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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 16:49 GMT
#7181
On January 12 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GB why don't you care about asking me your initial question anymore?


What initial question ?
I'm adorable.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 11 2015 16:50 GMT
#7182
On January 12 2015 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GB why don't you care about asking me your initial question anymore?


What initial question ?

You wanted to know why I was nullreading you yet you seem to have stopped caring.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 11 2015 16:50 GMT
#7183
Nobody in the game is universally town read? Besides dp I think.

I think what you said is untrue
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 16:50 GMT
#7184
On January 12 2015 01:47 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote:
How am I a potential list? I think claim games are stupid scrum has fakes this far into game more than likely and I am at work

You're a potential lynch because you're not cleared. Palmar has a scumread on you, I don't know what to think of you and SL seems to have doubts on you as well. This isn't about the claim, but just your play overall in this game. I liked your LM case but you haven't really been here pushing him as much as I'd expect.


I'm not pushing a case when we have a mafia up for lynch? I pushed super begged until he was lynch so no I've been pushing things.

You claim Palomar case is to selective so why's it matter he has a scrum read? Rit scrum read me. I think Palomar is mafia to so yea.


Scumhunting never ceases. You could continue to push him.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 16:51 GMT
#7185
On January 12 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 12 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GB why don't you care about asking me your initial question anymore?


What initial question ?

You wanted to know why I was nullreading you yet you seem to have stopped caring.


I don't remember it anymore lol

I'm fed up with this game

But you can answer it if you want
I'm adorable.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 11 2015 16:52 GMT
#7186
On January 12 2015 01:50 Damdred wrote:
Nobody in the game is universally town read? Besides dp I think.

I think what you said is untrue

Me, SL, DP and Kelsier are townread by just about everyone that matters.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 16:53 GMT
#7187
Kelsier is definetely not a consensus
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 11 2015 16:54 GMT
#7188
On January 12 2015 01:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 01:47 Damdred wrote:
On January 12 2015 01:43 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 01:40 Damdred wrote:
How am I a potential list? I think claim games are stupid scrum has fakes this far into game more than likely and I am at work

You're a potential lynch because you're not cleared. Palmar has a scumread on you, I don't know what to think of you and SL seems to have doubts on you as well. This isn't about the claim, but just your play overall in this game. I liked your LM case but you haven't really been here pushing him as much as I'd expect.


I'm not pushing a case when we have a mafia up for lynch? I pushed super begged until he was lynch so no I've been pushing things.

You claim Palomar case is to selective so why's it matter he has a scrum read? Rit scrum read me. I think Palomar is mafia to so yea.


Scumhunting never ceases. You could continue to push him.


I put my case out there and answered or expanded on what I said. That is documenting.

My others read isn't here atm
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 11 2015 16:56 GMT
#7189
On January 12 2015 01:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 01:50 Damdred wrote:
Nobody in the game is universally town read? Besides dp I think.

I think what you said is untrue

Me, SL, DP and Kelsier are townread by just about everyone that matters.


Not sure about that. SL is scrum read by at least one person. Kel isn't consensus and neither are you atm even viv has second feelings about you at points
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 11 2015 16:58 GMT
#7190
On January 12 2015 01:51 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 01:49 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 12 2015 01:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
GB why don't you care about asking me your initial question anymore?


What initial question ?

You wanted to know why I was nullreading you yet you seem to have stopped caring.


I don't remember it anymore lol

I'm fed up with this game

But you can answer it if you want

I've named plenty of points against you. Point in favour of you being town would be if Palmar is scum since his case on you being town looked forged in a way that I suspect he knew your alignment before he made it. Like he starts out with points that make you scummy, then 180s on that read on a very trivial point and immediately stops reading and makes a conclusion.
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On January 08 2015 05:27 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 02:07 GlowingBear wrote:
O hai!
I'm town

I'm also on the beach so I'm not reading the thread yet.

First page = geript and damdy trolling mafai.

Brb


Tone read. He wrote "O hai!" which sort of feels like one of these "Look how casual and chill I am, totally not mafia" (think what I said about marv's "bitch" last game.

Some scum points for that.

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 09:46 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:44 geript wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:35 Eden1892 wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:22 Eden1892 wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Uh, I don't want to make your dick hard. I don't think anything about anyone yet.

On December 31 2014 15:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
That being said I'd like to show everyone my spreadsheet ranking Day 1 joke posts from least to most scummy.

what's up with the second post here though? seems like if you have opinions about which posts are suspicious you have opinions about which people are suspicious. non?

Seems like you take everything literally, we're gonna have problems if you waste your time with shit like this.

just checking, it seemed like a joke but i didn't want to supply that answer in case it weren't~

On December 31 2014 15:32 geript wrote:
On December 31 2014 15:27 geript wrote:
I'm more concerned about how you find a post that is "stiff and awkwardly timed," two traits that are more often considered mafia tells, towny? Can you explain that more fully? It's also pretty weird that you reasonably correctly point out that his post is going nowhere while simultaneously responding to it.

@Eden Explain.

sure, i'm not sure what you meant by "shut down this line" in the previous part of the post btw so if you want a reply to that please clarify for my addled brain

as for why i read it townie, like i said, it seemed like an effort to get discussion somewhere besides early-game banter, which imo wasn't going anywhere. i followed up on the post because even if the object-level discussion ends up being pretty pointless, i can get some possibly useful meta-level reads from it - and hey, maybe it is going somewhere and i miss it, y'know?

By shut it down, I mean shut down any further discussion on useless policy. Nobody needs to find policy to find discussion.
The problem with your "townread" is that your reasons for finding him town are complete bullshit. That post is a throwaway post that I could recite to newbies to "get discussion going" as either alignment and potentially useful dependent on how it's driven and moved (even moreso to scum imo not that it matters). There actually were things to be talked about in the thread already (my townread on Damdred, the ??? on sicklucker who IIRC also made a passing townread on Damdred, Robik not posting anything while making a few posts, etc.). It's odd that you comment that his post was stiff and awkwardly timed, two bad reasons that people's posts are often called scummy for and then settle on a bad reason to call him town for it. As for meta reads, what type of meta reads do you expect will lead to any sort of meaningful read off of policy discussion?



Like, THIS post is very townie. It correctly reads Eden and his reasoning seems very fluid. It also keeps discussion going on, and he keeps the push on Eden. I find this very townie.


is the bolded TMI? He was defending geript at the point but was completely unsuccessful in stopping the wagon on him. Also the reasons he thinks this is townie are quite fluffy. "keeps discussion going" is hardly a thing.

Some more scum points

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 06:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I'll read the game in 3 hours and give you guys reads. But you can't lynch anyone other than marv when he has got only 3 pages of filter.

The wi fi works poorly here in the hotel. I'm gonna rent some hours in the lobby's computer.


I gave him town points for this at the time, and probably still should. Then again, marv is unlikely to dispute this as town, because it's essentially correct AND has very little chance to actually be pushed through.

Don't know if town, or calculated risk, or scumbuddies (another form of calculated risk).

Slight town points.


GB seems to have changed his mind a lot during day 1:

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I've started reading the game a bit before New Years Eve and I must say I don't like DrH opening, geripts call on damdred and I have a slight townread on Eden.



Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
I've read until page eighteen yet, and I don't like:
Eden
Sicklucker
Ritoky

Ritoky being more of a null. Just saw a post or him on page 16 that was horrible.


Complete 180 on Eden. In the wrong direction in my opinion (I started out thinking Eden was mafia for some interaction, with DrH I think? The one marv agreed was weird, but he kinda grew on me). I also think he had some back and forth with his vote on geript. But I can't remember what it exactly was.

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 07:40 GlowingBear wrote:
I actually want to lynch half of the players list


Town points for this. Calling everyone mafia is usually rather townie, because mafia tends to want to make friends rather than enemies, and calling everyone mafia is a good way to make enemies.

***

Actually I'm just stopping here.

I read his case on me, and it is essentially correct. It just doesn't mean I was mafia (he was 100% correct that I wrote that post because I wanted to contribute despite being somewhat behind, I just wanted to do it to help, not to look like I was helping. Like I wanted to throw some ideas out there). Like I'm literally gonna give him a townread for writing a wrong case on me.

He has a ton of post that look sort of town actually, so despite most of the posts I wrote above I'm just gonna assume GB is town.

Here's a few examples of posts I saw while skimming his filter that oculd be from town.

Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 03:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Give me
ONE REASON
For why I'm mafia.
ONE REASON.


Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 03:18 GlowingBear wrote:
Stop this stupidity


Also I think I got from his filter that he wanted to kill sicklucker for the claim. I think that's actually a fairly town move because mafia would most likely not want to push an un-ccd cop even if that cop is being a bit of a dick with it.

Idk, too much of GB's filter feels sort of unforced, although there are some bad spots in there too. I'm not 100% certain on it, but I think it's enough to give him a pass. He changes his mind a lot, calls a lot of people mafia, seems not worried about his own look at all, doesn't try to make friends etc etc.

Imma not lynch GB.



Like he brings up a lot of points, comes across one thing that he thinks is townie (I want to lynch half the playerlist) then stops there and makes his conclusion. So if Palmar is scum I suspect that you're town. If Palmar is Town and simply being bad, then this reason disappears.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 11 2015 16:58 GMT
#7191
On January 12 2015 01:56 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 01:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 01:50 Damdred wrote:
Nobody in the game is universally town read? Besides dp I think.

I think what you said is untrue

Me, SL, DP and Kelsier are townread by just about everyone that matters.


Not sure about that. SL is scrum read by at least one person. Kel isn't consensus and neither are you atm even viv has second feelings about you at points

I did say everyone that matters.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 11 2015 17:00 GMT
#7192
Yeah whatever if people would of listened to me super would of died a day sooner.

So who are these people again?
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 17:01 GMT
#7193
Doesn't it feel like palmar was skimming through my filter, trying to discover my alignment and that when he reached a conclusion, he stopped filter diving, which looks townie?

Like, I don't expect mafia to do such thing, although it's possible. So you think that this "stream of thought", in which he flips 180, is also fabricated?
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 17:03 GMT
#7194
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?
I'm adorable.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 11 2015 17:04 GMT
#7195
On January 12 2015 02:00 Damdred wrote:
Yeah whatever if people would of listened to me super would of died a day sooner.

So who are these people again?

Well, there's only one person that truly matters in this game. I think you know who it is.

Also I lead the Super lynch on D2 initially.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 11 2015 17:06 GMT
#7196
On January 12 2015 02:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Doesn't it feel like palmar was skimming through my filter, trying to discover my alignment and that when he reached a conclusion, he stopped filter diving, which looks townie?

Like, I don't expect mafia to do such thing, although it's possible. So you think that this "stream of thought", in which he flips 180, is also fabricated?

It felt like he had a forced change of heart based on a trivial post. Presuming he's scum I suspect he tried to scumread you at first but didn't feel like putting in the time and ended up with a townread that was poorly explained.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 11 2015 17:06 GMT
#7197
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?


I'm not sure what I think about it. I doubt either wagon is pure town or pure scrum though
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 11 2015 17:09 GMT
#7198
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?

This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 17:12 GMT
#7199
On January 12 2015 02:06 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?


I'm not sure what I think about it. I doubt either wagon is pure town or pure scrum though


So you have to admit mafia preferred Superbia's death. Which means Vivax is more likely to be scum because he wasted his vote too, and that you certainly have at least 1 mafia on Superbia's wagon and that there is a possibility that ritoky's wagon was pure town.
I'm adorable.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 11 2015 17:12 GMT
#7200
I'm not going to sit here and argue with you. But I was the one screaming and begging for super to be lynched.

Anyway
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