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On January 27 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Those post are him faking putting thoughts on what kind of vote that was. But it went to no conclusion.
Are we reading the same thing? I already said in the case he was asking a question and that it was unreasonable to assume he could even make a conclusion. (operative in blue)
How do you know for absolute sure he was faking it?
On January 26 2015 14:56 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 11:20 GlowingBear wrote:I also don't like this post of his + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#127 because he just says to me that the vote is horrible and that the opening is null. See, he is just commenting: he doesn't say why that post can come from both alignments, he doesn't try to understand my reasoning why reading Toad as scum and he doesn't have any conclusion on my attitude. He just... comments. This is patently false. On page 7 of the thread, Onegu has two comments directly after this post (which GB clearly ignored) as follows: Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 08:48 Onegu wrote:
Wait is it a lynch vote or a mayor vote? These quotes indicate that Onegu is at least trying to understand the reasoning, and he certainly cannot make a conclusion when he's trying to figure out which type of vote it was. That's completely unreasonable.
On January 27 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
A question here: why my vote was scummy and Robik's probably town trolling?
Because Robik explicitly said he was voting me for taking Holyflare's spot. It is in his filter, so I know.
On January 27 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
How can you still say everybody was leaning town when you had suspicions on me? How can you suddenly think I'm mafia for that?
I already said they disappeared when you removed the initial Toad vote. I scumread you again when I examined your notes.
On January 27 2015 01:08 GlowingBear wrote:
You've played once with me and you are trying to push meta reads. You're analysing last games of mine. Yet you disregard Robik's meta saying that "you haven't played with him yet". Well, you could do what you're doing with me now. Why the double standards?
Are you taking things out of context again?
Onegu is checking my read, and that's why I am looking into meta. He is contesting you are not scum based on meta. I am looking at your notes and trying to compare that to parts in your prior games.
My initial case on you WAS NOT BASED ON META.
Onegu is using meta to defend you. I am resolving that.
(Not finished yet...)
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On January 27 2015 01:44 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 01:40 Half the Sky wrote:
I'd reeeeaaaalllllllly like to see more from Palmar. I observed Metal Mini. And I recall him being quite vocal D1...
*glares at Palmar*
(responding to GB next...) Once I played a game where I made a case on myself on day 1. I was town. I have not made a case on myself on day 1. What is your conclusion?
Making a case on yourself D1 is not the point, the point is based on the little I know of you I'd expect you to be contributing more one way or another. Based on that, a slight scumread until I see more from you.
I know absolutely zero on Robik, zero on VE, zero on Onegu, so I have to take them completely at face value.
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On January 27 2015 01:55 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 23:12 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way, if Robik is mafia, we kill a mafia
If Robik is town, we get rid of him anyway
win/win If you're town this game, kindly see that you don't fucking /in any game that i ever play in moving forward. I'm tired of your bullshit. you think I'm mafia every fucking game.
I don't like what GB quoted above either, but Robik, when I examined GB's meta, he mentioned you a lot particularly when he was scum. Could this not have been part of his strategy?
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On January 27 2015 02:05 Palmar wrote:
Sometimes I contribute, sometimes I don't. The little you know is but one of the many alternative universes I have been a part of.
Are you trying to tell me that you are unreadable?
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On January 27 2015 02:10 Palmar wrote:
Quite the opposite, I am just helping you understand that your current methods are unlikely to yield any reliable results!
I am here to help.
Reliable results on you or any of my own reads on anyone here?
I disregard meta on people I've not played with. You know I'm relatively new here. What do you think I should be doing?
For someone like yourself if what you say is true (you have no meta/alternate ways of playing), then why at this point, if I take you at face value, should I not scumread you for not solving the game at this point, or other relatively straightforward reasons I can justify?
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Looks like I'm leaving the office with Palmar as another scumread at this point, but GlowingBear is still my top scumread.
Top of the charts by a country mile.
I'll be in touch after dinner.
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Robik, if you're referring to me, I'm scumreading Palmar for that reason.
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On January 27 2015 02:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Also anyone whining about drunk posts but not reading and commenting on the big post with reads that came after it is a donkey and should be ashamed.
I had gotten to page 4 of your filter and I got sidetracked admittedly. Which is why I am not updating my read on you quite yet.
Now I really need to leave the office.
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On January 27 2015 02:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Other updates: Half the Sky is clearly town. I feel that Robik and VisceraEyes are probably town for tilting,
Tilting means....?
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On January 27 2015 03:34 GlowingBear wrote:
Robik I've done a lot already. I've clearly answered half the sky case when I got home.
WTF.
And I had a followup to that. Because I have demonstrated yet again that you are taking things out of context.
Furthermore if you are town, you actually need to show signs of solving the game. I don't see an alternative from you.
Defensive posts are understandable but you need to do more than that.
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On January 27 2015 02:49 Eden1892 wrote:
ew gross my filter is 5 whole pages long
that's long enough to be policy townread. that sucks
where did liancourt go?
Liancourt should have posted a little more today, but was asleep likely at the time you posted...should be up in another 3-4 hours...probably will be posting then if someone isn't hammered by then.
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On January 26 2015 13:04 Eden1892 wrote:
I also feel like GlowingBear was townie but I don't remember why. Maybe I'll know when I reread.
On January 27 2015 02:40 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2015 02:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm still relatively fine with a GB lynch. I still don't like his "mind dumps" and he warned us he'd be doing them all game and now that he's been called out on it they've stopped. Like, it all just stinks of trying to APPEAR to be doing things. Robik going hard on GB too, and I think Robik probably town.
Toad seems town to me, though I admit that my read on Toad is possibly bad. Huh, I forgot about that. Good observation. GB where did the mind dumps go?
On January 27 2015 02:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Robik if I help you lynch GlowingBear can we lynch liancourt next? If you thought GB had it out for you, just read liancourt's filter, like half of it is targeted at me and it's mostly misinterpretations
On January 27 2015 03:15 Eden1892 wrote:
obviously i'm not townreading you anymore...???
(the last quote was in response to GB)
Eden I cannot follow your thought process on GB, these are the only quotes I could find of you on him.
So tell me why you townread him and then scumread GlowingBear.
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EBWOP - Ignore the above post - the quote boxes messed up. Fixing that....
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Ah hell, that wasn't meant to be edited. That was meant to be quoted. I am failing with this today.
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On January 27 2015 03:48 Toadesstern wrote:Can you compare my list to yours HTS and tell me where the differences are? - Toad - town
- HTS - likely town
GB - likely town
- Palmar - null, maybe slightly town
VE - null, maybe slightly town
- Robik - null, I have no idea
- Onegu - null, a bit worse than robik though
- Eden1892 - slightly leaning mafia for now
liancourt - slightly leaning mafia
I know you don't agree with my read on GB. But what about the bottom part of my list? Especially considering that Eden and lian being mafia together makes no sense whatsoever I'd like to get some input on that.
If I had to rank these:
You and VE appear to be town based on everything I'm reading from both of you.
Robik is null leaning town.
Onegu is still null but may be moved down if I don't see more from him (assuming it's still early for the US people).
Palmar is null leaning scum for his nonsensical posts, even if I find them amusing at times.
GlowingBear is definitely scum.
Under review:
Eden - post on page four looks okay, but I don't know why he's jumping on the GB train all of a sudden. Just questioned him on that.
Liancourt - should be posting, if I don't see more from him in a few hours, he'll be moved up my lynch list.
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On January 27 2015 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
let's vote liancout, he never had a vote on him
##vote liancourt
Pressure vote?
I am keeping my vote on GB until he gets back to me...
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On January 27 2015 03:53 Toadesstern wrote:
VE has two votes in that.
I believe he voted GB first, and then switched to Palmar, but since has said that he's okay with a GB lynch.
So I think VE and GB two votes apiece.
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EBWOP - Robik and GB two I mean.
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On January 27 2015 03:54 Toadesstern wrote:
let's vote liancout, he never had a vote on him
##vote liancourt
Lian is in Korea AFAIK. I'd say give another 4h. If he doesn't do jack all, then I think a pressure vote is appropriate then.
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Toad,
I looked at Lian and Eden exchange. Highly doubt both are scum, since double bussing is unlikely D1. Lian had one good post that drove discussion (the unreadable post on you) but after that
Lian's meta or a trait is that when he votes someone he generally is confident in his reads to the point he will not explain them. Which is part of the problem here. He is scumreading Eden on meta for what I can tell, but I don't like that because some of us here have not played with Eden, and he doesn't seem to be pushing him except questioning the OMGUS part.
If one of the two were scum, and if I had to make a bet based on what I'm reading so far, I'd say Lian over Eden for scum, but unlikely both.
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