EPTI must say, i find this an odd way to approach the game.??
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I must say, i find this an odd way to approach the game.?? | ||
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On March 03 2015 20:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: You know the underline how? Because i sure as hell don't know it. Im about to ahve dinner. please pursue. This is a valid pickup i think. | ||
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Bresche filter. Conclusion: Fairly likely to be mafia Recommend to be shot Reasoning Wishywashy Content Bresche early filter focuses on the "plan" for town to control the shot after 24hrs. This is not typically alignment indicative early on, however, it is interesting to note that Bresche has a focus on establishing "town" reads; and not questioning his "scum" reads. Even more so, given that Rayn has been quite active in the thread. Further, note the confidence Bresche exudes when referring to Tubesock (and to a lesser degree Slam + Koshi + FecalFeast) as town. Everyone knows list collaborations are an easy tool for scum to utilising when feigning contribution. But Bresche begs to differ, offering the generic morsel that this effort is too much to be scum. Which leads us to Congruence I get no focus in his filter. There is talk but none of it has proper conclusions that are reinforced within *THIS* game. His filter has no consistency in thought. Posts within a short duration jump from target to target; which when combined with the tendency to buddy people as town indicate a motive to blend in and offer meaningless contributions. Possibly best exemplified by: On March 03 2015 13:34 Breshke wrote: Can you explain these when you are around rayn? I can get behind a koshi shot though rereading horn it is more similar than i thought it was. ##Vote Koshi & On March 03 2015 15:10 Breshke wrote: Couple points1) He suggested we nominate someone to shoot so i don't think that he is trying to avoid us lynching a consensus 2) He then later stated that he ment he doesn't care if we shoot mafia or 3p 3)Isn't trying to debunk any plan useful as it can show any weakpoints it has? Yes it could be frustrating but yeah. 4) I dont think this is true. Yeah vets seem to listen to other vets more than newbies but with geript gunning for some of them (rayn for example) how do you think he can count on them to back him? You say you are a newbie here yet you seem to think you know geripts meta fairly well which doesn't really add up. Also I don't like that you promised to talk about the shot before damdred started going hard against you which led me to believe you had thoughts on people other than him yet what you have posted is mostly from after you said you would give thoughts which leads me to believe you had nothing at the time yet you got angry at geript for not waiting for you to post. Im not sure if im making sense or not but if you could give reads on other people that would probably help. Bresche goes into a lot of detail to debunk Epiphany points on Geript, however, at no point takes a stance on Geript OR EPIPHANY This is critical. Bresche last 2 paragraphs reads as "Im about to wreck yo", and ends miserley with ... "please post more" Think about this.. town *WANT* to pursue their scumspects. What we get here is Bresche saying this: (1) I want you to hang yourself; or, (2) I want someone else to take the lead with hanging you; or, (3) I am giving myself flexibilty to pursue or withdraw. I havent played mafia in about a year, but to me, this has always been indicative of a mafia mentality. | ||
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Also notice how meek Bresche is. Yes hes talking, but again, it feels like for the sake of talking. All his calls to someone being scum, are then smoothed out with justifications to backpedal. Case in point: On March 03 2015 21:31 Breshke wrote: Im lean scum on Mocsta. I don't like those pretend scum qt conversations he made doesn't seem useful to me in adding to his read because I have never really seen anyone coach people like that in scum QT's. He also mentioned that he wanted to talk about spelch and me but never ended up talking about me yet was quick to say that he thought my "slip" was important. [red]Could be biased here because of that though.[/'red] I liked your mom for scum reading you before you reentered the thread because i agreed with that line of thought. But when you came back and actually started pushing your reads more and explaining stuff instead of just calling people mafia i felt like he stuck to his read instead of reevaluating you. This doesn't make him mafia though could just be lazy town so null for now. I wont bother to dabble in the button stuff Rayn already covered This guy has put a votge on Koshi to be shot, and this token effort is all we get: On March 03 2015 21:40 Breshke wrote: You are one of the main people being considered to be shot. If you want to play this at all you might want to start sooner than that Koshixxx | ||
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On March 03 2015 23:12 Koshi wrote: Like, you can think I am maybe mafia for not doing things because that reminds you of me doing nothing and being mafia. I am fine with that. I think it is normal that you think that. Or possible. People remember things. But if you claim you reread an entire game so you could match my meta of that game to the meta of this game you are seriously overdoing it. And you are scum. you yourself pointed out several using meta to support their accusation. Are you suggesting the above is the whole scum team? When i read the 5 quotes you posted, I see varying degrees of intent. Do you? | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:26 roundabound wrote: Some musings 1. I thought rayn read pretty genuine in his pursuit of your mom so I'm "ok" that he took the shot. Still a town lean. 2. Probally a pointless question.... But did Robik actually try and shoot or timed it early intentional? For someone with so little presence. I find it poor form to try and take the shot. This is prob more a personal disagreement vs. Anything of merit to scumhunting though. 3. My bresche points? Is sandroba the only person that agree he looks fishy? I think bresche is a good point of focus. If you ignored him because you think he's town, please comment on my points against him. I think Geript was the only one, and that was a soft meta rebuttal On March 04 2015 09:28 roundabound wrote: Aplologiea toad. I shoulda said sandroba and toad FFS. Bresche back in focus On March 03 2015 23:06 Mocsta wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/476732-jack-of-all-trades-mafia?user=Breshke&view=all Bresche filter. Conclusion: Fairly likely to be mafia Recommend to be shot Reasoning Wishywashy Content Bresche early filter focuses on the "plan" for town to control the shot after 24hrs. This is not typically alignment indicative early on, however, it is interesting to note that Bresche has a focus on establishing "town" reads; and not questioning his "scum" reads. Even more so, given that Rayn has been quite active in the thread. Further, note the confidence Bresche exudes when referring to Tubesock (and to a lesser degree Slam + Koshi + FecalFeast) as town. Everyone knows list collaborations are an easy tool for scum to utilising when feigning contribution. But Bresche begs to differ, offering the generic morsel that this effort is too much to be scum. Which leads us to Congruence I get no focus in his filter. There is talk but none of it has proper conclusions that are reinforced within *THIS* game. His filter has no consistency in thought. Posts within a short duration jump from target to target; which when combined with the tendency to buddy people as town indicate a motive to blend in and offer meaningless contributions. Possibly best exemplified by: & Couple points Bresche goes into a lot of detail to debunk Epiphany points on Geript, however, at no point takes a stance on Geript OR EPIPHANY This is critical. Bresche last 2 paragraphs reads as "Im about to wreck yo", and ends miserley with ... "please post more" Think about this.. town *WANT* to pursue their scumspects. What we get here is Bresche saying this: (1) I want you to hang yourself; or, (2) I want someone else to take the lead with hanging you; or, (3) I am giving myself flexibilty to pursue or withdraw. I havent played mafia in about a year, but to me, this has always been indicative of a mafia mentality. | ||
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On March 04 2015 09:31 sandroba wrote: Mmmm will have to re-read that exchange.I actually compared his meta after my gaffe and this game he is much more similar to his town meta. wishywashyness points to town in his case. So given koshi flipped town. You don't skew his original soft town lean on koshi as suspicious?? | ||
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thats the only question worth asking from his post? srs keirathi?? | ||
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On March 04 2015 11:03 IAmRobik wrote: I'd think mocsta has the best read on rayn of anyone here. Not sure why he's basically avoiding reading him I gave a read on Rayn already. Like maybe 3 posts up from this in my filter | ||
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On March 04 2015 11:02 Keirathi wrote: I dont follow.Yes, it's the weirdest thing about his filter. I can mostly follow his logic with rayn, I just mostly disagree with it because rayn is rayn. Rayn is rayn equivocates to disagreement with the evidence; or disagree with the conclusion? | ||
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On March 04 2015 11:12 IAmRobik wrote: you talked about breshke, not rayn. You haven't given a read on rayn even though >1/2 your filter involves rayn in one way or another On March 04 2015 09:34 Mocsta wrote: On March 04 2015 09:26 roundabound wrote: Wheres this coming from?Some musings 1. I thought rayn read pretty genuine in his pursuit of your mom so I'm "ok" that he took the shot. Still a town lean. I haven't played mafia in over 6months. potentially 1 year. Why should *I* know rayn so well. Where is *YOUR* read of rayn? | ||
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On March 04 2015 13:50 Breshke wrote: I don't get it.You could read batsnacks if you like. He has a short filter but im not really sure how in touch with the game it would make you. Just hope it is cell next so there is specific people you can look into Last night I was a scum read to you I make a "case" on you You ignore Then chase someone who called me scum I repost the "case" Still no acknowledement | ||
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On March 04 2015 14:06 Breshke wrote: Whether Geript thinks of you as town or scum; he also indicated that you were not new. That you were not a weak player; and that you were capable of logical thought processes.Since you want people to talk about this mocsta ill give me view. First of all rayn was a scumread of mine and i did question him i asked him to explain some of his reads(You quote this post later not sure how you missed it). It was clear he wasn't around so yes i moved on. When rayn returned to the thread he did start explaining this reads which i then understood so i then town read him. Also about tubesock i never town read him for making a list post. I town read him for trying to form a plan which i believed would turn a more scum favored lynch type into a normal lynch. Not only that but he went to the trouble of compiling everyone's reads and promised he would continue tot ally the vote. I believed this made him town because he was actively trying to make the game better for town. Your Congruence bit is whatever I talk about what I want to and find it hard to get scum reads on D1 and often just find myself jumping around finding towns. Onto geript and AT your right I never said what i thought of them. That was more out of frustration because Geript was seemingly not even giving AT a chance so while i was finding everything that AT was saying to be wrong I was at least going to try and give him a chance. He then continued to respond to geript and not to me which caused me to not care about the situation especially since geript still wanted to shoot koshi. Anyway i think Geript is my top town this game partly because he was the first to go against the idea that i was scum for all the same reasons he has before. AT i have no idea i stopped caring about his alignment I would need to reread. All your evidence for substantiating town reads is in direct contradiction of the above. Further, the above is a literal response to my accusations. No aspect details my motive for writing the case. Supposedly I am your scumspect? Should this not be me trying to bury you in OMGUS? Congruency again. Everything about your play this game is half-hearted. You talk for the sake of talking. | ||
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Are you actually going to COMMIT to any statement this game? Every read you state has a qualifier. | ||
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Further it is for a personal/fallacious reason that is difficult to read as creditable. effectively You can recant the read any time you want. My point stands | ||
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On March 04 2015 14:49 Breshke wrote: Finally.Like you say im not committing to any reads yet in those post you say im "chasing someone" So you obviously think i am forming a scumread on bats even though my post on him was wishy washy yes, yet choose to ignore that to make your accusation sound better. Also i think the fact that bats said he would shoot you has almost no bearing on your alignment or would even look bad for you if he flips scum because he didn't try and act on it. Some balls Chasing was literal. You were pestering him. Again it reads for the sake of having to talk. No conviction , no congruence. It certainly doesn't read that you though batsbacks was scummy. rather just stupid. | ||
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But that post you quoted reinforces your scumminess. Everything with you is qualifiers. Even batsnacks is a contradiction. And again. Given you said I leaned scum. Your conclusion on batsnacks is not a natural flow of thoughts. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:03 geript wrote: You apparently know me so well, hence you know all this is going to do is piss me off.Mocsta is there actually something you're trying to get at here? Because all i see is you harping on someone who you haven't even bothered to double check the meta on. How about instead of being half assed you either Link me with a source game, or read my harping on and dispel where I am going wrong. | ||
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On March 04 2015 15:16 Breshke wrote: stupid was a Freudian slip. I was thinking about you when I wrote that.So where did stupid come from? Just saying it because it makes your accusation better? How is batsnacks a contradiction. Why can a scum batsnacks not say he is going to shoot scum mocsta and then guess what NOT EVEN TRY TO SHOOT. Regarding batsnacks. That logic applies to half the players in the game. Only 2 people attempted to shoot. So what's the point of your statement? That you conveniently apply evidence 'fir for purpose'? | ||
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Reads pretty fake. As in pretending to be calm and too cool. Not sure if that means mafia though.... | ||
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