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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 10:59 GMT
#8889
I should probably try consolidate or i'll be here all day
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 11:17 GMT
#8890
On January 15 2015 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 10:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 15 2015 10:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:
So just to Math this out.

In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch.

If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game.

If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead.

There's a few bobs and screws left that I don't fully understand myself. That is one of them. My best guess is that you felt the bus would get you enough cred to make this argument. Had Lazer lynched Marv, Lazer would have a great chance of surviving the entire game. Same goes to a lesser extent for you and Marv on LM. It's sacrificing time for a better shot at winning at endgame.


You think mafia do all this, have an extra day make extra night kills to give town info all for vote cred, and have to get 2 mislynches.
When instead they can just get a town lynched and then win the next day by convincing 1 member of town to vote with them.

Like I said, I'm not entirely happy with the explanation, but eh. Marv not leading a lynch on mafia throughout this game would get to him, so I can see him trying, and at that point you may as well join in to add to the cred.

Basically Marv would be super screwed if he led/was part of a wagon that lynched town today if he were scum. It'd be possible to sac Marv and just go full on Palmar, but he's had a 38 page game so I doubt he'd be willing to do so.

This is all wrong and isn't how I think about playing mafia at all. As mafia I pretty much always expect to die soon. I remember Hero Mafia that Vivax brought up as some silly argument about something at some stage - go read the scumQT there and see how often I prophesize my own demise. I would *absolutely*, as mafia, put myself in a terrible spot to lynch Palmar and leave the rest of my team with only one more ML to secure between them after I die. That's basic, good strategy and probably my absolute best asset as scum is strategising.

Palmar and I basically both agree that the only way high profile players can play mafia is to try to secure as many ML as possible before inevitably dying. Me and you have talked a lot about how I think about/play scum, Artanis. You know this!

What actually happened is, I didn't want to vote Palmar to save myself, I explicitly said so, and I explicitly told people to vote for mafia instead. Fin.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 11:27 GMT
#8893
active? what do you think i'm doing right now bbygrl. i can't be active when i'm not here though ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 11:30 GMT
#8894
On January 15 2015 20:23 sicklucker wrote:
So marv do you agree with artanis that vivax is town. Or can he be a tryhard mafia here?

he should be town, but then again one of my main tasks for today needs to be to find the mafia in amongst my townreads
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 11:40 GMT
#8895
On January 15 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm convinced.

I'm voting LM tomorrow.

One thing is certain: they wanted to keep ritoky alive.
And if they wanted to keep ritoky alive, is that because they would want to try to keep his cop claim untouched.

It means they didn't know who the cop was.

It means they thought someone else was the cop.

I have to figure out who.

none of this makes sense, only one or two idiots at most thought that ritoky could plausibly be cop. Everyone else knew he wasn't
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 11:47 GMT
#8896
On January 15 2015 10:38 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 10:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 15 2015 10:33 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 15 2015 10:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 15 2015 10:27 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, this needs to be explained, if you believe LM is part of the scum team.


On January 08 2015 14:50 liancourt wrote:
I Count this vote sons


ritoky (5): sicklucker, marvellosity, sicklucker, vivax, glowingbear, palmar, lazermonkey, vivax, Marvellosity, GlowingBear, IAmRobik, Palmar, Lazermonkey
vivax (0): sicklucker, Chezinu, GlowingBear, Ritoky
marvellosity (): Palmar
Lazermonkey (): KelsierSC, vivax
Superbia (6): KelsierSC, Artanis[Xp], Chezinu, sicklucker, Damdred, Lazermonkey
sicklucker (): GlowingBear, vivax, vivax
glowingbear (): IAmRobik
Palmar (): IAmRobik, GlowingBear
Damdred (): Palmar, lazermonkey
IAmRobik (2): ritoky, Superbia

Superbia is lynched.



I see two scum wagons. What needs to be explained about this?


If they knew Robik was the cop, why keeping ritoky alive just to be auto lunched the next day?

I don't know if they knew Robik was the cop.


After his hard claim??
C'mon.

On January 15 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm convinced.

I'm voting LM tomorrow.

One thing is certain: they wanted to keep ritoky alive.
And if they wanted to keep ritoky alive, is that because they would want to try to keep his cop claim untouched.

It means they didn't know who the cop was.

It means they thought someone else was the cop.

I have to figure out who.

ehhhhhhhhhh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 11:48 GMT
#8897
GB pretty much fitting arguments as convenient there.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:21 GMT
#8902
On January 15 2015 11:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2015 11:23 Vivax wrote:
I'm lynching Kelsier before LM.

I'm okay with this too. I chose the lynch last time, I'll sheep you this time.
##Unvote
##Vote KelsierSC

no, no, no. Apart from anything else, look at the bloody lynches we'd have had this game if we let Vivax choose........
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:26 GMT
#8904
by his own criterion, he is mafia :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:28 GMT
#8905
On January 15 2015 11:49 sicklucker wrote:
Like I believe ksc most of what he says makes sense. Hes mafia mvp if he is

mmhmm
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:29 GMT
#8906
On January 15 2015 11:53 sicklucker wrote:
we can lynch marv if he doesint try really really hard today and spew town. I think thats the better play hes known to concede as mafia...

see: yesterday
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:30 GMT
#8907
On January 15 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
So I went ok gb im going to ask a question if you dont ask answer it within 2 minutes im going to asume your mafia.

The qeustion - what is the name of your vt role.

His answer highway ##

I looked at the flips and I think eden was the same highway ##

On page 1 the list 13 of mostly vt (1confirmed mafia) is listed where a mafia would have to go and steal one of those to answer the qeustion.

So either slam made 2 highway## vt roles or gb is mafia

I can confirm with my own role that this does not make GB mafia. Even though he is. But not for that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:33 GMT
#8908
maybe I'm miller actually but that's just speculation
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:38 GMT
#8909
as in, I'm not just speculating that for zero reason but I have the same highway as jat. Seems a bit simplistic though
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:46 GMT
#8910
On January 15 2015 18:24 GlowingBear wrote:
##Vote: Sicklucker


Artanis (and maybe Vivax), I don't see how you can not have this guy in your team. This vote reeks of desperation... like I would *kind of*, maybe, understand it at a different stage in the game but you'd both backed off your paranoia of sl with pretty solid reasons why sl was town (beyond the obvious), namely the number of mafia that would be pushing the fakeclaim for no reason
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 12:48 GMT
#8911
Lazer is super reluctant to push Kelsier and I'm not exactly sure why. Esp. as Kelsier has been pushing him for a long time
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 13:13 GMT
#8913
On January 15 2015 22:11 sicklucker wrote:
so is this marv world? Let me get this straight

town
Me
artanis
vivax
ksc

Dandred?

mafia
gb
Lm

marv
sl
art

kels
damd
vivax

lm
gb

I have to find the mafia in the middle tier i think
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 13:19 GMT
#8916
On January 15 2015 22:15 sicklucker wrote:
Arg like I want to live in your world because that means I have been right all game. But maybe ive been wrong? Artanis seems to think so

Artanis isn't god. I mean I know my own alignment so I come from a privileged position that I can't really expect you just to take for granted, but I'm not really sure how or why GB is supposed to be town in this situation, it more looks like Artanis created a (plausible i guess) scenario and fitted the pieces in, without at least looking individually.

you know it yourself that i tried to push off palmar yesterday, when i went to bed and told people not to lynch palmar i thought that would mean town wouldn't, and leaving a Palmar who's hardpushing me alive is *so fucking stupid* if I'm mafia. And i'm not fucking stupid.

kels pushed against it with me and pushed off the Palmar lynch and has been correctly been calling me town, so I'm quite biased in favour of him.

The problem is i think i have pretty good reasons to call everyone in the middle tier town, just in one case the reasons aren't good enough
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 13:20 GMT
#8917
On January 15 2015 22:17 GlowingBear wrote:
I love how you skip all the things I wrote about sicklucker's forced reactions and how you skipped the huge post I've made on damdred, who keeps silent whenever he isn't the push

what you wrote on sl is just bullshit narrative
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 15 2015 13:26 GMT
#8919
it doesn't matter, it pays for mafia to have suspicion anywhere at lylo, especially as he doesn't seem to be under pressure much today (?!)
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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