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On January 26 2015 22:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Wow this thread is I slow.
Let's hammer Robik, please.
Why? I'd like either of you or Palmar to sell your case to me, a player who:
1 Has never played with Robik/not familiar with his meta
2 Sees that Robik is to be policy voted here
3 Sees little/no explanation of why Robik is being voted
4 Has a fairly substantial case (and a vote for that matter) on you.
Ah, and speaking of #3, are you going to respond to my case on you or at least help resolve the issues there?
Another conference call at work, but I'll touch base.
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GB, regarding #2, I don't fully agree with your read, as I said before, I can see a null or scum read on his behaviour going either way, and to me, he's sarcastic (but tone read) and such, but I am taking him at face value.
If you are taking him out based on meta, I need you to explain.
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EBWOP - meant to say "but tone reads are weak" and such...
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Robik, I already have a vote on him and a massive case as well, if he does not respond, I shall push him further when I'm off this call.
If you're convinced he's mafia (for whatever reason), perhaps you too should be voting him.
Maybe elaborate on a scum GB meta if you can?
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Robik and Palmar, reads please.
VE, same for you when you appear in thread.
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On January 26 2015 23:48 Onegu wrote:
Robik is reminding me of Cora in BttB just shit in the thread and flip town after I tunneled him all game...
So between this and GB's meta view I have two opposing points on Robik's meta. This is exactly why I gave a null read on his behaviour.
But he does need to at least defend himself against GB when he can, and provide reads.
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Palmar is another player who I've not played with. All of a single post. I'm surprised GB isn't giving the same read on him as he is Robik.
I was pretty sure town Palmar is someone who tries to solve the game. Or does he throw sarcastic remarks D1 as well?
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On January 26 2015 23:53 Onegu wrote:
Can someone link me a game GB rolled scum
The database shall be our friend...
Leaving you with this...another call in 2 minutes here...
Glowing Bear meta - click to open:
+ Show Spoiler [GlowingBear] +
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V Titanic is a mini, you are correct here, he appears to have done jack all that game.
Fanfic Crossover, large normal, this is where GB seems to go more substantial with some of his explanations and I'm getting more hesitant to give him a pass on meta. Some of these explanations might hold a parallel to the way he explains things here, examples:
On September 16 2014 02:52 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote:On September 16 2014 02:44 GlowingBear wrote:
It's ambiguous, I could read that "not pushing" is a staple or "pushing" is a staple.
Doesn't really matter, that's fair enough.
I wouldn't give a free pass, tho. Rayn is self aware of that scumtell Ok GB, Tell me what you think of VE and Robik right now if you could Haven't read the whole thread because I was working when the thread boomed. But for what I've read, this is totally town Robik. I don't know VE's meta but he seems too passive, saying he is voting palmar but he is not sure. I don't like this. If he is not sure he should be searching for other possibilities, other scummy posts. There is only three options: you think someone is town, you think someone is scum, or you have no idea. You vote for the ones you think could be mafia, you discuss with the ones you think is town, and you inquire null reads. He is not inquiring palmar, he is freely voting on him.
On September 16 2014 23:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Robik's tone completely changed over the pages, marv. He was at least scum hunting but then he started just defending himself and calling people bad over nothing, and left the thread. This is how he plays as scum. I showed my motives right after the vote.
I can't stand playing with Robik anymore, he really thinks he is better than he actually is
On September 16 2014 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2014 23:26 marvellosity wrote:
Robik came out the gate calling people awful and he continued to do it, consistently. "You're bad because your read is bad. I think this guy is mafia because *okay reasoning*" = town Robik "You're bad because you're bad. I think this guy is mafia because he called him Harry Potter instead of his actual nickname. LOL u calling me mafia? You guys suck only for that I'm getting out of the thread because I'm pissed off" = scum Robik He can call people bad anytime, that's Robik. Calling people bad for nothing and not building a good scum hunt, that's scum Robik. His gameplay started as town and got scum, so I voted him
I realise he's not a native English speaker though, and neither am I for that matter, so I can understand if something is getting lost in translation. But the Fanfic game is giving me pause...
Looking through some of the others...
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On January 27 2015 00:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
I really really dislike GB's "mind-dumps" or whatever. Like - it just reeks of "Hey guys look at how productive I am! I mean I've got notes on EVERY PLAYER here!"
...and assuming you've played with GB more, esp as scum....he appears to have had LOADS more those in his scum games I'm reading through so far.
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On January 27 2015 00:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Because it's Robik. Getting rid of him is always a win
Guess what? Onegu counterpointed you on meta.
Now, you have to further substantiate your push on him.
Ah, and what of my case on you? Unless you are still at the gym of course.
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Onegu, I read Mission Mini and Fanfic Crossover, and I'm actually more convinced GB is scum.
What town games (aside from Fantasy Football) have you read?
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Finished Arnie Got His Gun game....more of the same....hitting his town games...
On August 19 2014 13:11 GlowingBear wrote:
I've just caught up and I couldn't change my mind regarding Robik. He's bringing nothing to the table but his rudeness. I can't tell with precision who Robik thinks is scum and who he thinks is town. Only a "feel" that I'm mafia.
I don't get why are you scumreading me because of that. Tell me what are you seeing scum on me and explain it so I can clarify myself. I really don't understand it.
I also don't like geript's huge lurk and then opening with a huge scumpile with only quotations without in depth explanation. What do you think of Robik?
On August 19 2014 01:32 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 01:28 Xatalos wrote:
To be fair he mentioned before scumreading you that he forgot the post that made him scumread you, then went and found it, so it's not like he invented a reason after mentioning a scumread... Probably. And playing "unusually" isn't scummy in itself really. I'm not considering it itself. He is lurking and dropping one liners and I don't find that townie, like I wouldn't regarding any player. After realising that, I think town Robik is much more capable of contributing than that. So, both these things together makes my second argument against him.
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Yea, VE, I feel the material he's putting out is highly suspect. Disregarding meta, he's a strong scumread for me.
Continuing to evaluating other people...
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Looking closer at Eden.
My history with Eden, only one game with him and I was modkilled from that game D2, he was scum that game. He seemed like he was putting effort in that game and I had incorrectly townread him.
This game page 1 of filter - mostly sarcastic one-liners, going to say null for now on that part alone.
On January 26 2015 10:05 Eden1892 wrote:
liancourt is aggressively null. He's my kill right now, because I'm actually a bureaucrat tasked with the charge of increasing Toad Town's literacy rate at all costs, and I fear he may be illiterate.
Robik, Palmar and VisceraEyes are confirmed mafia until they do something too, so now I've already decided the first 4 days of Lynchmas. Joy!
These reads could be interpreted as either more sarcasm or lousy reasons to read people...I am leaning towards sarcasm.
Reading through page 4...a lot of drunk posting. Ugh.
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On January 27 2015 00:39 GlowingBear wrote:
VE, I've said pre-game I was going to try something new. This is what in trying. If you're scumreading me based on a post where I post one liners about people that said ANYTHING in the thread, you're scum
For the fourth time, please respond to my accusations. I am scumreading you disregarding meta, if you are trying something new, then I assume you can post a defence at face value.
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On January 27 2015 00:44 GlowingBear wrote:9. Half the Sky + Show Spoiler + I hate this post + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=5#98 because Toads entrance was really scummy and giving a townread because someone is having fun can never be a reason to townread someone. Just look at Artanis play at Imperial, completely relaxed, and any Slam's scumgame. Felt like possible mafia not knowing how to interpret an entrance and saying it looks townie because her view is already tainted by her perfect information. INCONSISTENCY ALERT!!!! Say everyone but lian is leaning town here + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#140 but still haven't tried to figure out lian's alignment by pushing him yet. BUT thinks my entrance is horrible and puts suspicions on me here + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475954-hammertime-mafia?page=7#125 Where did those suspicions go? Weird. , can you address to these points?
I already had done so in my case, in fact doing so exposed the problems in your case (page 14).
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On January 27 2015 00:45 GlowingBear wrote:
I find boring responding to your accusations because I'm town and it makes those accusations completely false.
Anyway, gonna do this now.
If you're town, then you will convince me why my thinking is off.
Saying you're town because you're town will get you absolutely nowhere in my books.
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Toad, thoughts on Robik so far? Have you played with him?
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I'd reeeeaaaalllllllly like to see more from Palmar. I observed Metal Mini. And I recall him being quite vocal D1...
*glares at Palmar*
(responding to GB next...)
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