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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 17:13 GMT
#7201
On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?

This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case.


Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan.
I'm adorable.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 11 2015 17:14 GMT
#7202
On January 12 2015 02:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 02:06 Damdred wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?


I'm not sure what I think about it. I doubt either wagon is pure town or pure scrum though


So you have to admit mafia preferred Superbia's death. Which means Vivax is more likely to be scum because he wasted his vote too, and that you certainly have at least 1 mafia on Superbia's wagon and that there is a possibility that ritoky's wagon was pure town.


Um I'm not saying that at all. Vivax is town he did to much work when nobody else was, opposite of his mafia game.

I can't know what mafia wanted at that lynch. I just know we killed two mafia in a row.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 11 2015 17:17 GMT
#7203
On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?

This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case.


Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan.

Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 11 2015 19:11 GMT
#7204
Hi.

I've been busy all day today. Will be able to post for about 2 hours now.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 11 2015 19:17 GMT
#7205
On January 11 2015 12:11 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2015 12:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 11 2015 11:55 Damdred wrote:
On January 11 2015 11:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Damdred:
On January 11 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 10 2015 04:32 Lazermonkey wrote:
@Artanis, do you mind expand on why my vote felt forced?

Because the entire day you kept edging closer and closer to a Superbia lynch despite not wanting to initially whilst keeping a bigger suspect all the while.

I asked both Kel and Damdred why but I think the failed to answer in a statisfying way.

You could say that during D1 your focus on Chyz which consisted only of rehashed arguments of people already made (such as my argument about him not doing anything useful after stating his problem with the Eden/Dr.H argument) made you a bit of a hypocrite in that regard, but I don't consider it a strong point unless Damdred/Kelsier can expand on it.

How would a townie act in my position? There were no other counterwagon but super and I'd rather kill someone who I defended and who my scum read voted for than a uncontested cop.

Of course it's understandable, but yet the way you got there feels scummy to me.

pls respond


LM entered the thread I believe with his accusations on chyz that sheeped what the rest of the thread had said and threw his vote down instantly, it didn't seem t be a pressure vote it seemed to be an actual vote that had intentin to kill. He never tried to really figure out alignments at that point in the game which was just hours into the game at that point I believe. He never asked questions to the person being scum read at that point just straight voted.

Can you point out to me in the vote thread when LM voted for Chyz exactly?

BH once said to me that a towny is scared to throw his vote around quickly and often in a serious fashion because townies on a whole are scared of getting it wrong and would rather have more understanding. (paraphrase obiously).

I think I need to have a talk with BH if this is actually what he believes. Votes are the best way to pressure people. Has every vote you've made this game been with the intention of killing that person and only that?


yea it wasn't in the vote thread it seems his first vote in the vote thread was for geript. His first post indicated a vote on chy but wasn't in the vote thread would have to ask lazer if it was pressure or if he was unaware of the vote thread.

Just so that you know, I didn't know the vote thread existed before when I posted that.

But like Artanis said, I don't think it matters that much.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 19:20 GMT
#7206
On January 08 2015 14:50 liancourt wrote:
I Count this vote sons


ritoky (5): sicklucker, marvellosity, sicklucker, vivax, glowingbear, palmar, lazermonkey, vivax, Marvellosity, GlowingBear, IAmRobik, Palmar, Lazermonkey
vivax (0): sicklucker, Chezinu, GlowingBear, Ritoky
marvellosity (): Palmar
Lazermonkey (): KelsierSC, vivax
Superbia (6): KelsierSC, Artanis[Xp], Chezinu, sicklucker, Damdred, Lazermonkey
sicklucker (): GlowingBear, vivax, vivax
glowingbear (): IAmRobik
Palmar (): IAmRobik, GlowingBear
Damdred (): Palmar, lazermonkey
[b]IAmRobik[b] (2): ritoky, Superbia

Superbia is lynched.


I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 19:23 GMT
#7207
On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?

This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case.


Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan.

Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that?


What difference does it make to what I'm saying?
I'm adorable.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 11 2015 19:28 GMT
#7208
GB, who are your town reads at this point? Like on a scale from: "pretty sure this guy is town" to "not very sure this guy is town.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 19:41 GMT
#7209
Pretty sure this guy is town:
(blank)
Not very sure these guys are town, in order to less sure:
DP
Sicklucker
Vivax
Damdred
I'm adorable.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 11 2015 19:42 GMT
#7210
Explain every one of those GB, that's a crazy list
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 11 2015 19:46 GMT
#7211
On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?

This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case.


Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan.

Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that?


What difference does it make to what I'm saying?

Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 11 2015 19:50 GMT
#7212
Too many things about GB are pointing towards GB being scum atm I feel. There is no "SUPER SCUM MOVE" he has done but the at this point of the game I would expect scum to:

- not pushing superbia hard D1 and D2 (GB did that)

- defend superbia (GB did that)

- vote ritoky over superbia (GB did that)

- Not having alot of strong town reads right now (GB doesn't have that)

This coupled with the fact that there aren't even that many people that could potentially be scum at this point (PoE basically) makes it very very likely that GB is scum.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 11 2015 19:51 GMT
#7213
EBWOP: GB DIDN'T push superbia hard D1 and D2 : P
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 11 2015 19:52 GMT
#7214
Lazer do you still read Damdred as scum?
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 11 2015 19:53 GMT
#7215
Nope. Read my filter (like this and last page probably) for more details :D
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
January 11 2015 19:57 GMT
#7216
On January 10 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote:
A few questions GB

Who are the other mafia on superbia besides lazer?

Also the theory rests on that rit is the framer. What if he's not what does that change?


It makes lazermonkey town.

Ritoky must be lynched today anyway, there is no motive for Superbia to waste his vote if ritoky was town.

GB, what do you think about this now that ritoky did not flip framer?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
January 11 2015 19:59 GMT
#7217
On January 12 2015 00:40 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 00:34 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why your obvious reaction was that they didn't think Rob was cop? Looked like a sac play to me


I've said it before, but again

Scum didn't hammer ritoky when they could. I thought it was because he was the framer, but he flipped goon. It means that they would try to sustain ritoky's copclaim. It doesn't make sense to kill the real cop. Therefore, my conclusion is that they shot Robik expecting he would flip VT so ritoky could follow on with his claim


Or all the scum were already voting rikoty.

Your theory stinks of extra information.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 19:59 GMT
#7218
On January 12 2015 04:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 04:23 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:13 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 02:03 GlowingBear wrote:
Damdred, if you think mafia preferred ritoky's death, you have to admit that Superbia's wagon was pure town.

Do you think all the ritoky voters are scum?

This is terrible reasoning. If scum want something it doesn't mean they all pile upon that objective. The game would be quite easy if that were the case.


Superbia wasting his vote is extremely peculiar, Artanis. It indicates a plan.

Ritoky wasted his vote too. Why are you conveniently forgetting that?


What difference does it make to what I'm saying?

Because for some reason Superbia wasting a vote implies a plan to you but Ritoky doing the same doesn't?


Superbia's survivability depended on him voting ritoky, something he didn't. Ritoky's survivability didn't depend on that.

In any way, this also reinforces the theory that mafia had left their votes outside the wagons in case townies changed from Superbia to ritoky, so they could still guarantee Superbia's lynch.

Lazermonkey, I can't explain that list because I'm completely confused with this game, if you couldn't already tell
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 20:00 GMT
#7219
On January 12 2015 04:59 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2015 00:40 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 12 2015 00:34 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure why your obvious reaction was that they didn't think Rob was cop? Looked like a sac play to me


I've said it before, but again

Scum didn't hammer ritoky when they could. I thought it was because he was the framer, but he flipped goon. It means that they would try to sustain ritoky's copclaim. It doesn't make sense to kill the real cop. Therefore, my conclusion is that they shot Robik expecting he would flip VT so ritoky could follow on with his claim


Or all the scum were already voting rikoty.

Your theory stinks of extra information.


I've answered that too. The exact same sentence you've made now. Lol.
I'm adorable.
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 11 2015 20:01 GMT
#7220
On January 12 2015 04:57 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2015 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 10 2015 10:06 Damdred wrote:
A few questions GB

Who are the other mafia on superbia besides lazer?

Also the theory rests on that rit is the framer. What if he's not what does that change?


It makes lazermonkey town.

Ritoky must be lynched today anyway, there is no motive for Superbia to waste his vote if ritoky was town.

GB, what do you think about this now that ritoky did not flip framer?


This was before I thought about the scenario where mafia didn't really believed Robik was cop and was trying to guarantee ritoky's claim on the next day.

So, you're still scum to my eyes.
I'm adorable.
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