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On January 13 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:02 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote:
Ok i'm on a computer now finally.
I really don't like being tunneled, i've begged you to actually read my filter Palmar and you just wont' do it.
This is not true, I had no opinion on you until I read your filter. Would you yourself characterize any parts of your play, especially from day 1 and 2 as different from normal? Ok let me rephrase then, You stopped reading my filter after a couple of pages. Actually yes I was more aggressive D1 going after LM and Bats, which is something i've been striving towards. Day two I don't remember a lot of but I know I almost got super lynched if vivax would of listened to me. Not exactly sure what else would be different.
The thing is, read your own posts regarding LM
I specifically mentioned the weird phrasing. You don't _sound_ aggressive at all.
Anyway, if you are town, which I suppose is a possibility, what is your scumteam? And if you suggest I'm in it I'm not going to listen to.
like give me 2 people who you think might be mafia and why.
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On January 08 2015 06:53 GlowingBear wrote:
Palmar, I have read some posts from damdred that made him look townie. I think this is not a day to lynch him.
But he isn't actively trying to solve the game. His thoughts aren't well explicit in the thread. He could be mafia, yes.
He is more of a null than scum here.
On January 13 2015 01:39 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 01:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 06 2015 00:47 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2015 00:44 Damdred wrote:
Ok just caught up and woke up,
I am upset at you SL, if you are trying to draw a bullet you do not unclaim during the night you let the medic make the wifom decision. I'll talk more about this tomorrow if it comes up.
I'll be honest though I really hate it how vivax and LM hard defended super during the eod, i'm not really sure why you shouldn't be ok to lynch super. Kels reasoning I think made sense to me, he didn't hard defend super.
Because of this post, if super is mafia, you are too.Also I'm honestly going to just chill. There is literally no one being not bad in this town at the moment. Everyone has either lynched townies, or failed to push alternative lynches. This means mafia has no idea whom to shoot tonight, because the doc save is guaranteed. So I guess I'll just see who they shoot, and figure the game out tomorrow. I may start reading tonight, but I'm not going to conclude much for now. Why did you arrive at this conclusion? Damdred is asking a lot of "clarifying" questions, you're right, and that along with his opposite reads on Dr.H and Ritoky does point to scum. However he did hop on the Superbia lynch over two town wagons and did not stray which I feel offsets it a bit. I also like how he's gone after Lazer. However I just decided to go look at an older game. His most recent scumgame according to the database was Fantasy Football 2 and towngame Russian Today. I believe I've heard before that Damdred doesn't engage his scum suspects when he's scum. In this game he has, so I wanted to collaborate that. First thing I notice in his scumgame is this: On October 23 2014 10:46 Damdred wrote:
God thank you, I hated rolling scum in the game that just finished. Damdred totes town Joking about being town. The opposite and yet similar to what he did this game. Not sure what it means but it could be significant. In the game, he engages a few of his suspects at the start but then basically only starts conversing with GlowingBear and makes random oneliners here and there. In this game, he looks more engaged with a variety of other people rather than the narrow focus he had in FF. So, Russian Today: On November 28 2014 08:18 Damdred wrote:
Hey guys I'm town with great success.
I'm finishing up this service at work so I'm going to be catching up on break and posting thoughts Starts the other game with a joke about his alignment as well. Guess it has no significance after all. In Russian today he's a lot more insightful, engages a lot of people in discussion. In the Towngame he also asks a few seemingly silly questions, but that's hard to check since that'd require going through the thread and seeing if it makes sense and I aint got time for that. This game he looks more like Russian Today so I'm going to go with Damdred being town this game. This isn't true Artanis. Damdreds play in this game fits his scum meta. He is asking questions without clear intentions. His thoughts aren't well exposed in the thread. He just asks questions and let those answers drown in the thread. I read him more as null because he did things that looked townie, although I don't remember exactly what they were. There was a post of him that he asked people to give thoughts on when he got ignored, which I thought was townie.
Btw... Jesus christ what happened here?
Like he's literally calling you mafia for exactly the reasons I am, but he defended you with the same bullshit yesterday.
You think this is a genuine change of heart Damdred?
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okay not yesterday, but I didn't read or play the game during the ritoky autolynch day.
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Actually now that I read his posts, they aren't all that inconsistent.
meh.
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On January 13 2015 08:11 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:06 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:02 Palmar wrote:On January 13 2015 07:31 Damdred wrote:
Ok i'm on a computer now finally.
I really don't like being tunneled, i've begged you to actually read my filter Palmar and you just wont' do it.
This is not true, I had no opinion on you until I read your filter. Would you yourself characterize any parts of your play, especially from day 1 and 2 as different from normal? Ok let me rephrase then, You stopped reading my filter after a couple of pages. Actually yes I was more aggressive D1 going after LM and Bats, which is something i've been striving towards. Day two I don't remember a lot of but I know I almost got super lynched if vivax would of listened to me. Not exactly sure what else would be different. The thing is, read your own posts regarding LM I specifically mentioned the weird phrasing. You don't _sound_ aggressive at all. Anyway, if you are town, which I suppose is a possibility, what is your scumteam? And if you suggest I'm in it I'm not going to listen to. like give me 2 people who you think might be mafia and why.
I really disagree with you here, if you actually read it I am so aggressive (in context) and pressure him so much that LM basically rage quits the conversation and says that he won't respond to me anymore. I'm not sure if you are getting the context with just the filter.
excluding you palmar just to futher the conversation this is where I am,
LM is very probable mafia to me, some of his postings lately give me some pause but still a few things that put him here for me.
GB is possible I think, there are some weird things the past couple of pages in the filter just don't see the normal GB gumption.
And I have a gut feeling that i'm not sure about yet.
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Damdred, could you please be less... vague?
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Ok,
LM is pretty prevalent in my filter, I really dont' want to quote myself just go read my filter.
GB has no reads at this point, not trying to push the game and is totally disinterested. Looks more like his mafia meta now.
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Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though?
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On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though?
He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it.
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On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it.
How do you feel his play is today?
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On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today?
Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think.
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On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think.
So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why?
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On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why?
I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred.
You can still have good days and be mafia I think
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On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think
I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts.
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On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts.
I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning
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On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning
I've noticed three things:
1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time.
2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since.
3. You still really want to kill LM.
This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you.
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On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you.
1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred.
2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town.
3) I do want to kill LM
I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super.
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On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:23 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Could you indicate what exactly gives you pause about LM though? He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super.
If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different.
I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads.
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On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:25 Damdred wrote:
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He actually worked during autolynch day. Pushed his thoughts when he didn't have to, looked townie doing it. How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads.
Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously.
Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider
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On January 13 2015 09:13 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2015 09:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:58 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:44 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:39 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 13 2015 08:31 Damdred wrote:On January 13 2015 08:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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How do you feel his play is today? Its in the same vein of play, he acted scummy early and a good bit even right after the super lynch. But he is acting town re-evaluating his reads and relooking at the game. He seems focused on GB which is null but hes going about it in a good way i think. So you feel he's played a poor D1-3 but a good D4-5, yet you still view him as "very probable mafia". Why? I think the case on him is still pretty good, and his vote is a possible bus to get town cred. You can still have good days and be mafia I think I just want to know why it seems you haven't been re-evaluating despite mentioning how he's had good days. It suggests a real ironclad certainty on your initial read, but if that's true then you should be able to tell us why he's still scum despite his recent posts. I'm not sure exactly where you are coming from saying I haven't re-evaluated when I clearly am. Yesterday was a good day and hes doing ok today, and I have to weight early stuff with what hes doing now. And I still think the early stuff is damning I've noticed three things: 1. You felt LM was scummy throughout the game, yet not scummy enough to warrant pushing over Superbia at the time. 2. LM has started acting considerably more townie since. 3. You still really want to kill LM. This suggests you either had a really strong scumread on both Superbia and LM in which case you've pushed it kind of meekly, you feel that LM's recent days haven't actually been that strong, you haven't properly re-evaluated or you're bullshitting. I'd like to know what I'm doing wrong in this evaluation to you. 1) One of the things that I got called out for a lot early was that meta analysis that I did on superbia. All of a sudden Super starts acting the way that the scum meta goes and i jump on it. I thought Super was the scummiest person in the game after he came back to the thread in day two and I started to push him and make cases. After the flip I started pushing LM for what I think is a bus for town cred. 2) Does mafia never act like town? Short bursts of thought don't automatically make you town. 3) I do want to kill LM I'm not sure how you can call my push on super meek? Especially when i'm begging people d2 to get on mafia!Super. If you were as sure of LM and Superbia as you seem to be I don't understand why you weren't basically harassing everyone to tell them to vote for them. Yes, at some points you asked people but the certainty you project is different. I also don't understand how you can call someone's days good and still call them scum confidently. If LM is scum, I want to see how his recent posting still fits in that profile, because if he's scum there will be leads. Having good or bad days is not alignment indicative. Geript had bad days and he was town for example. HF as another example has amazing days as mafia but hes still mafia. Does good days make someone town? Especially when its preceded with poor play? Or what about starting good and falling off ala vivax in his mafia games? The answer is no, they are mafia independent of selective periods of time obviously. Also super went to his scum meta which i was familiar with, and made promises etc., so of course im going to yell to get people their especially EoD. But we are far from that and there's information to gather and things to consider
Wait, so you mean when you say that someone has a good day you don't mean that they're looking townier but rather that they're making good points which apparently to you aren't alignment indicative?
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