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sicklucker please get back to me on this. It's really important to me:
On January 03 2015 10:52 Eden1892 wrote:Oops missed this. Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote:
Yes I was confident in the original lynch. I was confident in the other one too because of who was voting OK, I'm running into a problem here. I know people have already brought this up, but I need you to go over this for me one more time. You said here that you switched your vote because you weren't confident in your d1 reads, but it seems to me that your switch is entirely because of confidence in your d1 reads, and you say as much here. Why the discrepancy between the post I linked and the post I quoted?
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On January 03 2015 11:45 sicklucker wrote:
Im never very confident in any day 1 reads is more what im saying especially my own. As far as day 1 reads tho I was pretty confident
Do you know of any past examples where you were not confident in a day 1 read I can look up and compare to? Because even if that's "pretty confident as far as day one reads," that seemed really confident for "never very confident in any day one reads" to me, and I know I'm not alone in this.
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On January 03 2015 12:19 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 12:17 Eden1892 wrote:On January 03 2015 11:45 sicklucker wrote:
Im never very confident in any day 1 reads is more what im saying especially my own. As far as day 1 reads tho I was pretty confident Do you know of any past examples where you were not confident in a day 1 read I can look up and compare to? Because even if that's "pretty confident as far as day one reads," that seemed really confident for "never very confident in any day one reads" to me, and I know I'm not alone in this. who cares? booooring
Boy hush
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I am pretty close to wrapping up my cross-examination but I need the last question answered, sicklucker.
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On January 03 2015 12:19 IAmRobik wrote:
I don't like Lazer's post either. specifically 'well fuck, i still think"
Agreed. I don't get what part of Artanis's post would provoke that reaction.
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This one, sl.
On January 03 2015 12:17 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2015 11:45 sicklucker wrote:
Im never very confident in any day 1 reads is more what im saying especially my own. As far as day 1 reads tho I was pretty confident Do you know of any past examples where you were not confident in a day 1 read I can look up and compare to? Because even if that's "pretty confident as far as day one reads," that seemed really confident for "never very confident in any day one reads" to me, and I know I'm not alone in this.
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OK, verdict is in.
I think sicklucker is town. I don't want to kill him today, maybe ever.
Yes it's derpy as hell that he says he changed his vote off geript to batsnacks because he "wasn't confident" in the read on geript, even though he has multiple posts that basically say geript is definitely mafia. But:
(1) His story on his four town reads is completely consistent and held up despite direct questioning. He had explicitly townread three of them and implicitly townread a fourth well before he justified his vote switch by sheeping his townreads.
(2) Sheeping one's townreads off of a vote you like to another wagon late is definitely something a townie would do, and seems like something a townie is more likely to do than a mafia, because a mafia would be worried about how bad "sheep townreads onto a town flip" would look afterwards.
(3) The stars had to have aligned colossally for sicklucker to be mafia and be able to make any kind of strategic switch to kill batsnacks with the rationale that he sheeped his four most consistent town reads. You can't make this up.
Other EoN stuff:
Until I get an explanation from geript regarding why his excuse for his late vote was an outright fabrication and I hear something convincing for the switch, he's likely my kill for tomorrow. I can't see any reason why this guy should be allowed to make it to day 3.
I still have not read Vivax but promise to do so next day. His questioning me was weird and didn't seem to go anywhere so I can kinda see where people are coming from on him, but I'd like to have something more definitive.
Maybe more vote count crunching too.
Chyz, Doc, sicklucker, Koshi are my townreads so far. I should probably have more by now but I haven't paid enough attention to most people to have an honest read. Luckily I expect all of my reads to be alive tomorrow so kills should help thin that out.
That's all I think. I highly doubt I die n1 but just in case~
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...is it still nighttime or...
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Why in God's name was I nightkilled n1?
More to come.
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Actually I'm just going to quote this post from n1:
On January 03 2015 09:05 Eden1892 wrote:Show nested quote +Absolutely, in large part because of it. I never had a handle on much of Heavyweight as it was going on. I just got myself towncleared day 1 by being spammy and trolly and coasted until everyone else who was talking died, and I got so wrapped up in trying to be spammy and trolly and funny that I forgot about actually playing the game. I did what I could to salvage it and tried to find the mafia at the end, but I was so far behind the eight ball that it's doubtful I would have really come back to win even if the mafia team hadn't played absurdly well.
This began a decline in my online town play with some egregiously disastrous mislynches I drove and mafia I defended, because I took the wrong lessons from the game. Here's what I should have learned from it and did learn after having another disastrous performance recently in my Facebook group: - I was not engaged enough in digging into the content of posts. I got away from asking questions and following up on things and found myself mostly sheeping things that sounded good late in phases. On the odd occasion I was questioned about things I found myself unable to articulate convincingly why I believed certain things I did. I've tried to refocus myself toward more pointed questioning, and I hope it's shown in some of my interrogating this game. - I was too engaged with the game in terms of time. I averaged a post every 15 minutes for the entire span of the game. That's fucking ridiculous. I got obsessive with the game and checked it nearly every waking hour I had. When you work overnights with an Internet connection, as I did back then, that's a lot of waking hours. I spammed a bunch and made the thread shitty to read and when I did try to follow up on something (ex: stupid tunnels on Holyflare and marv), I never gave myself a chance to look at it with a fresh set of eyes. You can't genuinely look at something with a fresh set of eyes when you're checking the game every 2 hours. Combined with working another job where I can't readily access the game, one thing I've done differently this game is force myself to be away from the thread at times, so that I can give myself a reset and stop myself from chasing my tail. It's made keeping up a little difficult because there's a lot of posts in this game, but I'm doing what I can. - I got too paranoid about my townreads. My constant back-and-forth about Holyflare being town then Holyflare being mafia etc. was one example. I don't talk about townreads as much because I don't really see the need to do so, but where I have come around to townreading people, like Doc for example, I'm making myself trust the read even if there's a voice in the back of my head casting doubt on it. I've mislynched out of paranoia too many townies who I obviously and correctly townread, and I've decided that plays like your play in WHC, where I get totally bamboozled, are too few and far between to be worth worrying about. - Time. That was five months ago. I feel like I've grown a lot personally, become a lot more mindful, etc. etc. I could go on here but five months is a long time for a 20-something in terms of maturity. Show nested quote +I think that hit the high points, if you care to hear more I can go dig up FB chats from the past 2 weeks and talk more about individual happenings but I think this should suffice.
I think a lot of town's problems resulted from there being entirely too damn much talking going on. This game was just shy of 10,000 posts. You guys realize that's a ridiculous amount of talking, right? The thread was a nightmare to keep up with, as a townie. Confession time, I skipped whole pages to stay atop of what was going on while I was alive and probably would have had at best 75% of the game read had I survived to the end.
I think a lot of players in this game would have benefited from forcing themselves to take time off from thinking about the game and revisiting it after a break. When you're constantly engaged with a thread as active as a 24-hr news network, your capacity to think strategically flatlines. You end up placing too much importance on the most recent things that happen because your brain simply isn't fit to process all the information being thrown at it - to say nothing of being able to take meaningful, deliberate action after processing it.
Some advice I've learned from this game (and the ones I made mention of in the post I'm quoting) which I think others would also find beneficial:
- It's okay not to have all the answers. In fact, you're better off being okay with not having all or even any answers than you are if you go berserk on whatever your best lead of the moment is.
- Make yourself take breaks. Play a video game, go for a walk with your dog, don't check in all the time at work, don't stay up past a reasonable bedtime to play the game (EOD excepted). No matter how good you think you are, you will have ideas that are wrong more than you'll have ideas that are right, and sometimes it's as simple as looking at an idea after a break to figure out the difference.
- Read more and post less! I mean it, it's that simple. Read Ver's guide on how to improve. You don't have to have 10 pages of filter per day to be an effective townie. In fact, you probably hurt your ability to be one when you start saying that much stuff, because there are diminishing returns to posting, as with everything in life.
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On January 18 2015 21:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Eden, if everyone reads more and post less, the thread will be empty
I think the players needs to know their potentials and work with them. Some players are very good at analysing and others are good to keep pushing the thread forward. If they work together with their potentials they will be able to get through the game.
Lol no it won't. What kind of false dichotomy is that? I guarantee town would have been fine if we had only had 7000 posts instead of 10000. Or 6000. That's silly to suggest otherwise.
Especially since so much of it was bad witch hunts.
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