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Thanks for the vouches and pings, Dammy and RSo. <3 | ||
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Geript - I'm right here and Post 3 needs to be another good one. I don't have much past experience to go on with Trfel openings, and even less with yours, but if more of your posts look like post 1 as opposed to 2, I could see you being Town. The first post was a lot of seemingly genuine analysis in the first post, with a bullet list of questions. However, if you're really sticking to 10 posts, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning in helping Town with your 2nd post. Even more of a waste of a post since half of it was wanting to double check a read on a modkilled player. Of course, you had no idea that would happen but I really wish there was more in that 2nd post. The 1st post did mention a possible association read? I think thats what its called. More thoughts to follow on that when I get to DP. Null leaning Town. Damdred - Hey boo, sorry I'm late. FYI, I came into this game needing you to bleed town something unreal. You did way too good of a job in past games playing scum and misdirecting Town. That being said, it looks like your questioning is actually coming from a genuine place. I do want to point out that you've been straightforward with questioning a few people, from Cool to Tr. You're either really trying to figure out this game, or trying very hard to scattershot suspicion everywhere to seem contributive. The pressure on Trfel recently makes me think its the former. Slight Town lean. LS - I lost track of how many times you used the words meta and meta reads in your filter. I understand there isn't much to go off of D1 but I at one point suspected you might not be able to scumread anyone else as scum yourself and decided to rely on someone slipping and doing something they did in a past game as scum so you can jump on that instead. The more I read through you, though, the more you convinced me you were scumhunting. Even though your posts can be a bit erratic and you sometimes backtrack on your own train of thoughts, you also did that in the last Newbie Mini as Town. You also seem pretty fearless in talking and responding to others, something scum would double and triple check before doing for fear of slipping. Slight Town. RSo - Strong Town. I've played with her a bunch and her hitting the track running with questions and early pressure for Trfel's Geript vote fits perfectly with her Town meta. She very much so hit me the same way in Mini when I questioned if she was bluehunting. Also she is very transparent with her questions and suspicions and makes it clear she was questioning Trfels motives for the vote, not immediately scumming him. In my experience, Town is more careful about who to scumread and lynch in the fear of killing a blue. JJB - That entrance is bad and you should feel bad. Lol jk but seriously, D1 lynch is most important in my opinion. You learn much more about who posted/voted during the day with a D1 lynch, as well as running a chance of an awesome D1 scum lynch. Otherwise, we have to hope for a Doc save, assuming we even have one, or we start D2 with minimal info and a NK that could be detrimental to Town winning. This brings me to my next point. Although at face value, the fact that you responded to why you thought the No lynch was a good idea seemed believable to me, it struck me as odd that you thought you didn't see a Cop/Doctor setup(setup A) and that sent you on a full Google search for Mafia strats and that's how you came up with the NL. Mate, couldn't you just check the OP and see at least one setup did in fact have a cop + doc? And in an open setup game, how sure can you be that any of the 3 setups is the one we're playing? The only way you'd know that is as scum. Was that a slip? The rest of your posts are responses and defenses to questions about your opening, and summaries. I could maybe be convinced to lynch but the fact that you are asking questions of Damdred as well as responding thinks you might deserve a Lil BoD for D1, at least. Suspicious, not really seeing Town, could lynch. Trfel - | ||
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I also wasn't lurking, Dammy, wanted to address that. You personally know I no longer have internet at work and have to play from my tablet, being my Coach in the last Newbie Mini. Friday nights are painfully busy at work(I'm a doorman) so I honestly haven't come to this thread at all since I confirmed. Weekends are horrible for me and for that I apologize. Working on rectifying this with the second half of my post now. | ||
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Trfel - I don't know what to think of you from post to post. The early vote on Geript had me uneasy for the same reason I suspected ExO in my last game. Maybe it is a personal preference but early votes on Day 1 just dont feel right to me. You had nothing to go off of except a statement made pre-game. Had you just left it up until this point, I'd be even more skeptical but you unvoted. Because you finally started discussion or to try and get out of the spotlight? Regardless, I like the dialogue it has generated, as a lot of people commented on it, and as I read on, I feel I answered my own question, as you seem to have no problem staying in the spotlight, even after backing off Geript. I'm not convinced you're Town but you're talking and not shying away from questions. Not a good D1 lynch but null because nothing in particular about you is jumping out at me as town. GB - Another null, but leaning scum. I don't know you and my first impression was this guy is drinking beer and on TL. Only a diehard townie would do such a thing. However, reading your filter showed me how wrong I might be. Numerous one liners, unexplained reads, going from questioning Trfels opening as his prior coach of his to "definitely Town." You keep going at the lurkers and although I do agree lurking and inactivity is suspicious, I also believe that if scum is actively posting, it would be low hanging fruit for them to push a quiet or inactive Townie. There is nothing clearly indicating to me whether you are scumhunting or mislynching. One of the only things I found myself agreeing with you on was LS's BS meter question being pointless and getting him nowhere. However, in past town games of his I dove and the last Newbie, he doesn't fear saying and asking what is on his mind, even something as trivial as that. If anything, it rings more towny to me that he is literally spewing out whatever on his mind as soon as it enters his mind, as a town coach told me to do this once upon a time. You apparently have played with LS before(correct me if I'm wrong) so I expected you would see this before I did. Unless you don't want to see it? Also, the parallels drawn between you and Trfel's entrances by others don't sit well with me. I don't want to immediately sheep WW's reads on you 2 because I haven't fully looked into him yet but as of right now, without more meat from you(your last post that I'm aware of was asking DP for his reads, but you've only explained reads on LS and WW and a one liner about "Town" Damdred being inquisitive, please explain the rest of yours), I could be convinced to lynch you. You seem more interested in other people's reads now than explaining your own. You flipping scum would also make me lean that much more towards Trfel being scum. Breshke and LM need a bigger thread presence. Leaving work in 2 minutes but when I get home, I'll be able to see what was posted and respond if I have to. I haven't refreshed since I posted so I know where to pickup from. | ||
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I'm also not really sure why my argument against the setup is weird. When I read JJ's post, I checked the OP to see if there was a Doc/Cop setup. It took me a few seconds. I found it weird that JJB went on a Google search with this info instead of checking himself. What would stop him from checking all the possible setups when mentioning the setup being the reason he couldn't think of a plan? Only thing I could come up with is him possibly knowing the setup and not being interested in the alternatives. I won't put much weight on anything concerning setups after my balance theory regarding Doc and Vet(which was right btw) wasn't listened to but I still definitely felt it worth mentioning. Putting any thought out there is better than staying quiet any longer. | ||
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I read over your case on him and I do agree with one thing. He doesn't have genuine reads. He sheeped off of RSo last game and apparently looked to do so this game by asking for her early in the thread. I mentioned in the newbie game he did that same sheeping in the last Student Mafia with batsnacks. I was convinced he was scum last game, as he was in the last Student Mafia, but he flipped VT. It leaves me 50/50 on what he'll flip this time. I don't think he's my top lynch candidate yet, but I think I can be convinced depending on his defense. | ||
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Unlynchable - Geript - He's broken his 10 post limit, he really is helping Town and some of his questioning follows some of my trains of thoughts. I don't like lurkers and someone else who doesn't and is willing to pressure them seems Townie to me. The fact that I'm perceived as a lurker for coming in late is just something I'll have to swallow. DP- A good filter. You're analyzing and picking apart everyone's posts and suspicions on everything with no discrimination, which shows me you're trying to piece this game together and not sparing any feelings. You're also directly pushing people into the spotlight with questions and promoting conversation. Town can't afford to lose that. Who I want to lynch: LoneMeow - Lurker lynch/policy lynch. It's unfortunate but there always seems to be one or more scum members in every game that lurk or straight up AFK. In my 1 game of experience here(I KNOW, RIGHT?! So experience), 1 of the scum team members ended up being replaced for AFK so I know it isn't impossible. The few posts I saw were decent questions but nothing really stood out. GB - Refer to my read leaning scum on GB. GB has posted nothing since and I'd lynch for a lack of response to explanations for the driveby reads with only a few short explanations. It seem haphazardly thrown together, not thought out at all. Everyone else I've either gave reads on, am just now starting to feel out in the thread(Breshke) or want to see more from before I make a strong decision. This is all still a learning experience for me and I'd like to finally be right on a scum flip, for once. | ||
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DP - I find that Townies, especially paranoid townies, will second guess and double check and triple check everything someone is saying and doing. Our goal is to actively find scum and you don't do that without really thinking out your questions and responses. Scum does have to think out their posts, too, but I have also seen scum hastily post up a few thoughts just to increase their presence in the thread before fading back into the shadows. | ||
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You haven't so much as acknowledged me since except to say if you can't lynch Damdred, you want to push the lurkers in Breshke or myself. Why am I not seeing any pressure to do so? You voted Breshke but didnt respond to who addressed you directly. Instead, you made a weak case IMO against Damdred who has repeatedly said he is meh and burnt out. I'm not sure how much credit I want to give Damdred for those excuses but he did mention to me when he coached me last game that he was burning out. He also mentioned it when he convinced me to sign up for this game. I'm not fully buying it yet but in a scenario where you are scum and he is town, it seems like easy pickings to pick on a Town you've played with before, use meta as reasoning for him flip flopping on lynching you and take advantage of him not being as invested in the game as he could be. | ||
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I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play. | ||
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On January 19 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote: I'm also burning out. And what question are you talking about? I may have not seen it. If you think I'm not pressuring damdred enough, I don't know what to say. My filter is painfully small, this shouldn't have been hard to find. Not reading thread? On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote: GB - Another null, but leaning scum. I don't know you and my first impression was this guy is drinking beer and on TL. Only a diehard townie would do such a thing. However, reading your filter showed me how wrong I might be. Numerous one liners, unexplained reads, going from questioning Trfels opening as his prior coach of his to "definitely Town." You keep going at the lurkers and although I do agree lurking and inactivity is suspicious, I also believe that if scum is actively posting, it would be low hanging fruit for them to push a quiet or inactive Townie. There is nothing clearly indicating to me whether you are scumhunting or mislynching. One of the only things I found myself agreeing with you on was LS's BS meter question being pointless and getting him nowhere. However, in past town games of his I dove and the last Newbie, he doesn't fear saying and asking what is on his mind, even something as trivial as that. If anything, it rings more towny to me that he is literally spewing out whatever on his mind as soon as it enters his mind, as a town coach told me to do this once upon a time. You apparently have played with LS before(correct me if I'm wrong) so I expected you would see this before I did. Unless you don't want to see it? . Also, where did I say you weren't pressuring him enough? I just said the case was weak, not the pressure. You've been pushing your case hard even after it was picked apart but it doesn't make it any stronger. It also does strike me as odd that you basically abandoned your Geript scumread with no explanation. Even now as RSo pokes at him, I'm not seeing you run with it. | ||
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A bunch of responses to DP and none to me. A bunch of rage and then a give up GG post and a vote on...JJB? Not Damdred, who you cased. Not LM although you said you were going at lurkers. I'm going with my gut here. | ||
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My vote was and always has been between GB and LM. Why are you misrepresenting a statement that I said directly to you? On January 19 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote: Damdred - I don't really like your last few posts either. GB brought a weak case against you and tried to push you and although you defended yourself, you went the extra step to say he is probably Town for this? You yourself said scum likes to paint townies as townies for free cred. You're also not sure who you want to lynch and haven't voted. I haven't, either, but I've already said I wanted to vote GB or LM. Are you just going to try to jump on the safest wagon? I wanna give you benefit of the doubt but I'm not sure I can. I'll be even more suspicious of you if GB gets flipped Town today after you town him, with more than a few players scumreading him or questioning his play. The fact that you quickly Towned him after saying you might be able to lynch him was off. I told you why I thought it was off. Scum are the only ones who know alignments. But seriously, pretending I said I was in between you and LM when I never did? All I did was cast suspicion on you, which I only have more of now, because I was looking for a 3rd scum member. Do I have to point out the fact that you were townreading me up until I questioned you giving GB a pass for unexplained reads and a weak meta case against you? If he flips scum, I wouldn't be surprised if you did, too, and vice versa. Regardless, though, you didn't scum me until I started questioning you. Even went so far as to lie. I don't like it. JJ and GB parroting your thoughts on this make it worse, since 3 is an important number here. Are you telling me all 3 of you couldn't bother to check my 1 page filter and see that I was in between LM and GB, not LM and Damdred? It doesn't seem to be asking a lot. | ||
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QUOTE]On January 19 2015 06:27 The Shining wrote: On January 19 2015 06:11 GlowingBear wrote: I'm also burning out. And what question are you talking about? I may have not seen it. If you think I'm not pressuring damdred enough, I don't know what to say. My filter is painfully small, this shouldn't have been hard to find. Not reading thread? On January 18 2015 13:01 The Shining wrote: GB - Another null, but leaning scum. I don't know you and my first impression was this guy is drinking beer and on TL. Only a diehard townie would do such a thing. However, reading your filter showed me how wrong I might be. Numerous one liners, unexplained reads, going from questioning Trfels opening as his prior coach of his to "definitely Town." You keep going at the lurkers and although I do agree lurking and inactivity is suspicious, I also believe that if scum is actively posting, it would be low hanging fruit for them to push a quiet or inactive Townie. There is nothing clearly indicating to me whether you are scumhunting or mislynching. One of the only things I found myself agreeing with you on was LS's BS meter question being pointless and getting him nowhere. However, in past town games of his I dove and the last Newbie, he doesn't fear saying and asking what is on his mind, even something as trivial as that. If anything, it rings more towny to me that he is literally spewing out whatever on his mind as soon as it enters his mind, as a town coach told me to do this once upon a time. You apparently have played with LS before(correct me if I'm wrong) so I expected you would see this before I did. Unless you don't want to see it? . Also, where did I say you weren't pressuring him enough? I just said the case was weak, not the pressure. You've been pushing your case hard even after it was picked apart but it doesn't make it any stronger. It also does strike me as odd that you basically abandoned your Geript scumread with no explanation. Even now as RSo pokes at him, I'm not seeing you run with it. [/QUOTE] You also didn't address the fact that you were ready to sheep Damdred's misinformed interpretation of who my vote was between. I definitely do not like the banding together you guys are doing. It is almost as troubling as how blatantly you're avoiding me. Except for this: On January 19 2015 06:43 GlowingBear wrote: There are your scums showing their faces. Lynch TheShining. Period. For scumming you? For voting you? You've done nothing to convince me you are town and even less in the way of responding to any thing I say to you. You felt more scummy to me than WW, which is why my vote stayed. This feels more OMGUS than anything. | ||
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Its a bit moot now when there has been so much content since then but the question very simply was why you felt it necessary to dedicate an entire post to saying LS asking what's a BS meter was pointless when of all people, it is LS. Had you just answered, this would be done but your unwillingness to interact with me is just unsettling to me. The longer you went without responding to me or even acknowledging me, the more confusing it was. And again. The misrepresentation. Verbage is key when you're trying to pressure someone and you are using misinformed terms. I did not CHANGE my vote. My first and only vote was for you. I did try to push my scummiest scumread. It was you. I said that last night when I was asked who I would and wouldnt lynch. My very first read on you was one of the only ones leaning scum and I'll say again, you've shown me nothing that would definitively have me change my read on you. I voted you when I "didnt have to" because I was confident you would flip scum. Isn't that the goal of lynching? Everything you've done recently, from your Damdred push to falling back, to dropping the Geript pressure, to just throwing out a bunch of names that you want to see lynched(more than 3 names makes me think you don't care who dies), I can see coming from an unsure Town as well as a cornered scum with some experience. None of it yells town at me. For those of you that are strong towning GB, maybe you can help me see why? Damdred? LS? | ||
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Oh and that menacing post. Unfortunately you lived? That sounds pretty threatening and defensive for a Townie. If you're town, I'm glad you lived. If you're scum, I'm pissed we missed a shot at a D1 scumlynch. | ||
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I'm looking at the unvote and the context for the timing at EoD for when it happened. I'm not particularly sure where the scum motive would be in putting yourself up for Lynch unless you knew ahead of time someone would come to your rescue. It is a hugely risky move but one I wouldn't put past Damdred if both of you were scum. That being said, I don't know enough about GB to be certain that scum GB would be bold enough to pull that off. Eh. I probably won't post again until I get home from work. I need some time to really analyze the votes and a couple of other posts in the thread and I cant at work. Not convinced GB is town but I'm finally starting to let the idea marinate, I guess. | ||
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I was and still kind of am weary of stamping Trfel as town because of his interactions early with RSo, as well as Damdred scumming him. I believe you have, as well. I haven't gotten to look at Trfel as much as I'd like to yet but some of their thoughts regarding him echoed mine. I'll sheep Geript here in that his filter has posts that could come from town and posts that could come from scum. And hm. I believe someone told Trfel earlier "Your opening is supposed to be controversial to start discussion, not have you scumread." It seems you were successful in both yourself. I do know that scum like to misdirect conversation into dead-ends, not promote more so I can understand the logic behind it. Honestly, your EoD/Night posts seem more thought out and scumhunting than scattershot, the way I felt the one liners were. Damdred not being willing to save himself and lynch you is a good point. Normally, it would be enough to fully Town him but the claiming to be burnt out, lazy, meh, etc., makes me think(its a stretch, I know) that he might not want to be scum in back to back games. He does really seem burnt out. This isn't even close enough for me to want to lynch him, though, especially since the more him being lazy and burnt out gets mentioned, the more I noticed he gets into scumhunting. It is a problem that he has to be inspired to scumhunt, but it looks genuine enough. And I'm still kinda not over either of you misrepresenting or missing my posts/thoughts but I could see how it happened. I'm not used to games this big(last Newbie was my biggest), I can see how posts can get lost or skimmed over. Without any proof of it being intentional(you answered me now), I'll just let it go. Yeah, I get the small filter thing every time. It happened last game, too, I think I explained why before but I will again. I have D1. As time passes and posts and votes go up, it becomes a lot easier for me to analyze who is doing what, as well as whose play has changed after the first lynch and NK. Then my posts start to pick up in content and quantity. D1 I'm notorious for lynching Town so I try to ease back, follow my gut and hit it hard once I have info to go off of. It seems I almost did so with you, as well, if I'm to believe you are town. Your last page or so in your filter, plus the size of it, really has me thinking I almost made that mistake again. Tldr: Senpai finally noticed me. | ||
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The last minute vote and timing of LM and subsequent disappearance makes it possible this was a mafia lynchtrain as well. Again, need to look more into LM once I get home. One of these 2 is scum, just not sure which. And I agree that JJ living through tonight doesnt automatically mean he is scum. Also, LS, that seemed like a horrible play if you're really Town. Whether Damdred was bread crumbing, hinting at it or it really was just a typo, the fact of the matter is it wasn't obvious until you yelled "HEY DID YOU JUST CLAIM DOCTOR?!" so now the entire thread, including scum, saw it. I really don't like the feeling I just got from you doing that. | ||
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DP - Yeah, I entertained the idea of Damdred and GB scumming together. It feels too unlikely. There would have to be a lot to go perfectly right for them at EoD for both of them to be on wagons and run the risk of one of them dying. Not impossible, just too statistically unlikely D1. I'll expand on this post at home. | ||
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On January 19 2015 12:45 DarthPunk wrote: Both GB and Damdred look towny and productive after the lynch as does shining out of nowhere. The problem is that I find it impossible to believe that on day one we had a town/town/town/town wagon. Gonna have a read of rsultin overnight. Will give you some sort of last will and testament for after I get shot tonight. Before night ends, could you tell me what you think about my initial post on LM and JJB's claim? Its bare, as I plan on elaborating when I'm finally told and comfortable, but you said you find it impossible that all wagons were town. So which do you feel weren't, if any? | ||
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LS Cop claim seems pretty honest. I don't see scum coming out with a blue claim at the very beginning of D2 with a red check. ##Vote:Trfel Damdred's case on LM - it's not 100% convincing but more than enough to make me look into LM, which is something I've been meaning to do. I do see the seeming disinterest in the game which is not something I expect from Town, who should be actively trying to figure out this game. I also didn't like the switch from JJB to WW. I'm not going to quote what was already quoted but LM's posts are bare, don't really contribute to conversation and don't seem consistent. I know reads evolve as the game progresses but without any explanation, I'm not sure how you get away with a one-liner to lynch WW with misinformation, since WW voted GB before Trfel did. It looks bad that that is his last post in his filter. AFK a vote on Town at EoD and not be heard from since seems scummy. I originally had Geript as a strong, even unlynchable townread. I'm going to rescind that for the last minute pull back from GB to WW. I need a little more time to see if Geript's post about RSo holds any weight but like I mentioned I'm a little swamped today. He isn't backing down from RSo(whose questioning I'm convinced can come from either scum or town since I know her) and although it isn't alignment indicative, it gives us more to analyze. I would think scum would eventually backtrack in fear of getting caught saying something that could be used against them. Also, no one has really looked at the interactions between Geript and RSo besides DP from what I've read, which makes me think there is a small chance they are both actually Town. Scum sit back, let them pressure eachother, and once it's gone deep enough, pressure one or the other into a mislynch. | ||
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RSo, this is my 2nd TL game with you. I'm realizing it is a little different and lot more difficult than it is where we met. So I do believe I could correctly scumread you if I had to. Right now, I have to ask myself if I could see you bussing Trfel on D1 with all that early pressure, as well as maintaining a sizeable filter afterward that looks like active scumhunting and questioning. You keep trying to figure out the game while looking at things from both sides, particularly this post.(quote in spoiler) + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2015 06:58 rsoultin wrote: -snorts- seriously? you can't narrow it down more than the obvious ones? after going through everyone's filters? this is pretty disappointing. Okay, well... Trfel, LM for the reasons I described earlier...then look into DP/Breshke unless it turns out JJB false-claimed, in which case: Trfel, JJB...then look into Geript/LM/Breshke At least, that's what I would do. Everyone else I'm more or less townreading, and geript should be townread unless one of those wagons were scum. Then he's on the table again. This came before the EoN post. If she were scum, this would be the hardest bus since D1 ever. She can't know LS was going to come up with a red check on him. Geript, read into you as well. I went from unlynchable to a tad suspicious for the wagon on WW but, like it was mentioned before, I'm not sure I see a scum motive for moving a town wagon onto another town. I think you might be putting more weight into your faith into DP due to past experience and his play than you should be but I feel that may actually be a Townie trait. I somewhat feel the same about Damdred right now. I know his playstyle and this is one of the stronger townreads I've gotten on him. Also, RSo's last post said it'd look into JJB's reasoning for your wagon switch being scum driven. I looked at your EoD posts and it doesn't feel that way to me. Geript didn't pull the wagon from GB to WW half-heartedly or waiting for JJB's to take over. He posted 9 times trying very hard to get WW lynched after casing him, he didn't just afk it. Like I mentioned before, this reminds me exactly of how WW was tunneled last game. Tube did it and ended up flipping VT. I'm not sure where in this scenario Geript would've managed to get JJB lynched when he was actively trying to put all votes on WW. Tldr: Looked into both of you like I wanted to and I think I'm right in thinking scum would be content pushing a mislynch on either of you. | ||
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LM - you asked if I looked into your filter and I did. I kept looking it over a few times, was about the size of mine and bare. I'm glad you're around now, even though I probably don't have a right to judge. You said Breshke isn't open to other options when it comes to you but I'm not sure what that is. You gave a torn read on Trfel that wanted to lean towards town, which was also a part of a post that was just a bunch of town reads. You also voted WW for voting with Trfel, when WW scummed GB early and voted before Trfel. You mention avoidance of reads but you only cased Breshke. If you had to lynch someone that wasn't Breshke today, who would it be and why? Me right now: Town: Me JJB - unCC Tracker RSo Geript DP Up in the air on: Damdred, Breshke Scum: LM This is all on LM's flip but if Damdred were scum, I don't see what he has to lose either way. He either busses his scum buddy early for town cred or on the super slim chance LM flips town, which I think still has a 1% possibility because no one is defending him, he gets us into an easy mislynch. Maybe it's just knowing his past scum games but I wouldn't put it past him, which is why I'm rethinking my read. It's not enough to scum him but enough to shake a strong town read in him. Breshke echoes a few points that I agree with against LM, including his lack of trying to solve the game. However, I think I might be suffering the same paranoia here. Breshke's filter isn't anything too special other than the case on LM, and he did pick it up when Trfel was caught but I'm not sure that's alignment indicative. Scum losing a member might motivate the other members to pick it up, too. | ||
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On January 24 2015 03:00 LoneMeow wrote: Damdred or you. I like geript a bit more town now, and I'm not quite ready to lynch DarthPunk yet despite getting more paranoid about him. Well, at least I got the who. Low hanging fruit in me, basically inactive town. ##Vote:LoneMeow I might be willing to pull off of you if you can explain what makes us more suspicious than anyone else but I've been weary of you for a while and your appearances now make it worse. Still feels like you are just looking for an easy place to drop your vote. You have no real case aside from Breshke once he scummed you(OMGUS?) and the 3 people you've scummed or been suspicious of are Bresh, Damdred, myself, all of whom have earlier posts directly questioning you and commenting on your filter. The inconsistencies pointed out in some of your posts seem hastily thrown together, not a genuine effort to look into anyone. Had planned on posting more including responding to Bresh asking me to explain my DP town read(which is weakest of the 3, hence why its bottom) but Friday nights at work are hectic, been working on this post on my tablet for about an hour. Going to look through DP's filter for the specific posts that made me lean town on him. But I'm here, should be in and out for the next 2-3 hours if anyone wants to bounce anything off of me. | ||
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On January 24 2015 09:46 geript wrote: I keep on forgetting about Shining. Also, this. This has to be the 2nd or 3rd time you've alluded to forgetting about me. I find that almost as offensive as GB ignoring me. Lol. But I had to ask about this...why keep mentioning me and how forgettable I am? If you're going to do it more than once, it feels like you're not forgetting me, since you're mentioning me after all. It almost feels like you're soft pushing me without soft pushing me and waiting for someone else to take up the gauntlet and run with it, so you don't get blamed for another mislynch(first being WW). Its the first red flag in my mind that I'm seeing coming from you but you being scum would feel like HTS in the newbie game all over to me. And you provided a counter wagon against LMs wagon in Damdred. Since I am assuming I'm right in my scumread on LM, I have to wonder why you're trying to save scum. Also how much sense does it make if you 2 were teammates? Going to have to review the Damdred case since I don't trust him either but I don't know if this is him being scum or just lazy. 3rd option that I have to also wonder because I like throwing everything out there. The LM lynch has a good amount of support. Are you 2 bussing eachother? | ||
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DP - Simple answer? Because I'm town and only scum would want to lynch town. More than that? I'm limited in my playing and posting time and I've come in here trying my hardest to respond to what I can as well as defend myself as well as give what reads I can pick up on. Anything more you want than that, go look at my filter and decide why you shouldn't lynch me. I'm not going to read myself for you. Like I mentioned with LM, I'm the low hanging fruit for a mislynch and I refuse to be that for scum on D3. Also, I believe the post I posted before that one you quoted explained why I believe LM is scum. As well as 1 or 2 more in my filter before it. I trust my gut feelings and when I can support them with the thread, I follow my gut. In the last Newbie, I was VT and at one point had 2/3 scum pegged in Celestial and Scott. If I have to trust someone right now, it is myself. And you're basically asking me to repeat what I've said about LM yet again. Go through my filter, it shouldn't be too hard to see why I think LM is scum. It has been there for a while. For someone who made a big fuss about Damdred reading your filter, you don't seem to have really read mine. Hm. If LM isn't scum? Damdred and either Bresh or Geript. Damdred I made points on earlier when I voted LM. I even specifically said Damdred pushing LM was possibly scummy vs townie, since he probably felt he was just echoing thread sentiment in the LM push. I also said it might be paranoia and that Breshke could be equally culpable, since his play picked up the moment Trfel died. One scum down, maybe his teammate pressured him into putting some effort in. Again, all paranoia because I'm pretty sure LM will flip scum but since you asked, it was pretty much already there in my filter, too. =l | ||
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On January 24 2015 11:25 Damdred wrote: Shining how was I echoing thread sentiment when I brought up original points at the time against him? You had some original points against him at the time of you casing him, yes, but I guess I expressed that thought wrong. What I meant was you planted the LM case and let it sit N2 and then came out the gate pushing it after Bresh appeared with his LM case. Also, I had already questioned LMs activity at this point, too. The support for the LM lynch picked up overnight you could've seen that as an opportunity to push the mislynch. Again, this is all on LM flipping Town, which I don't see happening. Tin foil hats. I'm actually more suspicious of Geript pushing a counterlynch on you instead. Repeating myself here but unless he really is convinced LM isn't scum, I don't see the sense in replacing him with you as the lynch. Unless this is trying to save a scum mate late in the game? Too much tinfoil cuz LM hasn't flipped yet but still worth mentioning for once he does flip scum. | ||
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Also, I'm not really scumreading him. I mentioned that this was personally the first red flag he raised for me, and it's based purely off of LM's flip. It is enough to rescind my "he's town, let me look elsewhere" POV on him and watch him at EoD. I like going at the lurkers to pressure them because in the case of lurking, you might get them back into the thread to analyze but It does kind of seem odd to abandon a lurker in LM and go at Damdred after wanting to lynch lurkers. DP - No. Damdred doesn't have a higher chance of being Town than Geript, due to what I've mentioned about tinfoil theory, as well as the fact that he's pretty disinterested here. He has a lot of posts but I've learned filter size isn't alignment indicative more than anything else. I also haven't ruled out him bussing LM for the inactivity to earn town credit, whereas the only thing I have on Geript is he might be saving scum. Not enough for me to lynch on. Leaving work now, back in a few hours. | ||
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On January 24 2015 12:34 geript wrote: No you're literally quite forgettable this game. That's a warning sign but I'm not sure what even makes you think I'm pushing you based on that. Yep. I'm totally busing LM by pushing Damdred. You caught me there. I think you misunderstood. I meant are you and Damdred bussing eachother and hiding it under the support LM's push has gained. Also, 3rd option was said to imply that its only possible if the first 2 points are wrong. I like looking at everything from all sides. It gives me a solid train of thinking to follow once I receive new info. I'm sorry that I'm putting it out there in the thread for others to weigh in on. And I just said it feels like a soft push without the push. Let someone else read it, look into me and why I'm so forgettable and push your mislynch for you if you're scum. Nothing other than the fact you've brought me being forgettable up before hints to this but if it crossed my mind, I'm putting it out there. | ||
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On January 24 2015 13:44 geript wrote: Excuse me. Yes, Damdred and I are bussing each other at Lylo +1. You found us out. You sneaky townsperson you. When there is no real threat to either of you if you're scum with LM already at 5 votes? It doesn't seem impossible to me but whatever. Condescending attitude and a sarcastic response. Would you rather I keep my thoughts to myself? Because that doesn't help town at all. And you get rather touchy when anybody so much as mentions your name in a post. DP - Because we don't have unlimited mislynches to play with, far from it. I've done my best trying to read them both and your question was which one seems scummier than the other, not which one I think is scum. I've made clear my only solid scumread is LM, then I toss up between Breshke and Damdred. Geript wasn't even on that list. Geript's response to me brainstorming and not pushing him, just implying what I'll learn from an LM flip seems overly sarcastic and dismissive. That's why he's on that list now, too. I'm still on the fence about Damdred so yes, from where I'm sitting and what I'm seeing, I'm concerned over Townier but not confirmed Town Geript pushing Scummier but not confirmed Scum Damdred over Scummiest LoneMeow. | ||
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I have nothing else to think of you except for the "If I'm wrong on everything, what's another possibility here?" theory and I came up with that. Maybe this is a mistake on my part but I was taught to always say what's on your mind, be transparent in your thoughts. | ||
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"LM, Breshke - My townread on DarthPunk is not strong. It is a lean. As someone put it earlier, his early filter was Trfel centric which was a red question mark for me but everything since then has seemed pretty Townie. He wanted to lynch LS and did his own past game diving to evolve his read into a town read, which I agreed with because LS felt to me how he felt in the newbie game. There is also a ton of direct questioning from DP, as well as what seems like genuine effort to solve the game. I do see it possible for scum to question and "solve" the game, too, but going head to head with my pretty strong townread in RSo seems like suicide IMO." After today, I have to look into what Damdred said about DP not being the type to associate himself so closely by defending scum LM. LM flipped Town so did DP trust his town read or was it vying to buy town credit? I got busy as hell at work as I was typing what is in the quotations and couldn't finish anything or get back on until now. Now I'm logged into what feels like a shiteshow. I was wrong on LM and I swore he was scum. I'm actually really upset about this because his EoD reminded me of me when I had to defend myself last game out of a mislynch. It would've given me enough pause to think about moving wagons, honestly. Breshke not being here is about as damning as me not being here EoD, yes, but the phone excuse he brought up seems to be really weak. Also, current discussion on Breshke. In his filter, he blatantly started he had DP as townread D1 and had to rethink it. Null on DP for a while, asks someone for their thoughts on DP. Throws this out there. On January 23 2015 16:03 Breshke wrote: RSo do you disagree with DP's read on the shining? I think it is fairly similar to what we were discussing before when i said his filter is hard to read. I just don't seem to interpret as being as scummy as DP is. Implies DP is scummy now. Afterward, he questions DP's townread on LM. On January 24 2015 10:09 Breshke wrote: A team of DP + 1 that isnt LM is making me really paranoid. I don't understand DP's play. People have been saying him and LM could be a team even geript who had been townreading him. He then continues to defend LM seemingly without really thinking about it or analyzing it. As town i would think he would be more careful and actually look into it properly as people already think they are a team and think LM is probable scum, even geript. I get this weird sense that he wants that he wants to look like he is aligned with LM because none really seems to be considering him a possible scum outside of that team. By that logic, you're implying DP is scum and wants to align himself with LM because he knows LM will flip town and you also imply Town thinks the only way we scum DP is if LM is scum with him since he defended him so this would exonerate DP. If you believe your own logic, why did you still case and push LM so hard? | ||
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Breshke, OK well your paranoid world has come to life. LM was town. And now that your paranoid world has come to fruition, you drop DP. You ask him to agree on a no lynch after posting this: On January 25 2015 17:33 Breshke wrote: RSo did yout ake another look at my filter do you still think im town? Also how sure are you on your the shining read are you sure you arnt jsut giving him a pass for being a newbie? All that shit I said about DP seemingly defending LM from nothing i still think is true but he might just have seen something i didn't. Also he seemed genuinely happy when people started changing their votes to me so i have me hesitations. Once your mislynch went through, instead of following up your suspicion, you give soft BS reasoning for letting DP go. "Seemed genuinely happy"? He's a vet, I'm sure he can pretend to be happy in a text post. "Saw something you didn't"? Then go filter dive and look for what he saw, or ask him, or bring it up. You dropped this way too fast considering you bothered to mention it in a prior post. Looks to me like you're afraid of DP defending himself and proving you're scum and are trying to buy yourself another NK with the no lynch instead. Or worse, you're back tracking off of a scum partner that you never intended to push, anyway. | ||
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My reads haven't changed all that much. I'm almost as sure about you as I was about LM, which is why I'm listening to these other scum team theories. I was wrong once this game and could be wrong again, although I don't think I am. I was always going to suspect Damdred if LM flipped Town, I even mentioned that in my filter, but I don't see it possible for the two of you to be teammates. So either I'm wrong on you or wrong on him. The only other slight question mark I have is DP, because of the LM townread and you letting him go so easily. I actually haven't looked into interactions between you two yet but now I want to. I'll have to come back for that. RSo, there are 6 of us left. What I was getting at is if Breshke somehow does convince us all to no lynch, we still have 6. After Night 4, it'd be 5 with 2 scum. His reasoning looks good on the outside(get rid of a question mark) but it also allows another NK to get rid of our strongest Townie who could figure it all out. Also, why so snappy with me? I did read. Anything DP-related after that is "idk still paranoid as shit about DP." And that is it. this is a very important lynch for Town. I'm paranoid of basically all of you after my last Mylo experience. I just felt like Bresh set himself up to pursue that train of thought, not chalk it up to paranoia. If anything, Mylo is the best day for theories like that. At the risk of sounding conceited, Damdred and I would've played a much better game without towning each other and association if we both rolled scum together. He also was ready to lynch me as scum at one point over a misunderstood post alone. I doubt scum would do that to another scum without making sure it wasn't a misunderstandng beforehand. That's not to say I don't think he's scum because I've been on the fence about him basically all game. You are one of my strongest townreads but I'd like to see his case on you first, in case there really is something there I'm not seeing. | ||
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RSo yeah I meant to loosely comment on that DP interaction, actually. Filter size isn't neccesarily alignment indicative and yet its been brought up that your filter size is questionable if you were a newbie scum player. It does seem like a hell of a lot but HTS was one of our biggest filters last game, flipped scum. I can't rule it out on filter size alone, especially since some of your filter is those interactions with Geript and DP that seemed to hit dead ends. I kind of agree with JJB, honestly. It was a good thing to catch, Damdred swapped off pretty fast, but you ran with that one as far as you could go. For me, its a question of why is Damdred under scrutiny for swapping off of one Town wagon to another, sort of similar to how Geript did D1. And you gave Geript a pass. It makes sense at first glance but in the full game context, its not as consistent as I've seen you be. | ||
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I actually like that question, Damdred. Breshke 100% town read RSo and gets at Damdred for being sure, without any doubts, of Geript and DP being town. Hypocrisy. Damn, I really have to rethink my read on RSo now. This buddy buddy system is a lot weirder from you 2 than it is from Geript and DP, vets with a few games together. Its unsettling. | ||
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##Vote: Breshke I'm still trusting my read on him. Unless I see something in the last few pages that scream town on me, I'm convinced I'm right on him. Geript, what did you see that made you switch to scum on Breshke? Maybe I haven't seen it yet but it might help me see things clearer. Anyone want to talk about anything? Should be able to answer once I catch up to current pages. | ||
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Omg so much hate coming my way =l | ||
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Ugh Damdred I love you bro | ||
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