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On February 16 2015 13:16 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:12 Town Puppy wrote:On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts? On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom
Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom
I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day. I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol. ##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.
And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux. I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now >< Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol. On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.
##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two. This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught. I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger. I mean, flip side here, scum wouldn't know we're both JKs. They wouldn't know WHAT the fuck to do. NO ONE should know wtf to do. Given that, we have two different reactions: (1) One person ostensibly tried to see both sides of the argument and ended up siding with both players at some point before settling in on me. (2) The other person defaulted to the previous suspicion that person had on one of the two players and then abruptly switched to the other player after it became clear the initially-suspected player probably wasn't being lynched. I think it's more likely that the mafia is (2) here. You don't actually get town credit from being right about both people being JK if you let them both get lynched. In fact, nothing about this situation gets you town credit unless you're the guy to figure out that both people are JK. (SHOUTS TO SUPERFRIEND, ALSO GET DUNKED I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN) What you do end up getting is a huge pile of shit during the day after the first flip, because you waffled on both and ended up on the guy who flipped JK. It's far better for mafia to just ride the wave toward whichever JK is getting lynched, then when they flip town riding the other one - and especially if, as in (2)'s case, the other one who ends up being "confirmed scum" is conveniently the one you already suspected. No, rso is far more likely to be mafia out of the two in my view. As previously noted I will gladly vote either to save you, but our wagon should be rso. I get what you're getting at with rso. I guess mafia could be confused and think one of us is a cop or a really confused/angry VT or something, but here's what mafia knows that we don't know: Mafia knows that out of the 2 of us, BOTH of us are not mafia. Also, SK wouldn't pull shit like this D1 so mafia can be reasonably sure we're both town. Would mafia know we're both JKs? maybe, maybe not. But the important thing here is mafia knows that the most probably thing to happen, and the thing that was definitely gonna happen until I told people not to lynch you after I flip, was that one of us flips, then the other, cause we're both town. Now, let's say rsoultin is Mafia. She knows that you and I are both town, and we have both claimed JK. She has been voting you, but she COULD swap to me. Now, I'm the one getting lynched, not you. IF she stays on you, and I flip JK, what happens? Well, she looks good! She says, "wow guys, why didn't you listen to me, we should have lynched Eden/TP" and then lynches you tomorrow. As Mafia, rsoultin would have no real reason to swap to me, right?
If she felt like thread sentiment were moving away from me being mafia, and she felt like I might be onto her, then yes, she would have reason to switch. She can just as easily say "oh man, I shouldn't have doubted myself on Eden" - in fact I think this might be more convincing, because then when I also flip town, her confusion looks entirely justified (whereas her attempt to look certain I would flip mafia to get towncred would blow up once I flipped town).
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Canada11355 Posts
Hey LS what's your read on alakaslam?
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On February 16 2015 13:12 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts? On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom
Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom
I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day. I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol. ##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.
And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux. I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now >< Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol. On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.
##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two. This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught. I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger. I mean, flip side here, scum wouldn't know we're both JKs. They wouldn't know WHAT the fuck to do. NO ONE should know wtf to do. Given that, we have two different reactions: (1) One person ostensibly tried to see both sides of the argument and ended up siding with both players at some point before settling in on me. (2) The other person defaulted to the previous suspicion that person had on one of the two players and then abruptly switched to the other player after it became clear the initially-suspected player probably wasn't being lynched. I think it's more likely that the mafia is (2) here. You don't actually get town credit from being right about both people being JK if you let them both get lynched. In fact, nothing about this situation gets you town credit unless you're the guy to figure out that both people are JK. ( SHOUTS TO SUPERFRIEND, ALSO GET DUNKED I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN) What you do end up getting is a huge pile of shit during the day after the first flip, because you waffled on both and ended up on the guy who flipped JK. It's far better for mafia to just ride the wave toward whichever JK is getting lynched, then when they flip town riding the other one - and especially if, as in (2)'s case, the other one who ends up being "confirmed scum" is conveniently the one you already suspected. No, rso is far more likely to be mafia out of the two in my view. As previously noted I will gladly vote either to save you, but our wagon should be rso.
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+ Show Spoiler +I thought you were mafia before the claim though ;p
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On February 16 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 12:50 Superbia wrote:On February 16 2015 12:48 LightningStrike wrote:
But I still got a slight meta scum read on you it just people were calling you town instead other than Breshke and Rayn who agreed with me. I dislike Rayn and I kind of dislike Breshke atm. Trenderino? Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:11 Superbia wrote:
Mafia:
-LS
-Kelsier
-rayn
-lian (why the fuck not)
Lean mafia:
- FF
- HtS Why did i not make your list?
You flipped your read on me. I'm weak to that sort of shit. Also I would kind of look like a garbage player if my mafia circle was too big. You're not really that town though.
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so this is why they call BH god-like
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Also i don't see the thing about LS playing on the situation is there any specific posts you were referring to? I'm historically bad at reading this guy
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why are ppl voting me? it just looks like they are sheeping BH for no reason
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 16 2015 13:19 Town Puppy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:16 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:12 Town Puppy wrote:On February 16 2015 13:06 Blazinghand wrote:On February 16 2015 13:01 Town Puppy wrote:On February 16 2015 12:57 Blazinghand wrote:TP/Eden, you're talking about this series of posts? On February 16 2015 07:50 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 07:29 Alakaslam wrote:
What I see is BH could be anything; he is not dizzy now, he is the CHUPAZITRON himself and has bombed us with deep wifom
Deeeeeeeeeeeep bunkerbusting wifom
I would say losing an experienced JK in BH is worse than having scum BH one more day. I agree with this. Also, way too many people just going oh, okay, when TP/Eden's play has been questionable all game, lol. ##unvote
##vote: TownPuppy On February 16 2015 10:58 rsoultin wrote:On February 16 2015 10:51 Town Puppy wrote:
My play is fine as town. If y'all weren't idiots we would be a lock to lynch scum today.
And I don't throw games as mafia. You saw me give up when I was caught. This isn't the same at all. After how detail-oriented you were about the hts miller thing I know you know this is different than Linux. I can definitely see a difference, just as I can see a difference between your play this game and your town play from Horn. (Granted, I think you're trying to be less spammy, but it's like night and day.) What I don't understand is why you CCd immediately if you're actually the JK. If you know that you know that you know that BH is lying because you're the JK, then why not reserve that so that you can still use your abilities later? It's not a good play as town and I'm struggling to understand why you would do it now >< Like, if it were me, I'd target him as JK and see if that effected the night kills, lol. On February 16 2015 11:08 rsoultin wrote:
Nah, lian's right, if mafia's going to CC (or claim in the first place) it's probably the goon doing it. Bugger -_- I still think it's the wrong play by TP, but I can see him thinking it's right.
##unvote
##vote: Blazinghand Yeah that's pretty much it, specifically the last two. This to me looks suspicious in a vaguely similar way that liancourt's would. Again, scum would KNOW we're both JKs, right? So scum would want to seem hesitant and like, "oh, I'm voting BH but I could easily see that it's really TP" as a setup to vote you tomorrow. However, I consider that to be less of a scumtell than liancourt's maneuvering, which is "I think neither of thes epeople make sense as scum but I'll vote one of them anyways" which sets him up to look REALLY good after the double JK flip. like, REALLY good if he hadn't been caught. I buy, however, rsoultin's confusion about your CC of me, just because s/he may not understand the POV of a blue. Worth looking into and pressuring, but I think the liancourt case is stronger. I mean, flip side here, scum wouldn't know we're both JKs. They wouldn't know WHAT the fuck to do. NO ONE should know wtf to do. Given that, we have two different reactions: (1) One person ostensibly tried to see both sides of the argument and ended up siding with both players at some point before settling in on me. (2) The other person defaulted to the previous suspicion that person had on one of the two players and then abruptly switched to the other player after it became clear the initially-suspected player probably wasn't being lynched. I think it's more likely that the mafia is (2) here. You don't actually get town credit from being right about both people being JK if you let them both get lynched. In fact, nothing about this situation gets you town credit unless you're the guy to figure out that both people are JK. (SHOUTS TO SUPERFRIEND, ALSO GET DUNKED I KNEW YOU WERE TOWN) What you do end up getting is a huge pile of shit during the day after the first flip, because you waffled on both and ended up on the guy who flipped JK. It's far better for mafia to just ride the wave toward whichever JK is getting lynched, then when they flip town riding the other one - and especially if, as in (2)'s case, the other one who ends up being "confirmed scum" is conveniently the one you already suspected. No, rso is far more likely to be mafia out of the two in my view. As previously noted I will gladly vote either to save you, but our wagon should be rso. I get what you're getting at with rso. I guess mafia could be confused and think one of us is a cop or a really confused/angry VT or something, but here's what mafia knows that we don't know: Mafia knows that out of the 2 of us, BOTH of us are not mafia. Also, SK wouldn't pull shit like this D1 so mafia can be reasonably sure we're both town. Would mafia know we're both JKs? maybe, maybe not. But the important thing here is mafia knows that the most probably thing to happen, and the thing that was definitely gonna happen until I told people not to lynch you after I flip, was that one of us flips, then the other, cause we're both town. Now, let's say rsoultin is Mafia. She knows that you and I are both town, and we have both claimed JK. She has been voting you, but she COULD swap to me. Now, I'm the one getting lynched, not you. IF she stays on you, and I flip JK, what happens? Well, she looks good! She says, "wow guys, why didn't you listen to me, we should have lynched Eden/TP" and then lynches you tomorrow. As Mafia, rsoultin would have no real reason to swap to me, right? If she felt like thread sentiment were moving away from me being mafia, and she felt like I might be onto her, then yes, she would have reason to switch. She can just as easily say "oh man, I shouldn't have doubted myself on Eden" - in fact I think this might be more convincing, because then when I also flip town, her confusion looks entirely justified (whereas her attempt to look certain I would flip mafia to get towncred would blow up once I flipped town).
I mean, eventually yeah rsoultin would look bad, but here's the thing. You know what happens at the end of day today, right? I would flip jailkeeper. Then there'd be a 72 hour SHITSHOW. this shitshow would be people yelling about how it was stupid/smart to lynch me, and you trying not to get lynched, then explaining that you were RBed N1, then finally dying D2 despite the fact that you are the JK. Then you ALSO flip JK and there's ANOTHER shitshow. People start yelling at each other, at the hosts, at whoever was shot N1, at me, at you, at the mods. You really think that, 72 hours AFTER the d1 flip, people are gonna be thinking about rsoultin's unusual willingness to stay on you, rather than swap to the BASICALLY identical blazinghand wagon? Like, your wagon and my wagon look really different to you (or to me) because they seem very different, but to most peopel it's just "oh we have 2 jk claims, and OMG WHAT THEY BOTH FLIPPED JK".
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Votecount
Blazinghand (6) - Half the Sky, VayneAuthority, liancourt, rsoultin, KelsierSC, prplhz
liancourt (6) - Blazinghand, IAmRobik, LightningStrike, FecalFeast, ritoky, Breshke
Town Puppy (1) - Alakaslam
raynpelikoneet (1)- Palmar
Half the Sky (1) - raynpelikoneet
LightningStrike (1) - Superbia
Rsoultin (1) - Town Puppy
Blazinghand is set to be lynched. Voting ends in
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Canada11355 Posts
On February 16 2015 13:21 liancourt wrote:
why are ppl voting me? it just looks like they are sheeping BH for no reason
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On February 16 2015 13:21 Breshke wrote:
Also i don't see the thing about LS playing on the situation is there any specific posts you were referring to? I'm historically bad at reading this guy
Felt that way. May be biased since I was kind of reading him mafia before then.
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On February 16 2015 13:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2015 13:18 Breshke wrote:On February 16 2015 12:50 Superbia wrote:On February 16 2015 12:48 LightningStrike wrote:
But I still got a slight meta scum read on you it just people were calling you town instead other than Breshke and Rayn who agreed with me. I dislike Rayn and I kind of dislike Breshke atm. Trenderino? On February 16 2015 13:11 Superbia wrote:
Mafia:
-LS
-Kelsier
-rayn
-lian (why the fuck not)
Lean mafia:
- FF
- HtS Why did i not make your list? You flipped your read on me. I'm weak to that sort of shit. Also I would kind of look like a garbage player if my mafia circle was too big. You're not really that town though.
hahahahahaaha ehh if it makes you read me right ill take it
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On February 16 2015 13:21 liancourt wrote:
why are ppl voting me? it just looks like they are sheeping BH for no reason
So you unvoted me yet? there's pretty clear evidence both TP-Eden and I are both town.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Liancourt
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I'm having fun boys, if we hit mafia I'll go to bed extra happy.
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Canada11355 Posts
super why'd you have to roll mafia?
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Fuck c'mon guys it's rso. I will post bricks of shit produced by my body if she is town
I'm in this awkward place where I want to fight for this lynch but I don't want to accidentally get BH killed.
Can everyone just sheep me instead pls?
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On February 16 2015 13:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
super why'd you have to roll mafia?
Because I ... Damn, almost got me, sson. ;p
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Lol, Eden, you're tunneling the shit out of me cause I haven't been in your corner this game xP You didn't figure me out as scum last game at all, so why would I be so scared of you to go out of my way to bury you this one if I rolled mafia again?
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##vote: lian
Is there anything more to this lian vote than the idea that he knew too much?
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Canada11355 Posts
See I would swap but that leaves SO MUCH ROOM for mafia to 'accidentally' miss deadline and get BH lynched
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