20 2015 05:43 ritoky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 04:08 Blazinghand wrote:
>:| do you really think there's a chance I'm scum, just because you don't like the 'tude?


I think there's a chance you're scum because you keep re-iterating your mod confirmed status like holyflare did when I fucked up real hard in hearthstone and you're a protective role who has survived an night phase. if you survive 2 or 3....well that chance grows into a possibility.


> impying I'm claiming to actually be mod confirmed

Yeah none of you guys are on my level
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February 19 2015 20:50 GMT
#3120
Like, I'm not literally modconfirmed. The mod hasn't come in and said I'm town. But you guys aren't actually gonna lynch me this game and you know it, you know it so much you're asking the SK or Scum to shoot me instead of trying to write a real case. We all know it's not happening so stop wasting everyone's time.
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February 19 2015 20:58 GMT
#3122
On February 20 2015 05:55 ritoky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 05:50 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, I'm not literally modconfirmed. The mod hasn't come in and said I'm town. But you guys aren't actually gonna lynch me this game and you know it, you know it so much you're asking the SK or Scum to shoot me instead of trying to write a real case. We all know it's not happening so stop wasting everyone's time.


you asked if there was a chance, and I said yes

we should be lynching LS for made up reads.


Yeah, but I wasn't asking you.

We should be lynching VA for reasons that should be obvious. Nobody has a townread on him, everyone is like "VA doesn't play before someone flips scum" or something and somehow this has placated everyone. VA has done nothing. He will do nothing. He's getting away with it. I wish he wouldn't get away with it.
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February 19 2015 23:23 GMT
#3145
On February 20 2015 08:15 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On February 20 2015 04:08 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 20 2015 02:49 VayneAuthority wrote:
BH will you quit mafia if im not scum?


no, I don't see why I would? I mean, if you're somehow not scum that's on you Brometheus

On February 20 2015 04:01 Palmar wrote:
of all the things that make me town this game the rb claim is the least one of it robik.


This is accurate. Palmar isn't a scum janitor, an SK, or the scum RB (alternatively: scum has 2x RB or 2x janitor, very unlikely). If Palmar is scum he's a godfather or a vanilla scum. So, the RB claim doesn't make Palmar town at all, it just makes him not one or two particular scum PRs and not the SK.

On February 20 2015 04:07 Half the Sky wrote:
Dear Prince Ludwig the Indestructible,

Please shoot into any of the following Frenchmen tonight: Ritoky, prplhz or Blazinghand.

Your English Sympathiser,
HTS


>:| do you really think there's a chance I'm scum, just because you don't like the 'tude?


? all the best people at reading me have said im confirmed town, one is even flipped town. It would be on you for ignoring that. You're either scum or not as good as you think you are, pick one


good point rayn was the paragon of reason and usefulness this game oh no wait the opposite of that

in any case you're getting lynched tomorrow no matter what so don't even worry
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February 19 2015 23:28 GMT
#3149
On February 20 2015 08:26 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
good point rayn was the paragon of reason and usefulness this game oh no wait the opposite of that


I'll be blunt, you aren't categorically much better.


Do you disagree with my case on VA? Ah, there we go, looks like I'm right, so I must be someone reasonable. Also, unlike rayn, I haven't been mislynched, so I'm already more useful than him.
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February 19 2015 23:29 GMT
#3150
On February 20 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:
Also BH, you realise there are others(besides VA) suspecting you. There is a reason for that.


Yeah, but unlike VA you guys won't vote me so I have no need to worry. I'll just say what I think and not censor myself just because it bothers people.
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February 19 2015 23:31 GMT
#3151
Like, I'm gonna be real here, I'm not sure what exactly it is that bothers you guys about me, in terms of actual content. Sure, I said scummy things about rayn and have generally been unhelpful, but when I remember to, I give reads and evaluate other people's cases, and although you might call me tunnelled on VA, I have every reason to want to lynch him and so do you, so you can't even really say I'm wrong on that. I ALSO successfully called that rayn was willing to fake anger and claims as town despite his "angry" assurances that he'd never fake it, so there's that. I don't get much credit though because I didn't actually defend rayn though, and that's fair.
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February 19 2015 23:33 GMT
#3152
Like, people are legit mad at me for saying things that are correct, things like:

- noting that rayn can pretend to be angry as town
- noting that VA has been the best lynch every day and pushing him
---- remember, these are people who aGREE WITH ME THAT VA IS DOING NOTHING
- noting that superbia is not actually mod-confirmed, but is likely town
- noting that I am not actually mod-confirmed, but am fairly close to it

like why would you scumread me for any of this? I've even done other things like townread Alakaslam who is impossible to read anyways
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February 20 2015 00:09 GMT
#3157
On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:18 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
The non confirmed players are either Mafia or SK and I finding you as either the SK or Mafia by Process of Elimation from all my reads and the confirmed towns were claimed roles or mod confirmed (BH) and then I decided to go meta reading players and elimated but the 5 in the non confirmed pile so that means that you are either A. Mafia or B. Serial Killer.


I mean, explain how I have "mafia traits" from my meta in depth plz. examples necessary.

Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol


I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked.

your read is not only bad, but made up.

I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS.

Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them.


so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play?

WHAT?

Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet.


I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them?

Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it.

I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


still kinda interested in this. she told you this where?

cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you?

cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt.


if this actually pans out I nominate this for biggest play 2015
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February 20 2015 00:10 GMT
#3158
if that pans out I'll have to admit I'm not even on ritoky's level
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February 20 2015 00:26 GMT
#3161
so we're trying to figure out when HTS mentions ritoky to LS, right?

here are aall mentions of ritoky by HTS:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757501 laugh
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757555 query
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757569 about BH
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757590 asks robik about ritoky read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757604 ask ritoky about read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757610 ritoky null read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757684 asks ritoky about read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757770 considers ritoky's advice
implies ritoky is town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757826
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757836 says ritoky has point re FF
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757848 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757863 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23759937 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760192 mention suggestion of waiting
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23767701 "i have no idea why ritoky si scumreading me"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771535 scumreads ritoky
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta
calls out ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771590
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771683 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23772322 scumreads ritoky
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773827 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773869 case on ritoky for "ritoky's bs case" basically
defense vs ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773990
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773994 notes ritoky scumread
mentions ritoky as scummy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23774100
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23775355 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23777101 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23778295 passing
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780377 scumread on ritoky
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780629 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780643 passing
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780646 scumread on ritoky
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780659 same
same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23781853 calls for bullet on ritoky


NO MENTION OF CONVO WITH LS

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February 20 2015 00:30 GMT
#3162
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On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


still kinda interested in this. she told you this where?

cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you?

cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt.



So basically, there's only one time in the ENTIRE thread where HtS replies to lightningstrike about ritoky, and that's this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta

and it does not line up because there's no mention DrH or the fact that ritoky is less aggressive. She's asking questions:

On February 17 2015 06:11 Half the Sky wrote:
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On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia.


You're saying he's more passive as town than scum? He's talking a lot about his scumreads, but I don't know if he's not engaging his scumreads because he's unable to.

Last I recall his four scumreads were Lian, Breshke, myself and Rayn and none of us are in the US.



I think this is a fine reason to lynch both LS and HtS
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February 20 2015 00:31 GMT
#3164
On February 20 2015 09:31 IAmRobik wrote:
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On February 20 2015 08:28 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 20 2015 08:26 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 20 2015 08:23 Blazinghand wrote:
good point rayn was the paragon of reason and usefulness this game oh no wait the opposite of that


I'll be blunt, you aren't categorically much better.


Do you disagree with my case on VA? Ah, there we go, looks like I'm right, so I must be someone reasonable. Also, unlike rayn, I haven't been mislynched, so I'm already more useful than him.

YES. YOUR CASE ON VA SUCKS MASSIVE DICK! YOU HAPPY? I SAID IT. RAYN SAID IT. ALL YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT IS TRYING TO LYNCH A LOLOBV TOWN. YOU'RE PLAYING LIKE SHIT OR YOU'RE MAFIA. IT'S REALLY REALLY ANNOYING


oi read my posts right above this, ritoky is right
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February 20 2015 00:33 GMT
#3165
Yes that's right in just 20 minutes I skimmed a 13 page filter for all mentnions of LS or Ritoky and interactions between them and made a collated post, I'm just that baller.
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February 20 2015 00:43 GMT
#3168
@FF Yeah.

I gotta admit, I am not on ritoky's level. Damn ritoky good catch. You have my bow. It's also worth noting that if, by some insane stretch, you are mafia (or actually plausibly, SK), you are still above my level because a play like this as scum would be brilliant.
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February 20 2015 00:44 GMT
#3169
On February 20 2015 09:42 ritoky wrote:
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On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia.


What's even worse is here is LS town reading me early in the game for my meta of not tunneling and fighting, which he has now flipped to scum read me for what reason exactly?

Thank you for this find BH, I only read the HtS portion of this interaction.


Yeah I think we can pretty reasonably say that LS and HtS need to be lynched. This is very good news.
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February 20 2015 00:51 GMT
#3171
On February 20 2015 09:48 VayneAuthority wrote:
there is nothing that demonstrates HTS needs to be lynched, LS is the only one that lied. He could say he said it to anybody.


You think LS intentionally pretended to slip a mafia QT interaction with HtS, a townie, as scum? This is definitely possible, but LS isn't on my level where he'd think of that kind of thing. This is much more likely a genuine "I forgot I was talking with HtS about this in the scum QT" thing. Nice try covering for one of your two scumbuddies though
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February 20 2015 01:08 GMT
#3179
Why is IAmRobik mad? >.>
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February 20 2015 01:12 GMT
#3182
On February 20 2015 10:11 ritoky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 10:05 IAmRobik wrote:
On February 20 2015 09:44 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 20 2015 09:42 ritoky wrote:
On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia.


What's even worse is here is LS town reading me early in the game for my meta of not tunneling and fighting, which he has now flipped to scum read me for what reason exactly?

Thank you for this find BH, I only read the HtS portion of this interaction.


Yeah I think we can pretty reasonably say that LS and HtS need to be lynched. This is very good news.

WHY THE FUCK WOULD HTS NEED TO BE LYNCHED?!?!?


because the implication from the quote is that 1 of 3 things happened. either

a) they had this interaction in a scum qt and he slipped -> both are scum
b) they had this interaction in private messaging somehow -> modkill for rules
c) LS is lying about the interaction entirely and made it up -> LS scum, HtS = ?

in all 3 scenarios LS dies, figure the 2nd part out after.


Yeah no matter what LS is scum or is going to die. I actually think scenario A is significantly more likely than scenario C. Ritoky, players like you and I might be capable of C) but LS imo is not
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February 20 2015 01:38 GMT
#3196
On February 20 2015 10:27 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 20 2015 10:26 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 10:21 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet.


I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them?

Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it.

I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


still kinda interested in this. she told you this where?

cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you?

cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt.

It's in her filter but I will dig it up now since you asking for this. I;m back guys I forgot to say that I was going out to dinner with my Mom so catching up still.

Found it and it was me talking to HTS and which HTS responded to me that's why it might not be in my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=16#309


what in the holy fuck? this post has 0 to do with anything and responds to FF? you don't even post on this page, the page before it or the page after it.

Crap wrong post. Here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=89#1762


On February 20 2015 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Truncated quote:

On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


still kinda interested in this. she told you this where?

cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you?

cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt.



So basically, there's only one time in the ENTIRE thread where HtS replies to lightningstrike about ritoky, and that's this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta

and it does not line up because there's no mention DrH or the fact that ritoky is less aggressive. She's asking questions:

On February 17 2015 06:11 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia.


You're saying he's more passive as town than scum? He's talking a lot about his scumreads, but I don't know if he's not engaging his scumreads because he's unable to.

Last I recall his four scumreads were Lian, Breshke, myself and Rayn and none of us are in the US.



I think this is a fine reason to lynch both LS and HtS


On February 20 2015 09:42 ritoky wrote:
On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia.


What's even worse is here is LS town reading me early in the game for my meta of not tunneling and fighting, which he has now flipped to scum read me for what reason exactly?

Thank you for this find BH, I only read the HtS portion of this interaction.

I ninja'd you the post above yous


A valiant effort, LS, but in the time it took for you to commiserate in your Scum QT with your Scumbuddies about how to respond to this I found every mention of you or ritoky by HtS all game and documented it. There's no argument you can give. Nice try. Better luck next time you roll scum.
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February 20 2015 01:39 GMT
#3197
The fact of the matter is the scumteam never had a chance with players like me and ritoky in this game, get on my level scum
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February 20 2015 01:47 GMT
#3200
On February 20 2015 10:46 rsoultin wrote:
lol...wow, okay

so the argument here is legitimately "hts and ls like to hang out in their scum qt and reminisce about the good old days when ritoky was scum and liked to tunnel the shit out of people"

yeah, i'd say y'all have the game figured out. A+


another player not on me and ritoky's level
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February 20 2015 01:49 GMT
#3203
On February 20 2015 10:47 rsoultin wrote:
I see LS' post as missing a comma xP and y'all as either opportunistic scum or bumbling idiots


he's referencing a convo that didn't happen! are you kidding me???? omg
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#3210
On February 20 2015 10:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
Wait so you're speaking for LS now? Why didn't he tell us his post was formatted incorrectly?


yeah that's not what LS said lol
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#3211
On February 20 2015 10:56 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 20 2015 10:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 20 2015 10:47 rsoultin wrote:
I see LS' post as missing a comma xP and y'all as either opportunistic scum or bumbling idiots


he's referencing a convo that didn't happen! are you kidding me???? omg


Is he really? I went through your posts. She was complaining about being scumread by ritoky for what she perceived to be bad reasons. Didn't use the word tunnel...but come on lol, LS did when he mentioned the Carol game later on.

Are you really trying to tell me that the only possible interpretation of that post is that this was a super secret scum QT convo? xP


the only good interpretation is mine
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#3220
money posts are here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=159
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#3355
I was RBed

##vote LightningStrike
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February 20 2015 08:27 GMT
#3357
hey ritoky, let's talk strategy realy quick. I can push on LS pretty hard if you want, but it might actually hurt the wagon since many players (who are not at your/my level) don't trust me for some reason. At the very least I'm gonna post a quick summary and a couple links, and do the usual respond-to-questions thing, but do you want a hard push on LS from me, or just the regular casewriting? I'm thinking a hard push would be counterproductive to getting LS lynched
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February 20 2015 08:32 GMT
#3359
On February 20 2015 17:31 ritoky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 17:27 Blazinghand wrote:
hey ritoky, let's talk strategy realy quick. I can push on LS pretty hard if you want, but it might actually hurt the wagon since many players (who are not at your/my level) don't trust me for some reason. At the very least I'm gonna post a quick summary and a couple links, and do the usual respond-to-questions thing, but do you want a hard push on LS from me, or just the regular casewriting? I'm thinking a hard push would be counterproductive to getting LS lynched


Who would be the viable alternative to a LS lynch today?

I still don't have a firm opinion on VA like you do, so that's troublesome.


I'm voting LS either way, and writing a decent case on him, barring something very strange happening. The question is do you think it would help us lynch him if I want HAM on him or would it be better if I let you drive the wagon
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February 20 2015 08:34 GMT
#3362
On February 20 2015 17:32 ritoky wrote:
I just can't see how LS is not scum from his play. he slipped pretty clearly, he manufactured a read that is a direct contradiction, his defense was bad.....there's just so much there...I can't really see myself voting on anyone else at this point, but if you have a better case or equal one then I am up for hearing it.


I don't. I'm discusssing what's our best strategy for getting LS Lycnhed today. Do you get what i'm saying? I'm voting LS 100% but how much I write about him... like it might not be optimal for me to actually write a lot of case on him, you get what I'm saying? People are stupid and dont' trust me
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February 20 2015 08:34 GMT
#3363
On February 20 2015 17:34 ritoky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 17:32 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 20 2015 17:31 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 17:27 Blazinghand wrote:
hey ritoky, let's talk strategy realy quick. I can push on LS pretty hard if you want, but it might actually hurt the wagon since many players (who are not at your/my level) don't trust me for some reason. At the very least I'm gonna post a quick summary and a couple links, and do the usual respond-to-questions thing, but do you want a hard push on LS from me, or just the regular casewriting? I'm thinking a hard push would be counterproductive to getting LS lynched


Who would be the viable alternative to a LS lynch today?

I still don't have a firm opinion on VA like you do, so that's troublesome.


I'm voting LS either way, and writing a decent case on him, barring something very strange happening. The question is do you think it would help us lynch him if I want HAM on him or would it be better if I let you drive the wagon


just do a normal case on him, if people can't see it clearly from that point then they're not going to understand it when being beaten over the head with it.

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#3382
Being correct isn't "beneath me"
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#3405
On February 21 2015 06:23 Superbia wrote:
For the paranoid people, BH can 100% confirm himself tonight by JKing me.


Yeah and I'll be shot, which will make me even MORE confirmed! I don't mind that outcome for tonight
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#3411
On February 21 2015 06:52 Superbia wrote:
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On February 21 2015 06:45 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 21 2015 06:23 Superbia wrote:
For the paranoid people, BH can 100% confirm himself tonight by JKing me.


Yeah and I'll be shot, which will make me even MORE confirmed! I don't mind that outcome for tonight


I think this is going to happen a 100% tonight anyway.


yeah there's no way for me to avoid getting shot as far as I can tell. in fact, I might as well not even submit a JK on superbia, leving him completely unprotected, huehuehue

seriously though there's no way I could wifom scum into not shooting me no matter what I say. I'll save you nonetheless though
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February 20 2015 22:17 GMT
#3413
I don't think JAT is in this game...?
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February 20 2015 23:05 GMT
#3423
OK, so all of the dead townies were townreading LS. The only one who wasn't was the one who was shot last night (Robik), by the scumteam.

So, here's one of Robik's, um, last benedictions? Robik was shot N2 but during N1 he was serious. Later one he gives scumreads of LS, prplhz, damdy and rsoultin. HE was, of course, right about damdy.

On February 17 2015 07:13 IAmRobik wrote:
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On February 17 2015 07:07 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 17 2015 06:58 Palmar wrote:
On February 17 2015 05:53 Town Puppy wrote:

Notable nulls: Palmar, ray, HtS. I just haven't read enough of any of their posts. I still feel like HtS wouldn't fakeclaim miller, and I think 2 Jk, 2 mill, 1 cop is probably legit. So I guess she's town but this is predicated on a yolo read so yeah.

I liked what Palmar said when he posted and I didn't like ray's tone when he posted. But it's weak. Eh.


It's official. I am stuck in some kind of an eternal purgatory where no one will be sure I'm town. Ever.

I been townreading you for since I started to see you would do shit on the weekend when normally you CBA to do shit on the weekend :O

LYNCH LS TOMORROW. DO NOT FUCKIGN QUESTION IT. JUST DO IT. I MAY NOT BE AROUND, BUT YOU HAVE ONE FUCKING MISSION AND THAT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PERSON DOES NOT SURVIVE TIL TOMORROW. I MAY OR MAY NOT EXPLAIN WHY IN POSTGAME, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO TRUST THAT THIS READ IS ACCURATE. PALMAR -- IT'S KINDA LIKE THE READ I GAVE ON YOU IN HEAVYWEIGHT. PLEASE JUST FAITH.


On February 20 2015 10:11 IAmRobik wrote:
cause people don't fucking listen to me and it's fucking annoying. I made a raelly really really strong meta case for why rayn was town -- you guys lynched him anyway. Both rayn and i are telling you that VA is town...you insist on trying to lynch him. I said that LS was mafia like 3 fucking days ago, and now that someone made a "real case" people are on board. Like what fucking games are you twits playing


This is his final post. HE wants LS dead. I would like to note (and this is just for you, dead Robik) that Robik never actually writes a case on LS. Times he mentions LS or LightningStrike are always things like "trust me LS is scum" or "I'll explain later" which is annoying as crap.

hmm, if only a confirmed townie had a scumread on LS

well, onto the main show I guess, Slam, here's what happened overnight.

So, LS and ritoky are talking and LS says this:

On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:18 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 05:32 ritoky wrote:
[quote]

explain this in depth please.

The non confirmed players are either Mafia or SK and I finding you as either the SK or Mafia by Process of Elimation from all my reads and the confirmed towns were claimed roles or mod confirmed (BH) and then I decided to go meta reading players and elimated but the 5 in the non confirmed pile so that means that you are either A. Mafia or B. Serial Killer.


I mean, explain how I have "mafia traits" from my meta in depth plz. examples necessary.

Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol


I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked.

your read is not only bad, but made up.

I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS.

Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them.


so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play?

WHAT?

Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet.


I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them?

Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it.

I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


emphasis mine

ritoky replies:

On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:
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On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:18 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:15 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
The non confirmed players are either Mafia or SK and I finding you as either the SK or Mafia by Process of Elimation from all my reads and the confirmed towns were claimed roles or mod confirmed (BH) and then I decided to go meta reading players and elimated but the 5 in the non confirmed pile so that means that you are either A. Mafia or B. Serial Killer.


I mean, explain how I have "mafia traits" from my meta in depth plz. examples necessary.

Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol


I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked.

your read is not only bad, but made up.

I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS.

Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them.


so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play?

WHAT?

Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet.


I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them?

Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it.

I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


still kinda interested in this. she told you this where?

cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you?

cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt.


So, to be clear here, LS is talking about an interaction that never happened. he and HTS never had this discussion in-thread. I prove this:

On February 20 2015 09:26 Blazinghand wrote:
so we're trying to figure out when HTS mentions ritoky to LS, right?

here are aall mentions of ritoky by HTS:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757501 laugh
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757555 query
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757569 about BH
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757590 asks robik about ritoky read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757604 ask ritoky about read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757610 ritoky null read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757684 asks ritoky about read
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757770 considers ritoky's advice
implies ritoky is town http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757826
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757836 says ritoky has point re FF
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757848 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23757863 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23759937 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23760192 mention suggestion of waiting
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23767701 "i have no idea why ritoky si scumreading me"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771535 scumreads ritoky
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta
calls out ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771590
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771683 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23772322 scumreads ritoky
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773827 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773869 case on ritoky for "ritoky's bs case" basically
defense vs ritoky http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773990
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773994 notes ritoky scumread
mentions ritoky as scummy http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23774100
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23775355 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23777101 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23778295 passing
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780377 scumread on ritoky
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780629 same
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780643 passing
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780646 scumread on ritoky
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23780659 same
same http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23781853 calls for bullet on ritoky


NO MENTION OF CONVO WITH LS



On February 20 2015 09:30 Blazinghand wrote:
Truncated quote:

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On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


still kinda interested in this. she told you this where?

cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you?

cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt.



So basically, there's only one time in the ENTIRE thread where HtS replies to lightningstrike about ritoky, and that's this:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23771576 talks about ritoky passivity as town vs scum, and his engagmeent with scumreads, with lightningstrike, sepcifically asking about meta

and it does not line up because there's no mention DrH or the fact that ritoky is less aggressive. She's asking questions:

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On February 17 2015 06:11 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 17 2015 06:06 LightningStrike wrote:
Also I think ritoky is town this game since he not fighting anyone at all like he did in his two games when I saw him play as Mafia.


You're saying he's more passive as town than scum? He's talking a lot about his scumreads, but I don't know if he's not engaging his scumreads because he's unable to.

Last I recall his four scumreads were Lian, Breshke, myself and Rayn and none of us are in the US.



I think this is a fine reason to lynch both LS and HtS


Now, people are calling this a "scumslip" case, and it's generally well-known that scumslips don't actually exist, and more townies scumslip than scum. However, this isn't the case of accidentally calling someone town or calling someone the gf when you shouldn't be sure of that, it's not some kind of minor slip thing. It's a reference to a conversation. It's not a weirdly worded phrase, it's a deliberate statement. LightningStrike says, "HTS told me X Y Z and ritoky tunnelling this game" when HTS said NO SUCH THING. There's a number of explanations for this, but the most likely is simply that HTS *did* tell him that and he forgot that the interaction didn't happen in-thread.

He first replies with this:

On February 20 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 20 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:36 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:28 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
Ya when you are Mafia you tend to super tunnel on someone for Example me in Carol of the Bells and Dr.H in Imperial. This game you been tunneled on HTS and now Me and this is the type of trait I associate with you when you are Mafia. Although i remember you Mass Murderer Slip was hilarious in Carol


I mean you're right I tunnel as both alignments. you obviously don't care very much about this read since you weren't willing to actually go find examples like asked.

your read is not only bad, but made up.

I am not tryharding enough to be scum this game, and there has been 0 conviction in any of my reads until this one. so I don't know where you have this "tunnel" shit coming from. in fact last phase I gave a complicated null read on HtS.

Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them.


so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play?

WHAT?

Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet.


I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them?

Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it.

I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


still kinda interested in this. she told you this where?

cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you?

cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt.

It's in her filter but I will dig it up now since you asking for this. I;m back guys I forgot to say that I was going out to dinner with my Mom so catching up still.

Found it and it was me talking to HTS and which HTS responded to me that's why it might not be in my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=16#309


which is completely unrelated.

then he rplies with this:

On February 20 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 20 2015 10:21 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 10:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 10:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:08 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 07:06 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:57 ritoky wrote:
On February 20 2015 06:53 LightningStrike wrote:
[quote]
Fine show me your town games and I will take a look at them.


so wait, you're meta reading me as mafia when you have no idea about my town play and I am not emulating my mafia play?

WHAT?

Only saw your Mafia games but never your town games and the database isn't up ti date yet.


I mean, regardless of your alignment. If you don't have an understanding of someone's play as both alignments, why in the hell would you ever try to meta read them?

Beyond that, it's your only stated reason for scum reading me and you just openly invalidated it.

I only invalidated it through POE but that was main source you getting being Antitown (SK or Mafia) and also HTS told me pretty much that you started to tunnel her but you didn't seen as agressive you were towards Me or Dr.H in the 2 previous games you were Mafia so you might as well show me your knife.


still kinda interested in this. she told you this where?

cuz I just went through her filter and the only thing that even comes close to her saying what you said was directed at palmar. in fact she has rarely directly spoken to you at all in the thread. so where did she tell you?

cuz if it was a private thing, it was either against the rules or in a qt.

It's in her filter but I will dig it up now since you asking for this. I;m back guys I forgot to say that I was going out to dinner with my Mom so catching up still.

Found it and it was me talking to HTS and which HTS responded to me that's why it might not be in my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=16#309


what in the holy fuck? this post has 0 to do with anything and responds to FF? you don't even post on this page, the page before it or the page after it.

Crap wrong post. Here it is: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=89#1762


which I had already debunked. LS's immediate reaction isn't "oh, this is what I'm talking about, you guys misinterperted me", his reaction is just to link us to shit that isn't relevant. Like, this is NOT a case of a wording issue, this is a case of LS thinking a conversation happened in this thread when it did NOT. my opponents will tell you this is a simple scumslip case, but it is not a scumslip case. LS doesn't react how someone would if his wording has been misinterpreted. He didn't say "oh, I wasn't claming HTS said that, she didn't say that; I meant that I thought that" or something like that. No, he MEANT what he wrote and we interpreted him fine.
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February 20 2015 23:25 GMT
#3427
hts
ritoky
VA
rsoultin
LS
palm
slam
prplhz
bh
superb
FF

so we've got 11 alive - 7 town, 3 scum, 1 SK. assuming we lynch a scum and SK and scum both shoot into town, tomorrow will be 5-2-1. if we lynch scum again it's 3-1-1, and if we lynch scum or SK from there it's 2-1 LYLO

effectively, assuming the SK only shoots into town, and scum only shoots into town, and we also lynch the entire mafia team before lynching the SK, we are currently at lylo.

Now, this is the worst best-case-scenario: it assumes we ALWAYS lynch scum, but lynch in the worst order, and that scum and SK always shoot into town. IF we lynch the SK today (unlikely) or when we're at 5-2-1 (possible) we end up at 4-2 MYLO instead of 3-1-1 LYLO in a couple days. If scum shoots the SK or the SK shoots into scum again, we potentially could end up at 6-2 or 6-1-1 tomorrow if we lynch scum today, or we could fail to lynch scum and end up at 6-3 or 6-2-1 (6-2-1 progresses to 4-1-1 then to 3-1 MYLO). So basically depending on how shots go, we might get another shot at it, but we MUST lynch scum. Even if we lynch the SK last, even if the SK and mafia only ever shoot into town, we are still fine as long as we always lynch scum.

In any case, if we do mislynch today somehow (I'm talking to you LS; if you're town pay attention this part. You're not town, but I always extend this courtesy) we're actually still not out of the game. we go into tonight at 6-3-1 and assuming scum and SK shoot into us, we come out of it at 4-3-1. At this point it's very unlikely, but plausible, for town to win. SK will want to lynch scum, and if that happens we go into the night 4-2-1. if the SK shoots at random, he's got a 33% chance of hitting scum and dropping us into 3-1-1 which is LYLO for town.

So, I guess what I'm getting at here LS is that if you get lynched and flip town, town doesn't automatically lose. We have a very strong chance of losing, but we don't lose automatically. We can still win in the right circumstance,s and those circumstances rely on being able to lynch scum every day for the rest of teh game.

That's where you come in, LS. If you flip town, I promise to read your filter and push your cases. As you die, I will treat you with respect and engage you on reads. Leave behind knoweldge for us, use your coming confirmation (in 24 hours) as a scalpel to cleave apart the scum.

AS a townie, you still win if you're dead and the town wins.

Be a man and write cases, even if they wont' save you. There's more to life than surviving, sometimes you gotta live.

If you're really town: Catch scum and win the game for us, even in death.

If you're scum, though, feel free to complain, pretend to be tired, and slink away into the darkness. I won't mind.
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February 20 2015 23:26 GMT
#3428
On February 21 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 21 2015 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 21 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
You know what I giving up there is no way in hell I wont get lynched. GG WP I guess YOLO SWAG 420 BLAZE IT! But I really tired and I can't defend myself or make a good case for people to sheep there is no way I can win this for town T_T

There's still...... 29.75 hours if I'm not mistaken

Every time I try to talk it's like I'm talking to a brickwall so what is the point? WHAT IS THE POINT?

I am willing to engage you on topics of conversation and, except for the part where I push you and vote you and get you lynched, I will treat you like a confirmed town player. Ignore the others, if you must, but if you flip town, that doesn't lose the game for us, if we play perfectly and the stars align.

So, from your perspective, you're conftown in about a day. Your words carry weight. You're smart, dedicated, and soon you will be utterly trustworthy. Even better, you have one of the best players in this game here to help you think and bounce ideas off of. Let's get to work.
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February 20 2015 23:36 GMT
#3434
On February 21 2015 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay let's lynch Slam he seems like his mafia meta from Slytherin this game. He doesn't seem to scum hunt or do his own pushes and wouldn't push any of his reads this game. He's Mafia this game and here's his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam
##Vote: Alakaslam


Hmm, I like where you're going here with slam, to an extent. I'm actually really interested in this, as I have a strong townread on slam this game! I naturally don't question your motivations much as you are conftown, but let's talk reasoning. I'm uh, not sure what exactly you're trying to point me at here in slytherin mafia. I do notice that in Slytherin mafia, slam isn't actually a huge pusher, but he does make some votes. In general though, yeah, his play in slytherin is definitely laconic. I'm not sure his play THIS game really matches up though, you know? Let me show you some of his stuff from this game that has no comparison from slytherin:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23763674

in this post, Slam is actually pretty clear. He shred's TP's post with like, one lucid sentence. Not bad. Note that he also turns out to be right as there's double JK this game.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773965

this and his two posts after it show some critical thought that I'd not have expected from scum slam.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23778007

though he's wrong here it's a noble attempt.


I guess also part of it is that Slam acts like this as town, too, you know? Like yeah he's fooling around a lot but he IS making plays, compared with slytherin where he makes few.
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February 20 2015 23:57 GMT
#3440
On February 21 2015 08:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
BH since you seem to be dealing with LS more handily than I, is there any legwork you want done? I can dive a filter or two or something.


I can handle the slam meta read. If you could do a reread on palmar that would be awesome
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February 21 2015 00:00 GMT
#3442
On February 21 2015 08:46 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 21 2015 08:36 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 21 2015 05:24 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay let's lynch Slam he seems like his mafia meta from Slytherin this game. He doesn't seem to scum hunt or do his own pushes and wouldn't push any of his reads this game. He's Mafia this game and here's his filter from that game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477307-slytherin-mini-mafia?user=Alakaslam
##Vote: Alakaslam


Hmm, I like where you're going here with slam, to an extent. I'm actually really interested in this, as I have a strong townread on slam this game! I naturally don't question your motivations much as you are conftown, but let's talk reasoning. I'm uh, not sure what exactly you're trying to point me at here in slytherin mafia. I do notice that in Slytherin mafia, slam isn't actually a huge pusher, but he does make some votes. In general though, yeah, his play in slytherin is definitely laconic. I'm not sure his play THIS game really matches up though, you know? Let me show you some of his stuff from this game that has no comparison from slytherin:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23763674

in this post, Slam is actually pretty clear. He shred's TP's post with like, one lucid sentence. Not bad. Note that he also turns out to be right as there's double JK this game.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23773965

this and his two posts after it show some critical thought that I'd not have expected from scum slam.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23778007

though he's wrong here it's a noble attempt.


I guess also part of it is that Slam acts like this as town, too, you know? Like yeah he's fooling around a lot but he IS making plays, compared with slytherin where he makes few.

I think I just got paranoia again from just playing a game with Slam being Mafia >.> I tend to get paranoia when I just played with the player when they were Mafia. But I think prpl or however you spell his seems mafia and I might just build my own case on him but warning I only had 7 hours of sleep >.>


That's fine. It's useful to have a comparison point of how Slam plays as town, which is uh, pretty similarly awful to his scumgame and this game btw

On February 21 2015 08:32 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 21 2015 08:26 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 21 2015 08:18 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 21 2015 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
On February 21 2015 08:11 LightningStrike wrote:
You know what I giving up there is no way in hell I wont get lynched. GG WP I guess YOLO SWAG 420 BLAZE IT! But I really tired and I can't defend myself or make a good case for people to sheep there is no way I can win this for town T_T

There's still...... 29.75 hours if I'm not mistaken

Every time I try to talk it's like I'm talking to a brickwall so what is the point? WHAT IS THE POINT?

I am willing to engage you on topics of conversation and, except for the part where I push you and vote you and get you lynched, I will treat you like a confirmed town player. Ignore the others, if you must, but if you flip town, that doesn't lose the game for us, if we play perfectly and the stars align.

So, from your perspective, you're conftown in about a day. Your words carry weight. You're smart, dedicated, and soon you will be utterly trustworthy. Even better, you have one of the best players in this game here to help you think and bounce ideas off of. Let's get to work.

Okay had you played with Slam when he was Mafia or remember how played he in Slytherin? If so do you think he's playing his Mafia meta?


So I just went over his slytherin filter, when he was mafia. He was town in Carol of the bells: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells

he's got a few moments were he calls people out and such, and seems a LITTLE more interested in making cases than in Slytherin, but it's not exactly night and day, you know? A lot of it is just "is he even trying a tiny bit"
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#3443
On February 21 2015 08:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah he mentioned he was rbed N1 and I didn't even see that. I'm on it


I'm very sure the N1 RB was Town Puppy / Eden's doing.
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#3454
On February 21 2015 09:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
Regarding the N1 rb situation, how unlikely is it that mafia held the RB and TP jailed you? Do the mechanics behind that even work?


fairly unlikely. possible, but unlikely. The idea that mafia would risk NOT rbing me when I might save TP? not plausible
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#3455
Like, if I was scum and there were 2 JKs, absolutely 100% I RB one and shoot the other. If my teammates even suggested another course of action I'd like, shout at them or something.
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#3457
On February 21 2015 09:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ugh now I feel like this damdred interaction stuff is pointless if the RB makes him likely non mafia and definitely not sk..


Why would the fact that Palmar was RBed make him not mafia? All it means is that Town Puppy decided to RB him and he accurately reported that fact.
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#3463
On February 21 2015 10:43 LightningStrike wrote:
When I said flip blue I mean Mafia.


yeah the coloring system in this game is hilarious
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#3464
On February 21 2015 10:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay I just reread the flip and discovered Damdred was blue. No wonder Breshke was off and Damdred did look very much his town meta T_T Anyway guys I will present my case tomorrow morning on prplhz being Mafia to make sure I format it right and shit.


ok! if possible please try to include your thoughts on someone besides prplhz. I am pretty sure prplhz will be lynched anyways
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#3467
Hey FF, looking over it now.

On February 21 2015 09:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
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On February 16 2015 05:03 prplhz wrote:
On February 16 2015 04:50 KelsierSC wrote:
prpl can you give where you are at in the game?

I don't even know what this means.

##Vote Breshke

I can get with this. Reading his filter I don't think anything points at him being town or mafia. I didn't even remember he was in this game. Text book under the radar guy. This is a lot better than raynpelikoneet and VayneAuthority and what else is going around. I'm even willing to let KelsierSC go for now because he's actually around doing stuff.



this particular post is VERY interesting now. The guy could just be busy. I really don't see how I can lynch anyone but LS today, there is simply nothing better to go off of. Not because of the slip either, that is pretty much useless but interesting useless.

what did the Breshke wagon look like at this time?
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#3469
Ah I'm gonna grab dinner I'll read the palmar thing later
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#3522
i don't see any particular reason to not lynch prplhz other than that LS is 100% scum so we should lynch LS first
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#3538
we will not lynch you today Palmar.

So, LS, got any other things you want me to look into?
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#3540
BTW I generally like the Palmar case (not sure if I mentioned this) but he's not close to being on my list lynch today
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#3546
On February 22 2015 08:24 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 22 2015 08:18 Blazinghand wrote:
we will not lynch you today Palmar.

So, LS, got any other things you want me to look into?

Check ritoky, VA(again).


can you link me to your thoughts on them?
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#3549
On February 22 2015 08:32 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 22 2015 08:25 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 22 2015 08:24 LightningStrike wrote:
On February 22 2015 08:18 Blazinghand wrote:
we will not lynch you today Palmar.

So, LS, got any other things you want me to look into?

Check ritoky, VA(again).


can you link me to your thoughts on them?

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On February 20 2015 00:32 LightningStrike wrote:
My entire thought process for now:
Confirmed Town: Blazinghand, Superbia, Half the Sky.
Non confirmed Town: ritoky, VayneAuthority, IAmRobik,, Alakaslam, prplhz ,Fecalfeast, Palmar, rsoultin, Damdred.
POE out of META from being Antitown: Fecalfeast, Palmar, rsoultin, Damdred.
Reason for each one of them:
Fecalfeast looks like he did in Slytherin Mafia although he looked worse than that game when I first read him but his read on me is bad
Palmar: Palmar being Palmar I heard he doesn’t try when he’s Mafia and he been trying this game since the weekend when he normally cba on the weekend.
Rsoultin: I know her pretty well and the last time she was Mafia she was reading very weird that entire game but this game she just been calling town and been standing her ground like she normally does <3
Damdred: Despite coming in late he looking like himself being very decisive which he was every time I played with him but I never played with him when he was Mafia though but he doensn’t really look like his scum game in Imperial which is a semi recent game that got a Mafia victory.
Now there is Mafia in my eyes in ritoky, VayneAuthority, IAmRobik,, Alakaslam, prplhz so this could be very well the entire anti town for me which 4 Mafia and 1 SK is 5 players and I got 5 and Robik might have been a wrong meta read which I taking into account for this and the fact he been tunneling the shit out of me and Slam is mostly unreadable for me this game and the last I couldn’t read him he was Mafia in Slytherin so I think he might be Mafia this game on meta for me. Ritoky although he looked better than his last mafia games I seen him play (Carol which I played and Imperial I shadowed) but he seem to still have some of his mafia traits in him but not as much as that time and give there been time since these two games happened he could of worked on his Mafia play. Prplhz he might be a vet as far I’m concerned and if he is one he looks really bad like Gobble bad meaning he could be mafia with very poor play and he doesn’t look very townie this game. VA he being absolutely useless this game and even more useless than in NYE Party mafia which I played with him so I think he could mafia on that alone.




quick Q, why is HtS conftown? couldn't she be fakeclaiming miller?
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#3699
are we really not lynching LS?

also superbia could easily be SK, but we're not lynching him today anyways. universally non-mafia read, not universally townread

On February 22 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 19 2015 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
WIFOM ALERT:

I would be so hype to be SK ritoky so that argument doesn't scare me.


FF has an 18-page filter this game. I repeat, 18-page filter. Usually we have to beg him to play lol ><


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#3719
On February 22 2015 12:59 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 22 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
are we really not lynching LS?

also superbia could easily be SK, but we're not lynching him today anyways. universally non-mafia read, not universally townread

On February 22 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
WIFOM ALERT:

I would be so hype to be SK ritoky so that argument doesn't scare me.


FF has an 18-page filter this game. I repeat, 18-page filter. Usually we have to beg him to play lol ><


words, words, words


I refuted your case on LS, and I trust my toneread (with a 100% success rate, btw) way more than your sniping, anyway. ritoky's case was better.


saying something doesn't make it true

On February 22 2015 13:01 Superbia wrote:
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On February 22 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:
are we really not lynching LS?

also superbia could easily be SK, but we're not lynching him today anyways. universally non-mafia read, not universally townread

On February 22 2015 12:45 rsoultin wrote:
On February 19 2015 08:36 Fecalfeast wrote:
WIFOM ALERT:

I would be so hype to be SK ritoky so that argument doesn't scare me.


FF has an 18-page filter this game. I repeat, 18-page filter. Usually we have to beg him to play lol ><


words, words, words


I'd propose a JK on me tonight if I was the SK?


The fact that you made this statement is pretty awful. Any player on my level wouldn't make this statement. Now that you've said it, me JKing you this night does nothing since the SK would shoot at you (shot gets blocked, you get lynched tomorrow). If you never mentioned this it would have worked, and obviously I as a high level player was going to Jail you tonight. You fool. You utter fool.

Or of course you're SK and now if I JK you there's an excuse for no KP going through.
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#3742
Prplhx had e good chance to flip scum. I will shed no tears for him. Nonetheless ls is a better lynch and so is VA

On February 22 2015 13:16 Superbia wrote:
BH, the fact that you put suspicion on me enabled that SK play. Any blame on me is just the same reflected on a lower level. Whatever.


Nicely deflected. I have no interest in lynching you today, worry not
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#3750
On February 22 2015 13:26 prplhz wrote:
what robik said about blazinghand rubbing his confirmed town status in the face of town is really true, i just cannot get it out of my head.


entirely plausibly because you're scum. My statements and actions are 30% more hilarious when I'm talking to scum because they would love to lynch me

On February 22 2015 13:27 Superbia wrote:
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On February 22 2015 13:24 Blazinghand wrote:
Prplhx had e good chance to flip scum. I will shed no tears for him. Nonetheless ls is a better lynch and so is VA

On February 22 2015 13:16 Superbia wrote:
BH, the fact that you put suspicion on me enabled that SK play. Any blame on me is just the same reflected on a lower level. Whatever.


Nicely deflected. I have no interest in lynching you today, worry not


If SK is confident in taking me into end-game I'll be more than happy. If we reach final 3 or something like that I'll be confirmed due to set up information.


Why are you trying to convince me? I'm 100% dead tonight anyways

On February 22 2015 13:28 Superbia wrote:
BH what are your thoughts on prplhz?


I really don't care. Hopefully we lynch LS instead but I can't be bothered to lead this town any more. I'm out of this game in 24 hours anyways. I'll provide reads and ask questions and interact with people but if you guys are gonna lynch prplhz before Lightningstrike AND vayneauthority you are beyond help.
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#3753
On February 22 2015 13:35 Superbia wrote:
What about Palmar and Slam?


Slam town, Palmar scummish but not on the top of my lynch chart.
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#3770
On February 22 2015 13:38 Superbia wrote:
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On February 22 2015 13:37 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 22 2015 13:35 Superbia wrote:
What about Palmar and Slam?


Slam town, Palmar scummish but not on the top of my lynch chart.


Who's LS with?


I don't draw associative tells between unflipped players

On February 22 2015 13:40 Superbia wrote:
I want to kill Palmar.


Not today. He will eventually need to die.

On February 22 2015 13:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Am i switching to ls bh? I am your squire


I believe LS is the best lynch.


On February 22 2015 13:44 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 22 2015 13:40 Fecalfeast wrote:
Am i switching to ls bh? I am your squire


why are you constantly buddying up to bh? -_-


I'm conftown and he doesn't want to draw my ire,
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#3793
On February 22 2015 13:49 prplhz wrote:
every time i read a post by blazinghand i'm becoming more and more convinced he's playing mafia wearing a minnie mouse skirt


I'm shirtless from the waist down

On February 22 2015 13:51 Superbia wrote:
This game is so dumb and confusing, it wouldn't actually surprise me if BH was mafia.


it would enrage you, though, wouldn't it?

On February 22 2015 13:52 rsoultin wrote:
ls is town >< you say you have a soul read on FF. I have literally never been wrong about ls. I may doubt him sometimes, but when it comes to the lynch I've always been right. Don't kill him.


and therefore you'll never ever be wrong about him, right? clearly it's impossible <--- sarcasm
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#3813
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>mfw when we're not lynching LS today
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#3817
It's not over if we lynch a townie today, I've shown that with math earlier.

On February 22 2015 13:56 prplhz wrote:
i have never seen a last minute switch to scum like this lol

I have.

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#3828
On February 22 2015 13:57 prplhz wrote:
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On February 22 2015 13:57 Half the Sky wrote:
On February 22 2015 13:55 prplhz wrote:
is this majority or plurality lynch? are we sure we have a lynch?


Yea I was confused with the rules D1 - I asked and he said plurality.

sure? the OP says majority


I hate you guys so much. I'm not doing this because I want Palmar to die, but he has a chance of flipping scum and we cant nolynch today.

##unvote
##vote Palmar


Palmar I'm sorry. I'm only doing this to prevent NL
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#3845
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#3855
On February 22 2015 14:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Wow so my meta read on him was off. Fuck. But still seriously lets lynch prplhz tomorrow guys.

you're dead tomorrow 100%
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#3859
On February 22 2015 14:13 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 22 2015 14:13 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 22 2015 14:12 LightningStrike wrote:
Wow so my meta read on him was off. Fuck. But still seriously lets lynch prplhz tomorrow guys.

you're dead tomorrow 100%

Well you asking to lose then because I'm town.


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#3948
Well I'm probably dead so I'll be free of this place. Sadly, without my leadership, I'm not sure what you will do. Follow my guidelines for victory.

LS - Scum
VA - I've said it once, I'll say it again. VA is scum. RNG 5 Eva.

Don't trust Superbia. he's the SK.

lynch scum. don't be distracted.

I JKed Superbia.
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#3953
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#3956
wat. I didn't get an RB PM, how could Superbia possibly be dead
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#3957
well time to lynch LS. That RS flip pretty much seals it

##vote LightningStrike
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#3959
oh nvm that's the 1-shot RB i guess
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#3965
On February 23 2015 14:11 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea they used the garlic on BH tonight or w/e. that now ends all their powers. this is your last day out on the town BH it seems.


Yeah tbh I was kinda hoping to die so I could stop putting in effort but now I have to play and help :/
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#4034
On February 24 2015 01:55 Half the Sky wrote:
Blazinghand, can you please confirm that 3 millers/GF in a 17-person game is excessive cop hate. I think it is.


In a game with two JKs and a Veteran, if you wanted to also add in a cop you'd need excessive cop hate to prevent a town steamroll. It makes sense for there to be a cop as well so the SK choice isn't stupid. I wouldn't run a setup like this but I could see it being run.
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#4036
##unvote
##vote prplhz
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#4038
On February 24 2015 02:48 Half the Sky wrote:
I have no idea of knowing whether SK went with the protection or the green check ability though.


yeah the SK could go with either but the main thing here is that for the host to give SK that choice at all you'd expect there to be a cop
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#4040
On February 24 2015 02:49 Half the Sky wrote:
So BH, you're saying it's possible that prplhz could be Miller? With 2 millers, a GF and an SK that could possibly have chosen the GF route?


i mean, yeah it's possible that prplhz could be a miller in the same sense that it's possible that I've been eaten and replaced by a reptilian doppleganger. prplhz was a good lynch even without this claim from slam with a scumcheck on him, I see no reason to believe prplhz claim over slam claim
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#4042
On February 24 2015 02:52 Half the Sky wrote:
Well it was either him or LS, and I was pretty sure you were pushing LS earlier, or seemed more adamant on him. I think LS would have gotten MLed without this claim.


LS is not mafia. We know this since he started complaining about being PMed by a dead mafia player. A mafia player would not complain about this.
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#4050
I'm here intermittently
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#4061
On February 24 2015 05:52 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 24 2015 04:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I'm here intermittently

Can you Jail Keep Ritoky and see what happens tonight?

I can. I would note, however, that it is currently daytime
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#4071
well, we have a cop claim with a scum check on a guy who was generally considered scummy, not a whole lot to discuss, you know?
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#4073
yep, we sure could.
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#4089
p good
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#4095
On February 25 2015 09:37 Fecalfeast wrote:
lol if I was the last scum with a red check on me I would be shitting up the thread so hard


that would require there to be a thread to shit up in the first place. Given that we're not really doing anything today, yes, in theory he COULD make a bunch of posts and generate a few pages of uselessness, but it wouldn't impact us at all
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#4107
haha if I were SK that would be awesome
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February 25 2015 06:37 GMT
#4111
well "not seeing anything from sent" right now is something you have in common with everyone else in this thread!
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February 25 2015 06:41 GMT
#4113
Yet another lynch secured due to my fearless, tireless leadership.

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February 25 2015 10:22 GMT
#4118
You know, I'm kinda amazed scum didn't shoot me, given that I:

1. was pretty much mod-confirmed town
2. was a PR
3. had amazing reads all game

it's kinda strange tbh
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February 25 2015 11:43 GMT
#4150
On February 25 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2015 20:24 Superbia wrote:
Consider the scenarios, though.

1. Don't say anything:
Town basically straight up loses because it is very likely that at least one, if not both the JKs get lynched. Worst case scenario, imo.

2. Say something:
This sucks for mafia because there are basically two mod-confirmed town right off the bat (even though a part of town still doubted this until the very end), on the flip side both the save roles are outed. Town-favored, since it mod confirms two town and prevents mafia from fake claiming their roles at any point.

3. Say something and restart the game:
I think this might have been a decent solution, since it was only day 1. This gives both town and mafia some insight as to what the set up is. However, it is still town-favored since the exact number of roles are now known so a fake claim is slightly harder.


I think the best way to prevent this sort of situation is to tell both JKs that there is another JK in their role PM.


If town is moronic enough to lynch off setup speculations, that's their problem. Not mine.


Yeah honestly I managed to figure out that 2x JK was viable without the hint, and although I joked about being "high level" in the game, it's not that hard. As a general rule, the DEFAULT is that it's possible to have 2x of a role so Eden's "counter-claim" wasn't really a counter claim. It's unlikely, but there's no reason it can't be true.

On February 25 2015 20:29 Superbia wrote:
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On February 25 2015 20:28 Palmar wrote:
On February 25 2015 20:24 Superbia wrote:
Consider the scenarios, though.

1. Don't say anything:
Town basically straight up loses because it is very likely that at least one, if not both the JKs get lynched. Worst case scenario, imo.

2. Say something:
This sucks for mafia because there are basically two mod-confirmed town right off the bat (even though a part of town still doubted this until the very end), on the flip side both the save roles are outed. Town-favored, since it mod confirms two town and prevents mafia from fake claiming their roles at any point.

3. Say something and restart the game:
I think this might have been a decent solution, since it was only day 1. This gives both town and mafia some insight as to what the set up is. However, it is still town-favored since the exact number of roles are now known so a fake claim is slightly harder.


I think the best way to prevent this sort of situation is to tell both JKs that there is another JK in their role PM.


If town is moronic enough to lynch off setup speculations, that's their problem. Not mine.


They both got the exact same role names. I don't know, maybe town needed a hard wake up call in this regard. But then we'd have townies bringing heat to Sent in post-game.


Honestly if Sent said nothing I would have zero complaints. I also have zero complaints since Sent modconfirmed me, made my game very easy.

On February 25 2015 20:33 LightningStrike wrote:
Also rsoultin that pm really threew me off and I should of just pmed the mods in the first place >.<


haha i knew you were conftown as soon as you made that post, you definitely should have just pmed mods or ignored it dude

On February 25 2015 20:34 Superbia wrote:
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On February 25 2015 20:29 marvellosity wrote:
On February 25 2015 20:24 Superbia wrote:
Consider the scenarios, though.

1. Don't say anything:
Town basically straight up loses because it is very likely that at least one, if not both the JKs get lynched. Worst case scenario, imo.


2. Say something:
This sucks for mafia because there are basically two mod-confirmed town right off the bat (even though a part of town still doubted this until the very end), on the flip side both the save roles are outed. Town-favored, since it mod confirms two town and prevents mafia from fake claiming their roles at any point.

3. Say something and restart the game:
I think this might have been a decent solution, since it was only day 1. This gives both town and mafia some insight as to what the set up is. However, it is still town-favored since the exact number of roles are now known so a fake claim is slightly harder.


I think the best way to prevent this sort of situation is to tell both JKs that there is another JK in their role PM.

This really is town's problem to deal with. Flavour is always just flavour, and there was nothing in the ruleset preventing there being 2 JKs. The compensation for the difficulty in understanding there are 2 JKs is, well, the fact that town has 2 god-damn JKs.

Town just needs to apply logic + reads. Does scumBH claim JK in that spot? (maybe) Does he have the appropriate crumbs ready?

Does scumEden counterclaim JK in that spot for a bizarro 1 for 1? Does this ever happen, ever? (hint: no)

The setup allows for 7 medics and 3 vigilantes, it's up to town to sort out who is what and why.


The problem for me was that BH's claim came out of nowhere. I'm not sure why town was so eager to jump on a wagon though. In retrospect and in light of Palmar and your arguments respectively, I think it may have been better to have town just suicide in order to learn.

I'd like to imagine I would disassemble the wagons regardless of the mod post. I did not really believe either of the claims were mafia coming into the thread. Maybe too much fantasy, though. :D


My claim was 100% legit
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February 25 2015 11:49 GMT
#4156
On February 25 2015 20:48 LightningStrike wrote:
So how good was my case on prplhz?

prplhz was scum and he got lynched, doesn't that tell you enough?
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February 25 2015 11:52 GMT
#4161
On February 25 2015 20:51 LightningStrike wrote:
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On February 25 2015 20:49 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 25 2015 20:48 LightningStrike wrote:
So how good was my case on prplhz?

prplhz was scum and he got lynched, doesn't that tell you enough?

Without Slam's claim it would be impossible since everyone thought I was Mafia or SK.

I never thought you were scum even for a moment, I would have defended you
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February 25 2015 18:40 GMT
#4248
On February 26 2015 01:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 26 2015 00:57 justanothertownie wrote:
Oh, and also sentinel confirming BH and Eden as JKs has to be one of the poorest hosting decisions I have ever seen. If I was mafia in this game I would probably just ragequit immediately.

Agreed.

Yeah

I will note that the rayn lynch was quite a snafu. Sorry I wasn't with it enough to save you rayn. In a way it's your fault for faking anger as a townie, people can pick up on fake emotions and it made them thenk you're scum. I obviously was trying to point out you could fake emotions as town but I had trolled too much earlier and people weren't listening to me. It's my bad.
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February 25 2015 19:05 GMT
#4252
Hey I made a lot of good calls that game. I made some bad calls to but that's the nature of mafia
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February 25 2015 19:16 GMT
#4256
rayn, robik, we won, no need to get angry jeez
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February 25 2015 20:03 GMT
#4259
On February 26 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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On February 26 2015 04:16 Blazinghand wrote:
rayn, robik, we won, no need to get angry jeez

i am fucking mad for getting lynched for having almost perfect reads for like sixth time in my life.
and you fuckfaces never learn.

dude, like I was not going to lynch you but then you claime cop with a red check on me and I definitely knew that was false. Like, admittedly, as I said in the thread (link), there is no such thing as an anti town VT and we fucked up by lynching you. But... look dude. Imagine you're in a situation where all you have to do is say some magic words and you won't get lynched, like "I like aardvarks". Now, saying that doesn't prove anything, but it makes people think you're town. Why WOULDN'T you say "I like aardvarks" as town? And if you didn't say it, and people lynched you for not saying it, yeah they're stupid to lynch you for that, but aren't you just a little bit stupid for not saying the phrase?

Now replace "I like aardvarks" with "not making a bunch of angry posts"
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February 25 2015 20:11 GMT
#4262
On February 26 2015 05:08 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:03 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 26 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2015 04:16 Blazinghand wrote:
rayn, robik, we won, no need to get angry jeez

i am fucking mad for getting lynched for having almost perfect reads for like sixth time in my life.
and you fuckfaces never learn.

dude, like I was not going to lynch you but then you claime cop with a red check on me and I definitely knew that was false. Like, admittedly, as I said in the thread (link), there is no such thing as an anti town VT and we fucked up by lynching you. But... look dude. Imagine you're in a situation where all you have to do is say some magic words and you won't get lynched, like "I like aardvarks". Now, saying that doesn't prove anything, but it makes people think you're town. Why WOULDN'T you say "I like aardvarks" as town? And if you didn't say it, and people lynched you for not saying it, yeah they're stupid to lynch you for that, but aren't you just a little bit stupid for not saying the phrase?

Now replace "I like aardvarks" with "not making a bunch of angry posts"

He claimed a red check on palmar, not you

ahahahha I'm so bad lol

seriously though rayn. when you're dealing with idiots you gotta be able to speak their language, you know?
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February 25 2015 20:16 GMT
#4266
On February 26 2015 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:11 Blazinghand wrote:
seriously though rayn. when you're dealing with idiots you gotta be able to speak their language, you know?

no i don't know...

Like, what I'm trying to say is, you got lynched. And you're mad at people for lynching you for what you perceive as bad reasons, especially since your reads were basically 100% solid. The thing is, it is at least a tiny bit your fault for getting lynched, even if people have shit reasons.

On August 18 2011 19:43 Palmar wrote:
Mig got it.

I don't know what you're saying GM, I'm not even sure which part you're disagreeing with. I'm not saying there is no such thing as bad logic, what I'm saying is that if town is accepting bad logic over good logic, it's your responsibility to use bad logic so you can push your ideas.

I don't think your comparison to starcraft is fair, because starcraft has measurable statistics that can blatantly be improved upon. In mafia there really is no such thing as definite bad play and good play. My point is that the problem is the people who get themselves lynched.

Let's create an example:

+ Show Spoiler +


You're in a game with 7 players, two of them are mafia. It's day 1, and town lynches some vocal but controversial player (Palmar) who flipped, quite predictably to GMarshal the town hero, town.

The lynch was mostly based on the fact that one of the townies (Jackal) suggested that Palmar may have been trying to hard to be pro-town, and must therefore be scum, so one of the mafia (Sandroba) and the rest of town (Curu and Deconduo) quietly agreed with the lynch based on Jackal's logic. Sandroba pushes the idea a bit to help secure Deconduo's vote.

GMarshal had meanwhile nailed the one mafia (sandroba) contradicting himself and being overly cautious given his usual aggressive nature on day one, in addition, it's against Sandroba's usually critical behavior to agree with such an obvious townie lynch as Palmar.

GMarshal wrote an analysis on Sandroba, but town mostly ignored him, although Palmar was never going to agree with a lynch on himself and shouted quite heavily for people to read GM's analysis, and cast his vote on Sandroba. In addition, the clever lurking mafia Kenpachi also voted for his scumbuddy Sandroba.

So in the end, Palmar gets lynched based on jackal's accusation he was trying too hard to be pro-town, and the votes end as follows:

Palmar: 4

Deconduo
Curu
Jackal
Sandroba

Sandroba: 3

GMarshal
Palmar
Kenpachi

And Palmar get's lynched.



So reading the above example, let's look at what usually people perceive happened in this game, and what really needs to be looked at, here is what I think is both an incorrect, and a correct analysis of day 1, and who is to blame.

+ Show Spoiler +


So, in this situation it's typical for Palmar to call the town terrible for not listening to logic and lynching Sandroba. GMarshal who will obviously get shot during the night is just going to rage a bit about people for not picking up on his logic.

In addition, when Kenpachi cleverly instantly buses Sandroba on day 2 for massive town cred, and a guaranteed victory in lylo, GMarshal is going to feel really justified when Sandroba lynches scum.

"Only if you had listened to me on day 1"

And the worst part, the player more responsible than anyone else for the town losing, Palmar, is going to come back in the postgame and call Jackal an idiot for pushing the lynch on him. Jackal will of course be hanged on day 3, after mafia kills deconduo, and Kenpachi and Curu are the last 2 standing, resulting in a mafia victory.

Very often this will result in Palmar and GMarshal somehow feeling they played okay, but the town was just bad so they lost beacuse of that.

This is wrong

Both are terrible, and need to shut up and look at their own play.

GMarshal looked pro-town on day 1, no one talked about lynching him, and he instantly nailed mafia with a good analysis.

GMarshal played terribly.

I don't give a fuck what you know if you can't convince town to follow your logic. If what it takes was using some retarded logic like Jackal's "Palmar is trying too hard to be pro-town", to get the lynch, that's what GMarshal should have done.

Now, I'm not saying Curu's, Jackal's and Deconduo's play is excusable, because they're also bad for not seeing that GMarshal was pushing a correct analysis. But there seems to be this thing around here where we focus way too much on blaming the people who make the incorrect decisions, and far too little blame on people who make the right decisions, but cannot push them.

Everyone played terribly on day 1. And the worst fucker of them all?

Palmar.

Palmar is ridiculously bad this game. He allowed himself to get lynched by another townie on shitty reasoning. Thing is, after the game, Palmar won't recognize this, he'll be mad at the "bad town" who lynched him with such "obvious scum" alternative.

But the truth of the matter, Palmar just failed at making people realize he's town. I don't give a shit how stupid the reasons where, if that's what it takes, Palmar should've made up some terrible reasons to clear himself.

If you get lynched, it's your own fault.

Notice that I'm not trying to reduce the blame on the town heroes who lynched an obvious town on bad logic on day 1. I'm just pointing out that peopel who were right like GMarshal, are equally much to blame for being unable to push their ideas, and the person who gets lynched is the most to blame.


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February 25 2015 20:19 GMT
#4268
Like, people generally make fun of my play but despite the fact that I'm only a slightly above-average scumhunter with very above-average good looks, I rarely get lynched. I'm willing to pander to not get lynched. I'm willing to pull anything out of my ass to not get lynched. Now, I don't focus on improving this part of my play, since the weak point in my play right now is probably scumhunting, but that doesn't mean it's not an important part of my play.
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February 25 2015 20:32 GMT
#4270
On February 26 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, people generally make fun of my play but despite the fact that I'm only a slightly above-average scumhunter with very above-average good looks, I rarely get lynched. I'm willing to pander to not get lynched. I'm willing to pull anything out of my ass to not get lynched. Now, I don't focus on improving this part of my play, since the weak point in my play right now is probably scumhunting, but that doesn't mean it's not an important part of my play.

I used to care about getting lynched but not any more. I get lynched for two reasons as town:
(1) I have reads that are too good and the town is too shit
(2) i lynch myself

true story.


you're a valuable and capable player, rayn. I am disappointed that you don't feel a need to not get lynched.
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February 25 2015 20:40 GMT
#4273
On February 26 2015 05:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 05:32 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 26 2015 05:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2015 05:19 Blazinghand wrote:
Like, people generally make fun of my play but despite the fact that I'm only a slightly above-average scumhunter with very above-average good looks, I rarely get lynched. I'm willing to pander to not get lynched. I'm willing to pull anything out of my ass to not get lynched. Now, I don't focus on improving this part of my play, since the weak point in my play right now is probably scumhunting, but that doesn't mean it's not an important part of my play.

I used to care about getting lynched but not any more. I get lynched for two reasons as town:
(1) I have reads that are too good and the town is too shit
(2) i lynch myself

true story.


you're a valuable and capable player, rayn. I am disappointed that you don't feel a need to not get lynched.

that's on you. mainly on you in this game. i can get people playing bad because i play bad from time to time.
i don't get people intentionally trying to destroy the town like you did in this game for no reason.

why the fuck should i care when noone else cares? i put the max effort to this game when i was able to and i got posts like "you are going to get lynched, no matter what you say" -- from YOU.

so maybe you should think about how you play this game instead of how i do and why i do feel what i do...


Oh, I admit that I fucked up this game, but it wasn't intentional. Like, I'm still not sure what I should do in future games to tell VA as town from VA as scum. You can say what you want about meta, but when a guy's meta is to literally not post, what are you to do? I also had some good reads, like townreading Eden (Rather than scumreading Eden when I had every motivation to scumread Eden) and townreading slam. I screwed up by giving Palmar too much time, and screwed up by pushing on LS, though at least I didn't bury him.

I had bad reads, yeah, but hey, that's life. I'll try to do better. You had bad defense, but you won't try to do better, and that's your call buddy. That's entirely your call. Just don't expect sympathy from me.

And you were going to get lynched, no matter what you said. It was the truth, and I wasn't afraid to say it.
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Last Edited: 2015-02-25 20:48:57
February 25 2015 20:48 GMT
#4280
On February 26 2015 05:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My defense was perfect. I told everyone who mafia was.


i mean, clearly it was not perfect, right? Like, claiming your ability to dodge knives is "perfect" right after you get stabbed isn't really convincing

On February 26 2015 05:47 prplhz wrote:
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On February 26 2015 05:45 LightningStrike wrote:
Ya I do deserve a warning or a ban for my reaction to it >.<

I'm pretty sure you're the only one on this forum who thinks you deserve a ban for it. I just think a warning is in order to clarify the rules so it doesn't happen again (not necessarily with you, with anybody).

I agree with prplhz on this.
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February 25 2015 21:15 GMT
#4302
but like, clearly your defense wasn't perfect since you got lynched. Like, by definition, right?
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February 25 2015 21:55 GMT
#4310
On February 26 2015 06:46 marvellosity wrote:
also as one of the hosts I see no reason to ask for a warning for either rsoultin or LS.

rsoultin realised her mistake as soon as she sent the PM, so she won't do it again and a warning achieves nothing.
LS is just a victim of straightforward honesty and naivety, and I explained how to deal with these situations in the future so now he knows, so again a warning achieves nothing.


eh yeah works for me. just make sure LS knows not to do it again, there was nothing maliicious
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Last Edited: 2015-02-25 22:10:09
February 25 2015 22:09 GMT
#4312
On the ban list, a warning doesn't have any actual consequences unless you get banned within a certain period of time. A player who would be banned for 1 game instead gets banned for 2 games if he has 1 warning. I'm not sure how long they last.

in any case the right move would probably have been to modkill lightningstrike since he was conftown after discussing being PMed by scum
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February 25 2015 22:15 GMT
#4315
On February 26 2015 07:13 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2015 07:09 Blazinghand wrote:
On the ban list, a warning doesn't have any actual consequences unless you get banned within a certain period of time. A player who would be banned for 1 game instead gets banned for 2 games if he has 1 warning. I'm not sure how long they last.

in any case the right move would probably have been to modkill lightningstrike since he was conftown after discussing being PMed by scum

I had literally written out the message explaining why I was going to modkill him.

then I was a softie and deleted it, mainly because I knew the game was coming to an inevitable conclusion pretty soon.


yeah I mean I'm not sure it would have changed things, but it's sort of my instinctual reaction. The "problem" of LS being confirmed by reporting the PM goes away if he's dead
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February 26 2015 09:19 GMT
#4358
On February 26 2015 18:06 Eden1892 wrote:
tbh it would have been borderline bastard to leave no indication (for those who didn't know the flavor - shoutout to those who did, good work) that there could be multiple copies of the same named role in a game

there was no good decision to be made once it happened IMO


I disagree. By default there can be more than one of the same role. I was able to figure this out. The fact that others couldn't without host intervention is unfortunate but not indicative that failing to talk about the fluff is bastardy
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February 26 2015 17:38 GMT
#4367
good discussion guys all in all another town carried by blazinghand
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