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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 08 2015 13:09 GMT
#6321
On January 08 2015 22:08 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 21:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 08 2015 21:44 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2015 21:26 GlowingBear wrote:
DP is town probably dying tonight lol


What's your read on marv.


Town after today.


Then why don't you think he's dying tonight, or why don't you wonder why he's alive after 2 nights.


Because extreme WIFOM lol
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 08 2015 13:10 GMT
#6322
On January 08 2015 22:08 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 21:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 08 2015 21:44 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2015 21:26 GlowingBear wrote:
DP is town probably dying tonight lol


What's your read on marv.


Town after today.


Then why don't you think he's dying tonight, or why don't you wonder why he's alive after 2 nights.

I'm kinda flattered with your obsession with me.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 08 2015 13:11 GMT
#6323
On January 08 2015 21:45 Palmar wrote:
yeah DP is probably town, if for nothing else than he actually read some of my filter, called me scum, got some explanations and read some more then changed his mind. Also DrH had reasons to be townread since back on day 1.

So yes, I'm putting him firmly in the townpile.


Palmar I'm wondering. You were into a seemingly zero fucks given attitude D1 and D2, posting things that looked like weird trap plays. Now that basically scum has been lynched and some people start pointing to you, and during D3, you went into serious mode posting lists and actually talking in a way that makes everybody understands you.

What changed during D3 for you to switch into that mode, except that town was heading for a scum lynch?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22102 Posts
January 08 2015 13:15 GMT
#6324
On January 08 2015 22:10 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 22:08 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2015 21:54 GlowingBear wrote:
On January 08 2015 21:44 Vivax wrote:
On January 08 2015 21:26 GlowingBear wrote:
DP is town probably dying tonight lol


What's your read on marv.


Town after today.


Then why don't you think he's dying tonight, or why don't you wonder why he's alive after 2 nights.

I'm kinda flattered with your obsession with me.


Sorry marv I'm not gay, but we can have a bromance if you like.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 08 2015 13:42 GMT
#6325
On January 08 2015 22:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 21:45 Palmar wrote:
yeah DP is probably town, if for nothing else than he actually read some of my filter, called me scum, got some explanations and read some more then changed his mind. Also DrH had reasons to be townread since back on day 1.

So yes, I'm putting him firmly in the townpile.


Palmar I'm wondering. You were into a seemingly zero fucks given attitude D1 and D2, posting things that looked like weird trap plays. Now that basically scum has been lynched and some people start pointing to you, and during D3, you went into serious mode posting lists and actually talking in a way that makes everybody understands you.

What changed during D3 for you to switch into that mode, except that town was heading for a scum lynch?

Less players left in the game, felt like starting to read filters wouldn't be as much of a giant barrier to participating.

And I think I was fairly successful. I know I didn't end up really reading superbia or ritoky as I mentioned doing but the cop claim came out and people were being dumb so I felt like I had to intervene.

On day 2 I just wanted to lynch geript. I'm still sort of okay with lynching geript. Imma call him bad postgame for getting lynched and blame it all on him.

Like I felt that I did work on day 1, that then got stalled by the voteswitch on to batsnacks, and I basically just had to wait until I reaped the reward from that work (lynching geript). Sure I was wrong, but that's not the important part. After seeing I was wrong I basically walked away for a bit because it's time to rethink.

Whatever I posted on day 2 was mostly just opportunistic stuff. pot shots at marv etc, some random thoughts.

Computer says mafia
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 08 2015 13:42 GMT
#6326
DP...don't worry about trying too hard as you are confirmed town
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 08 2015 13:43 GMT
#6327
Vivax, I'll explain why you look better later, but it had to do with reading superbias filter
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
January 08 2015 13:50 GMT
#6328
Marv is town, Vivax. I've just realised that.
He isn't dying tonight because mafia wants to WIFOM the shit out of him. They want you to exactly think that he is scum because he is still alive. That's why he won't die tonight, and DP will
I'm adorable.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 08 2015 13:51 GMT
#6329
On January 08 2015 22:43 IAmRobik wrote:
Vivax, I'll explain why you look better later, but it had to do with reading superbias filter

I skimmed super's filter earlier and i don't think i got that out of it, interested to hear what you found
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 08 2015 13:52 GMT
#6330
mafia are retards if they think they can WIFOM a lynch in me, i'm on a 40 game unlynched streak as town.

i mean... mafia should definitely try that.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
January 08 2015 14:30 GMT
#6331
On January 08 2015 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Marv is town, Vivax. I've just realised that.
He isn't dying tonight because mafia wants to WIFOM the shit out of him. They want you to exactly think that he is scum because he is still alive. That's why he won't die tonight, and DP will

I would kinda expect marv to die if he's town. But I'm not gonna use that against him tomorrow because well, saying it and then trying to call him scum when it doesn't happen is dumb.

But yes, I am a potential mislynch for mafia at this point in the game. If marv is town, mafia knows he won't get lynched tomorrow, and better than anyone else in the game, he'll be able to clear me.

So keeping a town-marv alive potentially clears two people.
Computer says mafia
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 08 2015 14:40 GMT
#6332
On January 05 2015 08:54 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2015 08:49 Damdred wrote:
Can we please lynch super, I have a real feeling this is scrum. Please trust my gut this isn't town Super, totally different tone and posting.


Elaboration would be grand.


On January 05 2015 13:46 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2015 13:44 Damdred wrote:
Vivax would you switch to super? I don't want to yrll lots but I still think this is a solid lynch


Oh hey. Can you sum up your case on me in 0 posts again? Thanks.



I think there was stuff with ritoky that also makes damdred look good, but I don't remember all of it. Let me see if I can't find it.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 08 2015 14:41 GMT
#6333
am I the only one who expects mafia to shoot for the cop? heh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 08 2015 14:44 GMT
#6334
On January 04 2015 09:03 ritoky wrote:
wow this is actually a read i really like.

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On January 04 2015 05:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm actually super cool with killing Vivax atm. But since everyone else is as well, and there is no point in town afk for 48 hours and agree how scummy we think Vivax is, we might as well talk about someone else. Like Damdred.

Damdred is not chasing scum. He is answering everyone very politely when they ask him questions and he is always really fast to answer suspicion on him. This is not necessarily bad, both town and scum wants to survive and be polite. But when that is ALL you do then there is something seriously wrong.

Reading the last two pages of filter he has three suspects, me, SL and DH. But none of us are even close to get lynched atm. So, why would you ever prioritizing answer questions instead of pushing your scum reads?

So what does Damdred think of the other relavant stuff? Like the guy who is about to get lynched, Vivax? Well, noone knows. While Damdred does mention Vivax in some contexts, the only time he even comes remotely close to taking any stance on Vivax is in this post

On January 02 2015 11:35 Damdred wrote:
I'm sorry for my absence, had parents and work today so got sucked away.

Quick thought list

I do not think i would lynch Chy today yea his going away post was kind of meh but he put the effort in to at least do it and his frustration really seems like its honest, and the tunnel on him this game is way different then the game he is linked to I think. Its way more concentrated here and I don't think he really can do much when hes being called scum for almost half the posts every page.

Koshi really brought up something good about vivax I think but i'm not sure that i like how geript is marching to his death here either.

Not too impressive imo.

BONUS FACT : Vivax never takes a stance on Damdred. Take that for what its worth but I think its very likely that we have both Vivax and Damdred as scum!


especially when you look at a post like this:

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
On January 04 2015 08:18 ritoky wrote:
marv is still mafia too, his reads are really lazy and stale.

still think it's:
SL
marv
vivax

vivax because that post by koshi on sequencing is really good, altho when i looked in the vote thread i had some hesitations. maybe i will uncover more as i catch up


Why are you bein so lazy ritoky? You did no vote analysis on what happened yesterday and no thought process sabout whats going on now? You said SL is mafia but you have vivax down but you vote SL over vivax who is the vote leader? Shouldn't you be happy with whats going on?

What are you doing?


he doesn't seem really all that indignant or perturbed in terms of tone. it is just too calm, like he is completely content.

that and damdred seems to be moving his scum reads to whomever is in season rather than holding to them. i remember him being more firm as town. he could be mafia too.


On January 04 2015 09:06 ritoky wrote:
i also notice that damdred makes a lot of people's scum lists as a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th scum; but never really gets pushed that much or voted on. hm, lazer might be onto something here.


On January 04 2015 09:30 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 09:07 Damdred wrote:
I'm not really getting ritokys read on me, people say i'm defensive ritoky says i'm completely content. I really smell bullshit honestly. The game marches forward I should take in all the evidence and re evaluate as I go along, Ritoky says i'm moving my reads to whoever is in season? But I think i've been pretty consistant with who i've went after so far.


Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:21 Damdred wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:17 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:16 Damdred wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:52 Lazermonkey wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:36 Damdred wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Soo, about the 3 "protagonists"

Eden - Attacked DH for his policy-post. While I agree with his points about policy-lynching, it felt wierd (as some others pointed out) that he called DHs post "stiff and akward timed" while still saying he was town and yet ends up saying DH is town. Not reading to much into this though, as I felt he explained himself well later on regarding the DH-post. His interactions with DH seems possible both from town and scum. He attacks Chyz which is nice though.

DH - Got discussion going early on, posted alot (even though some of it was pretty bad). Not lynching today.

rik - tunneled the shit out of DH, didn't post much else. Tunneling is really non-alignment indicative. I'm null on him.


Your eden post has no real conclusion, are you reading them scum null or town? This read feels a bit fabricated to me

I'm not sure what to make of your DH read, what was so bad that he posted to you? Why would you not lynch someone today just because they posted a lot even if a lot of it was bad to you?

Rit got discussion going also the same as DH and posted a good bit but you don't give him the same pass? Why?

Overall this reads pretty fabricated and scummy to me

We are halfway in D1. The Eden and Rit reads are very inconclusive because they've said very little of value this far. DH got the discussion going more than Rit did (that is my impression at least). Compare their filters.


I won't argue that drh has a bigger filter than ritoky, because its obviously the truth. At the time of your reads you had their argument and drh pushing his scum read.

However I disagree that Eden and rit have said little of value a lot of discussion has happened around them so you should be able to take a stance. Hell your Eden read seems like a scum read without you saying that they are scum

The fact that people are talking about does not mean that you said anything of value. I kinda agree that ritoky said nothing of value.


I think I somewhat disagree, I think its valuable because of being able to figure out alignments. But that's not exactly my point.

The point is laz is giving drh a free pass for the day even though he says deh says a lot of bad things but its more of a null read. (reads like setting up a mislynch later)

The Eden read seems like a scum read without any real conclusions.

And the rit part is just null.

I just don't like where he's going and seems made up a bit


here's you being overly polite.

Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 02:39 Damdred wrote:
You put a good bit of work in but i'm just not sure if that makes him mafia necessarily.


abbreviated quote for space, here's it again with you commenting on drH's case.

i mean i am like 2 pages in with 5 examples i can pull of you being excessively polite when there's no cause. i like lazer's read. i don't think you're defensive in the slightest i think you're content. people reading you otherwise have a poor read.

your scum reads are not consistent at all. first and foremost here's the best i can make of your d1 scum reads:

lazer slight scum read altho you weren'tfully on the gas (but no vote). then no more all day. then shennanie on bats for bad reason.

your n1 scum reads:

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On January 03 2015 03:35 Damdred wrote:
SL I think would be the scum there especially since he ws the hammer vote I believe and even though he stated he wanted to hammer geript he didn't do it then sounded pretty smug after the flip.


outside of SL you bring back up your lazer read, suddenly after seeing drH as town all day the previous day you have a scum lean on him.

end of night phase:

Show nested quote +
On January 03 2015 13:52 Damdred wrote:
Sl I think is super suspect with how he's been acting and jumping back and forth.

robik idk he could be scum but more bullish for now.


your lazer read is neglected (only consistent read), robik has appeared out of thin air and SL is still scummy. drH is gone again.

todays reads:

Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 08:54 Damdred wrote:
I actually would rather lynch into super, lazer and ritoky now.


suddenly lazer is back, i have made an appearance, and super is here; but robik is gone.

I wouldn't call this consistent.

lazer/bats -> SL/lazer/drH -> SL/robik -> Lazer/super/ritoky

I would in fact call that quite seasonal.

Your only consistent read is lazer. Further it is almost like you're distinctively attempting to avoid reading what people call "tier 1 players". You don't give definitive stances in terms of scum reads on almost any major thing happening in the game. So either you think all of these people are town fighting in which case you're not doing much to stop it or you are positioning yourself to have no real definitive stance so you can fall on whatever side is best for you. So pardon me if I think that lazer has a couple good points and after i heeded koshi's advice to look at your filter I found my own question marks. (see what i did there with the over-politeness?)


On January 07 2015 06:25 ritoky wrote:
Robik's world based on this post:

Show nested quote +
On January 07 2015 00:50 IAmRobik wrote:
2; GlowingBear - lean scum
4; Artanis[XP] - lean town
5; Lazermonkey - lean heavy town
6; Marvellosity - step it up sson
9; TheChyz - unsure
10; Palmar - unsure
11; Damdred - unsure
13; sicklucker - lean town but unsure
14; Vivax - lean heavy scum
15; KelsierSC - lean town
16; ritoky - lean town
17; DoctorHelvetica - had the towniest town of any town d1 and is basically confirmed town even with the d2 drop off
20; Superbia - lean scum



I kount vot and stahp it


ritoky (1): Superbia
TheChyz (2): Vivax, TheChyz
geript (6): Palmar, Lazermonkey, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, batsnacks
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (3): Koshi, geript, Glowingbear
Batsnacks (7): Justanothertownie, Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[XP], Damdred, sicklucker, IAmRobik

Not Voting: folks

batsnacks is lynched.

until deadline.




I Count this vote sons


Vivax (3): IAmRobik, geript, ritoky
Superbia (4): Damdred, sicklucker, marvellosity, justanothertownie, (kelsiersc)
IAmRobik (1): Superbia
geript (6): Vivax, DoctorHelvetica, Lazermonkey, palmar, VisceraEyes, Artanis[XP]

Geript is lynched.
Deadline is in


reposting the votes with my town reads

blue = robik's town reads from the above post
red = robik's scum reads
Note: kelsier attempted to vote on superbia but failed to bold his post in the voting thread, hence why i added him in parenthesis.

Doing cursory analysis of your reads here robik, this is like super compelling evidence for you that damdred is mafia. Like there's 2 worlds.

World 1) You believe someone who RQ on day 1 when tunneled is mafia or palmar and marv are mafia together AND the day 1 lynch was 100% town

or

World 2) Damdred is mafia

So why are you unsure on damdred? Do you think palmar and marv could be together?




Maybe I'm wrong and damdred is the scum buddy he chose to bus this game? IDK. I really think that it looks better for damdred
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 08 2015 14:46 GMT
#6335
On January 08 2015 23:41 marvellosity wrote:
am I the only one who expects mafia to shoot for the cop? heh

So there are 3 scenarios.

1) Mafia shoots me
2) Mafia shoots marv (?)
3) Mafia shoots DP

I'd like to think that if mafia wasn't BM and if mafia played the game like it was intended to be played they would choose option 1 or 3, however I can see them avoiding 1 because of wifom, and avoiding 3 because they're bm assholes and choose to nk someone who isn't confirmed by both cops because that person just replaced in and doesn't have a grasp of the game.

HAVING SAID THAT: I think that DP started off very strongly, and mafia might still be inclined to nk DP. 1 and 3 are the only real plausible options for a real mafia team.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 08 2015 14:47 GMT
#6336
in a total vacuum i find it kinda hard to tell from those posts.

i think the best evidence for damdred being town from those posts is how ritoky only attacks Damdred (and really runs with it) once someone else had brought it up - very conveniently
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 08 2015 14:48 GMT
#6337
On January 05 2015 13:09 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2015 13:06 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 05 2015 13:04 Superbia wrote:
On January 05 2015 13:00 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 05 2015 12:57 Superbia wrote:
I don't know about either wagon at the moment.


explain why


I found geript to be scummy early on but now I just don't know anymore. He has said some decent things and his reads feel somewhat okay-ish. I also don't feel like the mafia-meta I had on him also is that relevant after checking one of his town-games. I also feel like there's literally no one supporting him, which makes it hard to see him as scum. I don't think scum busses this hard this fast. Especially on a vet. Literally feels like he's alone in the game.

Vivax I don't even have a read on. I checked his filter early on but kind of lost interest after seeing nothing standing out. I have read Koshi's case on him but meh.


ok if you had to pick one?


Vivax then, if I had to pick out of the two. He gave a read on me early on which sounded incredibly null and like he was ready to keep me available as a lynch option if necessary. Only based on that.

I think this was the post that made me reconsider on vivax

Plus, ritoky and super kinda sorta genuinely seem to want to lynch vivax...including yesterday. If you read ritoky's posts, it seems like he genuinely wouldn't mind lynching vivax. He obviously seems really reticent to do that w/r/t superbia
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 08 2015 14:49 GMT
#6338
On January 08 2015 23:47 marvellosity wrote:
in a total vacuum i find it kinda hard to tell from those posts.

i think the best evidence for damdred being town from those posts is how ritoky only attacks Damdred (and really runs with it) once someone else had brought it up - very conveniently

There is one post that makes damdred look bad though. Let me see if I can't find it. I kinda jumped passed it, and I'm not sure why, because it kinda made me reconsider...it's one where he talks about damdred and then votes vivax
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
January 08 2015 14:49 GMT
#6339
On January 05 2015 12:58 ritoky wrote:
on phone, only have like 5 minutes. apparently SL claimed cop since i last was able to read the thread. guess he is not the lynch today, evaluate claim later.

want to vote vivax, marv, maybe damdred. so for now: ##vote: vivax

This one.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 08 2015 14:51 GMT
#6340
On January 08 2015 23:48 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2015 13:09 Superbia wrote:
On January 05 2015 13:06 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 05 2015 13:04 Superbia wrote:
On January 05 2015 13:00 KelsierSC wrote:
On January 05 2015 12:57 Superbia wrote:
I don't know about either wagon at the moment.


explain why


I found geript to be scummy early on but now I just don't know anymore. He has said some decent things and his reads feel somewhat okay-ish. I also don't feel like the mafia-meta I had on him also is that relevant after checking one of his town-games. I also feel like there's literally no one supporting him, which makes it hard to see him as scum. I don't think scum busses this hard this fast. Especially on a vet. Literally feels like he's alone in the game.

Vivax I don't even have a read on. I checked his filter early on but kind of lost interest after seeing nothing standing out. I have read Koshi's case on him but meh.


ok if you had to pick one?


Vivax then, if I had to pick out of the two. He gave a read on me early on which sounded incredibly null and like he was ready to keep me available as a lynch option if necessary. Only based on that.

I think this was the post that made me reconsider on vivax

Plus, ritoky and super kinda sorta genuinely seem to want to lynch vivax...including yesterday. If you read ritoky's posts, it seems like he genuinely wouldn't mind lynching vivax. He obviously seems really reticent to do that w/r/t superbia

yeah i saw that post but i didn't have the same reaction. Super's filter is actually remarkably void of Vivax discussion for a long time, and that post there is pretty non-committal
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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