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On January 12 2015 01:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Geript posted something about suspecting GB of having too much info too, but reading back it was related to himself being town and Vivax being scum. Given I don't think Vivax is scum that actually weakens the point a little.
Then again GB's reasoning for voting Vivax is pretty bad. His main reasoning was because "Koshi was obvious town".
Oh good someone else picked up on it also.
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On January 12 2015 04:53 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nope. Read my filter (like this and last page probably) for more details :D
Found it, looks fine.
I'm curious what makes you scumread Kelsier. He was the first name you mentioned with "scum is somewhere in here" yet you haven't really mentioned him since.
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On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.
Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum? This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell
Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans.
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On January 12 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.
Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum? This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans.
Can you explain to me what happened then?
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On January 12 2015 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.
Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum? This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans. Can you explain to me what happened then?
The most simple explanation is that scum didn't care because they were both obvscum.
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On January 12 2015 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.
Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum? This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans. Can you explain to me what happened then?
Scum wanted Ritoky to die over Super but couldn't get it done.
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On January 12 2015 05:07 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.
Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum? This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans. Can you explain to me what happened then? Scum wanted Ritoky to die over Super but couldn't get it done.
Wouldn't Super vote Ritoky and have Ritoky selfvote at the end if this was what they wanted?
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On January 12 2015 05:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 05:07 DarthPunk wrote:On January 12 2015 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case. Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans. Can you explain to me what happened then? Scum wanted Ritoky to die over Super but couldn't get it done. Wouldn't Super vote Ritoky and have Ritoky selfvote at the end if this was what they wanted?
A self vote is too obvious, cmon
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On January 12 2015 05:10 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 05:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 05:07 DarthPunk wrote:On January 12 2015 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:
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Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan. Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans. Can you explain to me what happened then? Scum wanted Ritoky to die over Super but couldn't get it done. Wouldn't Super vote Ritoky and have Ritoky selfvote at the end if this was what they wanted? A self vote is too obvious, cmon
Oh right that would look pretty bad yeah. If they really wanted Ritoky dead though at the very least Superbia would be voting him.
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On January 12 2015 05:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 05:10 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 05:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 05:07 DarthPunk wrote:On January 12 2015 05:05 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 05:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:59 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that? What difference does it make to what I'm saying? Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't? Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that. In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch. Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell Ritoky was one vote away from dying himself. If scum truly wanted Ritoky to live over Superbia then Ritoky would've voted Superbia to avoid any town throwing a wrench in their plans. Can you explain to me what happened then? Scum wanted Ritoky to die over Super but couldn't get it done. Wouldn't Super vote Ritoky and have Ritoky selfvote at the end if this was what they wanted? A self vote is too obvious, cmon Oh right that would look pretty bad yeah. If they really wanted Ritoky dead though at the very least Superbia would be voting him.
This is exactly what I'm saying o.o
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DP: so you believe palmar and marv are both mafia together?
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On January 12 2015 05:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 04:53 Lazermonkey wrote:
Nope. Read my filter (like this and last page probably) for more details :D Found it, looks fine. I'm curious what makes you scumread Kelsier. He was the first name you mentioned with "scum is somewhere in here" yet you haven't really mentioned him since.
Yhea, I skimmed through his filter yesterday actually. I was kinda lazy though so I didn't post anything about it.
So Kelsier was actually one of first guys to list superbia as possible scum. This is obviously nice from a town PoV. But he didn't really push him at all untill D3.
He does barely mention ritoky untill D3 also.
This does make him look quite suspicious I'd say. But I feel that I really need to read him more carefully to be able to make a full judgement. He was also the first person to vote superbia. Lynching him now is probably not optimal but if nothing changes we definately need to consider lynching him.
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Also, DP: what do you think of chez?
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GB why didn't Palomar make your list I thought you town read him
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On January 12 2015 05:01 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 04:57 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 10 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:On January 10 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote:
A few questions GB
Who are the other mafia on superbia besides lazer?
Also the theory rests on that rit is the framer. What if he's not what does that change? It makes lazermonkey town. Ritoky must be lynched today anyway, there is no motive for Superbia to waste his vote if ritoky was town. GB, what do you think about this now that ritoky did not flip framer? This was before I thought about the scenario where mafia didn't really believed Robik was cop and was trying to guarantee ritoky's claim on the next day. So, you're still scum to my eyes.
waitwat? Do you REALLY believe this? I mean, alot of people was unsure about who was cop between Robik and ritoky but scum knew that ritoky was scum, so they shouldn't have been unsure at all.
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I'll be gone pretty soon, if anyone got anyone got any quick questions to me, go ahead!
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On January 12 2015 05:34 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2015 05:01 GlowingBear wrote:On January 12 2015 04:57 Lazermonkey wrote:On January 10 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:On January 10 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote:
A few questions GB
Who are the other mafia on superbia besides lazer?
Also the theory rests on that rit is the framer. What if he's not what does that change? It makes lazermonkey town. Ritoky must be lynched today anyway, there is no motive for Superbia to waste his vote if ritoky was town. GB, what do you think about this now that ritoky did not flip framer? This was before I thought about the scenario where mafia didn't really believed Robik was cop and was trying to guarantee ritoky's claim on the next day. So, you're still scum to my eyes. waitwat? Do you REALLY believe this? I mean, alot of people was unsure about who was cop between Robik and ritoky but scum knew that ritoky was scum, so they shouldn't have been unsure at all.
Kelsier was hinting he was the cop, so was SL.
The fact that SL didn't die night2, btw, is odd
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Wow this game is so fucking hard
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Need to look into Artanis tomorrow I think. He pushed superbia hard D2 which is nice but he ended up on geript. Had voted superbia instead we would've killed superbia D2 and saved geript.
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Did SL give fake checks night2? This could be revealing.
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EPT
