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On January 25 2015 21:17 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 21:13 Onegu wrote:On January 25 2015 21:11 Palmar wrote:On January 25 2015 21:09 Onegu wrote:On January 25 2015 21:06 Palmar wrote:On January 25 2015 20:50 Onegu wrote:On January 25 2015 20:30 Palmar wrote:On January 25 2015 20:16 Onegu wrote:
I made my pick my only concern is if marv is town he would pick it. It's something not on your list palmar. So you're committing to picking an anti town role. Noted. How do you get that form that? It means I'm town picking a town role that is mediocre that maybe town marv would want because of its armor... So he lives... Understand now? My list was a list of roles that aren't 100% anti town. If you pick dt/ht/carrier, and to a lesser extent sentry/zealot/stalker, you're literally claiming that you're going to pick an anti town role. My list includes all the good roles for town. Ok, but then I did realize it was on your list. Right that's fine then. You're so low on the list that you probably won't get a role, but you not getting a role gives us ton of information. Should I pick a kp role and claim then? So we know if someone has it already and I can be directed to use if needed? Like carrier, then at least I have armor and massive at least.
No carrier should under no circumstances be in the game.
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Of the mafia roles, carrier and warp prism seem by far the strongest. So the questions becomes, do we deny them?
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marv on a scale of 1 to supertown, tell everyone how much town I am now btw. Just so they know.
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On January 25 2015 21:22 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 21:19 Palmar wrote:
Of the mafia roles, carrier and warp prism seem by far the strongest. So the questions becomes, do we deny them? Again warp has to be denied and checked n1. Then I would say dt is a better pick then carrier as it make them immune to checks and kp. And with 3-4 alignment checkers...
Yes but DT can't claim DT and he can't do jack shit, we just lynch him.
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Also I'll pick warp thingee but I feel like checking me is a waste of check, but whatever.
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also all probes claim day 1.
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How does this look:
1. Palmar (Warp Prism)
2. superbia (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
3. ObiWanShinobi (Colossus)
4. IAmRobik (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
5. rsoultin (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
6. Fecalfeast (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
7. mderg (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
8. sicklucker (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
9. The Milkman (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
10. Oatsmaster (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
11. Onegu (DT/Carrier/HT/Zealot/Stalker/Sentry)
12. marvellosity (probe)
13. Alakaslam (Tempest/Obs/Oracle/Phoenix/Mothership/Core/Immortal/Archon/Void Ray)
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Reasons:
I pick Warp Prism Day 1. Someone can check me (probably the tempest as not only will he claim, he's massive and can't be roleblocked, and one of the motherships might be protecting him).
Obi sounded like town for a bit there so he gets the colossus
Onegu sorta sounds like town here (or at least he's trying. If he's mafia you guys are all shit anyway and we deserve to lose) so I'm giving him a FFA "security vent" role thing. He will basically pick one of the roles at his discretion, not use it, but he will therefore hopefully scare mafia in the playerlist above him from trying to pick one of these mafia favored roles.
marv gets probe because he's mafia.
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On January 25 2015 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh, that plan leaves it way up to interpretation and scum could get lucky if multiple people pick the same thing so we got a ton of probes.
well I'm not sure what is better, to just slot the roles in and let mafia deal with sorting out the order of shooting, or trying to leave some uncertainity.
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On January 25 2015 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh, that plan leaves it way up to interpretation and scum could get lucky if multiple people pick the same thing so we got a ton of probes.
tbh many probes is a lot better than too much kp.
The way we lose this game is if town KPs the fuck out of itself and we can't tell apart dumbass cowboy townies who think they're shit and pick roles they shouldn't, and mafia who pretend to be what I just described.
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On January 25 2015 21:41 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 21:38 Palmar wrote:On January 25 2015 21:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Meh, that plan leaves it way up to interpretation and scum could get lucky if multiple people pick the same thing so we got a ton of probes. tbh many probes is a lot better than too much kp. The way we lose this game is if town KPs the fuck out of itself and we can't tell apart dumbass cowboy townies who think they're shit and pick roles they shouldn't, and mafia who pretend to be what I just described. It's incredible how town you are.
yeah it worries me too, I'm waiting for the "Palmar is trying too hard to be town"-brigade.
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On January 25 2015 21:42 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2015 21:36 Palmar wrote:
Reasons:
I pick Warp Prism Day 1. Someone can check me (probably the tempest as not only will he claim, he's massive and can't be roleblocked, and one of the motherships might be protecting him).
Obi sounded like town for a bit there so he gets the colossus
Onegu sorta sounds like town here (or at least he's trying. If he's mafia you guys are all shit anyway and we deserve to lose) so I'm giving him a FFA "security vent" role thing. He will basically pick one of the roles at his discretion, not use it, but he will therefore hopefully scare mafia in the playerlist above him from trying to pick one of these mafia favored roles.
marv gets probe because he's mafia. Yeah I'm good,with this. I'll just claim day 1 what I chose and if I got it or not.
yeah that's the idea.
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Whatever you do, don't overconfirm me.
Like if you have a legitimate reason to think I'm mafia, go for it, double, triple, quadruple confirm me if you must. But you gotta remember that wasting resources on confirming someone you ALREADY townread (I think most people townread me by now?) is much less productive than using these same resources to clear out the muddy waters of null and red reads.
At some point people need to trust their reads. If you think I'm mafia, force me to take something self-confirmable and make someone else get the WP. The point is to actually use analysis (scumhunting) to give that dangerous role to someone who is always going to be town.
For me it's easy to know I'm town, but if you're so paranoid that I'm mafia, then just go ahead and find a better target in the top 2-4 ish to give it to. In the top 4 players there is always going to be one townie right?
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My point is, don't make a decision and then waffle on that decision with half the shit we could be doing.
Make a decision, run with it and see where it takes us.
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Also, marv seems to have vanished which probably confirms I'm right that he's mafia. If he actually is I'm going to start seriously doubting that hosts actually RNG people into teams.
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On January 25 2015 23:53 The Milkman wrote:
I go bowling and this happens, Palmar firing up some additional engines to mass post. At least they are meaningful.
I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno.
It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days.
Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe.
I didn't read warp prism, I have now. It is a strong role and I'm taking it.
The roleblock just messes with us. If mafia doesn't get KP roles the sentry is useless.
You're missing the point on colossus. It's a double "lynch" for town and he has perfect control over who he shoots, the only condition is that those two have to be right next to each other. The reason I like Colossus over the other vigis for town is that:
a) it cannot be roleblocked, so no shenanigans.
b) it doesn't have the warp ability which is incredibly mafia favored (taking control away from townies). We WILL policy lynch anyone who at any point in the game uses a warp ability.
c) it is two KP that can be aimed into the playerlist and controlled, so it is much harder to "fake" than other KP roles.
It's basically a brilliant ability to give us more KP. Basically we'll find a scummy player and shoot him and pick whoever of his neighbours is more scummy than the other. It might even be very useful for discussion.
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On January 25 2015 23:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Yeah, I kinda realized the DT is useless outside of stopping alignment checks but I was in the mindset to deny anything that can't be checked.
At this point it seems like a waste because I managed to get so high on the draft list but idrk.
I honestly don't care if mafia picks DT.
If there is an undocumented shot, we lynch probes.
DT can only shoot and fakeclaim: zealot, stalker, oracle, ht, tempest. the oracle and tempest should be checking on night 1, not shooting, and the zealot, stalker and HT are autolynches just like DT.
DO NOT PICK MAFIA ROLES.
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Like it's the entire reason I like void ray and colossus, those two vigis have something that makes them "special" and they don't have shenanigans abilities. The colossus is the ONLY ability in the game that hits two people next to each other, and the void ray is the ONLY ability in the game that requires charge up and can then hit three people.
The void ray claims on day 2 btw.
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On January 26 2015 00:42 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2015 00:35 Palmar wrote:On January 25 2015 23:53 The Milkman wrote:
I go bowling and this happens, Palmar firing up some additional engines to mass post. At least they are meaningful.
I disagree that VR and Colossus are Town roles. Colossus has no power over who is his second shot, VR packs too strong of a punch. I'd put VR at best on neutral ground, but Colossus with double shot + coward + massive is just no bueno.
It's weird that you haven't understood Warp Prism Palmar, what is more worrying is you (then) ignoring my role analysis. It is true I did not create plans, but at that time draft wasn't public and then I am not one of sandroba's or syllogism's kin to do things like that. I don't think Sentry is that 'Mafia', I think it's 2 Armor aura could be used to great extent. Although rightly so somebody can just stick to the RB and shout obscenities. Anyway, I want Palmar to get WP, Obi picking Colossus on 3rd would be imho a waste if he is Town, which he kind-of-seems-like, because of the carelessness of his behaviour, but I'll have to think a little more about that, having quite hectic days.
Anyway, I am down on the list so I'll probably get a Probe, but that's fine with me. I think my icon is still a Probe. I didn't read warp prism, I have now. It is a strong role and I'm taking it. The roleblock just messes with us. If mafia doesn't get KP roles the sentry is useless. You're missing the point on colossus. It's a double "lynch" for town and he has perfect control over who he shoots, the only condition is that those two have to be right next to each other. The reason I like Colossus over the other vigis for town is that: a) it cannot be roleblocked, so no shenanigans. b) it doesn't have the warp ability which is incredibly mafia favored (taking control away from townies). We WILL policy lynch anyone who at any point in the game uses a warp ability. c) it is two KP that can be aimed into the playerlist and controlled, so it is much harder to "fake" than other KP roles. It's basically a brilliant ability to give us more KP. Basically we'll find a scummy player and shoot him and pick whoever of his neighbours is more scummy than the other. It might even be very useful for discussion. Okay...so I get that it can't be, what's the word, easily faked. Kinda. Assuming that you don't have 2 kp available in scum and they hit people side-by-side for the wifom and lols watching town flip shit over it, (I haven't double-checked to be certain there are no other roles with splash effect type kp, but I seem to remember reading that in there somewhere). The next question is how useful is a vigi shot to town that isn't targeted? You're assuming town gets lucky enough to have a scummy next to a scum where getting rid of both actually is a good play. I mean, it happens, but I dunnae how likely that is.
We can always tell the colossus not to shoot... we ASSIGNED it to Obi.
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Slam read my plan.
Oats might be mafia
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