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zlefin
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Trfel
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On February 24 2015 10:14 zlefin wrote: Is that really what it is? I thought that the rule in question only applied if it was clear that it would be that way before the day began. Therefore, I think if we have a 1-1-1 split, whoever gets voted for first is the one who is lynched.Hmmm, so two of us have to agree on which other one to lynch, as per the rules on end-game votes. That said, we had better have two people on the same target. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Honestly I think both NK wifom and lych WIFOM are worth more than people credit for. I don't think it's 50/50. Although some people generally have better reads than others. With no real vet exp on Shining, I would have to think that there's a better chance that he was killed for his reads than to draw confusion. That super long case on me sure has me looking awful here lol | ||
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Trfel
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That said, if anyone has any questions for me whatsoever, I will do my best to answer. You two should be interested in determining my alignment, and if there is anything I can do to help you with that, please let me know. I'm going to start by rereading the game and taking note of everything that you two did. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 24 2015 10:23 Trfel wrote: Is that really what it is? I thought that the rule in question only applied if it was clear that it would be that way before the day began. Therefore, I think if we have a 1-1-1 split, whoever gets voted for first is the one who is lynched. That said, we had better have two people on the same target. well, that's not how I read it, but you can ask those in charge. The logic for it would fully apply to a 1-1-1 split, making sure it's not a vote race, because vote races are bad for deciding the game. It just occurs to me, it must be logically possible for a mafia game to tie, if there's a lylo mislynch, but the remaining two people are the scum and a vigilante with a bullet left, and they kill each other at night. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On February 24 2015 10:24 jarjarbinks wrote: Sorry guys, this read analysis is taking me forever. On page 6 of zlefin. Honestly I think both NK wifom and lych WIFOM are worth more than people credit for. I don't think it's 50/50. Although some people generally have better reads than others. With no real vet exp on Shining, I would have to think that there's a better chance that he was killed for his reads than to draw confusion. That super long case on me sure has me looking awful here lol no problem, take your time and get it right (while allowing enough time for people to look over your choice, if you wish) | ||
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zlefin
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Trfel
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On February 24 2015 10:29 zlefin wrote: I believe mafia wins as soon as they have equal numbers as town, so that would be a mafia victory.well, that's not how I read it, but you can ask those in charge. The logic for it would fully apply to a 1-1-1 split, making sure it's not a vote race, because vote races are bad for deciding the game. It just occurs to me, it must be logically possible for a mafia game to tie, if there's a lylo mislynch, but the remaining two people are the scum and a vigilante with a bullet left, and they kill each other at night. But it would be nice to have clarification as to what happens if the voting ends with one vote on each player if possible? | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Trfel
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Trfel
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 24 2015 10:30 Trfel wrote: I believe mafia wins as soon as they have equal numbers as town, so that would be a mafia victory. But it would be nice to have clarification as to what happens if the voting ends with one vote on each player if possible? 1-1-1 would result in the first player to be voted getting lynched. The vote race occurs when the number of mafia equals the number of town, which would go to a night phase (for setups like vig/vet where it is possible for town to win). | ||
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Trfel
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jarjarbinks
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On February 24 2015 10:47 Trfel wrote: Is there a case that I need to defend myself against? lol no but say if mafia zlef makes a case on you that you decide not to defend against that could sway my view on you and your cases | ||
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Trfel
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On February 23 2015 08:58 Palmar wrote: I'm going to quote this again.also reevaluate everything in lylo. Don't scumhunt in lylo using what is being posted in lylo, just use whatever was posted in the previous days and go off of that. Note that by no means do I intend to stop scumhunting at LYLO, I will do my very best. But it is easy for people's behaviors to change at LYLO, and for scum to step up their game significantly. Thefefore, I trust Palmar in saying that it is more important to look at what happened before LYLO than to look at LYLO itself. | ||
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jarjarbinks
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Trfel
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Trfel was townreading The Shining, and The Shining was townreading Trfel. The Shining was scumreading jarjarbinks, and Trfel was scumreading zlefin. Zlefin was also scumreading Trfel. If we are dealing with mafia!jarjarbinks, killing The Shining makes sense to leave two confused townies scumreading each other. If we are dealing with mafia!zlefin, killing The Shining doesn't make much sense except for hoping for WIFOM, which is a bit silly. Maybe The Shining was killed because The Shining was his townread, and therefore he could not justify voting him. This is a possibility for mafia!zlefin to kill The Shining to keep his vote options open, but that seems like a generally poor choice compared to leaving The Shining who is scumreading jarjarbinks behind. Therefore, it seems to me that the night kill seems to suggest that jarjarbinks is scum. Still, I have a lot of trouble with night kill analysis. Jarjarbinks, can you please shed some light on this for me? | ||
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Trfel
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jarjarbinks
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I can scream WIFOM, or IVE BEEN FRAMED; but the simple analysis is that I look like scum because of this kill. If I were you I would have jumped on this. Granted I don't really know which one of you framed me. You "set your trap" by talking to Shining about WIFOM. Zlefin is saying he knew but was going along with it so "mafiajjb" wouldn't catch it. It's your call. I would think it would be a matter of how intelligent you think I am. Do you think a guy who uses vote analysis to find mafia would make himself look awful in vote analysis? | ||
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Trfel
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But in the end, I can't see myself lynching jarjarbinks just because of the night kill. It's something to keep in mind, but I don't know how much weight it deserves. | ||
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