Imperial Mafia

On December 30 2014 03:46 marvellosity wrote:

o hai

On December 30 2014 04:25 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdy, you'll probably be as good as me as a coach. But you can't deny that there are better suited players here to coach the newbies (Artanis; marv, JAT). You still very good bby

Rsoultin, I'm completely okay. Go TEAMbear!!

On December 31 2014 14:22 Damdred wrote:
Why do you care so much that they aren't here when you could be interacting more with myself and Eden who are obviously here

On December 31 2014 14:27 Damdred wrote:


cause of mine and geripts history where he takes mee a bit to serious at points. Like he told me to post seals one time and I did and he went a bit nuts was a bit funny. I think he was scum that game but I think he would do the same as town.

On December 31 2014 14:54 sicklucker wrote:
Mspaint. and No.

So like a scum dandred wont make a midnight opening joke post about him being mafia. Like who starts a mafia game at midnight. Scum would be more inclined to lurk untill tomorrow.

Im getting a slight town read from it. Dont see how you can get a strong read either way as in to like vote him. Awkward start of the game votes at the first thing they read piss me off.

On December 31 2014 15:20 Eden1892 wrote:

i don't, why do you? i feel like i can just look at a particular situation and decide for myself if someone who was caught lying was town and trying too hard to do something cool or if they're mafia. and i'm putting all my votes on my best mafia read not on any policy.


just peeking at the setup real quick i'm almost positive this isn't going to be an issue, not seeing anything to game


not to be rude but this all seems obvious to the point of fluff... i rather just put all my votes on best mafia read and attempt to discern b/t town lurkers and mafia lurkers as the game goes along instead of making activity a point of interest. i don't worry about them until i get a vote record unless i'm really stumped


verdict: Doc's post seems stiff and awkwardly timed, and I feel like most of the policy discussion that might ensue from this won't really get anywhere, but it beats chasing people up trees for opening game banter. I guess I like Doc as town for now

On December 31 2014 15:27 geript wrote:
I'm more concerned about how you find a post that is "stiff and awkwardly timed," two traits that are more often considered mafia tells, towny? Can you explain that more fully? It's also pretty weird that you reasonably correctly point out that his post is going nowhere while simultaneously responding to it.

On December 31 2014 15:35 Eden1892 wrote:

just checking, it seemed like a joke but i didn't want to supply that answer in case it weren't~


sure, i'm not sure what you meant by "shut down this line" in the previous part of the post btw so if you want a reply to that please clarify for my addled brain

as for why i read it townie, like i said, it seemed like an effort to get discussion somewhere besides early-game banter, which imo wasn't going anywhere. i followed up on the post because even if the object-level discussion ends up being pretty pointless, i can get some possibly useful meta-level reads from it - and hey, maybe it is going somewhere and i miss it, y'know?

On December 31 2014 15:36 ritoky wrote:


What's your policy on lynching people who claim scum?

On December 31 2014 15:55 sicklucker wrote:
Like I thought it was weird that geript is suggesting hes gonna put in the effort to get a meta weird on me so early when I have done nothing scummy. (I made a semi joke/vote to vote) to mock his one. Like this could mean anything just pointing this out for someone whos played with him alot.

On December 31 2014 16:08 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
He just did post his own conclusions on geript lol. Why are you so on peoples nuts this early, you're treating everythinf like you're 5 minutes away from posting some earth shattering case

On December 31 2014 16:41 ritoky wrote:
also he immediately wants to discuss lynching lurkers, and anyone who has played with me before knows the statistic i cite so frequently: 86% of the time the first person to start suggesting lynching lurkers is mafia.

On December 31 2014 17:10 Eden1892 wrote:

Ooh, my turn.

Earlier, geript, you had some issues with my posting about Doc's policy discussion instead of about your reads, and had criticized my choice of focus on Doc's policy discussion.

Now that ritoky, sicklurker(?) and I have, through different avenues of discussion, concluded that Doc is suspicious, you chose to reenter the thread to... critique a statistic tied to a minor point against Doc.

Of the recent developments surrounding Doc in the thread right now, why is this your choice of focus? It strikes me as self-evidently going nowhere.

On December 31 2014 17:23 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Thanks buddy

On December 31 2014 17:25 TheChyz wrote:
Also haven't played in a while but I remember geript very well and all of the poking he is doing lines up the same with how I remember him (as in being fairly strong town) so he is also on my town read.

I don't really think I have enough of a read on the others for anything atm

On December 31 2014 17:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Youre both scum. Geript pretends to like me as a cute joke but je HATES the way I play. I can't understand half of what he ever says and if he isn't already tilting at what a stupid jerk ive been then something is very wrong. Maybe he found god. Maybe he realized I am that gosu. But it doesn't fit. Everyone pokes and is always poking. If you're posting right now thats what you've been doing in a sense. I hope you can just quickly clarify if I'm misunderstanding something.

On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.

Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?

On December 31 2014 18:23 Koshi wrote:
Eden didn't look too good early. Something with saying Dr.H. is town after making a big "I don't like this about Dr.H." post and then in his next post Eden is back to Dr.H. is scummy.

I'll look into TheChyz after some coffee and work.

On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote:

I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk.

I was scum that game.

On January 01 2015 00:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

???
Is Marv 100% mafia or not?

Also the fact that you don't want to be friends with me makes me very sad and very angry. The pitchfork and noose kind of angry.

That's pretty much the exact reason I gave though; not following through with new discussion after saying the current one was pointless, so why do you say "people" are attacking him for the wrong reasons?

On January 01 2015 01:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

At the risk of sounding like a broken record,
Why?

On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him.

On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well.

On January 01 2015 03:59 sicklucker wrote:


Like thats possibly 3 towns.. Wheres that meta case on me you promised.

On January 01 2015 05:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching?

On January 01 2015 05:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Geript you asked me about 3 people earlier, one of them was sicklucker then you never really got back to the post after I mentioned he escaped me. Was there anything about him that you found of note? I'm scrolling through his filter and it's not bad.

On January 01 2015 05:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

want me to just post all my town and null reads until then? you have very little to say about the case and now you're just trying to make me shut up.

On January 01 2015 06:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Alright, let's reconstruct this. I believe it started here:

Geript replies 10 minutes later asking if he only played town before, then asks for a link to his previous scumgame which sicklucker declines. Sicklucker then brings it up again later (Geript asks for an opinion from Dr. H in the meantime) after which:

Possibly a joke, but it could definitely be interpreted as serious. If he does interpret it as serious I can see someone like sicklucker chasing the bone. Given his pretty proactive game so far I'm happy to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Is that your only reason for finding him suspect?

On January 01 2015 06:12 sicklucker wrote:
geript scum list is likely 3 towns so thats another reason

On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:
Mr DrH what do you think about this:

First TheChyz posts this:


And he earned town points for it:




Then later he posts this:


And gets more town points:

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Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points?

On January 01 2015 07:00 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Can you explain why he said he was fine with me and thought I was doing good scumhunting when he voted for me and tried to get the thread to turn? Then he says it wasnt serious and omgus votes someone else. If we were both town in a game and i tunneled you relentlessly would you be fine with it and say i was doing a good job?

On January 01 2015 07:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript doesn't seem to be taking the thread very seriously which makes me think he may be town. Reading his meta it looks like he puts on an effort to appear very productive and focused as mafia.

On January 01 2015 07:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So we should ignore newer players? He seemed pretty confident and able to deal with heat in his last game. Plus at the time it was only me, I think only one or two people have agreed to vote with me by this point. It doesn't add up. If you think we should policy ignore newbs or something okay - I don't. I believe in trial by fire, you know that. We'll see what other people have to say about it. How about you offer a better lynch?

On January 01 2015 07:19 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I should have known better than to talk to you at all in this game. Someone else can sort you out

On January 01 2015 07:25 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Who do you wanna lynch geript? Got anything besides doubt and jokes?

On January 01 2015 07:38 Eden1892 wrote:

do you ever intend to expound upon these thoughts as I've asked you to do earlier in the thread?

On January 01 2015 09:06 sicklucker wrote:


Then how come 3 of your posts were. I just want to talk to marv palmer etc. It made the rest of us feel pretty excluded.
Any who happy new years no sober posting past this point

On January 01 2015 06:13 geript wrote:

That and he thinks I'm mafia so I naturally want to kill him. But for the most part yah that's all.

While in the shower I realized why I think Marv's mafia. Town!Marv doesn't fear lynch; he definitely doesn't fear lynch on D1.

On December 31 2014 20:55 marvellosity wrote:
yeah NYE is a terrible time to start in the end.

I am a bit suspicious of geript too, but I don't know if it's because he's actually scummy. His wanting a bunch of ppl to turn up because he's so good at reading them reminds me of Russia Today where he said very similar things about being good town and being able to read certain people. but maybe he can do it as town also, just i haven't seen anything else to make me think he's town this game. tbc.

On January 02 2015 04:33 marvellosity wrote:
lol is your argument that I called you suspicious (without knowing if i thought you were scummy) in order to later push a lynch on you in case you caught me?

is that really it?

On January 01 2015 04:53 Eden1892 wrote:
I mean, he's on track for a >10pg filter by the end of day 1 and the most prominent memories I have of him are obnoxiously pushy questions that don't have a clear endgame and asking the cool kids what to think. Seems like he's said a lot so far in terms of post count but a little in terms of actual value.

On January 02 2015 04:59 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

im a hypocrite and a jerk with questionable reading comprehension

let's go lynch geript

On January 02 2015 05:00 marvellosity wrote:

what the fuck is this read?

On January 02 2015 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why did you omgus a null read again? Your explanation just made it seem like you decided marv was mafia before anything happened i.e. fake read

On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:

people i don't want to lynch for some reason:

1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892

Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:

5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz

Wat r u doing

2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia

Some PoE title:

3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky

I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.

On January 02 2015 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

You.

On January 02 2015 05:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

why not want me dead instead

On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:

people i don't want to lynch for some reason:

1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892

Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:

5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz

Wat r u doing

2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia

Some PoE title:

3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky

I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.

On January 02 2015 05:41 marvellosity wrote:

damdred read is thin, but he's trying enough for me not to wanna go near lynching him today. i can't imagine the world where i decide to lynch Damdred today, which is what that list is essentially saying

On January 02 2015 05:37 marvellosity wrote:

feeling really good about it actually. is attacking me your only way out at this stage?

is jat scum for agreeing with my list in its entirety?

On January 02 2015 05:43 marvellosity wrote:

your first paragraph is terrible especially, because it essentially describes the exact reasons that batsnacks and sicklucker have arrived there

sicklucker isn't memorable and batsnacks isn't doing anything, and you can't see why they've made it to that list?

for realsies?

On January 02 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Well, you haven't been around until recently so that's a reasonable consideration. It's weird that he hasn't really defended the main points against him or really push anyone. Just calls Lazer an "ok lynch", calls Eden a "pretty good lynch", decides Marv is scum again yet he seems to have no interest in actively not getting lynched. It's really weird because no matter his alignment he shouldn't want to get lynched.

On January 02 2015 06:03 justanothertownie wrote:
Noone in this game ever gives reasons for his read on me.

On January 02 2015 06:06 Koshi wrote:
Why is Kelsier suddenly town geript? You had him as top mafia and now he is town but you forgot why?

On January 02 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote:

i don't think town-geript bullshits reasons on multiple people on my list if he is town.

On January 02 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:

To be honest. There is more.

I am town. Therefore geript must be mafia for TMI. How else would he know I'm town?

On January 02 2015 06:49 Palmar wrote:

Geript why are you mafia?

On January 02 2015 08:57 marvellosity wrote:
because he's a newish player and he's under this humungous tunnel and he's playing the game alone, not with a team. that's the other, very plausible, read.

On January 02 2015 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Can i restate the point that the chyz has lied over and over again? Not a single person has engaged me on this. If im wrong just fucking refute me

On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript.

On January 02 2015 09:29 Palmar wrote:
geript isn't even trying to defend himself. No matter his alignment now he should be lynched. If he is town this is rubbish play.



This post is complete bullshit. The only reason he's in trouble is because he's not contributing to the game when he could have. There are 20 people in the game and no one is batting an eye because some players have less activity than normal. there is a reason that 19 people are not getting lynched and geript is. It's because what he has done this game amounts to basically nothing.

In this kind of a situation, any town player will find the motivation to defend himself. He's hardly even attempting to do it. We need to kill him. And if he actually flips town, we need to call him bad postgame, because this kind of defense is basically unacceptable. All he had to do was to engage with a few people controlling the lynch, most importantly me, and change the read, but it's almost as if he doesn't think he can do it.

There are only two options here.

#1: geript thinks he's just terrible at town, has no ability to convince people, and is willing to sabotage town based on his incompetence.

#2: geript is mafia and thinks he won't be able to imitate his town style in prolonged interrogation.

I actually think geript has both confidence, and that he always plays to win. This defeatist attitude does not fit at all, so I'm hoping that option 2 is the one that is true and he simply has given up trying to fight the lynch.

---

Vivax is a very, very good candidate for being mafia. I have no problem with people going after him.

On January 02 2015 09:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I'm ok with both lynches tbh. It kinda sucks to have two martyrs and only one noose.

On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town

On January 02 2015 11:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

When you say caught early on do you mean Marvs null read that you flipped over? What im hearing here is you gave up the second you got accused. Its day fucking 1 and the wagon isnt necessarily running roughshod over you.

On January 02 2015 11:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Or why wouldnt the cop maybe check lm or marv or vivax or one of these other bullshit cases.....hes not thinking about that cause he knows if he survives he needs an excuse for a possible red check. This is atrocious defense

On January 02 2015 11:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

If you think sacrificing yourself is a better play than proving you're town through good play then I don't think anything I say will help. What I expected from you was some form of direction, but I find it extremely lacking in your posts. To me, the most damning point is having 4 suspects within one hour, and asking none any questions or pressing them for anything (other than calling Marv 100% scum)

If you post good gifs I might still lynch someone else though.

Two votes on Vivax. If you make a good case I'll look into it but I'm already doing more reading than I was planning at 3am.

On January 02 2015 11:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

There are hours left and there are other wagons too. There are a few people who agree with you on vivax, why dont you talk about that instead of flinging shit at me. Apparently you had little problem with me up until right this second and you seem very convinced you will be lynched when I'm not sure anyone saw it that way until you threw a tantrum just now

On January 01 2015 07:23 batsnacks wrote:


Do you still think what I posted is a crackpot theory?

On January 01 2015 11:15 batsnacks wrote:
Doesn't anyone want to talk about reads or something? I know there are ppl here I can see the thread views going up.

On January 02 2015 14:12 Eden1892 wrote:
So geript why the late vote switch?

On January 03 2015 07:42 Koshi wrote:

That there are not enough votes on Vivax.

On January 02 2015 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:

I kount vot and stahp it

ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia
TheChyz (2): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]
DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshi
geript (5): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, sicklucker, Eden1892, batsnacks
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, Batsnacks
IAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sickl6ucker, IAmRobik

Not Voting: folks

batsnacks is lynched.

until deadline.

On January 03 2015 14:49 IAmRobik wrote:

fuck no. eden was like 1000x more towny than koshi. Eden was the towniest town that ever towned in this town

On January 03 2015 14:50 justanothertownie wrote:
Koshi was the most obvious nightkill there ever was. Not that it matters now that they are dead.

On January 04 2015 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote:
He voted in response to Palmar's rant about Vivax think, so if geript is town maybe Palmar swayed him?

On January 04 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:

Didn't you say Koshi was the most obvious medic save earlier? How is he a medic dodge now?

On January 04 2015 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
List of people I would lynch today if I had enough lynches:
Superbia
Vivax
Geript
Robik

Maybe GlowingBear too. He's been mentioned a few times as well but no one's actually bothered to check into him as far as I can see.

On January 04 2015 09:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript why havent you voted for vivax yet

On January 04 2015 09:36 Superbia wrote:
Already talked about ritoky and lazer.

Geript feels the exact same as the last game I played in (where he was mafia):
1. Starts off tryhard and gets serious very quickly like he has something to prove.
2. Pretty much a non-agenda during d1. Says a bunch of somewhat townie shit, but pushes on nothing.
3. Then tunnels on a vet (marv now, HF then).

Also HARD READS marv mafia, after which he just votes batsnacks (which he didn't even believe in, whatsoever) followed by vivax out of nowhere, the two other wagons. He never votes marv, HIS HARD SCUM READ. Then the whole non self-preservation vote debacle, which has been discussed. I believe the self-preservation vote was unnecessary because he had team mates riding the vote train read to switch over if necessary (using the incredibly bad excuse dubbed "shenanigans").



SickLucker loves to focus on himself when he's town (played with him in campus mafia, where he was town and I was mafia), which he has not done this game at all. I'm not a 100% sure if he has changed up his gameplay or what, but I'm expecting town SL to call himself confirmed town every 3 posts, usually based on something ridiculous. This game has been completely different from his town game.

Like the guy literally says I wasted my vote when he is scum-reading ritoky himself. What?

Also associative read if geript is scum (which I believe).

On January 04 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote:
Haha like holy shit I just figured an easy way to confirm people slam messed up

On January 04 2015 09:50 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think its cheating at all but ill check with slam

On January 04 2015 09:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

But his analysis is so shallow. Is that not something that you get whilst reading his filter? It's just.. ugh.

Presuming you're green I think it's really unlikely JAT is scum. No reason for him to create a last minute voteswitch onto Bats, WIFOM is a terrible reason as he wasn't exactly in need of towncred.

On January 04 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred is always polite Ritoky.

Gonna have to check if this is true but I like this observation just for how its developed.

On January 02 2015 12:22 Damdred wrote:
Heres the problem i'm struggling with, with Geript i've played with him a good amount of times and I have a huge amount of respect for his scum game. But sometimes as town he shows up and really doesn't give a shit (no offense) we have a similar situation in avocado numbers mafia I think was the name and geript barely went down with a whimper, also when he went into fanfic mafia when he replaced in he basically refused to do anything after being scum read. He does have a few really good town games though but i've seen geript just not care, so its really giving me pause here.

On January 04 2015 10:05 Superbia wrote:
geript, you feel like you have a god-read on Marv right? Why have you been so wishy-washy on him?

On January 04 2015 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Geript have you ever danced with the devil in the pale moonlight?

On January 04 2015 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote:

I am disappoint. So tell me more about how you think I'm mafia bro.

On January 04 2015 10:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah you've said like twice that "Within this group of 4 random vets is 2 mafia" or something along those lines and my name has been included each time. Why?

On January 04 2015 10:24 justanothertownie wrote:

Many people townread or at least didn't scumread him. Doesn't make it comparable though. And his statement about how my scumgame is better than my towngame suits himself better anyways.

On January 04 2015 10:31 justanothertownie wrote:

You didn't play in even a single one of my scumgames. I hard carried as town before and I have been NK'd night 1 multiple times. Not that this is in any shape or form relevant to this game.

On January 04 2015 10:31 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I have no idea what any of your night-kill logic means. That just looks scummy to me breh. So you're saying that my name is on that list not because you think I've done anything mafia, but because you think you've discerned a pattern in the nightkills and the players on the list what, fit that description?

That sounds bullshit and made up geript.

On January 04 2015 12:05 geript wrote:
I don't know if I buy SL's claim. Feels like super bad time to claim and I can't imagine anybody claiming there. Well maybe VE, but he's a claim whore.

On January 04 2015 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What is your goal for day 2 geript? You wanna lynch marv? You wanna lynch vivax? I would shoot you this instant if i had a choice.

On January 04 2015 12:11 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript has had basically two reads this entire game and done nothing about either. Didnt push marv to save himself, claims vivax seems like a good case but admits he never did his own reading on it. Geript is scum. If anyone had a townread on him tell me why right now

On January 04 2015 12:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Tell me who is scum then. You're avoiding doing anything about your vivax read if i can even call it that. What about marv? Too scared to push it?

On January 04 2015 12:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
How long until you decide to vote or actually pressure a read? You can't wait forever for a mislynch, might as well bus vivax right now. You might convince an idiot that it would somehow make you look better

On January 04 2015 12:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Why are you dodging the questions. You would give me the benefit of the doubt if you were serious. You think I'm scum? You dont have the balls to pressure anybody do you

On January 04 2015 12:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

If you were town you wouldn't be surprised by my brashness in the least. You know how I can be, stop dodging the questions. What do you really think of marv and vivax? Who would you lynch right now?

On January 04 2015 12:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

Why havent you paid more attention to marv and vivax. Whats going on this game that is more important than pushing the lynches you think are good? How is that a dumb noob question? Do you really think you can tilt me

On January 04 2015 12:22 KelsierSC wrote:


Yeh he is scummy I agree.

just let him give his reads. I want to know what he thinks about the SL claim.

On January 04 2015 12:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

You good with a vivax lynch? Go vote then. Ask him something. Pressure him. All youve said is other people make good points. Like what? Whats the strongest point against vivax in your opinion?

On January 04 2015 12:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
What are your top 3 scumreads in order

On January 04 2015 12:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
You wanna lynch sl to clear up your read on damdred instead of pushing vivax or somebody else? Risk killing a cop right now for.info?

On January 04 2015 12:33 sicklucker wrote:
Red checks are actually not that great. Theres 3 roles that will come back red when checked. (framer +2vt) 16/3. So theres a 1 in 5 chance that you get a wrong red check which could lose the game for town.

On January 04 2015 12:36 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I did misread that. blah, I'll take another look at you later. any other scumreads besides just vivax

On January 04 2015 12:32 geript wrote:

Your mom, your girlfriend, your sister.

On January 04 2015 12:37 sicklucker wrote:
Anyway I never hard claimed but medic should save me lol. Screw you ksc I cant back down from that like ever

On January 04 2015 12:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
wow. sure did own me there. fuck you geript

On January 04 2015 12:40 sicklucker wrote:
2 out of 5 games I have played ksc has got the cop killed

On January 04 2015 12:46 Damdred wrote:
Meh there was one game that kel hard claimed cop as vt and got the real cop ls killed d1

Anyway why did you out on a green check sl

On January 04 2015 06:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On page 141 and vivaxs reads are fucking crazy. Hes focused on conspiracies and associations too, something i havent seen much from him as town. Currently thinking vivax and robik are not likely teammates tho

On January 04 2015 13:12 KelsierSC wrote:
geript did you give your thoughts on the people who are potential lynches today/

that feels important to me and I can't remember what you said.

oh yeh GB do that too please.

On January 04 2015 13:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I feel I owe everyone an apolicy for my sloppy and frankly stupid play. I went and read my day 1 filter from lx and I can barely follow and understand my arguments, confirming my real fear that become just straight up stupider since then. i won't martyr, but I will make a sincere effort to stop being an asshole from this point forward. I'm sorry for polluting this game, honestly. I don't.know if I have the reading comprehension skills anymore to play well and I barely had them before.prettydepressed right now

On January 04 2015 13:51 KelsierSC wrote:


give me your thoughts on

SL, viv , Dam, Robik


...brah

On January 05 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I think I'm pretty happy with a Geript lynch though. The two main reasons I like him as town were his play on the end of D1 looking quite townie and his explanation on D2 about a few of my suspects, as well as his suspicions of JAT. However, when combining those two I am left with the option of Geript playing like he did at night because he expected me to perceive it that way. If so, it's also easy for him to think up these answers to my questions if he's scum. That, as well as his complacency earlier in on D1 and the Chyz thing makes me ok with a Geript lynch.

On January 04 2015 14:17 geript wrote:

SL who knows. Maybe he's a noob, but there's really not a point in thinking about him unless there's a counter claim or he lives for 2-3 days and there's not a missing NK. Odds are he's actually the cop and is using the role poorly
Vivax--The reasons I've seen brought up against him made me think he was worth voting for on D1. His posts haven't inspired me and I haven't seen the unique Vivax perspective that I usually see when he's town; plus his posts have been more logic/reason based which is usually what I see from him as mafia. That's said, DrH's comment summarizing Vivax's play I don't find alignment indicative as he does that as town (not sure if he also does it as mafia). All that said, I haven't really gotten past page 2 on his filter every time I open it because I get bored. Good chance for being scum.
Damdred--I thought he was blue and cop by how he's playing. A few points have been made about him that caught my eye because they're things I associate with his mafia play (less active, more passive play, less "in the trenches", etc.). That said, he's made a few good points which I don't think he would if he were town. Maybe I just misread him as blue. I think he's town but I'm less sure than I was yesterday.
Robik--I've absolutely hated Robik's D2. It's been pretty bad. He makes no useful points and just posts a bunch of crap. Unfortunately, that's my experience of his town play. He also has a pretty large filter and he's, from my understanding, a renowned pussy when he's mafia (I'm less sure of this honestly). There are a lot of points that vote both ways, but overall I think he's town, but I'd put that just barely.
GB--I think this guys's town. I talked with Artanis some about him. Maybe we disagree, but if Vivax is mafia, then GB has a higher percentage of being with him for being too right as he's not a player who in my experience has been reasonably accurate with his reads.
VE--Feels very town VE to me. IDK, can't really explain it but I've played with him a bunch. The largest counterpoint to this is that as of late as mafia he's been less active and more lazy aiming more for not being lynched than his previous active scum game.
LM--Has an apparent greencheck on him. Worth considering 90% accurate unless SL flips not blue, there's a CC or what not.
Marv--I'm guessing is town. I've been super wafflecone on this guy and in writing this, I'm realizing that at least some of my town reads have to be wrong
Kels--I thought you were town. But I haven't really played a bunch of games to have a great read on you.
Superbia--He's been flat out wrong about my meta from Russian, super inactive and just overall has no care to play. I don't think I've ever really managed to get a read on him and the games I've played with him he's either been super town or managed to get himself lynched at some point. For some reason I think he might be less active as mafia in general but honestly I have no clue how correct that actually is.
Palmer--has a history of being scum when I role town. I honestly have never had a good clue as to what his alignment is. He'll bus as mafia; he'll generally be less active as mafia. But this game is in a weird situation (NYE into weekend) that he coudl just be MIA town at points. I just really enjoy his snark and how fun he makes the game. Lynch him later on at some point I think.
DrH--None of what he's actually done has been productive. I don't know how honest he's being in his apology. He can be town who's just been overzealous, biased and tunneled or he could be mafia just playing to win.


Don't Lynch Pool:
Damdred
GlowingBear
Geript
Artanis[XP]
Lazermonkey
Marvellosity
justanothertownie
IAmRobik
sicklucker
VisceraEyes
KelsierSC

IDK Pool:
Palmer

Lynch Pool:
TheChyz
Vivax
ritoky
DoctorHelvetica
Superbia

Overall, Kelsier, Damdred, GB, LM and JAT are my weakest Don't Lynch reads. The Lynch pool is essentialy PoE. I still expect at least one Vet to be mafia but as to which one in specific the best bet I think is Palmer. He'd read Eden as town; DrH I don't think allows those kills to go through. Not sure why, but they don't quite suit what I've read of his mafia play (I've never seen him as mafia in a large game I've played in).

On January 05 2015 05:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I think he's a viable lynch target and I don't mind Vivax going on about him. Putting him on the table is fair.

Geript, you didn't put Marv in your weakest Townreads list so that suggests you have a pretty decent townread on him now. What makes him town to you?

On January 04 2015 06:21 marvellosity wrote:
hakuna your tatas.

On January 02 2015 07:59 ritoky wrote:


i voted for you at the lunch period while i was at work @ like 3am, because i wasn't sure i would wake up before the deadline.

i voted for you because i already had a slight scum read on you from your play making no sense and you being stuck in previous game bs; but what pushed you to the top was you coming into the thread right after i posted a massive wall of reads, nitpicking one tiny thing, giving 0 reaction, and moving on. as town, if you really thought i was scum like you apparently do, i feel you would go out of you way to attack and discredit my reads to establish definitively that i am scum or you would simply ignore them because they came from someone you think is scum. you did neither, which isn't what you have done previously as town.

On January 05 2015 05:39 marvellosity wrote:
hihihihihihihi. Am miles behind. Cliff notes?

On January 05 2015 05:46 marvellosity wrote:

to my great sadness, i don't think i've been mafia with palmar

On January 05 2015 05:48 marvellosity wrote:

ignore me if this was answered after this post, but i still couldn't see why you were voting vivax at that point geript?

On January 05 2015 05:51 marvellosity wrote:

but you were suspicious of koshi at the time??

On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:
Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript.

On January 02 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote:

This is a 100% bullshit post from Vivax. There is no way town Vivax thinks like this. Vivax also slipped in his own bullshit by saying the red bolded.

That's enough to read Vivax 100% scum. The entire post is such bullshit. VIVAX IS SMART. Yet "he wonders why" or "he can't grasp" very simple stuff.

This is not town Vivax

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Other reason to why Vivax is scum:

You have to understand Vivax posted this on page 59.
While the batsnacks thing happened on page 57.

So Vivax is 2 pages behind. Yet he says this:

This is 4 hours later. HOW IS VIVAX NOT CAUGHT UP YET?

Vivax is bullshitting you people. He is playing you with this entire "I am not caught up" bullshit. He is using it to not draw too much attention to him. Or that people expect him to participate in the ongoing lynch.

Vivax did not touch geript immediately when entering the thread.
Vivax is a town leader. Vivax is smart. Vivax is the true detective.
Vivax was in this thread for multiple hours and did not touch geript. There is no excuse for a townplayer who was "contributing" to not touch geript. He quoted something from batsnacks and Lazermonkey on page 57. Everything around geript happened already. Why is he not participating in the moment?

But he has time to to ask marv 2-3 times why marv wanted Vivax to come to the thread. But Vivax never does anything with marv ignoring him. Or explain why it is important. WHY is it important marv wondered if Vivax would come back? Do you think Vivax would have produced some sick meta read on marv if marv replied? Nope. It was a bullshit random question.

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Dat adhom. Ok. Now you can die.
I made it pretty obvious that my suspicion wasn't because Vivax was inactive on NYE.

This is the second or third post in which Vivax says "that he doesn't understand" why people are thinking he might be scum.


Even if he disagrees with the reason why people read Vivax as scum. He should at least have a grasp on why it is. Or at least question it. Look it up. But no. This game Vivax is from Barcelona and he knows nothing.

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Also notice how he leaves the thread making 4-5 joke posts and making himself popular? If Vivax really was catching up this entire time, he would leave the thread with some sort of -final reads after catching up-. Or at least something concrete.

Not make 5 joke posts and fuck off. Nope. Never.

Vivax was lurking guys. A real not caught up Vivax who was catching up would not be posting so much in the moment stuff. He was caught up and lurking the entire time he was here.

On January 02 2015 18:56 Koshi wrote:
Look at the time.
Here he read something from page 57:



Then Vivax makes 5-6 posts talking about how Dr.H. his posts convince Vivax that Chyz is scum. Especially this chain makes it believable Vivax is actually caught up. Or decently caught up. You have to understand that this happens on page 62:



Here Vivax comments on page 68 on Chyz his post from page 65.



So on page 59 Vivax is commenting on things that happened on page 57.
On page 62 Vivax is pretty confidently speaking about his Chyz read. He knows everything Chyz and Dr.H posted about the manner.
On page 68 Vivax knows what happens on page 65. Comments on it.

Then on page 69, this is his way to deflect my initial push. This is how he brushes off my pressure. Which I started instantly when he posted that Chyz shit on page 68. Suddenly he is not caught up and insecure:



Then on page fucking 76:

This is page 76!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Vivax has been playing and replying to events from page 59-76 AND NOW HE SAYS HE IS BAD AT THE GAME OR NOT CAUGHT UP. TEXTBOOK MAFIA SENTENCE

On January 05 2015 06:14 Vivax wrote:
Geript if you want to make today's lynch a fully fledged out Koshi sheeping you best not forget the part where he also mentions you and Robik as scum.

On January 05 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote:
Geript why are you so sure ve is town?did you read what I posted

On January 05 2015 06:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Eh, koshis case still doesnt convince me. Vivax play up to this point i guess looks like he was skimming the thread when he came in. If he isn't being lazy now (and being past the holidays) is that really enough

On January 05 2015 06:52 Damdred wrote:
Robik will you read what I wrote on ve and give opinion?

I don't like that answer geript did you read my post on him

On January 05 2015 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:


I think Vivax has pushed who he believes are scum d2.

He also spotted the inconsistency in your reads and that felt town to me.

On January 05 2015 07:07 IAmRobik wrote:

yeah...i don't want koshi to yell at me in post game.

If I had to choose, I'd probably lynch ritoky or superbia though cause I think that Eden's reads were better than Koshi's

On January 05 2015 07:07 Vivax wrote:


I'm sure you have a clear picture of what JAT is thinking about the guy he has been sitting on all day long, ie me, and geript.
Oh wait, you can't cause he refuses to go in depth about us and it's not worth being called out in your opinion.

On January 05 2015 07:08 marvellosity wrote:
slight digressment: watching my other half try to use an iron for the first time is pretty hilarious.

On January 05 2015 07:10 justanothertownie wrote:

No, it isn't.

On January 05 2015 07:11 marvellosity wrote:

obviously. i am hot property.

On January 05 2015 07:16 Palmar wrote:
yo.

What are we doing?

On January 05 2015 07:20 Palmar wrote:
Did you guys know that Damdred is mafia?

On January 05 2015 08:52 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

I don't really think anyone is townreading superbia, but shennanies aren't necessary. A lot of this game is centered around geripts alignment

On January 05 2015 09:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

You're right. Geript escaping through two lynches by shenannies is kind of problematic as it'll probably dominate D3 talk as well. Bleh. Let me know what you think of Superbia though.

On January 05 2015 09:42 sicklucker wrote:
Well shit that didnt have the reaction I hoped. Regardless of that scum slip its still a decent reason to think supers scum.

On January 05 2015 09:42 Superbia wrote:
Geript, what are your thoughts on Robik? What do you think of my argument as to why he's mafia, his dismissal of the argument, and his subsequent departure?