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DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:03 GMT

#588

except for pandain in insane mafia and that one guy in that one game. third most sure read.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:04 GMT

#589

On January 01 2015 03:03 justanothertownie wrote:

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On January 01 2015 03:01 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:56 justanothertownie wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:27 Damdred wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:16 IAmRobik wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:14 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:12 IAmRobik wrote:
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Do you actually believe you'll get me lynched unless people vote me out of spite?

Let me point you to something.....

[quote]

It will be 0/15 after this game.

I think I'll get you lynched if you're scum or if you do not catch up to the thread. If you catch up and show that you are not scum, then I'll be happy to unvote you. Right now you are wasting space.

We're getting off on the wrong foot -- see the thing is...i'm town, so even if i'm wasting space, you shouldn't lynch me...especially on day 1. Everyone here knows that I'm a super productive member of town, even if I'm a pain in the ass. So I implore you to give me the benefit of the doubt and just accept that I will come out firing when I have the time to put into the game -- which just so happens to be AFTER A FUCKING HOLIDAY

Calm down dear, you still have until the deadline to show as such.

On January 01 2015 02:16 Damdred wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:06 IAmRobik wrote:
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Thanks buddy.

Regarding the game...I have absolutely no ideas as I have read maybe like 3 total posts. I thought this would start Friday, so I was kinda surprised when I saw there were 13-14 pages. I"m kinda intimidated now that there are 25 pages and my desire to catch up is non-existent. I will give you my assurance that I have rolled quite the favorable alliance (given my extreme disdain for rolling mafia, it should be easy to figure out what that is), and I will be helping in the mass execution of all mafiosos.

Hi Robik.
I will lynch you if you do not read the thread. I hope that is enough motivation.
Kind regards,
Artanis

So Artanis, why are you focusing on Robik so much for not reading the thread? GB has said that hes not reading the thread and won't catch up today for sure but you haven't even mentioned that?

Because Robik has said Hi like 3 times during the day showing he was present. Besides, I'm familiar with Robik and I like annoying him.

Since you aren't in the mood to lynch geript today, are you going to try to push robik down the lynch today? Or just trying to get him to do stuff

What's the point of this question?

On January 01 2015 02:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:36 Eden1892 wrote:

On January 01 2015 00:40 Koshi wrote:
You say that the discussion was stupid, TheChyz stopped (or attempted) to stop the argument and steer the thread into another direction. Why would mafia do this?

But that's the problem. He didn't actually do the latter part. He just entered the thread to say "hey this is a stupid argument, stop having it" without actually taking the discussion in a different direction. I feel like your posts have been giving Chyz a lot more credit than he's actually earned and it's starting to bother me.

Attempt to steer the thread in WHAT DIRECTION? his fake read on eden that he himself said he wouldnt bother voting for?

Popping in the thread to say hey guys, you all suck, peace out is scummy. All he did was try to shut ritoky down. All of chuz and koshi posts are fake scum posts.

Do you have a scumread on Koshi?

I'm not talking about anything really besides lynching TheChyz. I think Koshi is scum but I tend to forget who posted what and I've even voted for people if their username begins with the same latter as someone else who made a post. Like if Artanis and Alakaslam were in the game I might make that mistake. I think Koshi is the person who made many scummy posts but I'll follow up on that later. THe only thing that matters is that everyone also realizes that TheChyz is definitely mafia.

Hammering that over and over will not make you being listened to. Just sayin.
It would be appreciated if you didn't limit yourself to a tunnel this early in the game.

TheChyz is mafia and if you don't agree you should look at his filter more yourself. I will tunnel anyone I want to tunnel, don't tell me to drop a case do you know how bad that makes you look

I don't care how bad you think it makes me look. You can of course keep pushing this. What I said is you shouldn't limit yourself to it if you are town. Repeating the same things over and over is not productive or even helpful to your case.

Thanks for the advice. Can you explain why TheChyz's initial read on eden makes any sense please?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:05 GMT

#591

none of those are really the main reason i suspect chyz

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:11 GMT

#595

He singles out eden for being noncommittal, defensive, non-aggressive, etc. yet Eden for the whole thread was pressuring people with good questions, putting in effort trying to get a read on me and he actually made a small case for Chyz and voted for him. Only I had voted up until that point. Then he says his own read isn't good enough to vote for, considering that, why would his stance about eden being wishy washy hold any weight

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:16 GMT

#600

On January 01 2015 03:10 TheChyz wrote:
I didn't think I needed to defend myself because in my head it was kinda obvious but that was probably a bad assumption to make that others would see the way I do without explaining. Basically I was just sick of the thread going in the boring "here are my policy lynches" and "not lynching your policy lynch" type talk and so wanted it to stop. I didn't have a good read at the moment (since game just started) and dr.H wanted some read. Other than wasting time and saying I have nothing (not productive) I said the only case I could make to try to get some direction in town.

So sorry if you feel like I'm scum for trying to lead the charge and sucking at it? LOL

PS. dr.H, do I get a to write your sig if you lynch me then?

I didn't think I needed to defend myself!

On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica

On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:

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Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?

On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.

Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?

On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.
Weird? Why wouldn't a scum defend/buddy up to you? If you are town they would obviously know that and get town cred from your flip.

I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.

I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey

This one is a doozy too. Up to this point all you have done is OMGUS vote for me. The basis of your case is once again based around a player not having a solid case, not pushing reads, not scumhunting, etc. This is the first time in the whole game you're actually pressuring a player but up until the point of this post you are just as guilty of what you are accusing lazermonkey and robik of. How can somebody with no reads as town think someone is mafia for not having reads? And when you called out eden for the same thing he was pretty much one of two or three players who DID have a read and DID pressure his targets and DID vote. Can we please lynch TheChyz

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:18 GMT

#603

On January 01 2015 03:12 justanothertownie wrote:

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Like I said. Hypocrisy is not a thing only scum does.

Because the read was fabricated. He's accusing eden of doing things eden didn't do, then calls the read garbage, then says it was good again but he won't commit to it until later, then flames me for a while, then calls out lazermonkey for not having a strong read or something.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:21 GMT

#608

On January 01 2015 03:20 justanothertownie wrote:

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So? We aren't getting anywhere here.

We should be getting to lynching TheChyz.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:22 GMT

#611

So what if someone fabricates a read? Are you serious? He went from defending it for different reasons, to calling it garbage and not disagreeing with my dismissal of it, then saying again that he's sticking with his eden read, then dropping it to make the same accusations against lazermonkey which were hypocritical anyway. I guess that's considered good town play now?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:24 GMT

#616

It isn't scum not to have a strong read but it is like scum to yell at everyone else for not having them while they basically lurk and post nonsense.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:26 GMT

#620

On January 01 2015 03:24 Koshi wrote:

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On January 01 2015 02:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TheChyz is mafia

The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context.

On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.

This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.

On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote:
Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way.

dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point.

Let's sum up the Eden read:
1. Eden is my largest scum read.
2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly.
4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully.

Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia?

On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote:
in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't.

##VOTE: TheChyz

This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is
1. Defensive
2. Not jumping on anyone
3. Too cautious

This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him.

On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote:
He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean.

1. Everyone is suspicious
2. I am suspicious
3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right.

I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter!

I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself.

On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote:
I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it?

With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant.

1. Eden is my largest scumread.
2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up)
4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful.
5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right.
6. I have no reason to vote for Eden.
7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote.
8. Eden is the least towny of all the players.

And then:

Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it

Everyone read this again. Thechyz has yet to contribute a thought out read or try scumhunting. All his votes are jist omgus and hes still telling people he suspects them basically for not scumhunting or having strong reads. It doesn't get much worse. There is no reason we should not lynch thechyz day 1.

Nothing in this post makes him obviously scum.

If thechyz is town in this game you can write my tl sig. It's barely even about hypocrisy. Its about the foundation of his read....its fabricated obvioisly because eden was basically the only.player to make real accusations or do much up to thst point. Earlier he doesnt think it important enough to even offer his "largest scumread" when he can just lurk and tell.other players how they arent being useful

I am the biggest believer in Chyz his innocence. I should get the honors.

No matter what Chyz flips I'm gonna be all over you next so you might wanna start omgusing me now it'll make it look more authentic later

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:27 GMT

#622

On January 01 2015 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:

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I never said that it is good townplay. But I have enough experience to know that town players are not always playing well. I think you should too.

I know that. I think this is scum play not bad town play. I don't think a townie would reach the same conclusions and express them in the same way as TheChyz did. If this gains no traction I am going to rewrite my case ad nauseum because I am about 80% convinced which is good for this early in the game

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:28 GMT

#623

On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.

You're right. I am trying to push a vote on you because I believe you are mafia. The objective of the game is to lynch mafia and is the only thing that matters. Geript has never played in a game where I was scum as far as I recall.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:34 GMT

#629

Look. This is @JAT

Anyone can come in halfway through Day 1 and point out a bunch of people who aren't committed to anything. It takes a long time for people to get entrenched and confident in their reads and it's a VERY easy time for mafia to come in and either FoS or vote for anybody on those grounds. The fact that he chose to do that on a player (eden) who didn't fit his stated reasoning (eden wasn't being defensive or noncommittal or any of those things) is very strange. If he said that about somebody else and it were true I wouldn't have been very interested at all and would agree, like he said, that it was just the best thing he had going. But the reasons were fake. His behavior since has been just as wishy washy and bad, calling me a filter spammer and not addressing anything. Not doing anything to LazerMonkey even when Marv threw his support behind that. Uses the same one size fits all Day 1 case for LazerMonkey as he used for his eden read, everything this guy is doing is setting off red flags for me left and right. Could be a youngminii situation but mafia is about taking risks. I won't be right 100% of the time but even if TheChyz is newb town scum is sweating if they know I'm willing to tunnel like this.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:35 GMT

#631

On January 01 2015 03:31 marvellosity wrote:

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that's a disappointing climbdown from 100% sigbet worthy

I'll still sigbet, that's pretty good odds. Have anything useful to say yet marv

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:36 GMT

#632

On January 01 2015 03:34 KelsierSC wrote:
So I honestly think the case against Chyz is kind of shit tier and that is what makes me interested in the people who jumped on it. Namely Artanis and Lazor.

So I asked the two of them some questions and I quite like the read that Artanis gave on DrH that felt towny to me. But when I asked Lazer questions he basically didn't have any reads on eden, DrH or rit. This is apparently a scummy thing because he reads the chyz as scum for not immediately having strong reads at that stage of the game.

We need to move on from chyz at the moment because this reason for pushing him is poor. He stopped rit and DrH having their dick measuring, that felt fine. Then when he got forced to give reads (by DrH) he gave some but he wasn't like "this guy is scum, lynch" and then DrH feels like he was being hypocritical...I don't see how, nowhere did chyz give the impression he was giving a strong read.

When Lazer entered the thread he gave these reads

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which is just a copy of the thread mentality and what people had said, again I think the case is bad so supporting it is bad to me.

Then he gives a read on Robik, which is like the most pointless read at this stage of the game

"hey robik said hi then left, he is a bit scummy" ... yeh but what is the point of that read.

Then he gave his 3 reads eventually on eden etc. I didn't think much of the reads at all, they seem very contrived.

So in conclusion, jumps into thread and sheeps the thread opinion, ( a bad case on chezy ) , has no good reads at all. I think one of artanis/lazer is scummy and I think it is Lazer

I never said thechyz was scum for not immediately having strong reads that has very little to do with it. He obviously fabricated his post.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:36 GMT

#634

TheChyz is the one who made the read on eden for not having strong reads in the first place except Eden DID and he VOTED for it.

What more do you want? If I right now said you were scum for not saying stuff you have been saying I bet you'd vote for me right there.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:39 GMT

#638

I gotta read that ritoky game and see if there's anything to that. I'm not gonna fight a losing battle, if I can't get traction on TheChyz obvs there's no point and I have to see if a vig does the right thing. I'll still try again on Day 2 if I have to.

He was apparently fine with me 8 hours ago when he was calling me scum, voting for me and saying I'm spewing garbage though I wonder if that's significant at all

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:40 GMT

#641

On January 01 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Doctor what do you think about the people who were supporting your case?

I skimmed a lot of posts in this thread because I am currently only concerned about tunneling TheChyz. I'll read all that stuff later when I'm ready to think about it.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:41 GMT

#644

On January 01 2015 03:40 sicklucker wrote:
Actually thats not true he did really have one but he was begging in scum qt to fake one so he was still pretty agro. Still did dumb things like to claim it knowing there was a rber that a town would never do.

I don't understand what you're saying but it seems like it could be useful, can you clarify it or put it in context with some of ritokys posts?

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:42 GMT

#646

On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:

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I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read...
And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.

Cherrypicking. You were tilting in the thread about how I didn't vote yet. No one was gonna vote with you so now it's all just bullshit and you were actually fine with me the whole time? No.

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