[M][N]Hammertime Mafia

On January 23 2015 08:45 Balla24 wrote:
/sitout

On January 26 2015 10:27 GlowingBear wrote:


It's instant majority.

Just so you know.

On January 26 2015 11:33 Eden1892 wrote:
Roby. U get me right???

I don't get what these donkey want on bfay diner. It's so mAdnjb

On January 26 2015 11:46 Eden1892 wrote:
Robigoobi didn't say why he vote HTS for he??

That's bad

On January 26 2015 11:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Robik, your read on onegu pls

On January 26 2015 11:55 GlowingBear wrote:


Nope, read the thread and player list please.

Or you can just read my mind note on him, but you'll be spoiled.

On January 26 2015 20:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Just woke up to a game that has only one page
Robik is mafia

##Vote: Robik

On January 26 2015 20:56 Palmar wrote:
Well I can't argue with that logic

##Vote: Robik

On January 26 2015 21:46 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar
Make me believe you're town

Giev me reeds.

On January 26 2015 22:49 Half the Sky wrote:


Why? I'd like either of you or Palmar to sell your case to me, a player who:

1 Has never played with Robik/not familiar with his meta
2 Sees that Robik is to be policy voted here
3 Sees little/no explanation of why Robik is being voted
4 Has a fairly substantial case (and a vote for that matter) on you.

Ah, and speaking of #3, are you going to respond to my case on you or at least help resolve the issues there?

Another conference call at work, but I'll touch base.

On January 26 2015 22:50 Half the Sky wrote:
GB, regarding #2, I don't fully agree with your read, as I said before, I can see a null or scum read on his behaviour going either way, and to me, he's sarcastic (but tone read) and such, but I am taking him at face value.

If you are taking him out based on meta, I need you to explain.

On January 26 2015 23:12 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, if Robik is mafia, we kill a mafia
If Robik is town, we get rid of him anyway

win/win

On January 27 2015 00:20 Onegu wrote:



Dude look at fantasy football mafia 2 and to mafia lxviii. And compare GB's posts in those games he's town.

On January 27 2015 02:03 Half the Sky wrote:


I don't like what GB quoted above either, but Robik, when I examined GB's meta, he mentioned you a lot particularly when he was scum. Could this not have been part of his strategy?

On January 27 2015 02:15 Palmar wrote:

Let yourself be free from the constraints of meta.

Go fly!

On January 27 2015 02:25 IAmRobik wrote:
I like Palmar

On January 27 2015 02:28 Palmar wrote:

♥♥♥

Toad, please help this man, he needs it. I must leave you now, but help him understand. Help him smite away his instincts and accept knowledge.

On January 27 2015 02:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vote Palmar with me Robik. Quick, let's hammer him before he gets back.

On January 27 2015 02:30 Eden1892 wrote:

Sure let's unpack assumptions.

I am assuming you are playing to win.

You stated in a game in the recent past that you believe your d1 reads to be pretty good, particularly d1 town reads.
Presuming you still believe this, and presuming you are town, it is curious to me that you are doing very little in the way of giving reads at the moment, because that runs the risk of one of your town reads getting killed. Even if you don't have town reads, you presumably will eventually get them because you want to win, and once you get them you presumably would want to make sure they don't die because you want to win.

You are not doing this, so one of the assumptions above is wrong. Which is it?
- You are playing to win
- You believe your d1 reads to be pretty good, particularly d1 town reads
- You are town

On January 27 2015 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote:

How so?

On January 27 2015 02:39 Eden1892 wrote:

he asked me a question mang

On January 27 2015 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote:

But you also do it as mafia and other people also do it as mafia.

But whatever, it's your read. Thx.

On January 27 2015 02:46 Palmar wrote:
Announcement: The posts Robik refers to were made deliberately in a quick succession in an elaborate attempt to invoke amusement.

On January 27 2015 02:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Robik if I help you lynch GlowingBear can we lynch liancourt next? If you thought GB had it out for you, just read liancourt's filter, like half of it is targeted at me and it's mostly misinterpretations

On January 27 2015 02:56 Palmar wrote:
Proud native inhabitants of America for more than a millennia.

On January 27 2015 03:03 Palmar wrote:

If that were so the map wouldn't make much sense to back up my claim would it?

On January 27 2015 04:05 Eden1892 wrote:
anyway we should kill liancourt because his meta argument on me is BS and he hasn't issued a retraction yet

On January 27 2015 02:14 IAmRobik wrote:
GB: I metaread Robik as mafia because he isn't posting.

Robik starts posting

GB: Robik is scum because: meta


Why isn't this day over yet with mafia!GB lynched?

On January 27 2015 04:36 Half the Sky wrote:
All people wanting to lynch Liancourt, I urge you to please wait 3-5h until he wakes up before pushing his lynch. He is unable to defend himself because he's asleep. And we should be lynching GB anyway

Perspective please.

On January 27 2015 05:58 Half the Sky wrote:
Robik, I see from your filter you have townreads on Eden and Palmar, scumreading GB as well.

What are your thoughts on everyone else in the thread?

On January 27 2015 06:32 Half the Sky wrote:


I believe you are experienced enough to realise that scum can take advantage of a townie wagon to vote another townie out (or bus too, but unlikely in this setup).

What if, in the unlikely but still possible event, that GB is town?

On January 27 2015 07:15 Toadesstern wrote:
can someone restate the things that make GB mafia that don't boil down to "he's bad"?
I don't care about him being wrong with what he does. I want to see why doing what's wrong is more beneficial for him as mafia than as a townie.

Because I still only see him as the easy mislynch to be honest.

On January 27 2015 07:18 Eden1892 wrote:
Pop quiz time.
Who can name something of relevance that Onegu has done this game?

The answer key is below, please don't peek until you've guessed.
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On January 01 2015 13:33 ritoky wrote:
finally caught up in the thread, don't have a lot of time because new years is a busy day in the ER; just gonna copy/paste my notes in the thread; sorry i can't be more engaged:

note - trying not to null read anyone from this point forward, list everyone as town or scum unless they haven't posted

koshi - his wording in certain cases seems like he is trying to appease (i.e. "TheChyz is not scummy to me. I am not saying he is a townread but the case Dr.H. makes is not how I read Chyz." and other cases of not saying people's alignment ex: calling me and drh meh), says needs something new and fresh doesn't make it happen. mafia pile

gb - did his "not reading the thread" shtick which he did as town twice before, done nothing else. town pile

*geript - start of game was town: jokes, prodding, pushing for answers, calling someone's case horrible. did mafia thing where promised information in terms of meta reads on people, hasn't delivered. dunno why, think this post is super town: "At some point yah. But I'd like to have a read on most of the people in the game. There's way too many inactives right now. Maybe when I reread I'll realize I'm being dumb idk. We'll see." could be wrong, look into again later. town pile for now*

artanis - asking questions, pushing for answers to his questions, him being "torn" about chyz seems a little odd not enough to worry now, but watch to see how that read develops. town pile

lazer - says won't lynch drh, then null reads me for essentially the same reason. makes not very much sense. has a torn sentiment on geript like me and skeptical of koshi like me. could be wrong, but read too strange. mafia pile

marv - supposedly great town player, managed 2nd page of filter while doing remarkably little. read on me seems lazy and inaccurate. mafia pile

^jat - bleeding town out of every orofice. town pile^

*robik - made it to almost 2 pages of his filter while complaining about not having time to play, could have spent time playing. promises to wreck, worth waiting until tomorrow to see because strong town player. town pile*

thechyz - posts seem incredibly honest...can't place finger on it. could be slight donkey, but really seemed concerned about thread direction. snap omgus'd drH, which seems more town responsive in the context. town pile

palmar - agree with lots of his reads, don't like excuses. town pile

damdred - has a non-lazy meta read on me as opposed to marv. pushing thread in productive direction and correcting others for misrepresenting people's arguments. town pile

*batsnacks - someone (look up later) said batsnacks has been playing differently. seems like same town batsnacks to me. could have bad read on him. town pile*

SL - bizarre play. seemed to be trying to defuse me and drH arguing early, has weird interaction where he demands i have a read on him, when i don't. formulates a bunch of random thoughts in regards to me not remembering previous game. no idea what he is talking about in the slightest. none of his other reads are formulated in a coherent way, done nothing townie. mafia pile

vivax - no post

*kels - evolving reads, when i was mafia last game with him had static reads that didn't change much of the game, currently his reads seem more fluid, probably town or got better at mafia. this was the guy who said bats playing differently, watch that read. town pile*

ritoky - town jesus

drH - guy contradicting himself all over the place. stupid policy crap, doesn't follow through. forgotten about it entirely at this point. no idea what he is doing. dumpster case on chyz, pot calling kettle black. calling out for hypocrisy not because he is actually scum. has largest filter, probably town unfortunately. is most likely donkey, be wary of his reads they may be bad. town pile

eden - town town town. giving reads unprovoked, not folding when pressured, commenting when unsolicited. seems invested in reads makes very good point about the timing of chyz's post and people exploiting it to get a read on chyz even though the situation had kinda already defused itself. town pile

*rebirth - "i'm here guys! notice me senpai!" into nothing. scum pile for now*

superbia - no post

On January 26 2015 14:22 Onegu wrote:
Ok GB is town mafia isn't going to post notes like that.

Toad is being thread mayor town for now.

Robik also most likely town, stupid for scum to come in and drop a huge dump in thread.

Eden no idea I can't read drunk people with a buzz myself.

Liancort mentions me and palmar but not VE. That's fairly suspicious to me.

The chick hasn't posted much worthwhile either, but that face palm was hella funny.

Palmar VE I miss you ok that is all I can think of for now

Goodnight

On January 26 2015 10:21 GlowingBear wrote:

GB's 1st Mindnotes

(disclaimer: this is something new I'm trying to keep track of my thoughts)

1. IAmRobik
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2. Onegu
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3. GlowingBear
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4. Eden1892
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5. liancourt
+ Show Spoiler +

6. Palmar
+ Show Spoiler +

7. VisceraEyes
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8. Toadesstern
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9. Half the Sky
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Townreads so far:
Toadsteem
liancourt

Possible scums (in order):
Eden
HTS
Onegu

On January 27 2015 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:

first sentence: He is bad
second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way
He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours.
fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis.

how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy?
HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended)
I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments.

On January 27 2015 07:27 Toadesstern wrote:

first sentence: He is bad
second+third sentence: well... that's him being bad because he told you about it if he really thinks that way
He shouldn't have done that. We'll have to see what he posts in the next couple hours.
fourth+ sentence: he has only made 4 posts ever since (trusting you on this) so it's obvious there's not a lot of actualy thoughts on analysis.

how is "I'm going afk be back later" something inherently scummy?
HTS has said something along those lines multiple times. I don't see you all over her (pun might be intended)
I actually do that a lot as well depending on my mood, as all three alignments.

On January 27 2015 07:41 Eden1892 wrote:
Robik

I cheated on you.
I read the post meant for Palmar.
Can I answer it or is a menage-a-trois not your thing right now

On January 27 2015 07:43 Palmar wrote:
@My friend Robik.

I do not think there is a single simple answer to that question??? ::::

On January 27 2015 07:44 Eden1892 wrote:
only robik gets to read this.
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On January 27 2015 05:10 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd like to hear that read from Palmar. It's already "tonight"

On January 27 2015 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
it was curiosity, not frustration but I don't see how that's important

On January 27 2015 10:28 Half the Sky wrote:


How is the above (bolded) alignment indicative?

On January 27 2015 23:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Both Toad and GB are picking on Onegu, the easy lynch. Toad is driving that push...hmmm. GB took him out of context. Hmmm.

On January 28 2015 00:15 Palmar wrote:
HTS you are weird and you say things that make little sense.

I like you.

On January 28 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:

Yeah but I'm such a dear while I'm at it that it's ok.

On January 28 2015 00:49 Half the Sky wrote:
Hey Robik,

On January 28 2015 01:23 GlowingBear wrote:


Yeah, that is a scum giving up.

Gg well played

On January 28 2015 01:27 Half the Sky wrote:


Sorry I get a little overenthused when I catch scum.

<3 Palmar.

On January 28 2015 01:59 Toadesstern wrote:

everyone who suddendly went like "WOA WOA REREAD TOAD AND I TOTALLY SEE IT AFTER YOU IGNORED THAT ONE POST WHERE TOAD TOLD EDEN HOW TO READ HIS RANTS".
everyone's like that without even having mentioned what they think... hts is still town I feel, same as you. Robik could be mafia riding whatever is popular with people that say alot.

On January 28 2015 02:08 Toadesstern wrote:

no you're not...

On January 28 2015 02:40 Toadesstern wrote:

sry like I said... I got home, saw a bunch of people voting me, including your statement that you think I'm mafia together with GB and mistook that statement as you talking about how you're heading the lynch on me.. like Palmar mentioned

On January 28 2015 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
GB my reasoning is simple. Your "mind dump" posts looked very much like trying to appear contributory to me. This is exacerbated by the fact that once called out on them you simply stopped doing them. Earlier on in the game your posting had a theme of "BRB guys, I'm reading but I'll BRB I'm doing something else BRB" and since you've returned you've seemed really defensive.

On January 28 2015 03:50 VisceraEyes wrote:

What are you even saying here? My reasons for being suspicious of GB are documented, and verily even referenced by other players. Are you trying to discredit me or troll me?

On January 28 2015 04:41 GlowingBear wrote:
I'm driving
Eden, I have voted myself as a e part of a play.
You can see that Paulmark asked me if I wanted to say something else and I said That he should think about the vote which means It was part of a plan.

On January 28 2015 05:19 Toadesstern wrote:

I believe it. The play was
"I have no idea what to do anymore... - how about you vote yourself and see what happens, not like you got something to lose here. If you get lynched without doing it we're down to just me anways - fiiiiine"

On January 28 2015 06:26 Half the Sky wrote:
Alright. For those of us who wish to try:

Here's Palmar's games out of the database. He has NOT rolled scum often at all this year.

+ Show Spoiler [Palmar] +

Have at it. Any input would be grand.

On January 28 2015 07:03 Eden1892 wrote:

^this shit, right here. stop it

On January 28 2015 07:53 Eden1892 wrote:
OK, so back to it. I think GlowingBear is town, because:
(a) His lynch has been way too easy. We could have had him already several times if we'd wanted it, and I think if this weren't IML he would have been lynched by now.
(b) I'm inclined to believe him when he says he had a plan with his self-voting. I don't know what the plan is, and he's gonna have to explain it or get lynched, but pending a reasonable-sounding explanation, I'll believe that he's town.

From there I'm gonna go look at the other players. I'm town and I feel pretty strongly that Half the Sky is as well.

The first player I'm looking at is Onegu, because like I said before, if GlowingBear is town, then Onegu is town as well. I explained this early on p46, feel free to look back and see. Onegu is town.

I have a bad feeling about both Robik and Palmar. Robik has been very loud and animated about lynching GlowingBear, who I believe now to be town, and has done very little - nothing noteworthy enough for me to remember, anyway - outside of talking about killing GlowingBear. And from what I recall his original reasoning wasn't very good. Furthermore, I really didn't like the "playing to wincon" part of his accusation against GB. As I noted before, the only way Robik can accuse GB of not playing to win con as confidently as he did is if he knows GB is town, because mafia self-hammering can absolutely be part of the mafia win con (whereas town self-hammering never is part of town win con). Perhaps I'm getting greedy; I don't really believe in "scumslips." But I kinda think this was one.

Palmar, on the other hand, I feel more confident is mafia. I noted on p47 that Palmar seemed like a slightly more exaggerated version of himself in this game; he seemed to be more aggressively trolly/apathetic to start the day and then more aggressively active/ostensibly-helpful once that stopped. In my (limited) experience with Palmar as town, he tends to ease his way into a game; there's very little pushing to the degree he's done here, and his warmup process is slower and smoother. He doesn't go from 0 to 90 fucks given like he has here; it's more of a steady press on the give-a-fuck accelerator. It feels like he dropped a brick on the accelerator this game, like he was trying to make sure no one could question that he was being active and involved now.

Then there's his vote for GlowingBear... HTS already noted it. It's a policy vote, not a vote for mafia. The problem is that it's a policy vote based on GB martyring that's stayed on GB after GB retracted his self-vote. Policy votes are meant to be done to discourage the behavior triggering the policy vote. For them to be effective, then, there must be an incentive to revoke the behavior - a revoked vote in exchange. Palmar hasn't met GB halfway. If he really cares about the policy being effective, why is he not retracting his vote? On the other hand, if Palmar was just looking for a nice-sounding reason to put a vote down on GB (L-1 no less) and walk away, it makes perfect sense.

Toad and VE are still in my null pile; I don't see myself pursuing either of them as lynches today. liancourt, I still think is probably town because I can put myself in what I project to be his shoes and make sense of it from a townie POV.

##UNVOTE: Onegu
##VOTE: Palmar

On January 28 2015 12:00 Eden1892 wrote:
Catch up quicker, times have changed. GB and Palmar are town still

On January 28 2015 17:57 Eden1892 wrote:

robik I still need this explained. How was GB self-voting against mafia win con?

On January 28 2015 18:20 Eden1892 wrote:
ROBIK AND PALMAR

Thoughts on liancourt?

On January 29 2015 00:25 Half the Sky wrote:


Robik, your last posts indicate to me you had not caught up on the thread (when I was asleep).

Have you even looked at GB's latest exchange with Palmar? Do you have any thoughts or conclusions on it? Specifically where he talks about the voting sequence on him and his plays?

Does that give to you a town or scum impression?

If you're town, you'd be further substantiating your push using his latest information or you would be moving on to another scumread.

On January 28 2015 20:42 GlowingBear wrote:
Why is people ignoring Robik at the first place?

On January 28 2015 21:56 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok something really boring is happening on TL mobile. It automatically opens App Store. C'mon. This is getting me angry

Ok my lynch list is between Toad, Robik, Onegu and lian.

I actually don't want to lynch onegu today, I would rather take another look on him.
Lian, can you address to this, please?: why are you ignoring real time interactions since you stated repeatedly in other games that your way of evaluating people's play is by having real time interactions? Why would you rather bring a lot of old stuff without actually making anything out of them?

I'm seriously wishy washy regarding toad. I'm afraid I could be tunnelled because he voted me. But his survival vote was really bad. It makes me think this again: would mafia be so obvious?

Regarding Robik, I thought his reaction about my joke post on him was genuine. The problem is that he is voting me since the beginning of the game without actually pursuing to discover my alignment. All he does is call me mafia for bad reasons but makes no intent to actually lynch me. He is just laying there, with a vote on me, calling people bad because he is "leading the wagon". He may have started it, but the main vocal person against me is HTS, who is actually trying to convince people to get me dead. Robik, in the other hand, just points out a post and say "OH YOU'RE JUST MAFIA TRYING TO LOOK TOWNIE" which is ridiculous.

My preferred lynch today is Robik.
##unvote
##Vote: Robik

On January 28 2015 22:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Robik has been doing less and less. Off the cuff, my issue with Robik is that he doesn't seem to have any other scum reads than GB.

On January 29 2015 01:22 VisceraEyes wrote:
Like Robik, I don't know about "lies", I can maybe see a town GB like....making a play or whatever to try and read you. And while I agree that at first it certainly doesn't SEEM like a reaction test, it could be argued that THAT is the POINT of a reaction test.

But him reading you to exclusion IS something. Especially given, as HTS said, that town sentiment is VASTLY in favor of Toad/lian and has been for a while I think.

On January 29 2015 01:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
To set the record straight, I'm pretty sure I haven't defended you anywhere Toad. Simply asked Palmar to further elaborate on his read of you. I'm very close to voting for you myself, because I'm not used to you playing a game without screaming about how X or Y is mafia...regardless of your alignment.

On January 26 2015 11:20 GlowingBear wrote:

GB's 2nd Mindnotes

1. IAmRobik
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On January 26 2015 11:32 GlowingBear wrote:


Ooooooh you called me "bitch"
%%Vote: Robik

On January 26 2015 23:12 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, if Robik is mafia, we kill a mafia
If Robik is town, we get rid of him anyway

win/win

On January 27 2015 00:08 GlowingBear wrote:


Because it's Robik. Getting rid of him is always a win

[B]On January 27 2015 21:46 GlowingBear wrote:
##Unvote

Robik is town. That reaction is genuine.
Calm down, Robik. You take what I say too seriously.

On January 29 2015 02:09 Onegu wrote:



You have been calling me scummy all game now I'm in your town pile why?

On January 28 2015 01:43 GlowingBear wrote:
Yes you are palmar.
You would never jump this easily on a guy who is voting himself knowing that there are only 2 scums in the game and survivability is crucial, SPECIALLY when it's instant majority.

Too risky move for a mafia to do in instant majority. You know that.

On January 29 2015 02:39 Half the Sky wrote:


To be quite honest, he's been disjointed in going on you but both of you are going after each other, so I'd need both of you to come up with something more substantial in gameplay aside from going OMGUS on each other. GB, to his credit has explained his play and why he's gripping between Palmar and Toad based on the play.

Meta arguments generally hold no water on me. I have had only one game played with GB and zero with you.

On January 29 2015 04:01 Palmar wrote:
Not trolling.

Kill GB.

On January 30 2015 08:21 GlowingBear wrote:


C'mon this is bullshit.

You've scumread me the entire game and now you wonder why I'm still alive?
Why, because I looked townie to you?

You're so mafia, Robik. I'm going to prove it .

On January 30 2015 08:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Onegu is just flopping around now. He's voting for lian, is calling me mafia and "is going to prove" that Robik is mafia. How many mafia does Onegu think are in this game?

On January 30 2015 08:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
What inconsistency are you referring to exactly?

On January 30 2015 08:21 GlowingBear wrote:


C'mon this is bullshit.

You've scumread me the entire game and now you wonder why I'm still alive?
Why, because I looked townie to you?

You're so mafia, Robik. I'm going to prove it .

On January 30 2015 10:14 Onegu wrote:



If GB is scum who is your second read?

On January 29 2015 02:29 IAmRobik wrote:
Let's start with this bullshit read on me. I came into the game and voted for HTS for taking HF's spot. He then asks me a follow up about my thoughts on the game. I clearly wasn't following along and I clearly hadn't (and still haven't) read the beginning of the game before I entered. I then mention that I'm willing to lynch him after HTS. This is all clearly not game related and he starts to push me here for it. If he were paying attention to the game at all or actually reading what I said in context, he wouldn't come to these conclusions as a town:



Next, he votes me in a joking matter for calling him a bitch.



Only to leave a few meaningless posts later, come back the next day and instantly vote me for not having a long filter. This is problem 1. He had just finished playing a game with me where I had a really short filter d1. I was town. I was busy. Clearly he should realize that it's not alignment indicative of me. And regardless, by the end of that d1 I still have like a 5-6 page filter.

He then continues to mock me with this post:



This is the argument of a spiteful lil bitch.

More spiteful bitchery:


He then starts jumping on HTS for giving a read that GB's vote was spiteful and mine was town trolling. IT WAS BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FOR ANYONE INVOLVED THAT MY VOTE ON HTS WAS TROLLING REGARDING THE HF SITUATION. I EVEN WROTE "JE SUIS HF." He has nothing to go on and is really fucking stretching to call me scum here:



And subtly trying to push scum on HTS for thinking I'm town as well.


This progression is something he's done all game. It's really fucking scummy. He is openly avoiding situations where he has to give reads on people because he's facing a lot of pressure and doesn't know how to respond on the spot. He possibly is deciding whether or not to go into anti-spew mode or what, but I think a lot of people have already been spewwed with his actions and their actions towards him:




Again, this is just one example of a multitude of times where he has come into the thread FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF SHOWING THAT HE'S NOT AFKING. Note, this is different from what you do HTS. When you say you're leaving or are going afk or wahtever the case may be, you provide some game relevant information. Notice how this is NOT what GB is doing.

Then there's this post:



He's finally "come around" to me being town. I think he has 3 votes on him at this point. He has finally succumb to the fact that I am being universally town read and that I am no longer a possible mislynch. He either gave up because of that or because he now has to try to win my favor so that I don't vote him. It's probably the latter given that AS SOON AS PRESSURE IS OFF OF HIM, HE IS BACK ON THE "LYNCH ROBIK" TRAIN.

I will continue this later, but I'm just so fucking mad that I just wasted 20 minutes reading through his posts and explaining the some simple fucking concepts to people who should know fucking better.

On January 30 2015 22:22 GlowingBear wrote:
REFORMATTED



Starts suspecting me because I'm not making associative reads.

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This is where I started to suspect Robik. His reluctance to read onegu striked me as odd. As I said I had a read on onegu at that time and asked Robik just to give thoughts, he just says I'm scum and he won't read what I wrote. Bizarre. If you have a scumread, you're probably give some thoughts at key posts so you can keep confirming of rediscovering the guy's alignment. But pursuing it is a thing Robik isn't doing.

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I thought this post was genuine but re reading it its ridiculously fabricated. Why? Because posts made out of anger will never have "revisions" like "this was redacted because I don't want to get modkilled". It's completely fabricated. Even his argument that a game where we're together never moves forward because I scumread him everytime is bullshit. Last game we've played together I gave him a town pass day 1. I TOWNREAD YOU. And I am one of the most prolific players in TL. I know how to generate discussion. Student mafia V had a busy day1. It stopped moving forward after I died.

But the most important argument on Robik is that although he says he is pushing me, he actually isn't trying to solve the fucking game and he isn't trying to discover my alignment. I give reads, he doesn't give a fuck, he doesn't try to see where I'm getting them from.

He isn't trying to convince the thread I'm scum, although he is hard scumreading me. I can't stress this enough. He doesn't search for others alignment, he doesn't gives townreads like he does as town. He just scumreads me without convincing anyone.
The only thing he does is saying I'm scum for bad reasons. Like these in spoilers:

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I didn't even mention his epiphany bullshit of me and onegu being mafia together then in there next page of his filter saying that onegu is mafia if I'm not.

On January 31 2015 00:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah maybe I'll flip on Robik today. Maybe today is the day I flip on Robik.

On January 30 2015 22:14 GlowingBear wrote:
Last game we've played together I gave him a town pass day 1. I TOWNREAD YOU.

On January 30 2015 22:14 GlowingBear wrote:And I am one of the most prolific players in TL.

On January 31 2015 00:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
based on the thinnest bullshit reason. And he GOT TOAD LYNCHED.

On January 31 2015 01:01 GlowingBear wrote:


I'm not arguing with you anymore, Robik. You're a douche.

I like that you literally peed your pants. A condition like that suits you well.

On January 31 2015 00:52 VisceraEyes wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmar

....that did make me feel a little better.

On January 28 2015 12:07 IAmRobik wrote:
Eden and Palmar:
I just read pg 50 and am utterly baffled at how you two are analyzing what GB said. He had absolutely no reason to fear being lynched in that spot as mafia and his explanation is total horseshit. "think about the vote" means nothing. LITERALLY NOTHING. You gave him 11 hours to fabricate a reason for the self-vote when it was obvious he was fucking conceding as mafia. Then he comes back with an explataion that is such utter horseshit that I'm amazed that you actually consider it. Am I wrong about you? Are you Adam Sandler from the Waterboy? "I self voted because I knew that mafia wouldn't hammer me" NO SHIT. HE VOTED TO MAKE IT 3 VOTES ON HIM. TOWN IS A BUNCH OF PUSSIES AND ABSOLUTELY NEVER EVER EVER hammer in that spot. It just doesn't hammer. And if someone votes him (like palmar did), he can just unvote mere minutes later. I'm literally blown away by the stupidity in this thread from people whose play I actually respect.

I don't know if I can even keep reading what happens from pg 51-53 because my hands are shaking that's how mad I am

On January 29 2015 05:04 IAmRobik wrote:
Plammmmmar, can we lynch GB yet

On January 31 2015 01:38 GlowingBear wrote:
ROBIK.

Let's consider, for a moment, that we are both town.

Who are scum?

On January 31 2015 05:06 GlowingBear wrote:
What about the second one, Robik?

On January 31 2015 05:33 Half the Sky wrote:


Onegu? Where does he rank for you?

On January 31 2015 05:34 IAmRobik wrote:

yeah, this guy

On January 31 2015 06:27 GlowingBear wrote:


This is bizarre. Why even putting you on the list?

By the way, how can you consider me as mafia with palmar while I'm voting palmar and after I called him out a lot in day1?
I don't like associative reads, but the thing is that you're scumreading me for something you are actually doing. Why?

On January 31 2015 06:45 GlowingBear wrote:


Yes. If you're town, the fact that you're town is the most explicit fact that your interactions with palmar shouldn't be mafia/mafia.

You can't see things through an impartial POV when you're in the game. When I ask you things, I want your perspective, only, and not a fabricated impartial POV.

On January 31 2015 06:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, I have problems with your Onegu reads. If you realise, I haven't been talking about him anymore. Why do you believe in the WIFOM mafia great plan between me and palmar, but does not believe me and Onegu could be mafia together?

Easiest thing for scum to do is to scumread his scum partner in the beginning of the game and completely forget him.

Also, you townreading him over my interaction with him, but having no good idea about his filters and eve forgetting he is in the game seems odd.

On January 31 2015 06:51 GlowingBear wrote:


I can understand this, Robik. I'm just saying that I want your perspective only. Not an objective view of the game.

I'll repeat the question and I want your view only ok?
Considering I'm not town:

Who is the scum team?
How me being town changes things?

On January 31 2015 06:59 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok.
Now, supposing I'm mafia: what do you're of me voting palmar?

On January 31 2015 07:02 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, although it requires you to delve deeper: based on your reads so far and in the world where I'm town and palmar is mafia, from your POV, who probably is his partners?
I know you have to delve deeper but if you had to guess. Who is it?

On January 31 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Some of your reads on me were forced or revealed extreme tunnel, Robik. I didn't agree with your explanations. But I'm trying to see it through a very tunnelled townie perspective and, tbh, I'm kinda getting able to see it.

I also have a bad feeling regarding palmar. What did you think was weird on my read progression on palmar?

On January 31 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:
You see, from our conversation here, we have similar reading patterns:

You think scum is basically between me, lian and palmar.
I once thought scum was basically between you, lian and palmar.

How do you think this scenario affects the night kill on night1?

On January 31 2015 08:01 GlowingBear wrote:


No mafia motive to do that Robik, that's what I'm trying to say.

Here is the thing:

Palmar says that he didn't the day to end.
But he votes me out of spite not caring if the day will end or not.
Not caring if I was town because he says it's a policy lynch (easy excuse for mafia)
Then I show him that he isn't that aggressive with that policy thing because he didn't want to lynch a martyr in another game
He says it's irrelevant and dismisses it.

Do you understand the damning contradiction about him?